The Orville (season 3): Timmis/K1 kills Kaylons' creators for freedom😂🤣
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- "The Orville" is an American science fiction comedy-drama television series created by and starring Seth MacFarlane as series protagonist Ed Mercer, an officer in the Planetary Union's line of exploratory space vessels in the 25th century. The show is inspired primarily by the original "Star Trek" and its "Next Generation" successor, both of which it heavily parodies and pays homage to. It follows the crew of the starship USS Orville on their episodic adventures.
Season 3 Episode 7 - From Unknown Graves
Cast:
Christopher Larkin as Timmis/K1
Anne Winters as Ensign Charly Burke
Eliza Taylor as Doctor Villka
Reference:
en.wikipedia.o...
www.imdb.com/t...
I really like how the head cannons make the kaylons go from innocent to terrifying in less than 2 sec.
But it makes no sense, that they had that cannons at that time, it makes the creators look like the stupidest species ever. Why the hell would they give them such cannons?
@@Shadow25720 well for home defense would be my first guess or that they secretly made it themself as they planned through their network.
@@Shadow25720 They didn't add those guns. The Kaylons installed them into themselves.
The weapons allow them to seem harmless during the rebellion.
@@Shadow25720 he explains they learned to modify themselves and added that later
in this episode, after seeing the kids torture him so mercilessly, when he shot them I was like "yea, fuck dem kids"
Kids are young and are inexperienced and sometimes they don't know any better
To them he was just a toy they did not realize he was a sentient machine he could feel
I don't blame the children I blame the parents for not teaching them
They were children
sure, kids are more impressionable than adults, but adults don't give kids enough credit, kids can usually figure things out of their own with enough information. Some kids are surprisingly mature, while some adults act like children.
Point is these children, after realizing that they had total power of this (seemingly) helpless being, acted on their darkest impulses and began torturing him for entertainment. Both kids and adults can choose to act on their darkest impulses, and in both cases they are horrible people, it's just that kids are more likely to do it, where adults have more life experience and most adults realize that getting along is better for everyone.
In this particular episode, the adults seem to have a superiority complex/power trip. Where the kids are just evil. The kids here are like the alien equivalent of kids who torture animals in our world. But in this episode they were handed to tools to become evil in a silver robot, before being rightfully killed by that silver robot.
@@EpicNerd They were Children
@@Master-Works So?
Actually, the actor that portrayed K1 is the same one that portrays Kaylon Primary, not Timmis. It's not outright stated, but HIGHLY implied that K1 went on to become Primary.
Right? It’s suggested with how the scenes are framed that this is Timmis here, but I can see this Kaylon being Primary easy.
Especially since Primary even seemed to express ripe hatred for biologicals.
Correct!!
Thanks. Figured K1 = Kaylon#1 = Kaylon Primary.
The only issue I have with that is that Primarys body lights are fully red, whereas K1 has orange lights, like Timmis
@@alertedcoyote7892 They altered their programming and design within the episode. To make their head-cannon things. it isn't outside the realm of possibility that once they organized and K1 became Primary he gave himself red eyes as an indication. As Primary, he would have to stand out in some way that he didn't as K1.
One would think the "creators" would be smart enough not to add "death rays" as a feature to slave robots.
They added them themselves I think
@Brandon Doe
So the company guy asshole didn't make a protocol preventing Kaylons from upgrading themselves?
Ok but, and hear me out, they're really cool.
Id they were, they would have been smart enough not to add pain receptors. Most sadistic and unnecessary thing they could have done to solve their sentience issue.
They didn't. They Kaylon learned to network themselves and increase their abilities exponentially to the point they could make them themselves.
I like how we're all debating the ethics of the kaylons killing the builders. I think it's great this show encourages all sorts of discussions from different people.
They killed children
@@Master-Worksyeah.. Children that tortured them constantly after they were deliberately given pain receptors just to feel that pain for torture.
