The Shock Start
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2018
- Taken from a 2018 Foundation Course.
The essence of the C2 system/method/concept is to fully identify and develop the most essential and fundamental (core) elements of the various processes used within a fight (combatives)...
With this in mind, the focus is always going to be on depth...not breadth - and rather than seek to add more and more 'variety' as as some prefer with a 'tourist' mentality - everything revolves around increasing performance within proven skillsets, in the manner of an 'athlete' instead.
Amateurs seek to be interested...professionals seek results...
It is often said that there is nothing new...and as far as making the human body work this is very accurate - but there is immense scope for innovation and progress with regards to improving training methodology.
Some feel that turning a training drill into an amateur-dramatics production is being ahead of the curve...when in reality this actually impacts upon the 'training' value instead, as exciting as it may seem to be.
Simple, but profound, additions to drills is more in keeping with the C2 model, that increase training value by means of addressing relevant issues - in his case working from a decidedly sub-optimal start-state - using easily repeatable means that have a quick set-up and reset, and are logistically 'lite' in execution.
The 'Shock Start' from a passive unprepared position fills that 'training void' of having methods that are destined to be utilised spontaneously with no preparation, for real...but which are typically drilled and practised with pre-knowledge and preparation in training...
"It so simple it took me 20 years to come up with it"
Aint that the fuckng truth about everythin.
I've never seen a drill like this ! To go from being shocked to being able to react quickly is how we all should be training for real self defense
I don't engage too much in the comments section of RUclips clips - mine or otherwise - since I find it to be a lousy medium...and I've got a whole forum, and a Facebook group, solely designed for Q&A stuff...
This said...let's clear something up...
Anybody ever heard of something called 'banter' at all?
This clip has already had a couple of comments that have drawn attention to something 'harsh' I jokingly say to the person aiding me in the demo of the shock start...
FFS. Triggered much?
A few points...
I'm not a yoga teacher...the people in the clip are all adults...and veterans of real hands-on incidents...we're in that room training for four days solid...sweating, fighting all out, swearing, laughing and joking inbetween...then having drinks afterwards.
If all anyone is taking from this clip...is me acting 'hard' or 'bullying' someone...well...
Once again...FFS.
Eh, they're there to learn how to handle conflict and aggression, a little adrenaline dump for the guy probably helped him out. Also, you might have been winding him up a bit, but you're factually correct: you could cook and eat that guy in nothing flat.
You're a great instructor. Keep doing you.
Mick Coup not on face book pal , what's the link to the forum providing it's not on Facebook . enjoying the videos by the way
Mick Coup I wish I was trained more for realism in my first Kung fu school. You won't always be ready for the threat/instigation of violence-so what this video traces is massively valid. But you know that already, Mick;) keep em coming!
Mick Coup for 'traces' read 'teaches'
I also have been playing around with this exact drill! I also talk to the person to simulate the predator that tries to verbally disarm you before attacking. It really helped to put a lot of "I would do this" debate to end!
that pause, BOTH times, was quite the thing to see. Interesting. Thanks.
You have to love this. There's 20 years of thinking about it and devising a drill that illuminates just how ill prepared most of us are [me included], and it's right here on RUclips. Yet I still wonder how many of us will fail to look, listen, learn and adopt it?
Me? Next class boys, next class. IMHO the real 'tradition' of martial arts is that they are constantly changing and always looking to give us that edge that just might see us get home safe and sound.
My god. The first time I see some real, actually useful, street-worth defense training. I wish I could have such training myself.
This guy's the truth! Channel funker tactical is also great. Practical.
@@psychologicalsigma9917 acutely this is the same concept as Krav maga etc. Etc. But if someone punched the shit out of you ,their is no recovery.
Moto Marios ▪ Totally UNrealistic using punching mitts. I'm NOT going to be hitting a mitt in a street fight. How you train is what pops out of you when the proverbial crap hits the fan.
@@glennrobinson7193 People shoot papertargets - so the method must be: "From unrealistic to realistic". How do YOU train for punching?
(No disrespect intended in anyway)
@@TPSTraining I'll be punching a soft target on a soft body - the solar plexus - NOT a hard target like around head area with possibility I come out worse (break a bone in my hand if e.g. if I hit his teeth). Therefore I train solo on an old bed mattress propped up vertically on the wall.
keeping the students safe by teaching them how can it be done by themselves is correct, glad to see it thought in such a weenie era when psychology does not even compute
Genius....so simple, just genius. Thank you for posting this.
Great video. To see that pause... wow.... this is probably why the first striker often wins the fight. The defender is in shock trying to consciously register what’s going on “even though” he knows he’s in a fight. Fascinating!
I'm glad I saw this. The philosophy behind what's going on here applies to every fight I've ever been in. They have all started instantly and I was reacting to the situation, rather poorly too. I've been down on my back in full mount position from sucker punches and slipping on the dirt trying to get my balance. I had to subscribe after seeing this. I'll watch more videos and hopefully learn something that will help me react to how fights really play out.
