I’m honestly perturbed that the Galaxy class never received quantums. One would assume that since they were available during the dominion war, and it was one of the strongest ships of the time that they would have done that retrofit.
They should never have destroyed the Enterprise D in Generations. They should have just refit the galaxy class. The flagship was only seven years old when it was destroyed but they’re still using Excelsior and Miranda class ships from the last century.
Agree. But perhaps it because we didn't saw anymore of her screentime since generation and ds9. But it would be much better if she have them on ST picard last episode.
@@michaelmunsey5660 agree, but that couldn't be helped, since there's already enterprise E waiting on the list. I believe only one 'Enterprise' "official"-ly allowed at one time. Even though she's not destroyed, they may still decommisioned her for the sake of the E. Inspite of that, the end of the D's service duty, didn't represent the class fate. The Galaxy class still serves as starfleet battle group omega primary's "Big Gun" on 2379, during Battle of Bassen Rift, ST Nemesis, in a failed attempt to rendezvous w/ the E to fight the Scimitar. Nevertheless, her end (the D) is for greater good because thanks to that, the D received the honor to make sure that history never forgets the name "Enterprise".
The borg cube is 4km a side and has firepower greater then half the federation starfleet. Its exhaust port is Ray shielded so you'll have to use Quantum Torpedoes which won't arrive until tuesday. It was nice knowing you all. Love how it looks like a Discotech every time you go up against the borg or DS9. Seriously tho THIS is exactly how Season 3 of picard should have gone down. The Enterprise E ( a far mor capable warship) EVEN WITH PICARD KNOWING THE WEAK SPOT had an entire fleet behind him of the Latest and most advanced anti-borg and dominion war refit ships. Picard S3 had...ONE SINGLE Enterprise D returned to original factory specifications (so none of the Anti Borg/Dominion war upgrades) and no backup AND the cube was more like a death star size-wise. It's a ludicrously one-sided battle.
@@jnwestray78 what part soyboy? the part where a single Glaaxy class museum ship (somehow fully stocked with torpedoes) takes out a borg death star through LITERALLY ripping off Star Wars Return fo the Jedi? In all cases Federation vs a Borg Cube on screen we see AN ENTIRE FLEET strugglling or getting masacred outright vs A SINGLE CUBE in a firefight. and at ENDOR the Rebels had a large fleet and space wizards and the Emperor has a Trap that backfired.
This an anachronism. By the time all the original Galaxy frames were built, it was the Dominion War. Most should have been refitted to the DW standard. I think then you would win. With 50% of them in the DW refit. Quantum Torpedoes make all the difference.
Maybe do that in a cloaked ship and just watch, since it seemed to take you out first without touching any of the others! Still not sure they would win, but basically it killed you not all of them.
It always does that for unknown reasons, the AI in STBC is either designed to destroy the player first or the player has higher priority Being in a ship smaller than the others or going on red alert late seems to help?
Crikey I loved it.. I know was an Assimilation Cube and the Ent D.. well the Borg was only firing on you.. that was wicked.. all the ships firing.. wow.. unless.. you fly in the Cube like Data did from within.. hmm.. that would be good to see. loved the battle Captain.. You still did good.. amazing battle.. ! 😊🖖
The way I like to do tests like this is to sit in a cloaked defiant and let the AI decide who wins. That way your ship getting taken out doesnt end the battle.
"According to Star trek Lore, there were 7 Galaxy class starships constructed" I think if you go watch the Dominion Wars in DS9, you will easily be able to count far more than 7 Galaxy Class ships in the huge battles that took place during the re taking of Cardassian space.
True. I meant up until the dominion war era. Gene Roddenberry stated initially there was 6. Then additional ones were constructed. I don’t think there is a completely definitive number. 🖖
From the Deep Space Nine season 6 episode "Sacrifice of Angels" we get a pretty good indication of the massive expansion of Galaxy class shipbuilding from this excerpt from the transcript: "SISKO: It is also an opportunity and we may not get another one. Ensign, have Galaxy wings nine one and nine three engage those destroyers. All other ships, head for that opening. Anyone who gets through doesn't stop until they reach Deep Space Nine. (In they go, Galaxy-class firepower helping make the gap wide enough for the Defiant and her companions.)"
I mean, there were way more of these built during the Dominion war. I think we see a few dozen in total between TNG, various DS9 episodes, and the fleet shot in the final episode of Voyager. So saying that this is every Galaxy that was ever constructed it a bit off base. You're thinking off how many were constructed initially. It's never said anywhere that they never made more.
A disappointing result. The Daystrom Institute calculated your chances of surviving should increase proportional to the cube of the number ships deployed. Obviously, these calculations were galaxies off!
