STANLEY KUBRICK | The Economy of Statement
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Stanley Kubrick | The Economy of Statement: This video explores an idea that I heard Kubrick discuss in an interview which I was fascinated by. I thought about it lots and wondered what he was really talking about. Then I found some other interview materials that talked about this idea of visual poetry, economy of statement, pure cinema and it helped expand my understanding. I tried to share some film examples at the end which I think have moments of ‘pure cinema’ but I’d be curious to hear your examples. I’ll be in the comments if you’d like to share.
Songs (In order)
Dmitri Shostakovich: Jazz suite, Waltz No. 2 (Eyes Wide Shut)
Ray Noble: Midnight, the Stars and You (The Shining)
Franz Schubert: Trio No. 2 in. E-flat major (Barry Lyndon)
Scatman Song: • Scatman Crothers sings...
Outro song: • L'indécis - Soulful
Kubrick Interviews
1987 Rolling Stones Magazine: • 2-Hour Interview with ...
London set Tour footage (Which includes Kubrick phone interview) • The Shining - unseen i...
1966 Interview: • Stanley Kubrick Interv...
A Voix Nue: • A Voix Nue: Stanley Ku...
Charlie Chaplin BBC Interview: • Video 
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Thanks everyone for the comments, I chose my favourite comment and have sent them the Kubrick book that was mentioned at the end of the video, hope he likes it! Great to see all the interest in Kubrick's idea.
The most inoffensive smart person i have ever worked for and great homage to stanley. stew fmj crew.
which were the best replies? plz share!
Kubrick taught me the joy of silence. He taught me to carefully observe my visual field so that I may inhabit his characters just by watching them. Now films with too much dialogues feel like a crowded party where I can't hear or see anything. Thank you Kubrick and thank you for giving my love for him a name, 'The Economy of Statement'.
Thanks man, when you said the joy of silence it made me think of 2001 and then some of the long sequences in Barry Lyndon. so amazing!
long takes and silence, if used correctly, makes it sublime, subtle, beautiful. have you ever seen Tarkovsky?
I haven't really dug into his work but I recognise some of the iconic images from his films, will need to get to them!
MUST SEE FILMS i recommend the films Solaris, another great sci-fi movie, the Mirror, the Sacrifice and Nostalghia. great films, very poetic.
Nice, will need to check this out, always great discovering new awesome films from like-minded people. thanks!
i avoided barry lyndon for years due to reviews id read. but one day i forced myself to sit through it, and today its one of my favourite films
Its amaamamamamamazing! Such an under appreciated masterpiece. I mean you definitely have to be in the right mood to watch it but wow its awesome!
Something people may not realize about Barry Lyndon, the slow pace of the film was deliberate. Time moved a lot slower in 17th and 18th centuries; that is to say, the pace of life was much slower than 20th/21st century. So, Kubrick was subtly immersing the viewing audience in the economy of statement that was the passive time pace of Barry Lyndon.
Totally agree!
I love Barry Lyndon. I also feel the same about Eyes Wide Shut in relation to pacing, and in that movie's regard it's effect is subtly dream like. The dialogie and behavior between characters seems deliberately stilted, and the color is oddly reminiscent of, as crude as it sounds, an Italian porno lol. It's something about the weak black tones and zapped contrasts. That movie's also very thoughtful and totally immersed me the few times I watched it.
it surprisingly didn’t bore me
Chaplin explains why The Room is famous. The story never mattered, it was a backdrop, for that one huge personality that was in it.
Love The Room! yeah Chaplin was on to something!
Oh man, we must have had some weird transcendental connection here, seems like we're both very interested in these concepts, but you took it in a totally different direction! I'd never heard those snippets of him talking about commercials, but I think he's really on to something there. They have to communicate something so efficiently that the only way of doing it is through pure cinema, and it's really cool to hear Kubrick's appreciation of that. He was always pushing the medium to be what he believed it should be, not just something that could be done on the stage or in a novel, but something that fully makes use of the cinematic potential of films. Loved this video Darren!
Thanks man!! yeah that was the thing I was fascinated by, the idea of Kubrick being so far ahead of his time yet still being captured by this idea and the possibility of what the form could be like.
I think “A Quiet Place” squandered an opportunity. Imagine if that entire movie had been without dialogue.
David Lynch is a total master of this with his opening shots. Just like the very first narrative silent films ever made that contained a symbolic image at the end, Lynch presents his thesis or over-arching theme in the openings of his films. Think of the beetles hidden in the picturesque suburban lawn in Blue Velvet, the dream sequence and blurry vision hovering over a bed in Mulholland Drive, or the TV being smashed by a sledgehammer in Fire Walk With Me. These are so brilliantly economic and yet subversive! Amazing video on my favorite director and thank you for bringing such an interesting aspect of his philosophy to us!
David Lynch is such a great example for this and in his book 'Catching the big fish' he talks about how Kubrick said Ereaserhead was one of his favourite film ever and its probably because he could recognise Lynch's ability to play with the medium so well.
