One theory for the answer to the Fermi Paradox - why haven't we seen any signs of extraterrestrial life - is that every time an intelligent form of life emerges, it quickly develops the ability to transcend the boundaries of space and time as we understand them. So maybe we're just minnows in a little tidal pool, oblivious to higher dimensions of existence where the big fish have all gone.
It doesn't even have to be that extreme. Consider how massive space is. And consider how we try to detect other species (largely looking for intentionally transmitted radio waves at the moment). In order to detect a species, let's say 1000 ly away, that would mean they would have had to be at a phase of development 1000 years ago where they were sending out regular radio transmissions. If they were less advanced than that 1000 years ago, we would not detect them yet, even if they've reached that level of development by now. If they were more advanced 1000 years ago, then they may have already moved past radio as a major means of communication and may have moved onto some form we have not yet developed or started looking for. Same for a species 500 ly away... they'd had to have been regularly sending radio signals 500 years ago. Less or more developed, we would not detect them. Etc, etc. It's not as simple as just searching for radio waves, and assuming lack of them means no civilizations. We have to account for the fact those civilizations would have to have been at a certain level of technology that we are looking for a set amount of time ago based on their distance from Earth. That makes it that much less likely that we'll be able to detect other civilizations on other planets using our current methods, even if the universe turns out to be full of them. And even if other civilizations are out there, and even if they were at a similar level to our current one that amount of time (per distance) ago, it's possible that they came up with other methods of communication besides radio transmissions that we are not searching for or able to detect.
Maybe all planets are similar to ours, evolution, mentality, etc. When you reach a much more advanced level, you become aware of why it was necessary for the respective planet to go through. So it would be normal for no one to come after us to take us into space, but rather to wait for us to get there. Today, our identity in space would not be Earth, but rather seven continents that work each for themselves, and not all united.
It was actually a little bit freaky when i first watched this episode,in the middle i just remembered the episode with kelly as god on that planet.. and in the end when she explained it felt like a wtf moment..
Imagine how far scientific and technological advancements can go if given unlimited time and resources to mankind. How far away do you think we are from this?
I like the first advanced ones they met the fist time...they were polite and very descriptive and they were just there to tell them they were okay...this one is just condescending
Similar to most Chinese Light Novels, MC become stronger, shed off emotions, just pure logic and no attachment to the mortal world. However, after thousands upon thousands of years of watching Dynasties change, generations of mortal grow and die, MC treat mortals like ANTS, which literally most LN ended up with. Becoming Fairies or Divine Being just no longer mortal, so the sense of superiority show all the time.
Except for two problems... 1) It's just a human in make-up...so there's no possible way they could act out something so utterly alien, perfectly accurately. Nevertheless, she overall did an excellent job. 2) No matter what the scenario, humans and their equivalents would take it all personally and see smugness anyway even if it's not actually present. Perhaps, even especially if it's not actually present. Humans will just imagine whatever they believe should be true, even when it's empirically not the case, or even impossible.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Body language, tone and choice of words, probably its intended. Reastically a hyperadvanced species should be morre aware of this, but they come across as "We know we sound a little condescending but we do not really care". Do not misunderstand me overall they still appear to be benevolent, seeing humans like children with potential, but they are pretty snippy for the sake of humor ^^.
@@casualPhilosophit is still up to perception. Even as we are every single person has a different perception even if minutely so. What one sees as smug another can see as confidence, and yet another could see it as a complex. In the end what we see is a reflection of ourselves.
@@ilyaalister8193 It is up to perception to a certain degree, however we would not claim her to be sad or frightful. The range of meanings expressed in her mannerism is limited. The line about reflection of ourselves pisses me of to be honest, it implies whenever we recognize arrogance we are arrogant ourselves, when in truths our interpretation of the mannerism and signals we associate with arrogance is reflected.
We need more research in these subjects, I wish our society was similar to this shows society so we could just focus on research and exploration, that is what I perceive as the ultimate bliss when we come to inhabit these bodies, even if all the suffering we went through in all our forms was necessary to expand our understanding of self, I can’t yet completely observe everything without biases. Even when I’m aware of so many of my biases that doesn’t mean I can simply get rid of them, I found that “road” that has been mentioned by many and all I can do is sit down and let “it” take me at it’s own pace. Being able to observe while being aware of where you are right now is so humbling, but sometimes so humbling that you miss it. I know that right now I need to be able to take “that” and put it in my body because right now I’m holding too much of “that” on my hands, but despite my awareness of the present reality I still struggle. I’ve always had a little feeling that yearns for formlessness, and I think the fact that I have that feeling is exactly why I am “This” thisness.