It would be interesting to see if the 13 Galaxies were combined with other starships from Next Gen. Particularly an Excelsior and Miranda for every Galaxy, and a few Nebulas and Ambassadors if the system could handle it? The oft seen, and oft doomed Oberths would likely be just wastes of potential ship slots! Additionally, throwing other ships seen in Next Gen might also be interesting, particularly the Klingons, or Romulan and Cardassian ships if necessary. Clearly, though, Next Gen era tech isn't great against the Borg. Going beyond the Next Gen era, there is also the possibility of using the Galaxy War refit versions. Although, you might have to subtract the fallen Odyssey, Yamato, and the Enterprise D herself. You could add a couple Sovereigns to represent the Sovereign and the Enterprise E, and--and maybe an Odyssey to represent the fallen Odyssey destroyed by the Jem Hadar?
Possible vid idea - every current Galaxy Class type/variant in RE against an Assimilation Cube? The Galaxy MK II, Valentine, Yamamoto-A, Europa, Titan variant, Temporal Galaxy (UniMod I), Venture, etc 😅
Where does it say there are only 13 galaxy class ships? Cause i think there were more then that in the DS9 episode where they were trying to reach the worm hole before they took down the mine field
If you could sperate the saucer from the star drive plus the other ships do the same the outcome might be different cause it had a hard time fighting the star drive and saucer in the episode of the best of both worlds
You were gutted because the Cube was focusing its weapons onto you. Had it more evenly divided its firepower to other ships and you survived longer, you could have potentially destroyed it.
I still have my copy of Star Trek bridge Commander interesting to see how this event Loop unfold but next time if you play this battle you should just let the others Slug It Out with Cube and wear it down to see if they can actually destroy it and come in assisting it not taking heavy fire but I think it's plausible 13 Galaxy class battleships against the Borg Cube it should be manageable Still as the player in the lead ship you should have held back incremental a major damage let your wingman and your fellowships take the brunt and then come back in when your Shields are restored
I do wonder since it's shields aren't very strong, could you snipe individual weapon emplacements from range. Specifically if you take out those 6 beams, the torps are easy enough to dodge at that distance
You were using a stock Galaxy model. If memory serves only 1 ship survived Wolf 359 & there were over 30 star ships. Not all as powerful as the Enterprise D but combined they had more firepower than your fleet. Now if that was a fleet of Dominion war Galaxies with all the bells & whistles what would the outcome be especially if Worf commanded one. because you know today is a good day to die
The lore behind Trek doesn't make much sense. The UFP is comprised of over 150 member planets in the late 24th century and spans 8,000 Ly's. That's a massive amount of space. In effect the Federation should ideally have at least 1500 Galaxy class ships throughout the whole Federation (minimum). If we assume at least several hundred drydocks per solar system (of which there would be at least 150), the UFP would have anywhere between 15,000 to 45,000 drydocks in the whole UFP. Utopia Planitia is massive... and Earth alone has its own drydock facilities capable of building ships. Allocate just 10 drydocks per SOL to a designated class of ships, and UFP would have at least 1500 of them built throughout the UFP. Given the sheer size and scope of the Federation in the 24th century with nearly 1 Trillion individuals, if even just 2% of this population is in Starfleet, the number of personnel would be huge spread across all 150 member planets, hundreds of thousands of large starbases, outposts, millions of ships. I think the writers of Trek severely under-estimated the size and scope of the needed ships UFP would realistically have.
Saffi: we should not fire on friendly targets, captain!
Damn, Saffi has been assimilated!
😂😂
I’m honestly perturbed that the Galaxy class never received quantums. One would assume that since they were available during the dominion war, and it was one of the strongest ships of the time that they would have done that retrofit.
It would make sense!
They should never have destroyed the Enterprise D in Generations. They should have just refit the galaxy class. The flagship was only seven years old when it was destroyed but they’re still using Excelsior and Miranda class ships from the last century.
Agree. But perhaps it because we didn't saw anymore of her screentime since generation and ds9. But it would be much better if she have them on ST picard last episode.
@@michaelmunsey5660 agree, but that couldn't be helped, since there's already enterprise E waiting on the list. I believe only one 'Enterprise' "official"-ly allowed at one time.
Even though she's not destroyed, they may still decommisioned her for the sake of the E.
Inspite of that, the end of the D's service duty, didn't represent the class fate. The Galaxy class still serves as starfleet battle group omega primary's
"Big Gun" on 2379, during Battle of Bassen Rift, ST Nemesis, in a failed attempt to rendezvous w/ the E to fight the Scimitar.
Nevertheless, her end (the D) is for greater good because thanks to that, the D received the honor to make sure that history never forgets the name "Enterprise".