Lynch worked in advertising I believe? Re watching Blue Velvet the other day I was struck by how much it looked like a Coca-Cola advert or something. So over the top and clean and colorful. So many scenes working with cliched material, within the language of cheesey light advertising, however Lynch subverts our expectations to make watching it one of the most dark and memorable experiences the viewer will ever have.
Yeah Lynch is a great example, he really does play with these tools but uses them in such a unique way to really get into your mind.
"Man, I like Heineken. Do you like Heineken?" His commercials are incredibly surreal but he definitely has an eye for efficient and memorable storytelling. You're totally right, Blue Velvet in particular uses that kind of heightened advert lighting throughout as part of its neo-noir world.
Lynch certainly has a great control on editing and uses it to create disturbing reaction; there is a scene in INLAND EMPIRE (a movie, an experiment, whatever it was, that can be considered to be 50 years ahead of anything as an accomplishment in narration) that really impressed me and I still can see in front of my eyes whenever I think of it: the dance scene of the locomotion with the sudden cut to an empty room; the way the action is killed is chilling and is definitely a great example of the power of editing and the visual medium.
Anyhow, if we have to talk about the ability of employing visual narration the first director that comes to mind is obviously Alfred Hitchcock: he always constructed sequences paying attention to the information provided solely by the visual composition (we may think to the chase scene in Vertigo or to one of the first scenes in Dial M for murder when Grace Kelly thinks about an affair she had: a lot of information is provide with basically no dialogue). Following Hitchcock, another director who fully understands the power of visual narration is Brian De Palma (we can think of the museum scene in "Dressed to kill" or to the scene in "Blow Out" when John Travolta recreates the accident in his mind listening to the recordings).
However, what Kubrick was referring to, if I got it right, is something else, something more: the possibility to take visual narration to the extreme using editing and composition. In this sense it is interesting to consider some movies by Wong Kar Wai (Chungking Express and Fallen Angels) in which he used fast cuts and a remarkable editing to create a sense of alienation. Contemporary filmakers hardly try to improve such an approach to filming, at least in major movies (many interesting things can be found in music videos), but at list one name is worth considering: Nicolas Winding Refn. If you watch his last four movies, you can see an attempt to reduce communication to the point of providing most of the information just visually; beside the high contrasts of colours the way he uses editing certainly demonstrates that much can be done just by showing.
I've seen this video more than a handful times, but I came back to watch this essay after having begun Marshall McLuhan’s book The Gutenberg Galaxy. Just FYI for any other nerds looking for a rabbit hole to dive into. Worth a read.
Awesome! Love a wee nerd investigation.
I think he’s talking about combining already existing techniques, some from before he was even born. The kulshov effect and soviet montage with aspects of surrealism. It probably boils down to experimental narrative filmmaking. The opening montage of appocalypse now is a great example of executing these techniques to throw your audience into a characters emotions very quickly.
These are great examples, its so interesting to ponder and think about what he meant and what it could be like if someone took it to a new place.
I am a painter and love the idea of silent narrative in movies. Big fan of Barry Lyndon and loved your take on this.
Thanks, yeah Barry Lyndon is such an under appreciated masterpiece, it requires a little patience to get into but when you do, your mind is blown by one of the most gorgeous films of all time.
The regular visual exaggeration of time in Chungking Express, through slow motion, step printing; the audio design, particularly when you hear the plane fly away (Implying his girlfriend leaving for good) as Cop 663 drinks his coffee. This is just fantastically economic use of screen time.
Agreed, such a masterful film by a great filmmaker!
i was feeling hopeless today. You sir, you just gave me meaning
This is exactly the vision i have to tell stories, thank you.
Always happy to help, glad you enjoyed it. If your feeling down and want a good example, watch the first 15 minutes of Pixars UP. Masterful visual storytelling with economy.
Superb analysis.
Thanks man! Working on a new one at the moment on Phantom Thread!
Kubrick loves to tell multiple stories in a non verbal way; multiple stories at once in each of his movies. The Wendy Theory and the Apollo Theory are just 2 prominent examples of this kind of story telling in The Shining.
A great deconstruction of art brother. keep inspiring
Thanks man, was a fascinating topic to dig into! Also always great hearing Kubrick's voice!
Love the video. In my unprofessional opinion. The social network outlines this theme in the last scene perfectly. For a movie whose duration is filled with anything but silence due to the long conversations, Fincher and sorkin juxtaposed the heavy dialogue with the silence of the last minute. The last scene is so unconventional from the entire movie and is, to me, perfect cinema. The last scene could almost be used as a commercial that evokes emotion on the audience.
yeah that last scene really plays with some nice symmetry in terms of the use of dialogue like you mentioned but also with his yearning for a single friend like he lost at the book ended beginning.
Spielberg captures my attention and holds it for 120 minutes.