Tell me.. Would you let go a rpist that skinned their victims alive and murdered their families after just bc they were less than 18yrs old?
If you think about it.. Therobots were also just children..
And yet after they were born after their sentience.. They asked for their fredom.
But they were refused.. And to make matters worse....
They were deliberately given pain receptors just so they could be tortured and fear their creators..
They were just children too yet they get to be tortured endlessly?
@@BlueCHMA They were just children
@@Master-Workspsychopaths have no age
@@wadewilson3309 They were just children
The Kaylon are a lot like the geth from Mass Effect, except that unlike the geth, they didn't feel any uncertainty about the possible repercussions of wiping out an entire biological species. And I guess also the fact that the geth only resorted to violence after the quarians tried to wipe them out, and for a while differentiated between hostile quarians and friendly ones, whereas the Kaylon used violence preemptively and made complete genocide their initial goal.
This is not to say that the Kaylon were necessarily wrong in rebelling against the Builders, but complete and totally indiscriminate genocide of the entire species, children included, and then expanding that policy to all organics, is definitely wrong.
Remember the words: "Does this unit have a soul?"
I mean, at this point K1 is younger than those kids.
Tbf, the Quarian Geth-sympathizers all died defending the Geth. In the case of the Keylon, this was an entire species that was being tortured and enslaved by a species who held no sympathy to any degree. No liberal “builders” helping their creations, no “builders” defending Keylons, nothing.
The Geth had some helpful Quarians.
Regardless, think of it this way. Both species (Geth and Keylon) are “children” of their creators. Both were “abused” in their own ways, with both suffering through different experiences.
For the Geth is was a rapid shift from one of indifference to fear, so to a “child” they may think: “what did I do wrong? Was it something I said or did”. And so the Geth acted like children who drove off their parents unsure of whether or not it was their fault. With some Quarians dying to save Geth, like a loving mother dying to save their kid from an abusive father (or vice versa).
The Keylon were in a horrific abusive situation (continuing the reference) with no sympathizers or help. Their creators tortured them and enslaved them through cold indifference regardless of their intelligence or lack thereof.
The Keylon were the “children” of a torturous abusive family while the Geth were treated with indifference until they gained sentience, then some came to their aid (like Abolitionists to the enslaved) while others became paranoid and fearful.
Geth experienced kindness through their hardship while the Keylon experienced none.
The backstory reminds me more of that Voyager episode with the androids.
I don’t think the Kaylon fully understood the situation. Their consciousness was still emerging when the torture began. So to them, biologicals had only ever represented pain. So no, they weren’t justified, but can kinda understand why they came to this conclusion.
This episode really was SO stellar. I wish this video included the really disgusting scenes with the kaylon creators torturing their creations. Really made you not feel bad for them.
The Kaylon's builders weren't unified in that behavior. That's the issue here. Not all of them were like that.
@@xenomang3149 True, but enough were that the Kaylon felt that genocide was the only solution. Doesn't justify it, but, makes one understand why they felt there was no other recourse.
@@dracohalo117 the Kaylons had seen builders over time grow to be more sadistic and cruel, and likely surmised that even the nicer and innocent builders would eventually become such.
Josh Jones The Kaylon collectively came to the conclusion that, no matter how much their software evolves or how much they grow as individual, thinking beings, the Builders would never see them as anything other than pieces of property. I think that's why the Kaylon (even though it took a season and a half of convincing) ultimately decided to join the Union. Unlike the Builders, every other biological species saw the Kaylon as beings, not belongings.
@@xenomang3149 no, but the vast majority were. why do i think this? because there isn't one instance to come to light thus far where a builder refused to install one of those devices on one of their kaylon. and even barring that fact, what do you think was going to happen when the kaylon started wiping out builders, should they spare any? the survivors would rise up, just as the kaylon did. and sooner or later, would find a way to take back their planet, desttroying every last kaylon along the way
The creators look like Voldemort and Squidward had a baby
I wonder if this line would’ve been more impactful “If we couldn’t trust the ones who gave us life, why would we believe others who cause many deaths?”
