TPA Smoke Device, Blows Commercial Out of the Water!
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Terephthalic Acid 54%
Potassium Chlorate 23%
Sucrose 14%
Magnesium Carbonate 6%
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TPA 10. lbs for $49:
www.ebay.com/itm/324164241657...
TPA is an extremely low toxicity smoke. I personally think it smells like clean linen.
For the detailed build from Igniter Raw chemicals to this finished device, see the 3 Volume Series: "Building High Performance Smoke Devices" --the structure of this device will be in third volume. 
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I just want to take a moment to say hi to my assigned ATF and FBI agents. I also wanted to say to them, this showed up in my algorithm, I did NOT search this content out.
Guess why it popped up there 😂
Probably because of the recent “ban” aka bs new atf rules on smoke grenades and flash bangs
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Snitch.
From a study on these kinds of smoke grenades...
Chemical characterization of the M-83 grenade and the M-8 smoke pot showed that formaldehyde, benzene and carbon monoxide were the major organic vapor by-products formed. These by-products were above their respective ACGIH threshold limit values at various concentrations, but should not pose a hazard if the smoke is deployed in an open area. Overall, TPA is a safer training smoke to replace the HC smoke.
Benzene and formaldehyde!? It's all fun and games until you get cancer later on. Both are carcinogens.
That's an incredible formula. If there's any room for improvement, you have your work cut out.
Awesome job cant wait for vol 3 to be available
Wowzers!!!! Thanks for another great video! You rock
Incredible. Good work. Thank you for your service to the community.
Have you ever thought about a dual side vent? Smoke blowing from both ends?
That could be cool. Definitely need links and instructions. Best smoke device I've seen yet.
Received, on it.
@InventionIncarnate My man! Let's go!
@@InventionIncarnate a spinning dual side vent if physically possible, would help with the uniform spread
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699 I never thought of that, that's actually a good idea. Yeah you can do that all you do is you make a hole then insert a rod and bend the rod and it creates a slanted port.
@@InventionIncarnate If you're still taking suggestions I'd like to know if you have an idea to make a smoke grenade that puts out an immediate smoke screen, similar to white phosphorous grenades. It's like a puff of smoke. If you ever looked at the COD video game trailer that features a prison break, the main character uses white phosphor grenades before entering the manhole, and that's what it looks like.
add cayenne pepper powder and you'll have a fairly effective CS alternative
ghost pepper powder, don't waste cayanne on this. waste the terrible tasting heat for sake of heat pepper
@@mrmors1344 Agreed!
That would be interesting. As long as I don't have to test it.
If this is the effort, its just easier to make cs XD
If it holds up to the heat
i remember making diy smoke grenades out of newspaper and instant cold packs, these blows those things out of the water! gonna have to relive some old memories and make some cool smoke grenades!
Dude, that is awesome. Ordering now!
real nice, like john said I need 3 of those.
Figure out a way to disperse the smoke more (how the wind did at the end by changing direction) and youve got an insane device. Im thinking some kind of spinning vent that "throws" the smoke to the sides, and is somehow powered by the pressure of the smoke in the canister.
Excellent find. Thank you for sharing this formula
My pleasure!
@InventionIncarnate is there a way to add colors to the smoke?
Would absolutely love to see that dedicated video, it would be some of your best work yet
MADNESS! First video of yours I've seen - I'm hooked (and subscribed)! Thank you for sharing the knowledge!
Much love from Stockholm, Sweden
Amazing!
Great video thank you
Awesome! That made your property look like a scene from The Mist :D
Cool idea though and it works excellent.
This earned a follow.
So awesome
LOVE THIS
The last one was impressive for density but so was the first . I think the difference came in a lull in the breeze for the last one and it seemed to have a second route of escape close to the main end dispenser maybe compaction and that extra distribution is key . If the end cap doesn't pop and instead two smaller escapes open with the inside compacted under pressure that would be interesting to see to .
I used to make smoke bombs when I was a kid saltpeter and sugar rolled up in a couple of sheets of paper towel twisted on the ends, it put out quite the screen.
Or from ping pong balls 😂
Awesome smokenade to retreat after possible altercation.
You got my like and sub for giving great info, leaving the right info bellow and for leaving a good source.
Thank you! Can you do me a favor and screenshot your subscription status in case RUclips unsubscribes you without you unsubscribing. They are unsubscribing people then gaslighting me about it. I’ve heard it from about 15 people, and watched it happen live on my friend’s phone. Also, they may be muting notifications, however, that issue is not confirmed.
Cool channel my dude. Subbed!
wow cool!
Nice!!!
Holy smokes 🤯 that's some good smoke screen right there 💪 new sub from me here in the UK 🇬🇧🔥💣💥🤘
Nice
The "ph" is an f sound. "Terra - fthalik". Like the "ph" in chlorophyll. I'd also be very interested to see what this looks like under NV and thermal.