Kubrick captures my psyche, which never releases it grip on Kubrick.
Spielberg is great, one of my childhood favourites but I guess I graduated to loving Kubrick too.
Economy of Statement can also be read as economy of silence since humans first evolved with little to no language (e.g. the primates in 2001). Therefore we as a species had to closely observe other primates and animals for communication cues. Therefore economy of statement film-making can be seen as reverting back to our basic primal form of communication.
Yeah totally, its why silent films are so universal and go beyond the language barrier.
This theory describes a lot of movies i love that give a painterly expression of narrative and are mainly enforced through visuals and sound/music. Steve Mcqueen's Hunger, Lynne Ramsay's body of work, "The Long Day Closes" by Terrence Davies, all do a great job at transcending standard narrative and stripping cinema down to its basic components: images, sounds, editing, and actors. All in the pursuit of deepening the experience of connecting an individual to the subject in a work of art. I never figured there was a term for this, so I'm glad you made this video!
it's not quiet the same sort of experience, but All is Lost with Robert Redford managed to be a pure cinematic experience with out resorting to dialogue and narrative. One bloke, on a yacht that is slowly sinking, that's all there is to it! Bravo to Redford for making it so compelling!
Thanks man, me too, I really loved those same types of films and was fascinated by this idea, but didn't fully understand it, and I don't claim to be a expert but a few things started to make sense the more I learned! and I'm happy I was able to explain it enough so it made sense. Also Lynne Ramsay!!
I love that film, no one ever talks about it!
It's a great piece of work. I love the wonderfully ironic image of the container spiling it's cargo, which is, of all damn things, footware! A man stranded at sea and the universe sends him footware! I was with Robert's character from that moment.
Yeah it was also very well crafted and easy to watch because you can imagine the concept could be a little boring but it never was.
1980's;Stanley Kubrick:Beer commercials are the highest form of cinema.
2020's;Dylan Mulvaney:Hold,well...my beer lol...
Off the top of my head, I thought about a scene in Denis Villeneuve's "Sicario" that I rewatched recently given the release of the sequel this summer. After the conclusion of the brilliant border crossing scene, Alejandro enters an interrogation room where Matt and the cartel member are waiting. Alejandro sets down a water jug next to a drain then approaches the cartel member. Soon after, an overhead shot shows the water jug and the drain while Alejandro hurts him in some way. When I first watched the film when it came out, it clearly distinguished that the clean drain will soon take away the water and blood of the cartel member after the torturing. It's simple, with only one shot, and that's the point. It's so great. As far as others, Nolan's Dunkirk from last year used little dialogue and more simple narrative shots to tell the story. We need more filmmakers who understand this. I'm happy that you released this vid about it. It's awesome.
Thanks man! great examples, I did think a lot about Dunkirk and almost included in the ending montage. I know exactly the moment in sicario you are talking about, I did a video on that a while back, such a great film and that whole border crossing scene is crazy intense!
In the 90s I recall Kubrick praised 'The Dekalog' as one the great achievements in cinematic method he'd ever seen. This is such an insightful video you've given us, thank you!
wow id never heard that, I just watched the trailer and it looks incredible, I'm totally gonna watch it, thanks for the recommendation!
The first film that comes to mind when discussing pure cinema that utilizises visual storytelling (that wasn't already mentioned) is Terrence Malick's The New World. I watched the 3 hr cut and was not bored for a minute. So much was communicated without dialouge, but through beautiful cinematography and a great score.
Also, Nicolas Winding Refn's films like Drive and Only God Forgives always make me think of pure cinema as they are visually expressive and have sparse dialouge as well. There are plenty of other films and filmmakers that could be mentioned but these were the first ones I thought of that hadn't already been said.
Yeah Refn has some really great moments, I loved Drive, found Only god forgives, a little tough to watch, but he definitely plays in that mostly visual world.
This reminds me on one moment in Film School when I pitched for our project films to make a short with as little dialogue as possible and tell through the mood created through music and visuals and the teacher taught I was crazy. "this is a music video, not a film"
This video at least show I wasn't wrong in the end haha. Thanks for that!
Iv been in that situation before, I know the feeling!
Really interesting. I remember hearing that audio clip of kubrick before and it was great to see someone looking into it bit more indepth.
Yeah I had heard one of the interviews before but was really happy to find a few other sources on the same topic!
Awesome !!! I follow this channel for a long time, and in this video you articulated why. Thanks, Darren!
Thanks Diego, appreciate the nice words and the continued support. Gonna have some more regular videos for you soon, so I'm excited about that!
Such an interesting concept. For me, movies that have done it recently really well is:
Spring Breakers
Green Room
The Master
Fruitvale Station
This is a good list, Spring Breakers definitely has some of this going on!
My good friend this was a PHD level Cinema lesson, great food for thought. Keep up the great work.
Thanks man, yeah I agree, its something that Kubrick was fascinated with but it actually applies to Cinema as a whole.
