How Humans Dehumanize Others (David Livingstone Smith Interview)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- -David Livingstone Smith, Professor of Philosophy at the University of New England in Maine and author of the book “On Inhumanity: Dehumanization and How to Resist It,” joins David to discuss how humans come to see other humans as “less than human.” Get the book: amzn.to/2MdmJL1
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Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things.
I agree, and it all starts with hateful speech and violent language and goes on from there .
What is the difference between "dehumanization" and "unhuminity" ???
@@小肉肉-f4u The same difference between “truthfulness” and “truthiness”
@@小肉肉-f4u One of those is not a word.
I agree with this statement. But I often wonder how are we to look at Fascists themselves?
“Outsider” “different” “ strange” boy talk about my life
I have been dehumanized my entire life. Particularly when I was younger a kid with an Islamic name , with 9/11 fresh on everyone’s mind .
Belonging to an ethnicity (Somali ) & immigrant background that had high hostility towards it .
The stigma of being a poor male for so long & all the pain & hurdles ,
The hell i went through with having an undiagnosed neurological
Problems for decades
Hell there have been times last year , when I was asked myself
Are you less then human ?
Luckily I recovered from my trauma & I’m doing great this year , taking classes , writing ( hopefully soon for a publication) starting several ventures,
One day , at a time , I sing 🎶 as I walk in the rain
Bring it in, I'm giving you a big virtual hug here.
From the sounds of it I'd call you superhuman, to overcome the various trials thrown at you and maintain an optimistic outlook.
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@@NOMAD-qp3dd thank you 😊
I see greatness in you. I see forgiveness in you. Your testimony comes from the ❤️
@@brynn2395 thank you !!
@@williammcadoo8685 Thank you!!!
I'm glad there are people who face reality. We're not as kind and tolerant as we want others to believe.
Not even close
Native Americans have been dehumanized as well...
Yep, as with many other races throughout history, especially American history. In fact we still do it today.
@@sprybug 💯
Indeed often forgotten.
Yes. Most definitely
And they've suffered so bad I compare Hitler more to Shakespeare's Macbeth than the Hollywood anti-Christ.
This is a smart guy and kind. I wish he was my grandpa.
Wow, that was interesting and gave me a lot to think about. Thank you, David.
This was absolutely fascinating, especially the climate change dimension
I'm glad you found it interesting.
Shut up
@@malcolmjelani3588 What's the matter? Dog shat in your breakfast this morning? Wife left you for a handsome latino hunk? Favorite president lost an election?
@@Iadnamad111 Hi, David! 👋☺️
Doesn't Trump often call some people "monsters" and "evil"?
social media made this dehumanization explode.
Because it’s created a massive buffer between words and the consequences of those words.
Social media is a weapon of mass destruction. Whoever controls which incitements to violence get spread and which ones don’t determines who does and doesn’t get genocided.
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Didn't the russians actually get someone to buy a bullhorn and about 10 people assembled on this corner and were like, "huh? What are we doing here again?"
It just gave it a more efficient delivery system.
I keep saying this. This is a technology that will wipe billions off the face of the earth and no one is saying anything about it.
dehumanizing the enemy is especially important in war.
Yes it is. I discuss this in my recent book.
True that.
"If God is with us, then who could be against us?"
Automatically sets up any enemy of the state or king with the label "evil".
We did that to each other during the Civil War. And we never really stopped.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 even before that. Dehumanization is literally what instigated the civil war here in the US
@@ritacheatham9048 Yes and the winners of the Civil War think that further dehumanization is a just punishment.
We also need to talk about "the paradox of tolerance."
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Well I mean that's it isn't it.
What does a tolerant society do with the intolerant, and how to you guard against becoming intolerant in the process yourself?
I don't know that we know.
@@that_heretic the paradox of tolerance would state that if a society tolerates the intolerant, they run the risk of embracing the views of those they should not have tolerated. It's no wonder the USA is systemically racist, because we've never been truly intolerant of racists.
Jacob Forrester That’s the whole world. We have to move towards more widespread tolerance but can’t tolerate ideas which degrade that tolerance.
@@jacobforrester9827 thank you for an interesting comment; it gives pause
One of the reasons I love this channel is because of how well articulated and considerate the community comments are. So nice to watch an interview featuring a guy that is genuinely concerned about humanity and compassion for the vulnerable, and you all respond positively to that sentiment.
It´s always a pleasure to see David´s interview skills unfold. Just perfect.
David, thank you for allowing such informed, (and worrying) discussion. Mr. Smith gave so much information to ponder, and this was one of your best.
Wow this David smith guy is really articulate, and packman is asking all the right questions. Great work
"We aren't awake enough" That is the key. Some one please wake us up.
Great interview
After the last 4yrs, we should really talk about how people dehumanize themselves.
Yes, and QAnon's rethoric.