Another option...to sucker punch u yet again with another surprise...stay out of fights to begin with. It's the easiest option of all. Completely eliminates the possibility of severe injury or death. People go entire lifetimes doing this.
Interesting - I liked the psychology behind this.
Better tell my missus not to do that when I'm watching telly.
Nice this is great training. Much like the fear management of SPEAR. I like it.
One of my students ask me what to do if someone snuck up on you and tried to hit you with a club in the back of the head I said that's a very tuff situation, but started to give her my best case scenario she stops me and says what if its a long 2x4 and you cant reach them I said you would some how have to close the distance she stopped me again and said but what if you didn't hear them coming so I said I would get hit in the head by a 2x4. Some people just want to hear something magical, and the scary thing is she would have believed anything I said. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's not just fake instructors, but the public that need to see video's like this, and see what is real and how to train correctly. Thanks for all your video's.
This is spot on its no good knowing how to throw a punch unless you can get through the fear barrier that a real fight can bring, fear can disarm your weaponry, this is a very good drill to tame fear and apprehension and increase reaction time.
This is a beautiful drill.
I love this concept of training.
This is one of the most useful drills i can think of... Thanks for this, Mick...
I am using this drilling format with great success, not only with others, but with myself. It definitely makes things more real. Thanks.
I like the reasoning behind this drill.
Great idea mick !! That's reality or rather the actual clash with reality
Holy shit man this drill opened my eyes!!! This is helping me to understand next level thinking about training. New sub.
Excellent Mick !
I just found this channel. I find it extremely interesting.
Very very good! Respect.
This is just awesome.
Damn, great stuff. An interview with you on martial arts brought me here and i think I'll stay^^
Shit is great and definitely a part that you dont wanna miss because emotions and awareness distortions are also parts in a combative situation. Gonna try this out one day!
Really nice! Thank you for sharing. Subbed.
I went on a selfdefense course once, explosive defense i believe it was called. we had a drill where one would relax, close their eyes, and get hit in the head, then we are going full out with open hands just hitting away, no blocking, no techniques. Just full out war.Best class ever!
such an open and honest instructor. getting into martial arts or just any combative sport to get fit and to feel secure (i live in a dangerous area ans want to basically fuck someone up if push comes to shove). loved your interview too. keep the videos going
Subscribed! Thanks for sharing mate.
Great training exercise, thank you for sharing!
there won't be any bullshito with Mick ......top class
Good stuff!!!
Good shit!!
Very interesting! Subscribed!
6:00 was an eye opener! The pause after the attack... Yeah!
Many see my path to victory yet none know why I am victorious.
I'm not a pro fighter by any means, I'd consider myself low level "practically/physically" but "martially knowledgeable" (just a case of getting my body to match what I "know", though I've done a fair bit training in the past). If it came to fighting for real, I'd be just able to handle an untrained person who attacked me, but beyond that I will fully admit I'd be most likely floored by someone more trained or experianced, but regardless this is a great video, I recognise the great value in this exercise, training the mind and it's habitual reaction to the unexpected encounter (which is most real encounters).
When I learned an authentic tradtional Chinese MA (from a guy who was no BS) we used to do this exercise, but from different angles every time. The attacker for the shock start would quietly pick a random position up close, either to the side, low down, in front, etc and then do it and the person with the eyes closed would have to respond akin to what was shown here, but with any skill possible they had learned. It's good to see another place doing this, as the school I did that with was the only MA school I ever came across who did this exercise at the time.
I don't study CMA anymore for personal reasons, and I'm more into HEMA stuff now, but all these universal truths of real combat for a life & death/street context situation still apply.
Great video
I'm getting to be an old fart now with a background in Judo, Kenpo, Muay Thai and MMA. BUT!!....I learned more in my 2 principle occupations, corrections officer and ED nurse, than I did in all my years in the arts. Look at the security camera videos, read the FBI crime reporting stats. Violence is never what you think. It will be at a time not of your choosing, probably involve weapons and multiple attackers. You have got to recognize and respond FAST. There will be no time outs. I have seen and fought with more people altered due to drugs or mental illness in the ED than I can remember. They are unpredictable and they don't register pain. The poor slob in the local dojo will get killed. I really appreciate Mick's training. He's spot on. I would suggest to anyone living here in the U.S. to train seriously with firearms too as every asshole and his brother has one but only a few know what they're doing. Keep up the good work Mick!
Hx. ED nurse and prison officer? me too, I have never met anyone else who took that path.
Got to see people at their worst, eh? Must be a character fault on our part. Cheers!
They dont register eye gauge or a good punch to the throat???
There was a case, where a drunk (no other drugs) guy had to be shot a dozen times before he stopped his attack. Drugs can be even worse in that regard. You can also read about a guy called Yogendra Singh Yadav. He was shot by military weapons multiple times in his groin and shoulder. That didn't stop him from climbing some 60 feet to and capturing two bunkers while killing four Pakistani soldiers in the first one and a couple more in the second one. He was shot 14 times and survived. That is why some experts recommend to use mechanics based techniques instead of pain compliance. Mechanics works every time. Well.. a contortionist might screw you over on that one... :)
i wish i had a Mick Coup class in my town!