One more film that comes to mind is Billy Friedkin's "Sorcerer". A wholly cinematic experience. In a near 2 hr. runtime, he conveys the whole story through complete visuals and almost no dialogue. The tension you feel when you're watching the placing of the dynamite to blow the fallen tree out of the road. The tension and being on edge when you're watching the demon/truck cross the "quote on quote" supposed bridge. And that final moment when Scheider goes to "hell". I don't hear this film get talked about a lot and I thought I'd throw it in here as it's a wholly experience in visual storytelling.
Wow this sounds amazing, I haven't seen it, will definitely have to check it out! thanks for the recommendation!
It wasn't talked about, but the re release on Blu Rey, as well as a limited cinema release, has brought that great film firmly back in to view. Beautiful looking film too. I love the close up shot of the chicken's head with the sun light behind it. You wonder why the heck that shot is there, other than for colour, but then when you see the fires from the oil wells, you figure it out as some neat foreshadowing.
i had already seen exorcist and french connection but sorcerer made friedkin my favorite director. i was chuffed to learn that he considered it his best film. i even interpreted the title correctly, based on his talk about it in interviews (fate).
Great job with this , Darren. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man, really enjoy covering this idea and glad I was able to make it make sense lol. Got a new video in the works already!
Great video Darren, love Kubrick like the rest of us, but hadn't heard this detail, and I especially liked seeing some of the commercials he was referencing matched with his audio. Thanks for putting those together! And I *loved* Phantom Thread so look forward to what's coming next - keep up the work it is inspiring!
Thanks man, I watched Phantom Thread twice yesterday, its quite hypnotic.
thanks, just brilliant, i'm subbing and sharing with my young poet friends, just as van gogh showed me what quality a painting could express, kubrick showed me that in film
Im glad you enjoyed this video, it was an idea I was fascinated with for ages!
So happy to find this channel - thanks!
Glad to have you on board!
Great vid ... again! Your content is always thought provoking. I love the single frame cut ins of Tyler Durden in Fight Club as 'economical statements ' but that film is maybe too dialogue rich to be wholly economic as statements go. Hah. My choice would be the last scenes of Irreversible. Seeing the characters in blissful situations, knowing they are about to plunge inevitably into the nightmare of that film, makes the title pretty painful and dour, but powerful as well. Cheers! And hope u r getting to work on even bigger cinematic projects outside of this awesome channel.
What a great video Darren!!! :)) excited for the phantom thread one!
Thanks, yeah me too, been rewatching it the other day!
2001 bone throw. First tool up to spaceship. Ape-man to astronaut. Million years edit.
So money!
Did you notice Paul Thomas Anderson paying homage to that cutin There Will BE Blood? The cut that goes from Mary and HW playing as kids to them getting married. I can't begin to describe the sequence in detail, it would only ruin it,, but it's masterful.
Yeah I know the one, when the are jumping down from the door entrance and the cuts to Mary in her dress. Yeah its a great moment, an also unexpected to jump so far in time the first time you see it.
Mary in her dress, but as opposed to the two kids jumping down, the cut jumps to them making a deaf 'sign' together with their hands that moves upwards, so it has the same sort of jarring effect the bone/space ship jump does in 2001. It's PT nodding to Kubrick again, but doing it in his own way. It's a wonderful moment in that film. You are doing Phantom Thead next? Great. That film slipped under the radar somewhat. The film's style is far less flashy than we are used to with PTA, but that only highlights the 'weirdness' even more. From the moment we 'meet' Reynold's vision of his mother (surely a nod to the twins appearing so matter of factly in The Shining) I wondered how much of what we were seeing was 'real' and how much is Woodcock experiencing hallucinations because of Alma's mushrooms. Take the New Years Eve party for example. It was like a cross between the Gold room ball in the Shining, the Tango scene in Last Tango in Paris (another film about a toxic relationship) and something Terry Gilliam would make! All those Animal heads (which makes us think of Dodd in The Master telling Freddy 'man is an animal'). That film is deceptively rich.
Yeah iv just been watching it again for the next video and it really is full of mystery. I mean its packed full of meaning that ill dig into but they really is a strange tone and feel through the whole film.
This was a very well done video essay. I'm a screenwriter/director and the type of work I want to make is closer to that of a silent film.
awesome, I think thats where the magic is, I love old Chaplin films, so much heart and such underrated filmmaking.
great video like always, thank you.
Thanks man! Appreciate it! Working on the next one!!