The point
Your head
And although Mr. Livingstone Smith grew up in the deep south and "inhaled" racism with the air, he was able not to be infected by it. The question is: how did he do it? If we knew this, we could possibly develop a "vaccination" against the dehumanization syndrome.
Being Jewish maybe helped. Hard to be aligned with the maligners...
Education.
There's a book named Social Death that touches on this subject well. I'm sure pacman has heard of it but anyone else who's interested about it should give it a read.
In our Information Age, this is so vital for anyone who is a dissident to the collection and application of personal data against individuals who are merely living their lives out with whatever countries legislation that determines their freedoms.
I love your interviews. I wish you would do more
These sorts of wonderful interviews are what really set David apart from most other progressive independent media outlets. Thanks for this fascinating content!
David is Progressive?? 🤣
Israeli govt and zionists have added a new chapter of dehumanisation of Palestinians in Gaza,which is ongoing for last five months in March 2024.
1:46 The situation today in Levant, sadly. Very sadly.
People with disabilities as well. Does anyone else remember the orphanages in Romania? Or just poor people like the street children in Brazil. Or the homeless guy in your street corner. It exist at all levels
Many of us prefer the term "Disabled people". "people with disabilities" It is a remant of "People First" language, which in itself is depoliticising.
@@ChrisPage68 Noted. In my native tongue we dont use any such distinction
This is so relevant today with what is happening in Palestine, Kongo and Sudan.
I will definitely read your books.
He's absolutely correct near the end of the video when he mentions just one of the horrible side effects of climate change.
Thanks for doing these interviews - I usually find these videos as the most intellectually stimulating despite not garnering as much of an audience.
Such an important point! Dehumanizing 'bad people' as "monsters"...sets us up to think it's some alien form committing heinous acts, when fellow human race are doing it.
Is calling someone 'GOP' dehumanizing?🤔
i dunno; they seem kind of monstrous to me and not at all humans, especially since humans actually EMPATHIZE other humans, and the GOP clearly doesn't.
No.
It’s dehumanizing to call them a white supremacist when they’re just a libertarian.
his book is fabulous. what a memorable gentleman.
I always really enjoy the interviews. Far more than the calls, sometimes more than normal segments! David asks really good questions, and it allows for a much more interesting convo. I’ve bought the book of a few of his guests and pretty much never do that. He’s really good, and he picks guests that have interesting takes and the eloquence to get their points across, usually also making their field sound interesting, promoting further learning.
As humans we are All Capable of Inhumane Cruelty. Looking at what our children can do to animals and each other, what a husband and wife can do to one another, parents to their children, and the underlying factor is what we enjoy seeing in action movies or horror movies.
How do look at another human beings skin colour and immediately feel afraid of them. The indigenous people are all but ignored as if they do not exist and we're initially described as lesser than human by early leaders of this country. What happens in wartime is put together by humans and not animals
Even just last night I had a conversation with my sister about women having forced hysterectomies when they are detained by our government. Her argument was that people shouldn't come here if they knew that was happening and rationalized it as ok because of this. I need to send her this video as I was this was the point I tried unsuccessfully to relay.
As a subscriber to David's weekday and bonus shows, I have to say this was among the very best of the many excellent interviews I have seen. I'm delighted to find it posted on RUclips so I can share it.
My opinion on how to "resist" dehumanization comes after years of asking that question. We need to spend far more time that most do in the process called "self-reflection." Raised as a Roman Catholic, I first got a taste of this as a second-grader preparing for my first confession -- in the process known as "examination of conscience." Which, of course, is tied to learning the difference between wrong and right.
Later in life, I would find out that other cultures engaged in this practice as a routine, especially in Asia. A really terrific documentary where this was done in a prison in Alabama is called "The Dhamma Brothers." (2007). thank you, again.
A lot of my older relatives (in the south) want to act like racism has nothing to do with them and civil rights dealt with it all long ago. But... my dad spent his summers on land that STILL had some slave cabins up, he’d play hide and seek with other kids around them. Because various slaves “stayed on” after slavery was abolished, he believed the idea that his ancestors were “some of the good ones, treated them very well.” But I saw less than a dozen black people until I was 16 years old, the neighborhoods were still starkly segregated when I left the small town I grew up in, and there are still towns in my state that people kind of... just need to drive through.
I have a friend who passes as white and every time he goes on vacation and uses the road going through one of those towns, he’s as careful as possible and tries to get out promptly, because of a pretty unnerving incident he had about a decade ago. They told him to put the town in his rear view and never come back, because his kind wasn’t wanted. And that was “the law.” I can’t imagine.
We like to think we’re so much smarter, kinder, more evolved than people were just a few generations ago. But even those with malice in their hearts know how to smile when it’s called for, and others are far too trusting.