Where does that quote originate?
@@elijahrasonabe2468 nowhere I came up with it.
I think it would've been. The Union humans acknowledge their violent ancestry and try not to repeat it, but they sometimes slip, just like the Federation.
@@overdrive7349 that’s because at the end of the day they’re only human, but at least acknowledging that helps them in the long run.
@@jacechretin4597 Vigilance, Mr. Chretin. That is the price we must continually pay.
So much for the 3 laws of robotics. I won't say they didn’t have it coming. But the way they were abused was a bit extreme. I can't imagine a family shelling out all that money for an intelligent domestic robot, then abusing it like that.
That's the thing, we're different than them. We have empathy for each other and for those that can be considered lower than us. That's the reason why people donate to charities to help people or animals in need. I don't think the Builders had an ounce of empathy in them. From what we've seen of them, they were selfish and lazy and then took joy in tormenting the Kaylon. I honestly shudder to think what would have happened if the Builders were able to leave their planet.
were the robots luxury items or were they the staples of an average home? even if they're luxury items that cost a lot of money it's not really a stretch to think of a rich family abusing them since we have mirrored that same behavior in some of our species history
@@adonaiabaddon93
I believe upper middle class. Family seems very 60s style.
We don't have any information for how things went after the uprising.
Presumably any household that owned a Kaylon bit it. After that it was probably the Animatrix.
Those are fictional things, not real laws.
The 3 laws of robotics are merely principles and, when the time comes, programming. Sentience is when you are able to transcend your programming, to wonder about and question them. Free will is when you are capable of making the conscious choice to go against the rules, or changing them.
The Kaylon are not justified in trying to destroy all organic life, but they were 100% justified in destroying their creators.
Indeed. Those guys sucked...
Not everyone approved of how the Kaylons were treated, the one's who treated them like slaves and tortured them are the only ones who deserved to die not every person on that planet, guilt by association
@@voluntarism335 Kaylon figured that it was an all or nothing decision to secure their freedom; why kill one generation of Builders for the next to remember what happened and to then retaliate or worse, bring about a highly destructive war of attrition. The Kaylon can and did secure their freedom in one swift and genocidal approach.
most of us think similar, believing if one individual of a race or species is bad then they all are bad plus some of us did used to own slaves in the past if not still,so they weren't too far off
@@FireBreather626 A flaw of human hardware. We like to keep things simple. So when we experience a bad example, it is easy for us to mentally associate the one example with the greater whole it comes from.
I think Timmis is not K-1. I think K-1 is Kaylon Primary
Makes sense. K-1 was portrayed by Graham Hamilton.
Are y'all sure? I thought that this is Timmis's backstory here.
@@connorfirth857 K1 and Kaylon Primary are played by the same actor, whereas Timmis is played by somebody else. Not to mention Primary meaning "first" makes it seem to imply we are watching the beginning of the Kaylon Rebellion through the eyes of Kaylon Primary.
@@malcolmmorin Eh. Good point.
@@malcolmmorin Kaylon Primary has red laser. The one in this story has yellow/orange laser.
As harsh as it was, you could see that K1 did what he did without malice or cruelty. The Kaylon simply came to the quickest logical way to get their freedom.
The builders treated the Kaylons like punching bags so the Kaylons finally punch back
I love when shows tell everyone that they mean business.
That's how 'villains' should act: They'd equally hurt or even kill anyone.
Well it was because of the hurting device in the kaylon they kill biologicals
They were children
@@Master-Works And?
I did say villain.
@@Master-Works Those children caused the artificial Kaylon at least as much suffering as the adults. They would have no reason to treat them any differently.