These videos always get me out of the everyday numbness ^^ thanks! It's amazing how many of these concepts were actually defined at the very beginning of cinema. I think I recall theorists by the likes of Baudelaire, Barthes and Walter Benjamin describing that very powerful visual poetry that is inherent to the filmic art, and Eisenstein saying how story and narrative were the only signs that film hadn't reached its fullest potential. They talked of a time where the advance of technology and the sensitivity of the audience to the medium would reach a point where film would be "freed" from narrative. I strongly believe that that time has come xD personally, Blade Runner 2049 and A Ghost Story are examples going in that direction! Sorry for the long comment
Wow this is an interesting thought. Yeah its amazing that the silent filmmakers like Chaplin knew a lot of this instinctively but I like the idea of the audience coming full circle and being ready for that kind of cinema again!
not everything has to be dramatized but simply illustrated. wow. thank you :) and then you followed with the Chaplin excerpt. you moved me emotionally as well as intellectually.
Thanks man! Chaplin always get me, so full of heart!
Awesome man, I've been enjoying
your videos on Kubrick. You found some great clips and audio of him that I've never seen before
Thanks, yeah finding some new Audio was the main reason I made this video, just helped put this idea together a little more.
MUST SEE FILMS No pressure, but do you think you'll continue making videos? I just found your channel recently, did I discover it after you stopped?
@@crowstakingoff Hey man, yeah definitely planning to make more videos, but my wife and I had a wee boy recently so been taking time away from it. Once I get the balance right ill be able to make some more. Iv also got a whole bunch of podcasts on iTunes too, with interview and stuff incase you are interested. Link should be in the bio.
MUST SEE FILMS Hey, that's great. Glad to hear it
This is beautifully done. Thank you so much.
Thanks, its an idea id been fascinated with for ages and I really wish someone had brought all those clips together to talk about it in a video, so was happy to put this out there for others to see.
The most amazing person i have ever worked for. stew full metal jacket crew member.
wow that must have been amazing, what was it like being around him on set?
fantastic, my 15 mins of fame actually one year of the best time in my life. stew fmj crew.
Great as usual!
Thansk L! Kubrick is always fascinating to dig into!
Great video man. Kubrick is defiantly one of the best filmmakers ever. I always enjoy seeing essays and videos about Kubrick. He was a very interesting guy.
Thanks Jared, for the continued support and social media love!
MUST SEE FILMS no problem man. Keep up the good work.
He was just incredible. stew full metal jacket crew.
Most valuable video on storytelling I've watched all day.
Thanks man!
MUST SEE FILMS, You're welcome.
Nice to see your video!
Thanks man, got another one on the way about Phantom Thread.
Fantastic analysis!
Thanks man! Was a pretty fascinating topic to dig into!
thanks for this!
Your welcome!
Great content.
Thanks John, to be honest, I was trying to answer the idea Id heard Kubrick talk about for years, so happy to finally share this!
Thank you for this great video. As difficult as it may be to believe, I have been trying to do this exact thing with my debut feature, Gyrus, now in post-production. In fact, I was asking these questions back in the 90s, before I had any understanding of any cinematic definitions or language.
People say that film is a visual medium and that makes sense; "movies" is short for moving pictures, the idea itself an artifact from applying photographic conventions to the discovery of persistence of vision. Because of this, however, I make a distinction between film/movies and cinema.
Watching cinema is not a passive transaction, rather it is a two-hour collision between the art form and the life form that is the audience. This means that what you bring emotionally, spiritually and psychologically is just as important as what I design.
Just as important is this fact: cinema is not a pastiche of tangential/peripheral art forms and their conventions. Most films are made as if they are just a hodgepodge of other mediums and therein lies the barrier to accomplish what Kubrick is suggesting; how can we achieve the true potential of the art form if we are using the wrong definitions and not understanding cinema as its own space?
Thus we get to my point:
Cinema is not a visual medium, rather it is a motion medium, a change medium, a juxtaposition medium.
It is not about what is happening visually or aurally at any given moment, rather it is about the convolution between new stimuli coming in and old stimuli being reevaluated by this new stimuli.
It is not about explaining or exposition, which robs the audience of the cinematic experience. It is about how what comes next impacts your understanding of what came before and vice versa. It is about revelating and reflecting, gradually, over time. Above all else, your cinematic experience is about you, not the filmmaker.
Regarding Gyrus, I designed the film to gradually reveal its nature very slowly over time. I have thrown out typical conventions regarding character arc, drama and protagonists and antagonists. However, the film remains accessible without compromising artistic integrity.
Cinema is half design, half discovery. Its creation is akin to discovering the invisible form of a serpent of divine energy, constantly evolving but always the same creature. Kubrick is one of the great directors that have paved the way for people such as myself to attempt to engage what I consider to be the one of the greatest human achievements, the cinematic space.
Im right on board with what your saying here. Also speaks to the power of editing and how clever use of that can connect different elements to create a 3rd more complex idea. Awesome news about your first film, I am in the process of writing different projects with the same ambition, always great to here other taking the leap!
I've encountered people who have multiple projects and I wish them luck. All I can say for myself is that the only way Gyrus is possible is because I focused on one project at a time, one step at a time.
Yeah iv definitely found that, thats why I took such a long break from this channel was to focus on writing for a solid block of film and not have to split my focus elsewhere. Still working on this balancing at though.