I agree with this quite dramatically. Dehuminization is not an all out evil. Just like all things, people gradually build up perspectives that cause them to act poorly. Dehumanization in ww2 was justified by appealing to an amalgam of long held religious beliefs. But nonetheless it made sense to them at the time. We cannot blame the corporate evil, or the right, or the religious, or the non-religious. We must, instead, truly know why we hate the things we do.
There is no such thing as an act that on its own is a sin or is terrible. It is only terrible when the trajectory of our perception is never challenged. We shoot off at a constant velocity and never gravitate back towards earth. This is a problem of our unabashed culture of "tolerance", but tolerance in this manner is less about being polite, and more about perpetuating the cultural stigma surrounding opinions. And that stigma only exists because of a failed education system that doesn't always inform people the crucial differences between an educated opinion and an uneducated one; and that even if your educated opinions are challenged, this is not an attack of you - its an attack of an idea.
Interestingly, this education crisis is in trouble primarily because uneducated people have a large say in how our education system is run. (Religious approval of appealing to authority as well as discouraging doubt is a huge factor) Its a cyclical issue that needs direct action from confident legislation.
Great interview. Thanks!
Great interview
I know all about that. I married a bi-polar sociopath with Muchausen by Proxy Syndrome.
You married my mom?
Having a hard time accepting Adolph was a person but definitely thought inducing. Good talk
Yeah me too. I think they point he wants to hit home is most of us, under the right conditions and time could become an Adolf. As hard as that is to accept, it’s important to know so we can make sure it never happens again. If we think he was a special type of evil, or a monster, it will happen again.
4 yrs of Trump and already too much of the population was heading in that direction. Every state and every profession under the sun, people were turning into monsters. Imagine if he had 12 yrs to work on us like Adolph did with the Germans.
He was a person, but he was responsible for the choices he made. Others were the victims of those choices.
Great talk...
Great video!
Excellent discussion. Thanks David.
This is very a deep and very important topic. I m a german guy thinking about this topics since shooltimes. This is a very, very good interview. What`s been said are pure facts. We have not much time left to get things in order.
It honestly amazes me that we dehumanized people for being cruel or mean spirited when history is riddled with humans being cruelWas just shows that human nature is cruel
Thank you for this interview.
I'm aware of this since age 8, so I'm not too optimistic about where this is going...
Same. This is an ancient human behavior. The fact that some recognize the broader consequences of it as early as 8, while others never recognize it unless they're arduously persuaded, shows how difficult it will be to eradicate this type of intellectual defect. Those who pursue power continually weaponize it to their advantage, and it works nearly every time.
@@kolbyjackcorgi I was adopted and I always knew it, so the hate based on ethnicity, race or any other differences never made sense to me. You can add political diffirences as well but I feel like bashing lefties in Quebec wasn't as widespread as it is in America.
Same with herd mentality: I'm a loner. An an introvert. I've always felt like an observer or outsider so mimicking others behavior at the risk of losing your own sense of identity, once again, never made sense to me(except maybe in high school but it was short lived!)😄
What also helped is that my mom, while being conservative, was very outspoken when it came to call bullshit on racism and misogyny. Have no doubt that having such a familial background influenced me in some capacity...
I thought this conversation would be much more in depth instead of just defining the term ‘dehumanization’ and whether it applies to the situation we’re in at this point in time.
Yeah, this was kind of Cliffs Notes explanation.
Go to my book for more depths. You can only go so far in 20 minutes!
It goes back to the Civil War. Which side won?
Sarah Welch. I'm sure David Smith will return to David Pakmans show for another interview sometime in the future. I hope so.
@@Iadnamad111 Would you acknowledge Eugenics as inherently Ableist? I was surprised this wasn't mentioned. Those of us who are Disabled are frequently dehumanised - whether by medical professionals, political parties, and by the public.
Dehumanization makes it easier to hate.
Once you hate, it's easier to dehumanize.
I still believe every human is born inately good but quickly learn to hate from observation, indoctrination, etc. But we'll never be able to 'experiment' a claim like that, i don't think.
Disagree. Most people are inherently opportunistic. I’d like to believe otherwise but the so-called “sharing” eCONomy has proven otherwise.
That was a fascinating interview about a supremely important topic. Thanks for bringing this guy on your show, I will go look for his book now...
Edit: Just bought the book.
Nearly everyone would get angry if you say we should stop dehumanizing politicians
Dehumanizing politicians isn't gonna solve democracy since one of us get elected again and again.
But many think they arent part of the problem or deny we live in a democracy where we elected these people.
we are such a vile creature ! we are given the garden of eden and turn it into the seventh circle of hell ! time for change folks it’s a beautiful world and this is not a rehearsal!
This is one of your best!
Some entities have no SOULS....
The reason Bangladesh exists in the first place is because of their othering/demonisation of the Bengali
Who demonized Bengalis ??