Yeah, okay, I subscribed.
Wow…that’s a hell of a smoke grenade! 👍
Sick af!
Subscribed.
Bruh just made portable silent hill like wtf
Yep, it's time to hop on ebay for aure...
Hmm seems like a good formula but the dumping tells me its a high burning mix. Try adding an ammonium phosphate fire retardant....perhaps monoammonium phosphate the dry powder from a class a fire extinguisher. I would start with 1 part monoammonium phosphate and slowly work my way up to a maximum of 10 parts to determine maximum smoke output and combustibility while increasing the length of smoke output
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It might be as simple as altering the ratios a bit. Upping the sugar a couple percent at a time until a suitable ratio is found may work. If we weren't after non-toxic then some rubber powder may do it.
@@NickFrom1228 well the ratios look good to me. The monoammonium phosphate comes from a natural stone called biphosphammite. It is commonly used as a toy. Those none toxic growing your own crystal kits for kids. It's used cause it's a water soluble powder which has dyes added to it so kids are attracted to them. Adding the monoammonium phosphate will coat each granule. In effect it will inhibit access to oxygen helping slow the burn rate. Possibly adding to the smoke generation properties in the mixture. This happen by giving off ammonia and phosphoric acid when heated, which can dilute the oxygen concentration to slow a burn. When heated to high temperatures it can give off water and ammonia further slowing the burn rate.
Its used in standard pyrotechnic mixtures so it should also be easy to buy from any pyrotechnic chemical supply.
Its only really toxic if you inhale a bunch of it. May look like nose beers but its not nose beers.
@@kingdarkem Makes sense. I haven't looked at pyro chemicals for years so I don't know what's out there currently but I think you have a good suggestions.
@@NickFrom1228 yeah it's been awhile for me as well.
Dumping is the objective for screening isn’t it? The faster the better. Why not just increase the magnesium bicarbonate ratio to accomplish your objective?
Add some dry paraffin 3-4% so the cloud stays near the ground.😊
That’s a suggestion from someone who knows his sh_t.
I attempted using 3% stearic acid with this formula, however, the mix seemed more aggressive and lot of devices which couldn’t handle the pressure burst. I’m not sure if it was the composition, or compression, or coring the center, or exit oriface, or any combination there of. I pulled that formula from the military training grenades. However, those were bound with 1%pva (final dry mass) I’m wondering if that 1%pva takes the edge off. Also, do you have any insight on pelletizing. I’ve attempted to granulate a number of comps, that always ends poorly.
***UPDATE***
3 months later:
The stearic acid needs to be ground independently, to a superfine powder prior to mixing with the rest of the ingredients. The output is certainly higher from empirically observing two separate 100g loose powder samples.
All forms of pelletizing have failed, the only successful means I’ve found is compression of the dry mix, coring, and igniting from the bottom of the cored center
@@InventionIncarnatethat TPA generated smoke is impressive. Watched the permethrin video and considering using one inside a 14k square foot barn. Could the TPA be skipped in that case? Dont need the cloud of smoke just the cloud of permethrin. You mentioned pelletizing. Have you considered wetting your mix and trying a hand crank meat grinder with coarse plate?
@@InventionIncarnate Depending on how large grain you want, you could pour it into a silicone mold made with silicone sealant and vinegar. You could make individual grains or a long rod and then chop it to size.
@@jerkyh sorry for the delayed response, your comment got buried by 233k people saying “Mickey mouse” on a random Armstrong’s mixture short.
The permethrin concentration is significantly diluted in the garden dust and I think a better option may be the “composite smoke kit” from Firefox-fx. Though I wouldn’t recommend them to my worst enemy, given their inability to get their orders out. (Four months ) though I may have been an outlier. There are instructions for a better formula with concentrated permethrin in that kit.
If you email me at inventionincarnate@gmail.com I’ll send you the instructions
Interesting.
Brilliant, thank you for sharing. What did you mean by wet glue?
In that dud I used clear school glue mixed with potassium chlorate:antimony trisulfide (1:1) as fuse primer in the other two I used nitrocellulose lacquer
Just found your channel and have been watching several videos on pull ignition. That is a crazy smoke can. I was wondering though is venmo the only payment option for your site?
100% bad ass!
These are way better than Tech Ingredients's smoke grenades
THANK YOU! He’s the man, and a major inspiration for the channel as a whole. It took me 5 months to figure that out.
Would a baking pan aid in smoke blanket effect ?🤔🤔🤔
01:37 again I affirm we would be the best of friends xD
LETS GO!!
WOW!
What about tin cans? Like what ur corn and greenbeans come in. Use safe-open can opener. Cheap device body. Thoughts?
My Goodness THAT thermite explosion was scary!!!!
