Freehold vs Leasehold Land Laws Amendments. - CS Alice Wahome
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Alice is a good student of Ruto, she doesn’t wait for the question to be asked to the end. That’s a very intelligent strategy to distract the thought process of the interviewer and evade the most cardinal part of the question. This is not easy as Alice put it.
True
This government is quick to collect taxes but tone deaf on TRANSPARENCY of the billions collected! Mdomo tamu, tamu, tamu, tamu!
😂😂😂😂😂 kweli bro
Shes trying to confuse kenyans that only free hold land in karen and muthaiga will pay land levies, as soon as those ammendments pass, every town in this country will be upgraded into a city and urban center and then you will all have to pay to live on your own land.
Is there a problem with that really?
I agree. If you project this setup 20 years from now freehold land will be boundary to a town or city. But this is a UDA idea. Govts of the future may actually reverse all this if it proves to be counter productive. The govt must admit they have been wasteful on spending, and it has finally caught up with them, and they are running frantically like headless chickens looking for sources of revenue to plug the gap.
@@alexkibe4179 Does it make sense to buy land and then pay rent for the land?
@@alexkibe4179yes big problem
@alexkibe4179 there is actually, reason being people are already paying land rates so if you are to introduce a levy then it would be some sort of double taxation imo.
I am not a lawyer, but you cannot introduce new requirements mid-way. If the land was acquired as freehold, It remains as that. Law is not applied retrospectively
These people are fond of bending things to fit their agenda they forget the fact that the Law is the Law😂.
Nah, you can. Policies change, principles change, democracies cannot afford to be static. The fact here is that they aren’t changing the ownership of the land as is prescribed by law, but adding a charge on the maintenance and services enjoyed by land owners. If the current system is maintained, then the burden fully lays on the rest of the public to maintain the comfort of individuals, especially those who own lots of property.
this are the kyuk who sell her people short without fight for people but align to the new laws to benefit british we kenyan people to remain lenders.... STOP it... 🛑🛑🛑
@@nenekarain539 proud of my kyuks n proud of being kyuk.....stay a luo n stop with us kyuks
@@antonykaranja9252 If you have nothing to say just shut up your stinking mouth.
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Ninangojea Sana.
This country really has a huge problem, living above our means, so now all over sudden you have to find new ways to come up with new tax regimes, instead of managing the current budgets. Even a layman with a blindfold knows the first place of interjection should be cutting all government salaries and scrubbing unconstitutional offices first.
The politicians want to steal the Kenyan people’s land. WEF orders from the US.
You must illiterate
I put to you that even if that is done, that will not raise our tax to gdp ratio. It's true there is much that can be cut, but as long as we are spending 1.7 trillion this year to service debt, we've a long way to go
@@gitgen1887 Ruto corruption is Kenya’s biggest problem
Dear GenZ,
Najua mko pagumu kwa hiyo siulizi kama hamjambo. Mna mpango na kazi ngumu ya ukombozi wa Kenya, namwomba Mungu Awabariki. The hour of liberation is at hand. The hour of freedom from corruption, youth unemployment, tyranny, exploitation, misrule, mismanagement, incompetence, and impunity has truly arrived. It's jubilee moment when the corrupt must be dispossessed of their ill-gotten loot. Stolen land and assets must be surrendered. Punitive taxes and odiuos debts from thieved trillions must be disowned, and thieves thrown into prison. It's time to take our country back. The youth are leading the way. The rest of us must follow. GenZ, have a successful maandamano. Ruto out. GenZ in.
Liberate frim who???
The minister who can barely explain herself is a disgrace! She has simply wobbled and procrastinated
You are just bitter
You are right.
@@antonymwangi4986say it lounder
The problem is if you have to freehold land karen or kileleshwa to leaseholed is to force owners of those areas to sub-divide their land and sell those rich politicians,those areas wili become concrete jungle,those areas are still heavily forested provides good environment!
Which services does a freehold land enjoy? We know the people behind this law
There is an assumption that these services are funded by landrates and not road levy, kanjo business permit fees etc. It seems like double, triple, quadriple taxation
How do you pay rent and rates to land that you own? It doesn't make sense. Why rent land you own?