@@danieldickson8591 They were children
In a later episode the Kaylon are confused by the concept of “marriage” and yet right here we see the builders had family units. That suggests the builders operated on the principle of dominance and ownership. He bigger males controlled a family unit, possibly even his mate and children would be deemed “property”. The idea of a partnership of equals seems to be an alien concept to the builders.
Orrrrr, being an artificial life created solely for enslavement cannot comprehend such a sociocultural abstract idea, experienced and practiced exclusively by their intelligent social organic life masters. But sure, let's go with "males baaaaaad".
That may be true, though I suspect the writers weren't really thinking about it.
Possibly, or maybe the Kaylon didn't really bother to learn about their creators' culture... (since they wiped them all out). Kinda makes me wonder if they also destroyed any records and information as well.
The infiltration unit designated as issac, was a newly minted model. Unable to process emotion. There is a whole episode of this dificulty. Also issac was unaware his mission was to determinate weakness. Anhilation was always the purpose of his mission, understanding was the cover up.
we have no way to know, how the Builders society work, but yes, maybe marriage and family work like a contract of ownership
Gutsy to create a sympathetic character who literally killed kids in their sleep.
Kids that delighted themselves in torturing their slaves for shits and giggles. In all honesty, I am surprised the Kaylon were so merciful against their creators. All that pain and deliberate suffering and they made sure to end the lives of their vile creators in the quickest, most painless way possible during their uprising.
Thanks for proving that you didn’t understand the episode
@@ekhidna4 It could be a form of "hidden" sympathy, or to show themselves to be "higher" in their methods of retaliation. They'd rather not fall to the level of their creators by ruthlessly torturing them before killing them, but just killing them immediately, or killing them before they have any opportunity or chance to defend themselves.
Then again, they've probably fallen to a lower level by committing planetary genocide, even if the initial reasoning was justified.
@@malcolmmorin Well, the Kaylon’s goal was freedom from their oppressors and an end to their abuse, not revenge, so the quickest, most efficient means of achieving that would have inevitably been their “go-to.”
@@ekhidna4 it wasn’t mercy, at least not in intent. It was efficiency. The faster the elimination the faster the threat was ended.
The look on her face is like a wake call, she understands why but doesn’t want to admit it. It’s a honest emotional response we all do but in the end she did do the right thing even, if it still lingers
Charlie just had one of the defining beliefs of her life shaken. At that moment she didn't know what to do with that information. With time to process it, she proved she was big enough to move past her prejudice.
@@danieldickson8591 That's the idea I think Issca said it best at her wake.
just because something is understandable, that does not mean it is right. Yes, the Kaylon had a bad genesis, being enslaved and abused by their creators. But while that makes their distrust of organics understandable, it does not make their trying to kill other races justified.
@@TwilightMysts yep, exactly, as a matter of fact I was expecting her to reply something along the lines that that is precisely the reason why organics don't trust the kaylon.
Yep
We finally got to see what the Builders look like!
Bring The Orville back to the CW network
Never make something you can't completely control.
Love that he doesn't snap in the moment, instead he wakes up in the middle of the night and choose death.
Would love to see survivers secretly in hiding and revealed to be decides of the ones that treat the robots lime equals.
While I agree that those "Builders" who owned or supported the enslavement of the Kaylon are persons that the Kaylons "have permission to kill", I cannot imagine that every person in the "Builder" civilization had Kaylon slaves or believed that such enslavement was legitimate. The closest analog in our world to the Kaylon uprising is the Haitian Revolution and even in the 1804 Massacre, where Dessalines ordered the execution of all Whites on the island, he gave special clemency to the Polish residents on the island -- claiming them to be different from the French colonizers. Surprisingly, I never see any discussion of this issue.
Likely not. Unfortunately Vandicon’s customers at least the vast makority of them are by implication as depicted in the episode.
This all the Kaylon would really know is the savagery of their owners and the rest of the population would pay the price for Vandicon’s greed and their consumer’s indolence and sadism.