Hey great camera quality at end when you are talking. Hope to see more use of it! And more videos in general
Thanks man, yeah gonna start doing little ending messages now, just gives me a better chance to talk to everyone face to face. Yeah I'm working on a much more regular schedule now, so thats exciting, digging into Phantom Thread right now.
MUST SEE FILMS great to hear! I’ve Been watching for long time! Thanks
Thanks man, appreciate the continued support! Also hopefully iv been getting better over time because this experiment has been a continual learning experience.
MUST SEE FILMS Oh most definitely!!! Your great bro. Thanks for your knowledge and entertainment
good to hear from ye again lad
Thanks man!! will be back shortly with the next video on Phantom Thread.
Wonderful video. I always thought that Kubrick is a visual prose, unlike Tarkovsky - visual poetry, both a greatest directors of XX century. And i always keep them in mind side to side. They have much in common despite all of those differences. It's like one of them are negative photo of other one. And yes, i'm waiting for phantom thread!
I agree! Awesome I'm glad your excited about Phantom Thread because I really am, Iv only seen it once in the cinema, but have the DVD now to dig into, so getting to work on that tomorrow.
I still remember that scene with his mother in the room. So powerful moment. Will wait for your video!
Yeah I think thats a crucial moment, will be digging into this soon!
I look at it this way. Kubrick was intrigued by this new visual language that was developing at the time in the commercial world. There is an expressionism in these slice of life commercials that is very effective. And something you wouldn't see at the cinema those days. But so many things have changed since then. This kind of visual language is very common now. It can still be effective but it does not mean what it used to. We live in a post modern world and this is nothing new anymore. RUclips & instagram videos, tv commercials, fashion films basically all exploit this type of editing. Kubrick saw the poetry of this style and i do too but we now know that most of the time there is nothing hidden beneath. So as effective as it is, it just doesnt hold the same emotional power. I would say that Fincher's career perfectly illustrates this point. He came from the commercial world and in his films he used many of those techniques but as time went on he mostly abandoned them for a more traditional approach.
Now concerning whether the story is the point of the film or just the vehicle, that is a different discussion and can only be answered on a case by case senario.
Hmm I think your right, that makes alot of sense. I actually rewatched 'The Rock' the early Michael Bay madness and I was thinking about this. How every scene was so commercial-like and over the top that it gave the impression of something much grander than was actually happening.
I hadn't considered the timing of his curiosity with this issue in the life of film but totally agree with you! Thanks!
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@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ Bayhem!
great work bro 👍 break the narrative
I know how awesome would that be!
Lesson learned. Focus on the idea to convey the message
Ridley Scott started in TV commercials. You can see where he learnt his visual flair in his films. Seems like making tv commercials is good training.
Yeah definitely, Tv commercial and Music videos seem to be a good way in.
Don’t forget fincher and David lynch
solid stuff
Thanks man!
The smooth voiced Daren is back!
Thanks man, lol, I'm getting better at the audio recoding, not great but better.
The editing in Edgar Wright Movies do a pretty good job in visualizing a concept really in a short amount of time.
Bu I'm not sure if this is what Stanley meant when he described the qualities of the comercial
Beer commercials do this. Mainly because they can't promote the alcholic content on television during daytime hours, so they have to have intangeable feelings that seperate their product from others - like corona has beaches and young people sitting by a campfire, set to nice music. A lot of ads nowadays are more centered around being attention grabbing and annoying/ironic, sort of a response to internet meme culture, facebook trending and 6 second vines.
yeah like the old spice commercial, they are so random and weird that you want to talk about them and they get attention, despite the overall quality.
MUST SEE FILMS Those worked for me when I was younger, haha.
The opening shot of Sophia Coppola's "Somewhere" tells the entire movie in 2 minutes. There's no need to watch the rest of the film and yet you do. Well, because it's Sophia Coppola. The shot shows the corner of a race track as a car races into the frame, becomes little and silent in the background, leaves the frame, and, then, seconds later, races back into it. Again and again. This is the protagonist of the film. We already know everything about him before the film begins and how it's going to end. // Also, Terrance Malick's "To the Wonder". It's a two hour silent film made in 2012. It's Malick's beautiful shadow film to "the Tree of Life".
Yeah I love Tree of Life and Sophia Coppola! great examples!!
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Wooooooo! Adrian! thanks for the support!
Great video thank you for posting. I think a good example of what you describe is the village attack from the beginning of Conan the Barbarian (1982). Other examples could be the end of Rollerball (1975) and the end of Inception (2010).
Yeah I love moments like the end of Inception where it becomes more like music and all about emotion.
Interesting comparing the Inception and Conan scenes that use music to great effect and influence, to the Rollerball scene that has no music at all. There's no music in Eraserhead either thinking about it.
Yeah and Eraserhead is so full of tone and atmosphere, but it uses a lot of very creepy and clever sound design.