If we allow the elephant to put in the trunk in the house, the whole animal will eventually find itself in and you out. 50 years down the line, generations to come will fight to live in this country when their properties have been taken by the government. Thank God I won't be there
Quick reminder, already you landlord in kasarani, umoja, Dandora, kayole, are paying land taxes both to national and county government. There are no freehold lands where over 90% of eg Nairobians live. So, who are you fighting for
Are you saying people in dagoretti. Kabete ex kiambu but now in Nairobi don't matter.
So how shall a place like mutuini, Kangemi, kawagware where rates are already paid don't get services be supported.
They are all freehold rather than hype by saying all high-end land is covered.
shame on all who sat and thought its a good idea to pass.even think of it. ati coz you have power.
These thieves needs to go.
I second you
Agreed,, 💯
This woman is so indifferent to the needs of the urban poor, she doesn't care that people will lose their ancestral land
This is a very good,informative interview. I have been warning my parents that soon all our land will become lease hold and we shall have to pay the government to continue occupying it.
All my village folks have the same info.
We need the government reps to always come to the people and explain anything they're doing that would affect mwananchi to avoid misinformation which leads to anxiety and bad blood. Thank you for hosting madam CS who has explained it so well.
This whole mess going on now is because of the government poor communication skills and arrogance. They needed to be humble and explain themselves like this before implementing the bill.
True l heard from my mother.The government should sack communication director.c@@HenryWere-uk6qo
You really believe this law will only affect the rich, smh… you must not be paying attention. Don’t get played y’all!
No wonder 8-4-4 was scrapped
8-4-4 offered a lot of information and knowledge. These leaders are just playing us.
Very clear, all lands in the cities must not be freehold🎉🎉🎉
Says who? ... If it's freehold you don't just switch it. That negates the whole idea of having freehold.
The freehold people didn't tell the city to expand.
Land should be free hold. It goes beyond this economic system we acquired. It’s cultural and even spiritual
@@wayandothe government should compensate the owners before changing to leasehold tenure
Is it a Divine law,given to Moses as part of the 10 Commandments!
What stands in the way of extending this changes from urban areas to rural areas? Nothing! This people are so compromised
Ofcourse it will extend to rural areas. She is saying we trust her word but their tax appetite is just so high!!
Please folks reject this land act, you will be paying land rates and land tax on same land. Here in USA any time you're unable to pay taxes for several years the County Government takes the properties. It's a bad law Government can refuse to extend the 99years lease to your family. In future families will be harrassed and there lands taken over with unfair Governors
We don't believe this woman, she has been put in box by Ruto government just as the court has, since they can't implement only in Nairobi and not other towns she only trying to get Kenyans to agree with something they will regret
Don't touch peoples land. They worked hard to pay for it. They enjoy services from the City because of income taxes, road levy's fuel levys and other special taxes. Don't touch peoples primary residences period.
Jesus even after such elaborate discussion huelewi.....lo
@@Johnmbuguajn I get it, I just don't agree with her. Looking for money in peoples land is a no go zone. Primary residences should be exempt from taxes, freehold or leasehold. If you want a law affecting huge tracts of land don't lie to us, just make an amendment saying if you own 5 acres or more in the city and it is not your primary residence then this amendment is for you. She is dancing around the the issue with technical explanations
Does it mean those land owners aren't supposed to enjoy development from government?And since they are currently enjoying it, does it mean that they are enjoying without paying any tax?
The problem is the politicians have looted so much and stashed it abroad so there is no longer enough to loot. So the little kept by the poor is needed in whichever way, to loot it again and take it to offshore accounts.
People buy land by deliberately deciding between freehold and leasehold. It is an unfair ambush to sneak in a law that suddenly forces them to go bottom-up and pay a rent to Government when the land is private and does not belong to the government! However, all is not lost. Affordable Housing is a noble effort as is growth and development. The public is not poisoned, the approach is. The problem maybe that Mhesh and those around her always have a political chip on her shoulder on an 'us vs them' basis without listening to the citizenry on critical matters
bottom-up is the promise lest you forget.