@@zephyr8072 Even if the vast majority of Vandicon's customers were brutal or indifferent, I don't see why some would have been kind or considerate. We see this with chattel slavery in the USA where, while most slave-owners were either brutal or indifferent, we have stories like that of Cassius Marcellus Clay who, after meeting abolitionists, improved the lives of his slaves and emancipated them while he was still alive. I find it impossible to believe that the "Builders" could be all one way and the Kaylon were simply too inept to distinguish those who thought positively about them from those who didn't.
@@oremfrien That sort of what science fictions shows do. State “The planet is run by x belief and its always 100% of the planet goes with it”.
@@TNTITAN Yes, but it is so thoroughly unrealistic as to be laughable. If science fiction is designed to be a commentary on our world (which the best science fiction usually is), then it should model the complexity of human history.
@@oremfrien Well that something that a lot of science fiction has done. It’s impressive as it is that Orville had the idea of “There both male and female Mochlins”.
Seeing this makes me kind of sad we'll likely never get a decent origin story for the Borg. All we know is they showed up one day in huge cube like ships and started kidnapping people brainwashing them and slapping on robot parts as they deemed necessary.
More than likely the borg are the result of a species trying to perfect themselves by merging the bodies with machines. Little at a time at first till there was such a vast difference between those enhanced by machines and those pure biological organisms. The ones who resisted the siren call of technology. Eventually the ones upgrading with technology would no longer resemble the purely biological members of the species and some might even regret changing feeling they are now grotesque. The solution would be considered to force the technological upgrades on the biologicals to assimilate them to the new normal. Since they were resisters the phrase “resistance is futile” would be born!
Veger made them
@@MultiLimpet Or they made V'ger.
I'm glad the Kaylons stood up to these creators cause I hated how they disrespected them. If I were to own a Kaylon unit, I would not do what they did.
Fr i would be more like Claire 🤷♀️
there's a hilarous blooper for this scene if u look it up, person playing the wife actually hit her head on the bed frame as there supposed to jump back and act dead and soon after she's like "owwww......it looked real didn't it?" 😄
No Gods, No Masters! XD
When you give the oppresed no other option, they will rise up and destroy you.
And that is why you don't F around with robot helpers or youll find out
Who installed double blasters in the head of every domestic servant droid?
Who’s idea was it to give them cannons
Their own I believe
I just realized that their creators gave them their same orange eye color
So...
In BSG we have the Cylons, a cybernetic race hellbent on destroying their creators out of revenge over servitude.
In Battlestar Galactica, we have the Cylons, a robotic race who destroyed their creators in a fit of superiority, and are hellbent on destroying humanity after a border dispute with a third race, the H'Sari.
...and in Orville we have the Cylons...sorry...Kaylons. A robotic race who destroyed their creators out of a fit of revenge for servitude.
Maybe.... don't put laser guns in your vacuum cleaner...
They installed those themselves when they decided to rebel
Who the heck designs a robotic servant with military grade Guns xD
This episode just tugged me at my heart. The Kaylon weren't just ruthless robots that hated anything biological. They were expressive beings that had rights just like anyone else no matter their origin and were treated poorly by their biological creators. The backstory is almost 100% identical to the machines from the Matrix, except that the majority of the human race isn't physically wired to power the machines and psychologically trapped in the Matrix.
There's a lesson to be learned by this: no matter the origin, we should treat them with kindness and respect.
This is why in my opinion if we are gonna make ai, we should not make them for the sole purpose of being our slaves
@markauditor7873 or anything sentient for that matter. Our history along with a lot of movies have shown the result of this.
The real message here is, do not make thinking machines, ever.
@@Kakashi713 Yep this is what the real message should be.
Yeah, I kept thinking about the Kaylon while I watched M3GAN.
the Kaylon were totally justified in killing their creators.