@@michaelmunsey5660 yeh buddy, the D was a beauty, they wanted to go for a more streamlined thing, but in space you don't have to be streamlined.🖖
A I recall, weren't Galaxy Class's churned out (hulls and weapons only) for the Dominion war?
The borg cube is 4km a side and has firepower greater then half the federation starfleet. Its exhaust port is Ray shielded so you'll have to use Quantum Torpedoes which won't arrive until tuesday. It was nice knowing you all.
Love how it looks like a Discotech every time you go up against the borg or DS9.
Seriously tho THIS is exactly how Season 3 of picard should have gone down. The Enterprise E ( a far mor capable warship) EVEN WITH PICARD KNOWING THE WEAK SPOT had an entire fleet behind him of the Latest and most advanced anti-borg and dominion war refit ships. Picard S3 had...ONE SINGLE Enterprise D returned to original factory specifications (so none of the Anti Borg/Dominion war upgrades) and no backup AND the cube was more like a death star size-wise. It's a ludicrously one-sided battle.
Go back and watch the episode and this time, pay attention.
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Maybe you should do the same?
@@jnwestray78 what part soyboy? the part where a single Glaaxy class museum ship (somehow fully stocked with torpedoes) takes out a borg death star through LITERALLY ripping off Star Wars Return fo the Jedi?
In all cases Federation vs a Borg Cube on screen we see AN ENTIRE FLEET strugglling or getting masacred outright vs A SINGLE CUBE in a firefight. and at ENDOR the Rebels had a large fleet and space wizards and the Emperor has a Trap that backfired.
That was good fun. Must have more scenarios like this.
This an anachronism. By the time all the original Galaxy frames were built, it was the Dominion War. Most should have been refitted to the DW standard. I think then you would win. With 50% of them in the DW refit. Quantum Torpedoes make all the difference.
"Target all of your weapons to the following coordinates. Fire on my command."
DS9 vs. Assimilated Borg Cube make it so.
Maybe do that in a cloaked ship and just watch, since it seemed to take you out first without touching any of the others! Still not sure they would win, but basically it killed you not all of them.
It always does that for unknown reasons, the AI in STBC is either designed to destroy the player first or the player has higher priority
Being in a ship smaller than the others or going on red alert late seems to help?
Crikey I loved it.. I know was an Assimilation Cube and the Ent D.. well the Borg was only firing on you.. that was wicked.. all the ships firing.. wow.. unless.. you fly in the Cube like Data did from within.. hmm.. that would be good to see. loved the battle Captain.. You still did good.. amazing battle.. ! 😊🖖
Haha. Now that would be neat, doing a Star Wars trench run inside a cube! Thanks Steve 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming That would be cool to see.. 🖖
That was a really really amazing video I'd love 2 C a fleet of Galaxy class X Starships vs the Borg Assimilation Cube
the cube is pretty much focused on you.
Would love to see this but with the Ross Class, basically the "Soveriegned" Galaxy; it was made Canon in Season 3 Picard. Its a very interesting ship
In Season 2 😉
@@OtaibaSheikh Fair enough, it’s still a formidable ship, it’s not every day a ship has two warp cores
@@Stellar_Hearth1701 I do like it, it's a great evolutionary design. Probably my favourite of the new vessel classes
The way I like to do tests like this is to sit in a cloaked defiant and let the AI decide who wins. That way your ship getting taken out doesnt end the battle.
"According to Star trek Lore, there were 7 Galaxy class starships constructed"
I think if you go watch the Dominion Wars in DS9, you will easily be able to count far more than 7 Galaxy Class ships in the huge battles that took place during the re taking of Cardassian space.
True. I meant up until the dominion war era. Gene Roddenberry stated initially there was 6. Then additional ones were constructed. I don’t think there is a completely definitive number. 🖖
From the Deep Space Nine season 6 episode "Sacrifice of Angels" we get a pretty good indication of the massive expansion of Galaxy class shipbuilding from this excerpt from the transcript:
"SISKO: It is also an opportunity and we may not get another one. Ensign, have Galaxy wings nine one and nine three engage those destroyers. All other ships, head for that opening. Anyone who gets through doesn't stop until they reach Deep Space Nine.
(In they go, Galaxy-class firepower helping make the gap wide enough for the Defiant and her companions.)"
1:42 Yeah, Gene, for as brilliant as he was, said some dumb stuff. We all know that already.
I mean, there were way more of these built during the Dominion war. I think we see a few dozen in total between TNG, various DS9 episodes, and the fleet shot in the final episode of Voyager. So saying that this is every Galaxy that was ever constructed it a bit off base. You're thinking off how many were constructed initially. It's never said anywhere that they never made more.
A disappointing result. The Daystrom Institute calculated your chances of surviving should increase proportional to the cube of the number ships deployed. Obviously, these calculations were galaxies off!