Wow,, well articulated. You are smart.
They can build affordable houses without raiding our pockets, no?
Affordable housing is going nowhere just like the stadiums and dams. And who will afford this affordable housing. Do you think these house will be sold for sh10,000 a unit? You will be shocked if they ever get built, they will retail at current market value in the millions This is kenya people. Land of mdomo tamu tamu.
Are you aware NHC has houses with a total worth of 1.1billion not sold?
Hon Alice comes from the land of Maumau Gen Kago. He who fought colonialists during the day!!! I wonder, the land that our fathers fought and died for is NOW set for ambiguous taxation 😢😢😢. I want Hon Waziri to know, Gen Z might fight harder than our Maumau fathers. No changes should be done to our "Absolute Land Titles ". Else, we ALL shall sink together and IMF, Bretton Woods Instutions will just be clapping. Again Do Not Touch freehold titles!!!!Period.
Amen
Did you listen to her to understand or to answer?
@@NgugiSamuel it depends from where you are..
Absolutely
Greedy greedy African leaders. We fought colonial taxes to impose taxes by these thugs.
Team @Spice.
There is a fundamental flaw in this dicsussion.
You pay land rates for the ammenities received on your land from government.
Land rent is paid in lieu of ownership as a charge to the owner of the land.
Why pay a levy equivalent to land rent for land you already own ?
Waziri is being evasive and you are letting her get away with it. She is distracting us by talking about Karen. This is a countrywide law that will affect all urban areas! Majority of freeholders cannot afford to pay the levy.
That's what am screaming about. How did we get here😢
@@steve92biko
IMF, and their backers, Corporate America.
This law needs to be looked at in tandem with the change in law now allowing foreigners to own land in Kenya. As well as the one permitting GoK compulsory acquisition of land.
Watch an American documentary titled "The Grab", recently reviewed on Anampour & Co. 50-60% of the arable land left in the world for agriculture is in Africa. And big money - including Wall Street money - is being dedicated to buying farmland in Africa for food for export.
The agriculture sector is what Corporate America wants to control. Thus by using the IMF as a battering ram on the one hand; & pliant compromised African "leaders" on the other.
It also part of the move by US Corporate interests to get GoK to, ban Kenyan farmers from keeping &/or exchanging their own organic seeds, get GoK to approve patented GMO owned by them, and sell one of the few profitable parastatals, Kenya Seed, which houses Kenya's seed bank. Then, also ban the use & transport of organic manure.
This way, if a Kenyan farmer wants to plant seeds, he must buy them from a US Corporate every season because GMOs don't regenerate seeds. Likewise if he wants to replenish his soils, he has to buy synthetic fertiliser made by private companies (the biggest ones Western owned) to have hope of a decent harvest. Corporate America wants to own & control Kenyan food supply: farm to plate. Its an inch-by-inch campaign
The switch from freehold to leasehold which this dishonest CS claims is "just" for Karen & Muthaiga when she says "urban areas" is a bald-faced lie. Typical of this sellout KK regime. As another poster pointed out, if they pass this, what's to stop them upgrading town after town to city status. Its the domino effect: once one falls, all the rest follow. Meanwhile, who is waiting on the wings to offer GoK $$ to buy land that poor Kenyan peasant farmers can't pay leasehold fees for? Wealthy foreign interests targeting African land.
This is what evil looks like.
Neocolonialism via pen, paper, & homeguard leaders.
Nasimuingie bonda mwende studio since you cant afford a car
Paying land rates/rent and Kra monthly rental income for people that develop their land but get little or no services is just courting dissent
The guy who wanted to take over Kibera primary school land illegally is the one presiding over these land tenure changes…..tunawaonea 18 ….. It also so unfortunate and the government thinks that the only to increase revenue is through increasing rates, taxes or borrowing money!!!
meaning it was not scrapped, you just want to pass something without telling us you want to pass it.
It shouldn't be scrapped. I am certain that 90 % of Kenyans dont own even a shovel of soil in cities and urban areas, and will never do even in 100 years. But it has been made the 90% of them their problem. It's time the Rich guys contribute to the national cake
@alexkibe4179 lmao what about those who inherited land those in villages, your grandparents enem these amendments are not only for the rich but cut every quarter especially the lower class anyway since kila mkenya ni a know it all let's see since you still believe what comes out of the mouths of these politicians.😂
@@alexkibe4179... Let's eat the rich, so we are all poor ...