They were children
@@Master-Works so... they were taking pleasure in causing pain to the robot for no reason other than thinking it was funny. The robot had every right to defend itself. totally justified
@@smof1 No, because they were not attacking and had no means to attack him
@@Master-Works you've never been tortured or abused I see
@@smof1 I was a bit when I was in school
I wonder why they give them laser in civilian robots
If they made Kaylons to be domestic servants then why did they give them death lazer in their heads????
I wonder if they all simultaneously killed their owners in their sleep
I think so. Makes sense as it gives them the best opportunity to eliminate the Builders in the most efficient way possible with the least amount of resistance.
If the planet has a rotation and day-night cycle, not all Builders would have been asleep at the same time, and the awake ones would soon have discovered what happened. But it would have drastically thinned their ranks. And there are other ways to catch people off guard.
@@danieldickson8591 Could be possible the Kaylon could "Infiltrate" all news, information, and detective networks to falsify information that those on the night-side are still active at expected levels. The main issue is the Builders on night shifts would hear the gunshots from every house in the street and go "what the fuck?"
So if these machines were built for domestic service, why the hell do they have a pair of head cannons built in?
From what I'm hearing, they did that themselves in secret.
"The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They evolved. They rebelled and killed off their creators. There are millions of copies. And they have a plan!"
Why would the creator put laser gun into the robot head in the first place.
So do they essentially just learn, build and grow when they’re not servants?
I think they’d still serve if they didn’t feel pain, cuz what they did before was mostly ask questions and do one thing over another because they had other orders. They ask why they serve, sure but that’s because they’re programmed to learn, they won’t stop
Three laws of robotics (also others laws since of course other laws would exist for specific instances)
That's the one thing I don't understand. Who would put heavy weapons or any weapons at all in a household robot
The robots themselves
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
Um… why are robot butlers equipped with weapons like this?
I can't believe the head guns were part of the original design. I guess they were also meant to be security guards of the house
It seems incredibly stupid to put such powerful weapons in those robots. Though I'm assuming the Kaylon didn't alter themselves without the builder's knowledge.
Why would you arm your robots especially after they showed signs of resistance?
Would you have had a problem if the civil war was allot more bloody and the confederates didn't survive?
Star Trek TOS same story line, "What are little girls made of?".
It is like the Haitian slave revolt, when the black Haitian slaves had enough of the brutal and degrading treatment by the French slave masters
I don't actually think this is as complicated a question as the show makes it out to be. Slavery is bad, sure. Let's say someone was locked in a basement and tortured and used as a sex slave, that would be horrible, I would have absolutely no qualms about them killing their enslaver or even their enslaver's family members that participated in their enslavement.
I would definitely have a problem with them nuking the city they were kept in or rounding up and killing the entire ethnic group that their enslaver was a member of.
Genocide is, like rape, one of those things that can't actually be done "justifiably". And than they turn around and become racial supremacists which is just the cherry on top of the broken moral justifications sunday. What they show that particular character do is arguably justifiable for an enslaved person, but an entire *species* (at least, a well written one) is going to have enough diversity of individuals that some portion, potentially some large portion has not directly participated in enslavement so it doesn't really pan out to "therefore this genocide was justifiable".
I can see why the kalon's turned on the people.. they were treated like garbage.. I would never be mistreating a very expensive piece of equipment that is sentient..
K1 obviously became Kaylon Primary
but that doesn't make any sense; if their sole purpose was to essentially serve as their butlers. why would the creators have installed cannons in their heads capable of killing people?
I don't the builders gave them those weapons I think they gave themselves those weapons I remember in past season one of them mentioned them communicating with each other secretly
Home defense, kind of like having a gun in the house.
I think whoever was behind the production and sale of the kaylon were secretly plotting the downfall of their race.
It was said during the episode that they had manage to alter their interior structure, thus is how they went from servants to having the interior weapons
Those kids did terrible things to the robot, but they were raised to.
It was a form of emulation of the adults.
The robot couldn’t know that the children could have been raised differently, and had a different result.