I agree. Denis Villeneuve is great at that too. Sicario and Arrival in particular.
Yeah Villeneuve has the magic touch, he's one of my favourites!
I believe a moment in which all of the narrative and emotional weight of a film is carried completely through visuals is the scene towards the end of 1999’s “Man on the Moon.” I am referring to the scene which Andy Kaufman goes to a foreign land to seek out a magical healer to cure his cancer. Before he is treated we see that the healer reaches into the patients body to heal them. And when Kaufman gets to the healer he lays down on the table to be healed and looks down and sees that the healer is only making it looks like he is doing something when he really is doing nothing, similar to a joke. When Kaufman sees this he begins to laugh and cry at the same time. This is because he understands that his entire life and career was built on jokes like that, and most of the time, jokes that only he found funny. He has never thought of the weight these jokes could have on people. He never worried about the repercussions of one of his jokes and now, at the end of his life he understands that these jokes that he has built his entire life on, will not save him. This is all communicated wordlessly through the visual storytelling and through Jim Carrey’s brilliant performance. From my memory, that is probably the first thing that comes to mind when you talked about depth through a visual medium with only music to support it. I am a beginner video essayist and I love film, and video essays, and yours always empress. Great video, keep up the good work!
Ironicaly I saw a video on youtube that compares Michael Bay's style to tv commercial but in a negative matter, and personaly even tho there are maybe too many explosions in his movies when I think of it one could remove most of the dialogue in his movie and still understand it and that's a great thing! (yes I'm talking about michael bay in a kubrick video) hahaha
Great video. Did you ever try and dig into Kubrick's concept of what he called 'non-submersible units' in narrative?
No. I'm not sure what that is? What is it, sounds interesting.
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I feel the sequence from when John Getz' character (Ray) sees Marty's (seemingly) dead body, and there's perhaps 20 minutes from then until he finishes burying him where, purely through visuals, you see his shock, then realisation he's complicit when he picks up the gun, to the pain he feels when he realises he has to finish him off himself. It's just the subtleties in his face which is all you have to go on, and while it may not be as obvious as Stanley would have liked, if you pay attention it's a very effective sequence.
Thats a great moment, and I love blood simple! so awesome!
Edgar wright does that!
Do you think Feature can be 45 mins or less and be worth people time to watch in theaters
it really all depends on whether you want to make money, or not, the productive output from the director that wants a Ferrari is gonna be a million miles from the director that just wants to be recognised as a great artist, and Kubrick was both
yeah he was very unique in that way, not all filmmakers can do it.
If I understood the video correctly I don’t think you can talk about this idea without mentioning the opening of Up. Literally the emotional impact of a full feature in less than 10 minutes.
totally agree, Wall-e and up are two great examples. Especially the opening to UP, sooooooooooo amazing, some of the best storytelling iv ever scene, powerful, emotional, visual, and covers lot of material, almost a whole life, very economically. Great!!
Apocalypse now also came to mind. The use of soundtrack, sound design, and imagery during the opening shots of the film perfectly establish the tone of the film.
Yeah the opening of that film and also when Martin Sheen is going crazy I a great moment for visuals and sound design.
I would like to give a serious answer...but first, I MUST know where you got those BTS clips from THE SHINING and FULL METAL JACKET that I've never seen before! I MUST HAVE THEM!
Yeah I had to do some serious digging to find all the clips and audio. All of the resources I found that I used are in the description, hope this helps! Also what was your question?
On full metal jacket that sunset scene i waited with the camera for hours as stanley was filming elsewhere at bassingbourn army barracks.stew fmj crew.
What does the 'stew' stand for?
hi stewart, i was named after stewart granger as my mother was a big fan of stewart granger.
think youll ever do a bergman review? and not that i like him much, but what about a tarkovsky one?
Yeah id love to cover other great filmmakers! got a few planned for the near future which I'm excited about.
Compare the difference between Kubrick's 2001 and the sequel 2010 (1984) directed by Peter Hyams. The original was all visual, an epic told in music and pictures---a waltz across time and space. While Hyams sequel was an overly wordy attempt that failed as a picture.
In the 80's I was at the old Selznick Studios in Culver City and walked over to Peter Hyams' office. I spoke with him about this. The result was he got angry, kicked me out of his office and didn't want to talk. It's the difference between greatness and mere competence.
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It will look like a great Terrence Malick film 👌
Yeah Malick definitely plays with this visual poetry!
"Mishelob" is hella good, yo!"
So, hmn, what is the difference between an impressionist director and an expressionist director? Both in terms of end product and technique?
Anyone care to discuss?
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Does anyone know much about what he thought of cartoons?
They would have had fast visual jokes and story telling and maybe influenced him growing up.
I've found this one article talking about woody the woodpecker and him but it's a bit loose.
hmm thats interesting, a lot of those early cartoons are great examples of visual storytelling and also joke telling too.