What do you figure manufacturing cost per completed smoke canister is?
Just got you package thanks
What's a good source for the tpa?
eBay, 10lbs $49
www.ebay.com/itm/324164241657?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ljrgSQbUTQe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=DHBwsNzWRcO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Most cool. I subbed. But I am surprised to see you have all of your fingers...
All the smoke vids are awesome and no hate from my area, but how would you add color to them?
Coming soon!
Ok, it works great as a static device, what about mobile? Think James Bond, would it still maintain density at speeds of 20, 30, 40 mph? I believe he had two going off at the same time (1 left and 1 right) to increase the swath of the emissions. Might be worth checking out in another video. Anyway, loved the review, take care and stay safe 👍
Have you considered other additives to act as deterrent? More long the lines of a CS style that would irritate eyes and nose . Might be as simple as adding ground up peppers???
cool
Can you add links to the other ingredients?
Nice! I love that there is starting to be advanced pyro/energetics on RUclips. Have you looked into IR opaque smoke formulas using additives like copper salts? The sciencemadness forum has some good information.
Awesome advice. I tested thermal obscuration ability (with my Flir camera) of a titanium dioxide blend I came up with and it was a complete fail. I’ll check out science madness for better direction
Regular sugar or powdered? Dye solvent source? Thank you.
Copper and gold are probably the best infrared reflectors. Gold is used in space to block heat and IR
@@jasonharrison25 I’ve heard of copper chloride being added for IR screening but I haven’t tried it myself.
gold is the best....its as perfect an IR reflector as there is.....
Silver may work as well@@jasonharrison25
Have you compared to this formula? 10oz of this makes about 5 minutes of thick smoke. I'd be curious to see side by side.
6 parts potassium nitrate
4 parts powdered sugar
3 parts mineral oil
0.6 parts baking soda
how do you think it would work if you combined it with the mineral oil as well as a binder to slow it down?
Interesting hypothesis, the military training grenades use this formula plus 3% stearic acid and 1%(dried mass) pva as a binder. So you’re onto something.
That was amazing, is there anyway to add color to the smoke ?
Powder paint pigments have been used in the past to varying degrees of success, and an old recipe from the 50s or 60s used ground up wax crayons to add colours to smoke mixes for Hollywood apparently
That depends on how hot that composition burns. Colored smokes usually do better with a low flame temperature, as found with potassium chlorate/lactose/dye formulas. Might be interesting to replace half of the TPA with Para Red dye and see what happens...but I'd want a long fuse.
Coming soon
Fuckin’ A, This is what I have been waiting for!!!!
Holy....
After that intro I was just hoping that by the end of the video he would still have two thumbs and no TPA
“Nontoxic”
*spits flames* 😂
Are these legal to make? Stable and safe to store for long periods? Did you make your own pc or order it somewhere? Thanks! Amazing work!
Yes. Yes. What’s pc? You’re welcome. And thank you. 🎉
@@InventionIncarnatePotassium Chlorate 😊
@InventionIncarnate well? Do you make your own or buy? If so, do you have a link? Thanks bud! I want to keep ot legal and not get in trouble
potassium chlorate is probably restricted. you could build a electrochemical cell and convert NaCl to NaClO3. That can then be reacted with KCl to get KClO3.
Now my journey to be Batman shall begin
How do you add color to the smoke?
You need a different composition. The king of random and another science channel did videos on it!
Where can you buy the TPA, does it come under a different name for other applications, as I know you mentioned gym chalk in another video, so is it something like that?
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@@InventionIncarnate Thanks, EDIT : I just spotted you've linked it in the description box (my bad 🤪) thanks again for the reply and where to find it. 😉
You are a god sir! lmao how much chemistry experience do you have?! i ask because i'm self taught but did you do the same thing or are you just a organic chem student or something?
I was a Paramedic for ten years, have a BS in general bio which took me 8 years because I had 2 kids when I was 21. I got burnt-out and said “fuck medicine,” and started working as a construction laborer. Then I randomly said, “imma do this good” and started a construction company. Then I said “imma marry an alcoholic and destroy my life” and now I live in a van because I pay $3400/month in child support.
BUT… I made $159 from RUclips videos in 8 months, so I’m on my way to financial freedom!
Haha kidding… but not really. I hope to shift over to RUclips full-time, someday. To answer your question, mostly self taught
Bet that’s nice w some cayenne
Dude!!! If you added crystalized CBD isolate would it get you baked out in an empty field?
Only one way to find out!
Hey hi hello, you told me to find the detailed build in high performance smoke devices volume 3.... There is no volume 3, so how do I build this wonder
That’s on it’s way
Maybe a little sodium bicarbonate to lower the burn temp and avoid the flares?
The flaring was mitigated by modifying the exit orifice (by third attempt) also, the primer that the fast visco fuse mounts to in the bottom of the bored center was too much material being launched like a flaming ball.