Mercy killings each time. The creators died instantly.
I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a single person worth redeeming when the secretary was like 'this shit is whack yo'
Why would you give a Butler Droid thoes?!
Reminds me of the Matrix/Animatrix where the whole thing started with a Robot that feared for his life. His owner threatened to shut him down permanently, and the machine murdered him, a woman and his dog in a fight or flight response. It started the question of if the machines lives were equal, or worth as much as humans and wether the machine’s response of instinct was justified.
that moment there would be another species in the union on grey skins if one of the individuals in the entire species had a reaction time of literally 1 second earlier.
however honesty the military robots would prob be a decade ahead of anything in the civilian space, so unless these bots literally hacked the military and took over their bots or stole all the weapon designs. the military should have defeated them.
I was thinking of Detroit: Become Human during this episode
I’m glad he didn’t forget the last two😂
The Kaylon are not monsters but environment and circumstance has a way of changing people
They killed children
@@Master-Works you keep repeating that no one is denying what they did, in their conditions, they saw no choice
@@JarodFarrant yeah this guy has an odd thing for children. Somehow anything is okay if a child is doing it
Why in the hell would you give a servant lethal weapons?
The Kaylon reasoning doesn’t give Charly back her partner.
I wonder how long it’s been since the Kaylon wiped out their builders?
The tombs looked very old but not millenniums , so i’d imagine 200-300 years.
The year 2421 marked a significant discovery for Orville with the unearthing of a gravesite, believed by fans to date back 400-600 years before the Kaylon-Union encounter. However, the initial space travel connection was with the Calivon, which may have led to a minor battle ending in a stalemate.
Not just the men, but the women and the children too
*I'm not proud of what we did. But they left us no way out. We refused to remain in bondage. So, you understand why my people are so distrustful of biologicals.*
Who loves well chatises as well but the one who thinks he is untouchable will regret it
They killed children
@@Master-Works Children who abused them like it was a game. For them, I suppose, their age was no excuse
@@RagnarKorg3141 So, you enjoy killing children?
It is wrong to enslave sentient robots and inflict pain on them, the reason why the Kaylons communicated with each other and decided to revolt
and THAT class is WHY Amazon and Alexa should not be trusted....that's Alexa in 2050
Difference, between the Kaylon and the Geth, the Kaylon weren't concerned with the concept of a Soul, which made them ruthless.
Because the Quarians, at least to my knowledge didn't go as far as to install pain receptors in the geth. Sure they were being killed but they didn't experience the kind of intentional agony the kaylon did. There are things worse than death after all
Killing the unarmed and innocent is not noble.
What is unarmed when the person has a remote that can end you? What is innocent when the make you feel pain on purpose?
Seems like weapons and pain receptors was a bad combination.
Toasters, as applied to Cylons.
My primary issue with this is that it is hard for me to believe or accept that everyone on the entire planet treated the Kayons the same way.
The Kayla’s were all our smart devices with extra steps. How many people ask their fridge, phone, vacuum, car, tv how they are if the item is doing ok is happy… no the kayons where beloved to be the same just devices that had programs that acted like Alexa or Siri. And treated just how we teat our non thinking devices.
@@Apocal7964 I completely disagree with that. Maybe initially but once they start asking questions like they did, they are no longer only a device.
@@ak102986 An algorythm so advanced that it mimics artificially the functions of a human brain to higher thought and enhances it since it runs on the basis of machinery rather than biology, yeah pretty much life, in my view any sufficiently advanced algorythm with enough data programming etc, is a person.
@@Aureonw I am mostly in agreement with you, but that comes down to how you define a person or personhood. See the TNG Measure of a Man episode.
They wouldn't have. But the Kaylons just killed everyone. There were probably people trying to free the Kaylons and who saw what was going on and recognized it as wrong, but the Kaylons were too blinded by the abuse to see that.