The perfection of our imperfection is that we will always have good work to do. We will always be employed. "All the art of living lies in a fine mingling of letting go and holding on." ~ Henry Ellis My own desires; to not always be distracted by nonsense, my own as well as that of others. On the other hand it does make life more interesting.
I still want Patrick Stewart to show up as a Union admiral, but make him the polar opposite of Picard, basically make him Avery from Family guy who was also voiced by Patrick Stewart Make him the biggest prick around. it would be hilarious
@@VoodooV1What about going the opposite route? Make him a major buffoon (even bigger than season 1 Gordon), who is supposed to be a diplomat but is horrible at his job, and has to be bailed out of making a mess of some negotiation by Ed and Kelly. Kinda show us a contrast to really display how much the Orville crew has grown since their first mission together.
It's plainly indefensible to cause pain and fear, to hurt someone, solely for the sake of gratification. Anyone who fails to understand that is a long way from enlightenment.
I’m convinced is god is real he’s just a advanced being (an evolved being) with superior technology that seems like magic to us because we don’t understand how it works
The difference is in what everyone calls eugenics. In our world, when the idea first came about, it could only be acted on through things like forced sterilization, execution, and strictly regulated selective breeding. Now, we're at a point where not only is none of that necessary, it's counterproductive. Instead, we can use a variety of genetic modification procedures to change everyone's DNA directly. Nobody needs to be sterilized, nobody needs to be killed, and any mating pair can produce any child they want. If there are flaws, or missing desired improvements, we can just add them. Until, eventually, we hit the pile of combinations that ultimately prevent all the flaws and maintain all the improvements with no more active interference. Nobody gets hurt, everyone benefits.
@@catsupchutney Never said they weren't effective methods, just that there are others that are faster, safer, and more effective these days, in the long-term.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 That's an ideal scenarios, but reality is millions upon millions to get hurt. Before 2020, in Chy na, there was a presentation about genetic manipulation to create "better" future, even Jack Ma talked about it in discussion with Elon Musk. Then the collection of biggest DNA databank in Chy na and 2020 happened.
Whenever there are higher intelligences or godlike beings in these Star Trek universes, their first instinct is always to dick around with our main characters. Gods are jerks.
Why can't I get to see Season 3 of The Orville? I'm "old school" and want to buy them on DVD or Blu-Ray format. I can't seem to find them for sale. (already bought seasons 1 & 2 a couple of years ago) :(
She likely chose to represent herself in a form that The Orville could comprehend. Their race is likely comprised of pure energy/uploaded into a digital consciousness by this point, bearing no physical form in their natural state.
'You've evolved 50,000 years?' what is that supposed to mean? Is she asking whether the race has evolved in 50,000 years? This is a bit like the infamous 'search for habitable life' in The Black Hole.
It is a very pretty and pleasing scene. As an actress you are commended for a good total performance. The teachings of several exitentialists over the last 3000 years have all come to similar conclusions. You can't experience true forms without dieing to yourself. You must leave yourself and your material familiarity behind to experience any elevation of true form. Socrates, Buddha, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus, Peter, Paul and John all said many of the very same things the actress uttered here. It is fun to see atheist and materialist writers and producers come full circle to state the things that people and movements of the past, that these very writers mocked relentlessly, have taught.
No...they didn't. But I guess it's a good thing you interpreted it that way? Though, your misinterpretation is so huge that it makes me wonder if you've actually ever read the Bible at all...or if your reading comprehension is somehow just that bad.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 "If you want to follow Him, you will have to die to self daily, and by dying, you actually live." (Luke, words of Jesus) “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way...". (Matthew, words of Jesus) Buddha: Understanding where, and why, it all goes horribly wrong because of: Your ego's desire to be in control, Your ego usurping the role of your higher self, Your ego disconnecting you from your true source of power. The two phrases dying to self & dropping the ego are Christian and Buddhist expressions of the same fundamental truth - the need to correct the inbuilt, hardwired tendency to assume that everything revolves around "me". Marcus Aurelius: "Think of yourself as dead. You have lived your life. Now, take what's left and live it properly. What doesn't transmit light creates its own darkness." If you're going to critique a book you should read it first. As the actress said: Get over yourself. ..... and your own dark biases.