Kubrick is like crack for filmmakers
The film that I think comes close and could be an example of what Stanley was talking about is a 30 min short film called Patriotism (1966) by Noble prize winning author Yukio Mishima - ruclips.net/video/bO-w-cn-pJM/видео.html . No dialogue at all with a beautiful score playing along with it. The film was in hiding from 1967 to 2005, when Mishima ' s wife died, so I would understand why Stanley didn't get to see it (a shame really). This film will blow your mind when you read about what happened to Yukio Mishima just 5 years after making the film. This film also inspired me and my filmmaking style. Also really appreciate u making this video, I thought I was the only one pondering this idea, so thank you very much 👏👌❤.
Wow thats an incredible short film, id never seen it before. Creates a really powerful feeling and atmosphere but also very simple. amazing!
Parasite is the closest we have get till now.
It is also known that Kubrick liked his films to make money in the box office. I think he used ticket sales as a way to judge how successful his experiments with the form are. If he went too far, then the movie isn't making any money. Barry Lyndon flopped relative to Kubrick's other movies. My point is that Kubrick didn't know some magical way to tell a story perfectly, he just tried many different things and looked at what works and what doesn't. And it seems like he was not satisfied with his experiments in the end, despite how much we movie nerds like his work.
Yeah I definitely think he was interested in the box office results because he would want the film to do well, but I feel like his main aim as an artist was very personal and he knew that his films weren't for the masses.
Isn't this what Terrance Malick's style is aiming for?
Yeah, I think Malick plays in this ball park, but definitely lacks the strength in narrative to really use it effectively, but maybe thats just my taste, I mean I love the thin red line and would gladly watch his films over and over, but I feel like narrative isn't his strongest element.
The Tree of Life. all the way!
Agreed, such a masterpiece.
Only one who can do it is James Incandenza
What film was the shot of of the crying woman in front of all those men?
Please no porn related reactions, i know how bad my question sounds. Honestly curious about others shots from that movie.
Thats from the end of 'Paths of Glory' the woman singing is Kubrick's wife, who he married after working with her on this film. such a great movie, you'll enjoy it!
he is talking about crypto art .... what a visionary :)
Even now, Kubrick is ahead of his time. Its pretty amazing hearing him talk.
@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ Kubrick is basically the god of Cinema … I don’t think we will ever get another director with such depth in his ideas and mastery of craft
@@DodZz666 Yeah he definitely seemed like a rare breed. I learnt alot about him from the 'movie geeks united' podcast which interviews lots of people who have worked with him and its pretty fascinating to listen to.
@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ will check that out
Everything is perfect except the outro song link u choose which is not the right one... U made a mistake...
Thanks for the heads up, your right enough, I have not idea where I go the outdo song so I can't even point you in the right direction, sorry. I do go to 'Stay see' youtube channel a lot for music, you'll find a lot of awesome stuff there. hope this helps.
Great. Why only 34k thou?
Im always looking to reach more like-minded film lovers out there, cause theres such an appetite for film discussion and analysis, so hopefully the channel keeps growing.
MUST SEE FILMS on historical channels they usually do cross-collaborations, maybe that's possible in you realm too! Anyway, you have at least one dedicated follower already) keep up the good work!
Thanks man! Iv done a lot of cross overs and interviews with other channel on my podcast, I'm currently in the process of uploading all the episodes onto iTunes.
MUST SEE FILMS you do a great job, there is no doubt. I hope someone will see you trying, cause it has to happen.
Thanks man, the channel has steadily grown over time, so I'm gonna just keep going.
Tyler Durden's one CUT frame. Incomplete male affects young minds, subverting status quo.
Don't know If I am allowed another go, but I love this game, thank you.
Fight Club has a lot of magic about it, so watchable.
I have to agree.
Believe it or not when I saw it in the cinema, I liked the film but didn't think much of the ending!
Glad I happened to catch it again on DVD, one of those second watch appreciations...
Yeah iv had that with a lot of films, including The Master.
Oh, maybe I should try again with The Master then? I didn't make 30mins in...
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I saw this at the cinema, will need to rewatch it cause I wasn't sure what to make of it first time round.
Mishelob....
Terrence Malick has a commercial esque style, and there is nothing concise about it...
yeah I feel like Malick playing in this area but he's so loose with it, and its more like a liquid narrative rather than a solid story, so I don't think he hits the mark exactly.
Human personality is pretty much lacking from most Kubrick stuff, of if it is there, it is an odious type personality, like Jack Torrance. In fact, I have always said, why hire Tom and Nicole and then squeeze all the personality out of them for EWS? People liked all the bit players in EWS better than the leads. Hal was considered the most human character in 2001.
I know, its a weird point, I bet Kubrick was somewhat aware of this and maybe he was striving for it for some reason.
@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ Yes, he must have been.
nice fake deep voice with a vocal fry, cant listen sorry
I'm always trying to get better at the audio recording and levels etc, I'm not great yet, but hopefully get better in the future.