@dizdimples have you even listened to what the bill proposed?? Please go back and listen. There is no where the villages are being mentioned.
@wayando it has nothing to do with the rich vs poor. Only that, based on our structure, it was conveniently put that today people on leasehold are commoners and those on freehold within cities and urban areas, are well to do. Mind you majority of Kenyans already are paying
She is just confirming peoples fears.. The big question is what is the governments definition of Urban Areas.. Thats where the catch is.. If it is about leafy surbubs in Nairobi then define it as that! soon you will hear all counties that want raise money following suit!
Despite having a free hold titles...be been paying land rates in ruiru backdated for appr 10years...the explanation/ rational ruiru urban centre has been expanded to include areas that were free hold but upon zoning they were captured..
This is a WEF Mandate subtly being introduced. Waseme ukweli
Exactly. Their desire to deprive people of ownership and freedom is evident.
So after elapse of 99 years, what can then happen if the government declines to renew my tenure? My land will then be taken away from my generation? and the government to use it in other ways? Really??
We are suffering at the hands of land valuers at county offices asking for bribes to give low valuations for stamp duty calculations. Refuse and your measly plot is assiged a value 5 times the market rate.
What extra services is she referring to, the services she's talking about i.e. sewerage, electricity are paid separately to the water companies and KPLC respectively. Can she explain which services the county government and the national government offer to property owners. How does she justify imposing land rent on freehold property yet these properties are still liable to land rates payment and these amounts are also factored into these "services".
We will never trust UDA
where was this public participation done??? Can you give us the numbers,,areas that you visited or sites that you created for people to come in and participate,,,she has mastered the art of Ruto "don't wait for the question to be asked,,,answer fast,,evade questions,,answer things you haven't been asked" Sisi sio wazazi wetu,,,mtaaamka!
What about those who loot other peoples property.those who betray others for their personal gains
They are planning to Steal land through illegal tax.
Dont be cheated ni wizi wa mashamba.
Spice FM you are lovely. Really educating us. You do not seek to incite the public but are just seeking facts, unlike Citizen TV. Kudos!
First time I've listened to Alice from start to finish. And I must say that I understand her argument. Freehold land within city areas should pay a levy. It makes total sense as amenities in these areas are far much better than in leasehold areas that are already paying. As to if the funds are appropriated in the manner intended, the govt hasn't demonstrated prudency and so this runs the risk of being all flowery talk
Have they demarcated the boundaries clearly, such that mwananchi is aware upfront, before the tax is levied, or they intend to arbitrarily decide on the boundary, just to meet the target of tax they intend to collect?
She is an awesome CS.
The strategy to relieve Kenyans of their land remains unchanged.
Don't lie that there will be public participation, uliskia wapi?
Hiyo participation hufanyika wapi?l have never met anyone asking me any.question
So if you don't pay rent on your freehold, they will take your land. Land is an Asset. Paying levy is equivalent to paying tax...
In Kilifi County our farming lands outside Municipality areas are charged land rates. I came to know when I wanted to sell that my 6 acres owed nearly ksh 300,000 rates.
Maybe you were in a settlement scheme Land.
define a city
Why pay for what is mine? Is this not immoral?
This is now better.
What services is national gvt offering to an urban resident that rent will be used for over and above what the city receives rates for? Which amenities?
Please ask Waziri if "urban" is clearly defined and does not include town/ trading centres in the countryside.
If it does include the BA, my heartfelt condolences on your loss. May your Dad's soul rest in eternal peace, and may the Lord comfort you all and grant you peace during this period. Love and hugs, dear.🪻🥀countryside, then this proposal would infact affect all lands in Kenya.
Touching land matters without caution is a beginning of colonization.
Kiambu kajido,machakos up to upland Limuru will be affected.
There is no Freehold land in Muthaiga or Karen
Can she explain why Ruto denied that the Land Amendment Bill was contained in the Finance Bill 2024.