@@STho205 I have read a great many books. Quite certainly more than you have. I just know what I am, and know why your kind draw the deeply warped conclusions that you do. Your the kind that would proclaim it's our "humanity" alone that can make us good people, when the truth is that every "evil" ever in all of history is caused by our "humanity." No evil was ever done as a result of logic alone. Its your feelings that perpetuate things like what you call evil. The difference is that I don't go looking for wisdom elsewhere. I go looking for knowledge, with the caveat that it may not be accurate, and that I have the methodology needed to reasonably make that determination. I don't just assume something to be "wise" because of when it was written, who wrote it, or what it's topic is. It works or it doesn't, in whatever manner it is or is not concordant with reality. And it's so regardless of my perspective, or existing knowledge, or that of the likes of you...and most of all regardless of who wrote it or why. You just enjoy finding what you want to find. You're a coward. Which is all faith ever is. Hiding under imaginary covers, from made-up bogeymen.
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One theory for the answer to the Fermi Paradox - why haven't we seen any signs of extraterrestrial life - is that every time an intelligent form of life emerges, it quickly develops the ability to transcend the boundaries of space and time as we understand them. So maybe we're just minnows in a little tidal pool, oblivious to higher dimensions of existence where the big fish have all gone.
It doesn't even have to be that extreme. Consider how massive space is. And consider how we try to detect other species (largely looking for intentionally transmitted radio waves at the moment).
In order to detect a species, let's say 1000 ly away, that would mean they would have had to be at a phase of development 1000 years ago where they were sending out regular radio transmissions. If they were less advanced than that 1000 years ago, we would not detect them yet, even if they've reached that level of development by now. If they were more advanced 1000 years ago, then they may have already moved past radio as a major means of communication and may have moved onto some form we have not yet developed or started looking for.
Same for a species 500 ly away... they'd had to have been regularly sending radio signals 500 years ago. Less or more developed, we would not detect them.
Etc, etc.
It's not as simple as just searching for radio waves, and assuming lack of them means no civilizations. We have to account for the fact those civilizations would have to have been at a certain level of technology that we are looking for a set amount of time ago based on their distance from Earth. That makes it that much less likely that we'll be able to detect other civilizations on other planets using our current methods, even if the universe turns out to be full of them. And even if other civilizations are out there, and even if they were at a similar level to our current one that amount of time (per distance) ago, it's possible that they came up with other methods of communication besides radio transmissions that we are not searching for or able to detect.
Maybe all planets are similar to ours, evolution, mentality, etc. When you reach a much more advanced level, you become aware of why it was necessary for the respective planet to go through. So it would be normal for no one to come after us to take us into space, but rather to wait for us to get there.
Today, our identity in space would not be Earth, but rather seven continents that work each for themselves, and not all united.
Huh!
That would mean aliens have seen us all Jack off.
@brch2 my thoughts EXACTLY.
It was actually a little bit freaky when i first watched this episode,in the middle i just remembered the episode with kelly as god on that planet.. and in the end when she explained it felt like a wtf moment..
Same. I was confused how all of them knew Dinal, but then they mentioned the Kelly God episode and then it made sense.
She is one beautiful evolved entity.
I love the saying "Evolution is blind and drunk"
Imagine how far scientific and technological advancements can go if given unlimited time and resources to mankind. How far away do you think we are from this?
Very very far.
Some of us are closer than others and thats part of the problem
We haven't even left the starting line
@@adolphgracius9996 yes we did.
@@alexiachimciuc3199 be fair though, it can certainly feel that way at times
I like the first advanced ones they met the fist time...they were polite and very descriptive and they were just there to tell them they were okay...this one is just condescending
Which episode ?
@@michaelghggnot sure but it was when Kelly made her self a god by accident 😅I think one of the first 3 episodes of season 2
Similar to most Chinese Light Novels, MC become stronger, shed off emotions, just pure logic and no attachment to the mortal world.
However, after thousands upon thousands of years of watching Dynasties change, generations of mortal grow and die, MC treat mortals like ANTS, which literally most LN ended up with.
Becoming Fairies or Divine Being just no longer mortal, so the sense of superiority show all the time.
Fun fact: Seth McFarlane and Elizabeth Gillies have recorded multiple jazz albums together. She has a fantastic voice.
She does appear to have quite a set of lungs
A hyper evolved being couldn’t lose one character flaw…smugness.
Except for two problems...
1) It's just a human in make-up...so there's no possible way they could act out something so utterly alien, perfectly accurately. Nevertheless, she overall did an excellent job.
2) No matter what the scenario, humans and their equivalents would take it all personally and see smugness anyway even if it's not actually present. Perhaps, even especially if it's not actually present. Humans will just imagine whatever they believe should be true, even when it's empirically not the case, or even impossible.
I would not even begin to call that smugness.