LOVE IT
I love ur no bullshit style...YOU KEEP DOING UR THANG CUZ
makes perfect sense
That is a great drill 😀
My father always told me: Avoid fighting if you can, but if you are sure there's going to be a fight, never let your opponent get the first punch. If he shoves you, go at him. If he raises his fists, go at him. Don't wait to get knocked down. This video is sound, no nonsense advice on avoiding being shocked and getting into offensive position right away, then throwing.
very intreresting and intelligent method...
Brilliant
Excellent drill 👌
Thanks for sharing sir.
good channel. I would only add to the anatomical field that the jonction at the top of the forehead is the weakest, kind of a soldering link between the vertical plane of your forehead and the top of your head. As such, and also to limit the bouncing of your brain too much, best to lower your center of gravity and aligning your body accordingly. I do english boxing and sometimes I would "headbutt" incoming punches that I couldn't otherwise have the time or energy to side-step too etc...same as I would dig my elbows into incoming body shots if given enough time.
I like the idea of using this just to be at perfect striking range of your main arsenal. When considering a situation of close space with minimal travel distance for your shots to land, I was quite intringued with "shoulder" shots that you can see in MMA (jon jones for instance), when in a mouting position, you're using all of your limbs to restrain the opponent and drive consecutive shoulder blows to his eye sockets etc...but then regarding the headbutting restriction, I wonder if they would use their headbutts instead if they could, even though it's a more "sacrificial" techinique?
finally found some real training...
very interesting, never seen anything like it
I like this drill. Do you do it from all angles? I will incorporate this into my training, for sure.
This drill is great, I think it can be better
Very interesting...
Good stuff
God I fuckin' love this guy.
Knowledge!
I think this is a GREAT drill my only comment is that the instructor has required his student to hit with such force that the student now is winding up his punch. A quicker accurate strike would be my first choice followed by more powerful punches. If you are a striker (if not take him down). However, my belief is the instructor is just trying to show this drill of "zero-to-o'shit" and how quickly things happen. The instructor is every good.
There is a concept that is hardly ever discussed or approached and that is when an attacker comes at you by surprise our unexpectedly, particularly in the course of our typical civilian life normal busy and focused routine, the first natural reaction is to psychologically freeze. This happens no matter how much fighting skill you may have acquired. That length of time is usually enough for them to gain the advantage and then do you in. Very difficult, perhaps impossible, to train for and eliminate this type of psychological freezing up reaction to an unexpected attack.
No I think the flinch response is the first natural reaction. Then comes the fight, flight or freeze response.
he has a video where he talks about freezing and breaking it actually, though I don't remember which one it is...
This shit is brilliant
Interesting
Very interesting.
Actually, I tried today and managed quite well most because if my martial arts training, than my knee kickboxing training. Thank you very much, your lesson was insightful for me. I will pass your lesson.
Damn, you look as if you would wrestle a bear?
And I wouldn't bet on the bear @_@
Standard Training1. Combat Management (Foundation Elements)
2. Contact Management
3. Threat Management
4. Continuation Skills & Drills*
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Coup, any and every advice would be most welcomed. Thanks.
that is where the constant training comes in. you train yourself to react a certain way such as recover, hands up and quick to punch instead of being startled and pausing and confused. then it becomes second nature. but, there is a downside to this type of training.. it makes you jumpy af. my brother had this type training a long time ago with his jeet kune do training. He has hit and almost hit innocent people who just tapped him on his shoulder.
You need a mic of you want your channel to grow. Good stuff otherwise but I can't turn my speakers up enough
Mick Coup is like the Dr. Who of fighting
strwman5 I have no idea what that even means...more like Mick...who?
Blue finger gang!
The Real Deal!!!
100%. Zero BS with this guy. The best out there.
Friggin good stuff. I have been planning this type of stuff for my kids, now I know where to come. My kids are 8 and 5. I don't need any snowflakes or wimpy kids, the world's full of em already.
I have shared these drills with people already love your methods and practices, fucking Giant hooah here
'stand the foke close'. haha...
Carry on! Fuck em.
How do you cope with verbal abuse I.e. from another driver?
Michael Saunders Treat them like a Facebook 'block' and make ninja unicorns out of them...that you can't see or hear, and who just don't exist...
Mick Coup thank you
Best effin' reply possible.
You don't, listen to your heart or some people call this a gutt, heart and a gutt are always right. Not the maind,
What if a knife or a club is involved. Any ideas how to defend in those extreme situations?
Ante Jamio The point remains. Develop a way to surprise your student with what ever attack may come.
Run
Avoidance and evasion.
Yeah, run fu. Chances are pretty good you can take one hit and still run, but not several.
You made a bed judgement, buy being in such situation, unarmed.
note palm-strikes, avoid catastrophe of broken, useless, painfull, hand, maybe go into shock in a minute
Great drill but IMO, the reactive strike shoulda been a Thai kick off his right leg to the assailant's left leg. No pause or reset required and they HURT!
markbdogs - Did you get the point of the drill though?
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