Ideally walikuwa wanataka tulie kuhusu pads,bread tusahau kuhusu hizi lands laws,eco tax & other climate change stuff.These are same people who told us we need to register ngombes na last week we hear Denmark will paying tax ya ngombe,eti ngombe is polluting..These are the laws tunafakaa kukataaa
Exactly
I completely agree with the Levy on Freehold land that enjoys government services, especially those that are for private use or use that doesn’t substantially benefit the nation in general. However, why should this only apply to urban land, under the assumption of government services, while the same government is also meant to service rural land?
Secondly, where to we set the cap for areas defined as urban land? Is this a well defined criteria in Kenyan law or policies or will it be arbitrarily defined?
Freehold lands enjoying urban services should be charged a service fee, not converted to leasehold! This wild taxation will destroy the country!
@@chikaabtwn2244they are not being converted to leasehold.listen well. Freeholders don’t pay land rent,leaseholders do. This levy is for freeholders only, as their contribution. That’s it! The issue should be why when you want to renew your leasehold tenure the government has the power to refuse.
@@chikaabtwn2244 That's exactly what the CS is proposing.
Land rates are levies imposed on all parcels of land and payable to the county governments. Land rent is levy imposed on leasehold parcels of land payable to Ministry of Lands. Urban areas are all areas falling within municipality. Currently we have 107 gazetted municipalities. Kiambu county alone has 12 municipalities
Why were they deleting nlc and insert CS.
What do we enjoy in urban centres without sewerage, garbage and we are practising agriculture
This old woman has demolished wakikuyu houses shame on you
Which ones?
Our mothers are Old, Respect mothers, if you have anything against her, face her as a person.
She is involved in the demolition she is in charge of urban development
@@aheuditthis is what has gotten here. The politicians are not held accountable because of this draconian mindset. This mindset is holding Africa back.
Why now are you charging the small plots less than 1/4 acre in undeveloped urban areas like Juja ?
But freehold attracts rates, and that is taxation. Is another tax not double taxation? Why not tax one amount and share? And then there is a capital gains tax of 15% of the sale value passed to the buyer. It makes land in Kenya very expensive and inhibitive in development.
Apparently leasehold pays land rates and land rent.
Dagoretti , uthiru and kangemi are Freehold lands in Nairobi if you don't have money you lose your property
If this is how work will be done, it is regrettable.
Why is my tittle GLA freehold but i pay land rates? ( 1 acre) in Nrb?
What happens when a land owner of a freehold title is unable to pay annual land levy? How much is annual land levy on one acre of land?.
All city land owners pay rates to the the county in Nairobi, that is what caters for services, land rent(the levy according to the CS) is a different animal.
So let’s trust our land to government because they are so considerate and respect public participation so much as evidenced by the last few months 😏FOHWTBS! Oh, special Shout out to the ever people-protectors: parliament
Is there a comparable to the loans versus the trade deals of foreigninterest. Any update on the g l o b a l meetings and summits, conferences etc., that were taken during the term. What came out of those relationships. This summit with A that summit with A and so on.
Once the law passes land cartel at the ministry and land grabbers, they will start stealing peoples lands, claiming you haven't paid rent for many years. Uwezi tuu. Even now, without that bill, people are grabbing other peoples lands, and what's going to happen once that bill passes? Reject!!!
It would have made sense to first come up with a set of parameters that would be used to introduce these new charges to owners of freehold land. For example, a minimum set of services that the government would first provide - paved roads, water, sewage and waste disposal, served by properly equipped security agencies, public hospital and other government support services etc. What is not being said is that the owners of these properties have most likely also been privately funding these infrastructural and social-services provision for themselves without government support. You can only introduce new taxes where you provide proper services as government. The revision of these laws is a lopsided initiative.
And yet some plots in Machakos are 40×60😮 without any amneties
The services are offered by counties.. WHy take money to central gvt
Somebody is using them,,they have no idea what they want to enter our counties..kiambu county is lead by tugege..a country club that has forever be there for generations you want some of its land..somebody is eyeing kiambu county with a passion..