Hubris.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Body language, tone and choice of words, probably its intended. Reastically a hyperadvanced species should be morre aware of this, but they come across as "We know we sound a little condescending but we do not really care". Do not misunderstand me overall they still appear to be benevolent, seeing humans like children with potential, but they are pretty snippy for the sake of humor ^^.
@@casualPhilosophit is still up to perception. Even as we are every single person has a different perception even if minutely so. What one sees as smug another can see as confidence, and yet another could see it as a complex. In the end what we see is a reflection of ourselves.
@@ilyaalister8193 It is up to perception to a certain degree, however we would not claim her to be sad or frightful. The range of meanings expressed in her mannerism is limited. The line about reflection of ourselves pisses me of to be honest, it implies whenever we recognize arrogance we are arrogant ourselves, when in truths our interpretation of the mannerism and signals we associate with arrogance is reflected.
When we cross AI + Jade West we get Dinal, thought she would have more of a temper 😁
We need more research in these subjects, I wish our society was similar to this shows society so we could just focus on research and exploration, that is what I perceive as the ultimate bliss when we come to inhabit these bodies, even if all the suffering we went through in all our forms was necessary to expand our understanding of self, I can’t yet completely observe everything without biases. Even when I’m aware of so many of my biases that doesn’t mean I can simply get rid of them, I found that “road” that has been mentioned by many and all I can do is sit down and let “it” take me at it’s own pace.
Being able to observe while being aware of where you are right now is so humbling, but sometimes so humbling that you miss it. I know that right now I need to be able to take “that” and put it in my body because right now I’m holding too much of “that” on my hands, but despite my awareness of the present reality I still struggle. I’ve always had a little feeling that yearns for formlessness, and I think the fact that I have that feeling is exactly why I am “This” thisness.
The perfection of our imperfection is that we will always have good work to do. We will always be employed.
"All the art of living lies in a fine mingling
of letting go and holding on."
~ Henry Ellis
My own desires; to not always be distracted by nonsense, my own as well as that of others. On the other hand it does make life more interesting.
Bro wanna be Outer god
If there's ever be an "Orville" S4, who wants to see a cross-over meeting between Dilal and a certain immortal being played by John de Lancie? 🖖
I still want Patrick Stewart to show up as a Union admiral, but make him the polar opposite of Picard, basically make him Avery from Family guy who was also voiced by Patrick Stewart Make him the biggest prick around. it would be hilarious
@@VoodooV1What about going the opposite route? Make him a major buffoon (even bigger than season 1 Gordon), who is supposed to be a diplomat but is horrible at his job, and has to be bailed out of making a mess of some negotiation by Ed and Kelly. Kinda show us a contrast to really display how much the Orville crew has grown since their first mission together.
I have seen this scene more then 30 times I love it
It's plainly indefensible to cause pain and fear, to hurt someone, solely for the sake of gratification. Anyone who fails to understand that is a long way from enlightenment.
😂. We do it now
i see her outfit of shimering light and it just screams...... This is the Original TRON - Evolved.
I LOVE her eyeliner 😂
It's Fallon Carrington.
I think you mean Jade West.
^ I had no idea Liz was in the show🤯
Yes, just for this episode. ❤
I’m convinced is god is real he’s just a advanced being (an evolved being) with superior technology that seems like magic to us because we don’t understand how it works
If that's true, who created God, and who created technology for God to use? XD
Wtf the Orville literally just created a race even more powerful than the Forerunners from Halo by the looks of it 😂
She has a knack for playing characters without eyebrows
What happens when you take eugenics to its ultimate end, treated as a crime in Star Trek but treated as a benevolent thing in the Orville
The difference is in what everyone calls eugenics.
In our world, when the idea first came about, it could only be acted on through things like forced sterilization, execution, and strictly regulated selective breeding.
Now, we're at a point where not only is none of that necessary, it's counterproductive. Instead, we can use a variety of genetic modification procedures to change everyone's DNA directly.
Nobody needs to be sterilized, nobody needs to be killed, and any mating pair can produce any child they want. If there are flaws, or missing desired improvements, we can just add them. Until, eventually, we hit the pile of combinations that ultimately prevent all the flaws and maintain all the improvements with no more active interference.
Nobody gets hurt, everyone benefits.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Iceland virtually wiped out Down Syndrome using old fashioned 20th century methods.
@@catsupchutney Never said they weren't effective methods, just that there are others that are faster, safer, and more effective these days, in the long-term.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 That's an ideal scenarios, but reality is millions upon millions to get hurt.
Before 2020, in Chy na, there was a presentation about genetic manipulation to create "better" future, even Jack Ma talked about it in discussion with Elon Musk.
Then the collection of biggest DNA databank in Chy na and 2020 happened.
wow... shes super pretty...