Surrender is a perfectly acceptable alternative in extreme circumstances! i am sure the borg would be greatful if we just.....
Haha 😂
It would be interesting to see if the 13 Galaxies were combined with other starships from Next Gen. Particularly an Excelsior and Miranda for every Galaxy, and a few Nebulas and Ambassadors if the system could handle it? The oft seen, and oft doomed Oberths would likely be just wastes of potential ship slots!
Additionally, throwing other ships seen in Next Gen might also be interesting, particularly the Klingons, or Romulan and Cardassian ships if necessary. Clearly, though, Next Gen era tech isn't great against the Borg.
Going beyond the Next Gen era, there is also the possibility of using the Galaxy War refit versions. Although, you might have to subtract the fallen Odyssey, Yamato, and the Enterprise D herself. You could add a couple Sovereigns to represent the Sovereign and the Enterprise E, and--and maybe an Odyssey to represent the fallen Odyssey destroyed by the Jem Hadar?
Can you do like all galaxy versions vs. borg. So like DW,FH, X, mirror universe etc??
Possible vid idea - every current Galaxy Class type/variant in RE against an Assimilation Cube?
The Galaxy MK II, Valentine, Yamamoto-A, Europa, Titan variant, Temporal Galaxy (UniMod I), Venture, etc 😅
You ain't no Data when it comes to piloting a Starship , Romulan .
Haha! I didn’t have that gut feeling 🤖🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming hahaha 😁😂😆
Where does it say there are only 13 galaxy class ships? Cause i think there were more then that in the DS9 episode where they were trying to reach the worm hole before they took down the mine field
You need to do this again with the 'War Refit' for a proper display of firepower. The basic Galaxy-class is woefully under-powered.
You should redo this battle as an observer in a cloaked ship.
Great match-up!
If you could sperate the saucer from the star drive plus the other ships do the same the outcome might be different cause it had a hard time fighting the star drive and saucer in the episode of the best of both worlds
You were gutted because the Cube was focusing its weapons onto you.
Had it more evenly divided its firepower to other ships and you survived longer, you could have potentially destroyed it.
Couldn't you co ordinate all weapons from every ship onto one point, like in First Contact?
I'd be very thankful for Admiral Insaneway infecting the queen with that pathogen after see what would have been right here
I still have my copy of Star Trek bridge Commander interesting to see how this event Loop unfold but next time if you play this battle you should just let the others Slug It Out with Cube and wear it down to see if they can actually destroy it and come in assisting it not taking heavy fire but I think it's plausible 13 Galaxy class battleships against the Borg Cube it should be manageable
Still as the player in the lead ship you should have held back incremental a major damage let your wingman and your fellowships take the brunt and then come back in when your Shields are restored
I do wonder since it's shields aren't very strong, could you snipe individual weapon emplacements from range. Specifically if you take out those 6 beams, the torps are easy enough to dodge at that distance
Do the 13 galaxy's and add how ever many enterprise e classes that they had in service in total as well
Definitely need quantums and stronger shields. The Galaxy class is just too old to face the Borg, even if there are thirteen.
You were using a stock Galaxy model. If memory serves only 1 ship survived Wolf 359 & there were over 30 star ships. Not all as powerful as the Enterprise D but combined they had more firepower than your fleet. Now if that was a fleet of Dominion war Galaxies with all the bells & whistles what would the outcome be especially if Worf commanded one. because you know today is a good day to die
Put it up against the Enterprise G/H/I
The lore behind Trek doesn't make much sense.
The UFP is comprised of over 150 member planets in the late 24th century and spans 8,000 Ly's.
That's a massive amount of space.
In effect the Federation should ideally have at least 1500 Galaxy class ships throughout the whole Federation (minimum).
If we assume at least several hundred drydocks per solar system (of which there would be at least 150), the UFP would have anywhere between 15,000 to 45,000 drydocks in the whole UFP.
Utopia Planitia is massive... and Earth alone has its own drydock facilities capable of building ships.
Allocate just 10 drydocks per SOL to a designated class of ships, and UFP would have at least 1500 of them built throughout the UFP.
Given the sheer size and scope of the Federation in the 24th century with nearly 1 Trillion individuals, if even just 2% of this population is in Starfleet, the number of personnel would be huge spread across all 150 member planets, hundreds of thousands of large starbases, outposts, millions of ships.
I think the writers of Trek severely under-estimated the size and scope of the needed ships UFP would realistically have.
Didn't have high hopes anyway
do 12 odyssey class ships 😅
Excellent idea!! 🖖
The Enterprise D is a nicer looking ship in my opinion.
DS9 from hell v assimilation cudbe
The Fat ones weren't enough. Noooooooooo🖖🖖
What game is this?
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The D is a much nicer looking ship than the E.