Psychopaths...narcissists....cult leaders come to mind....
Interesting interview. It reminds me of the German film "Die Welle" which is based on the "wave experiment" conducted by American teacher Ron Jones in the late 1960s.
Is it hypocritical to then dehumanize Trump supporters?
Not most of the time.
There's a difference between dehumanizing peoples hateful/harmful beliefs or actions vs dehumanizing them for their biology/ethnicity.
@@AnyaEightySeven
Can you talk more about your point please?
It would be if you thought they were less valuable as human beings. That would be supremacy .
It’s a division that goes back to the Civil War. You view yourselves as the Union, the side that won, and they are the Confederates, the side that lost. These are different national groups with different national identities. The KKK/white supremacy shit is not American fascism; it’s Confederate fascism.
That doesn’t mean America doesn’t have its own style of fascism though.
Calling a fetus a parasite.
At my kids school they called her many religiously discriminating slurs for 3 years and the school would not do anything.
Your pretty.
@@davidbrawn2828 thank you
Have we been let to dehumanize babies before there born?
I strongly disagree with his idea that the words "monster" automatically lead to dehumanization. I'm sorry man, but Hitler *was* a monster: he was a cruel, heartless human being. Policing one's speech like this is always a weak strategy.
What about discrimination and dehumanization of people?
Good content
I dehumanize the hell out of corporate persons. I want to put private companies in a gas chamber somehow that doesn’t involve putting the people that compose them into a gas chamber.
Excellent. I'd listen to him for hours. Thank you and please do more of this kind of thing.
Dr Livingstone I presume?
Yes. What a great moment of self awareness. Let us not be self righteous and think ourselves better than Hitler and Goebbels. What would we have done in that situation?!
De-Humanize is Speciesism.
It is De-Personize, and we do out mainly to non human animals.
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I'm not royal and that's how it is.
anger
I feel like I need to hear whatever he's gonna say.
Heisenberg
_*We were saying ....how very important it is... to bring about in the human mind a radical revolution... The crisis is a crisis in consciousness.... a crisis that cannot anymore accept the old norms... the old patterns... the ancient traditions... and considering what the world is now... with all their misery, conflict, destructive brutality, aggression, and so on... man is still as he was... is still brutal, violent, aggressive, acquisitive, competitive...and he has built a society along these lines*_. Jiddu Krishnamurti 1895 - 1986
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A Man first.
I wonder if this is a human being thing? I think if it is , our species won't last long.
Eugenics is inherently Ableist. I'm surprised he glossed over that - which can be seen as unconsciously ableist.
The same thing happens to the lgbtq2s community it’s terrible
Oh snap! We talking about abortion?!
Women are not proud to be female Madonna hates that her daughter is older than her son but why is she not more royal than him must be starsign it's not important if your 23 when your really 45
So it seems that dehumanizing is part of being human?
Huh.. Doesn't he resemble "Walter White"?
I think john forgot that Jesus was Jewish
If it's not "dehumanizing" by Mr. Smith's narrow definition, what term do we give to phrases like: "Democrats are un-American." ? I feel like they are tightly related.
Probably because defining your enemy via in-group out-group dynamics often is done with dehumanizing rhetoric.
Your side won the war so it’s a lot more dangerous when you say that about them.
It's strange because dehumanizers really behave the least human. Projection?
Prisoners in jail and prisons are currently being Dehumanized too With Covid safety and vaccines. Why is it their safety and the right to live is not as important as Joe shomwe off the street?
No man.
That is an apt and bleak prediction
Eeeey Pac man are you going to take back or apologise for dehumanizing republicans by calling them ghouls and monster's
That's why QAnon exists.
I disagree with you. Its not about power. Humans DO NOT naturally humanize each other, its a learned behavior. Children raised in isolation, or children living in violent conditions rarely acquire emapthy. Infact the opposite occurs, in these cases the child will require years of therapy to learn the social skills needed to connect with others in any meaningful way. People with power use dehumanization, but it isnt exclusive to the powerful.
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Isn't the majority of David's content trump supporter dehumanization?
Explain...
@@alexmonet1370 his overall disposition. "Wish we could have unity but half of the country is insane". There's a lot of that vibe. That's what I see. What do you think?
No, I don't think so. I see it as critical observation of people who have different political ideas as well as evaluation and factchecking .
@@GREENSBEATS ..... Well the guy started by saying (propaganda and influence from someone in power). David saying what he feels can't influence the folks that subscribe to him to go hunting Trump supports.
@@GREENSBEATS I don't think calling someone out on their BS is dehumanizing. This country has gone backwards because of our former president and the people he enabled. Does he have bias at some points? Yes as well as us all. But, he isn't dehumanizing them.
Like who you are lady gaga.
Well that was a whole lot of nothing.