There are very many cases of land incourts that has over ten years what is the maxmum of a land case
Can you pls tell Kenyans the setllers hand tittles and those left sold their farms mostly to their local workers who are kenyans do the gov recognize these title deed. Pls anwer .
Waziri why not papercon fees for service rendered if any at all without taking changing the tenureship
Lest we forget, this woman was once flagged as an active participant in genocide we called post elections violence, she's no angel
You may be confusing her with someone else. She was a FIDA activist who are mostly concerned with human rights.
I am very concerned. It took us forever to get it. I am talking by about less than quarter acre
Great job CS Alice Wahome explaining the proposed land law change, the question is why didn't you come to talk to the media to discuss the proposed land law change BEFORE putting in the Finance Bill? This is the COMMUNICATION problem the public is complaining about KK government...
What criteria will used bearing in mind that big proportion of land in some counties like Kiambu is within urban areas.
Why not start with land reforms and the unlawful allocation of public lands first, then move on to tax idle land which is largely in the hands of political bigwigs and their cronies before moving on with such a proposal?
That law amendment should not see the light of day until the mess of land grabbing and diversion of land for development purposes to political rewards and for speculation purposes by politically connected individuals is addressed.
What is the definition of urban areas?
She said cities and not urban areas
@@Wakereu land within municipalities
@@mr_kuria9 @wakereu she said cities but the act clearly states its urban areas.. the Act on urban areas defines them as cities, town and market centres, with population starting at 2000 people. It does not define the boundaries to count the population. This is a clear case of the govt eating where the shouldn't...
Any land within Municipality. Kiambu county alone has 12 municipalities
@@cypriannyagwaya1018 She makes it sound like its Runda, Karen and other rich neighborhoods but it cuts across the country. These guy lie and give half truths!
If you dont build on the land ofcourse you pay levies that is to keep thieving at bay.
Why can't they avail the documents
Mhesh amenona,life is good since she changed ministries,she is one of the ministers who really works in this gafament,just for the record am not even one of her fans...
How do I pay a rent for what is mine?
Tax
@@aheudit "You will own nothing and be happy!"
@@mawama6719exactly many Kenyans remain ignorant of the WEF shit storm that's comming.
@@mawama6719wef
The World Economic Forum is always saying, “you will own nothing, and you’ll be happy.” Now that Ruto has sold our souls to the west prepare to see policies that have made Dutch farmers demonstrate so angrily for months, upon months, while the governments made it impossible for them to continue farming because of climate change.
Some families are in towns because the towns have grown with time and these families ancestors land you want to force them out
Fire this cs
I respect people but How did this woman become the CS?
What is the meaning of URBAN?
Town's are forever growing!
the lands mau mau died for to be taxed by this corrupt politicians?? whats the difference with hut tax of 1920s by British colonialists? huyu ni bure sana
Notice how William Lootall is using okuyus to push controversial bills. Very wise
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what services?, people dig boreholes, pay for electricity installation i.e. unavuta, or backup generators, pay for security, pay for garbage collection, if u come for my land when i dont pay the u have changed the tenure
Can the CS define the boarders of city because we are worried at Juja.
You are within Juja Municipality. Any municipality is an urban area
She's quoting areas that are well developed but other Nairobi areas like Dagorretti have lands inherited from forefathers and they donot receive any development or services from Nairobi County and they pay land taxes which keeps going up. Land in these areas is already very expensive.
Thanks for bringing this matter to this panel discussion......we are still saying leave peoples land alone,.......Kenyans are already paying inheavy taxation.......there is no inequality there. That’s the robbery we suffer in different rates on issua of tokens in electricity power services
Ruto anataka shamba za wasapere 😂😂😂 na wasapere nao wanampee noma sana
Let's not go there coz once we go there that's when we loose the concept and main focus.
Clearly targets have been set to fill the main coffer and fund pockets. Those are basic "benefits" that have been there. County drains your pocket and seldom provides the said benefits. Why then are there application/joining fees if I'm paying rates? I pay 200k plus every year but don't have street lights, security, road maintenance etc.
Politicians are busy looking for loopholes to grab such lands & I'm constantly in court blocking such.