There is 6% magnesium carbonate and I’m reluctant to add more bicarbs to mitigate flaming because this formula DUMPS smoke so fast. I think that flaring can be eliminated via device design vs compromising rate
@@InventionIncarnate it looks like an awesome smoke device, other than titanium tetra chloride or white phosphorus I don’t think I’ve ever seen such high output and dense smoke! Awesome job brother.
I imagine this recipe works with your tiki torch version as well, right?
As a loose powder, beautifully, as a compressed and cored solid-boomboom
Shit the army needs that recipe those throw way more smoke than the smoke grenades we got
They allegedly adopted this recipe (+3%stearic acid) for training some years ago
@InventionIncarnate entirely possible I got out as soon as I got back from op desert storm back in '91. Anything newer than that I wouldn't know about.
"we don't talk about that" 😂
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My 12 year old dream!
Ammonium chloride 60%, potassium chlorate 25%, rosin 10%, flour 5%. One hundred percent usable. This is the recipe for tobacco cake produced in China.
How well does it obscure thermal though? I'm wondering why the military didn't adopt this.
Likely, not at all but I’ll test
Its pretty hard to obscure thermals with gassses.. I mean that's kinda why they were developed to defeat clouds and fog
Stick to video games kiddo...😂😂😂
@@Lucifer-qt9gh Look up VIRSS.
@@ryshellso526 Who are you talking to?
Man I wish i knew how to do that shit. Lol
Definitely need to slow the burn time and maybe dual vent
Guess you didn’t watch the whole video
So from last one it appears that it pops smoke from 2 spotes top and side mabe where time fuse goes in. Perhaps this would work better in a metal canister and concentrate the smoke from the top?? No idea musings on it is all no knowledge
I’ve been testing metal canisters with larger orifaces and the last 3 were fails. I’m going to figure it out though
@@InventionIncarnate maybe Google up or get hold of am expended or drill Mil surp one to see how they are made?
👆🏻 I read therapeutic acid smocke grenade 😂👍🏼come on make one or five and test them at burning man
The material commonly called polyester is polyethylene terephthalate (PETE). I don't know if it would work anything like the pure TPA powder, but it would certainly be cheaper and easier to get. It might be worth an experiment. You might try using polyester batting, which is the filling in most pillows.
Polyester fumes, brilliant 👍
Bro, appreciate the thinking, but the ‘non toxic’ part is a must… PETE fumes are deadly.
@@j.crizzle8942 depends on what youre using the smokescreen for doesnt it 🌚
I hear if you mix ammonia and bleach together it makes a lovely smelling cleaning fluid, you should test that also .😑
OMFG seriously, just in case don’t actually do that, it is highly dangerous
Investigation show the problem with the dud ?
I didn’t let the pva glue dry on the fuse primer.
what happened to vol 3?
I haven’t forgotten, coming within the month
@@InventionIncarnate sweet, I thought RUclips might have removed it. thank you for the kit! and quick shipping.. works great!
What are the 3 missing parts as your recipie total up to only 97 parts.
“Parts” don’t need to add up to 100, percentages do. However, I found another recipe that calls for those same “parts” as percentages and that missing 3% is stearic acid. It’s a military training smoke grenade comp. I personally tested and it rocks
@@InventionIncarnate ah cool thanksfor the info
Would the hydrogen gas try to like steal the oxygen around you, like even in your lungs?
*Mushroom cloud be bussin' there Davie Cricket tactical one.*
Liked and subbed!
A question, two actually: Your pull igniter kit, do you ship to Sweden?
What would the shipping fee be in that case?
Love the smoke formula!
Send me your address via email to InventionIncarnate@gmail.com
A promise i'm not trying to be a troll but I think you would have better results if you introduced a petroleum product or something like that and so that the smoke is heavier because that smoke is very light and airy it's thick but it's it's leaving the surface of the ground too quickly what you wanted to lay low and linger and you can do that by introducing either petroleum jelly or oil or diesel or something like that in there that will keep the smoke heavy
You are correct, I ordered ingredients for HC composite smokes with resin-based, hard curing, moldable , etc in early January, the company is absolutely awful, they charged me $255 and I never received. They won’t respond to my emails, and they won’t pickup the phone. For the record bc I know you’re wondering, firefox-fx
Now, only to find TPA in Sweden xD
tighten your opsec lotta info back of that vehicle
Fixed, thank you
Tera(f)talic
Temperature inversion.
What’s that mean?
So, do you make your own Potassium Chlorate?
Negative, is there an easy way to do that?
@@InventionIncarnate Negative. Nothing easy. ElementalMaker and NerdRage both have excellent videos on the subject on their channels. All the components can still be purchased on Amazon. Wish I could be more help. Stay safe!