So essentially, this is the Orvilles version of "The Que" from Star Trek TNG
Just “Q”, but yes, pretty much… albeit a race we saw advance rather than those who became omnipresent beings eons prior to the series.
Can you imagine if it were the Q from All Tomorrows 😮
Whenever there are higher intelligences or godlike beings in these Star Trek universes, their first instinct is always to dick around with our main characters. Gods are jerks.
Ofc liz gillies is featured in an episode of a show part run by McFarland himself lmaoo I love their friendship
Oh my gosh Fallon
Why can't I get to see Season 3 of The Orville? I'm "old school" and want to buy them on DVD or Blu-Ray format. I can't seem to find them for sale. (already bought seasons 1 & 2 a couple of years ago) :(
Sadly the third Season aka “New Horizon” is exclusively on Hulu
Such high tech being, with so low VFX effect lol
I thought the same thing 😂
She likely chose to represent herself in a form that The Orville could comprehend. Their race is likely comprised of pure energy/uploaded into a digital consciousness by this point, bearing no physical form in their natural state.
She looks like she is from Tron
Fun fact: That's MacFarlane's sister. She plays Haley Smith in American Dad! as well.
No, this is Liz Gillies.
Which is breaking my brain a little cause I do hear Haley here
so it was all a lie. They were not evolved but tricked the captain and whole crew.
She said. Idol playing.
This reminds me of the show Pantheon, season 2
WHAT!! I didn't know it was her
How would Fallon have been seen if her next-next-life. That sarcasm cannot take my mind off Fallon's
'You've evolved 50,000 years?' what is that supposed to mean? Is she asking whether the race has evolved in 50,000 years? This is a bit like the infamous 'search for habitable life' in The Black Hole.
50,000 years of cultural and technological evolution and they still have vocal fry.
Ok look at that a god. Great.
Taking a tip from Tappei I see...
The Orville did Starfield first it seems.
01:49 Soooo... they're eugenicists.
Gene splicers maybe.
It is a very pretty and pleasing scene. As an actress you are commended for a good total performance.
The teachings of several exitentialists over the last 3000 years have all come to similar conclusions. You can't experience true forms without dieing to yourself. You must leave yourself and your material familiarity behind to experience any elevation of true form. Socrates, Buddha, Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus, Peter, Paul and John all said many of the very same things the actress uttered here.
It is fun to see atheist and materialist writers and producers come full circle to state the things that people and movements of the past, that these very writers mocked relentlessly, have taught.
No...they didn't. But I guess it's a good thing you interpreted it that way? Though, your misinterpretation is so huge that it makes me wonder if you've actually ever read the Bible at all...or if your reading comprehension is somehow just that bad.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979
"If you want to follow Him, you will have to die to self daily, and by dying, you actually live." (Luke, words of Jesus)
“If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way...". (Matthew, words of Jesus)
Buddha: Understanding where, and why, it all goes horribly wrong because of:
Your ego's desire to be in control,
Your ego usurping the role of your higher self,
Your ego disconnecting you from your true source of power.
The two phrases dying to self & dropping the ego are Christian and Buddhist expressions of the same fundamental truth - the need to correct the inbuilt, hardwired tendency to assume that everything revolves around "me".
Marcus Aurelius: "Think of yourself as dead. You have lived your life. Now, take what's left and live it properly. What doesn't transmit light creates its own darkness."
If you're going to critique a book you should read it first. As the actress said: Get over yourself.
..... and your own dark biases.
@@STho205 I have read a great many books. Quite certainly more than you have. I just know what I am, and know why your kind draw the deeply warped conclusions that you do.
Your the kind that would proclaim it's our "humanity" alone that can make us good people, when the truth is that every "evil" ever in all of history is caused by our "humanity." No evil was ever done as a result of logic alone. Its your feelings that perpetuate things like what you call evil.
The difference is that I don't go looking for wisdom elsewhere. I go looking for knowledge, with the caveat that it may not be accurate, and that I have the methodology needed to reasonably make that determination. I don't just assume something to be "wise" because of when it was written, who wrote it, or what it's topic is.
It works or it doesn't, in whatever manner it is or is not concordant with reality. And it's so regardless of my perspective, or existing knowledge, or that of the likes of you...and most of all regardless of who wrote it or why.
You just enjoy finding what you want to find. You're a coward. Which is all faith ever is. Hiding under imaginary covers, from made-up bogeymen.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 bless your heart.
It’s sounds boring to live for ever, that’s why Q likes to tees Captain Picard and the Enterprise Crew for entertainment
And eugenics has such a bad rap in our society...
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