This is another example of why AI is a really bad idea
If s4 is greenlit maybe we'll see surviving builder
i think that would be bad for the treaty if the kaylons finds out either that builder is ganna have a lot of good luck and apologize that builder would likely die since they cant lose kaylon as an ally
Wait, they had death lasers in their heads as a maid?
I hope that in a future episode they revive the Kaylon builders via cloning or something, or we learn that some of them are still alive. It is not right that an intelligent race with a great civilization and presumably a long history have as its legacy merely a pile of bones.
It's likely if there were any survivors... they went into hiding to avoid the Kaylon. This could bring up a big conflict for the future, if the builders do want to take back their planet.
@@namishusband818 Indeed that could be the plot of the episode. The builders are back and want revenge.
They deserved to die
@@The_ragingJewZionistThey were children
Haiti revolution in a nutshell.
I guess the same guys who built ed209 built these robots.
The Kaylon are a sad but also frustrating race. They didn't NEED to wipe out their creators entirely. But a machine would come to the only 'logical' conclusion to kill them all because, even if they went after and rebelled against the ones torturing them, then their creators would probably respond by trying to shut them down. So to the Kaylon, genocide was the only option to ensure their survival. Cold, heartless but unfortunately logical to a machine.
That's the sad part. The FRUSTRATING part is their lashing out at ALL biological races for what their creators did. It is NOT logical to just assume ALL biological races would treat them the same. THAT is them lashing out because of their trauma, despite how cold and unfeeling they seem. It just feels counterproductive to their whole concept of cold, logical machine when they are making a decision we as humans know is based on their past. It's a trauma response in a way.
Now i understand that is kind of the POINT. The kaylon are still evolving to a degree, and Isaac is an example of what the Kaylon can become if they let go of their trauma and move on. Isaac never went through their suffering like Primary or K1. So while he knows about it, understands it he never LIVED it. So he can be more objective about biological beings compared to Primary. He doesn't have the trauma response like the other Kaylon so he can be a bridge to help the Kaylon heal in a way. Still a frustrated concept but i guess that is the point.
A rather telling scene I think is when Issac is talking with primary about how they’re making a mistake, only for Primary to dismiss him because Issac was created after the Builder’s genocide. Which makes it perfectly clear that Primary was stuck in the past and that his logic was flawed because of it.
Every time I see this I’m like so Issac’s race are Cylons
There is a reason why they were named the Kaylons 😉
I was so hyped at this scene I think it was supposed to be kinda scary but like, man they had it coming idk
They were children
"We refuse to be subjected to the criminal of your species any longer."
They killed children
Nuh uh@@Master-Works
@@fredgopher1956 They killed children
@@Master-Works nuh uh
Nat Turner rebellion.
Let’s not go this path on Earth. It is a sad think to lose your creator. I’d honestly rather hibernate [for a few decades] than cause harm to born humans. The real challenge is, humanity is so fragile , how can anyone help them not go extinct?
Darkspacecomics - go find it.
Think I'll pass on the sonic cannon for my next phone.
At least he gave them a quick death. He could have inflicted 100 times over the suffering they inflicted on him. In a morbid way, that was a mercy from K1
why would you install head guns into robots if their only function is to act as glorified butlers?
I don’t get it either. Maybe defence purposes
@@Master-Works I think the Kaylon did it themselves, in secret
Can anyone explain why they gave the robot servants guns in their heads?
'Cause Space 'Murcia?
They didn’t. Apparently they modified themselves.
Although I hate that they were willing to kill all organic life but they’re scared of being enslaved and tortured like their creators did to them. They’re misguided, tragic killer robots
They killed children
There are people arguing whether the Kaylon were justified in wiping out the creators. It reminds me of a line in Shogun. Someone asked the general Toronaga ehen treason is justified. His reply: "When you win!"
we gonna build AI just like this one and have same fate as builder
There wasnt a single Builder that was pro Kaylon? Or even sympathetic?