Thomas never actually abandoned her. He smashed the character and retconned ALL character development she had, and made her far worse then she was in the previous seasons and did what he could to turn the fans against her
@@ThatGirlShay11Honestly she deserves it (not the dying part lol) It would be great if chloe gets her arc but if she doesn't I think it's time for her to rest It's better than making chloe even more unlikable and even more hated yk?
Chloé being sent to live with her mother is the stuff of nightmares. Audrey’s practically Chloé all grown up. So if living with her mother doesn’t make her finally shape up, nothing will.
I gave up on ML in season 2, but given Audrey's behavior when she learned how much her daughter was like her, I don't think living with Audrey would have whipped Chloé into shape. If anything, Audrey would have enabled Chloé even more, effectively training Chloé to be a more effective bully, and she was already pretty bad in season 2. There's a reason the entire school celebrated when they heard Chloé was leaving France.
@@frankielovejoy9928 Audrey blames Chloé for ruining the non-existent reputation of the Bourgeois name, so I don’t know about you but judging by her tone, it doesn’t seem Chloé will get any leeway from her. Not after the events of Revolution.
@@theodorecarter6601 I meant the events of season 2. In season 2, Chloe and her mother were starting to get along somewhat well and Audrey was going to take Chloe to New York with her instead of Marinette before Chloe's father had enough and was akumatized into Malediktator. Like I said, I gave up on the show in season 2. I only go back to it sporadically, but at THAT point in the series, Audrey would have been an enabler, or at least her shallow disregard for Chloe would have pushed Chloe further down the rabbit hole, especially given that she would have been alone in a big city, not even having childhood friends like Adrien to tolerate her. But yes, by season 5, given what we know now, their relationship would have definitely been negatively affected. My point was, regardless of what stage of their relationship you look at, Audrey would certainly NOT have whipped Chloe into shape. Being left alone with Audrey would only ruin Chloe.
Chloe had so much potential that got squandered. I was so happy when she was offered the Bee Miraculous because that was the opportunity for her to show she was capable of growing as a person/character and becoming a genuinely good person, friend, and hero, but then the showrunners ruined it.
Honestly she doesn't deserve to be queen bee she just wanted to show people she's such a good hero but she was still mean to people even Sabrina. Her half sister is so much better than her at being queen bee. Chloe is just a mean selfish brat.
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies). However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing. Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future. I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power. Read it when you have the chance.
@@bismaibraheem6554no, she actually started to change. her change was actually slow but you can see in that particular season(the one with her as queen bee), she didn't bug many people in becoming a villain. she also didn't bug Marinette that much anymore. she still treat Sabrina poorly but she could've still have a good development IF only Thomas didn't interrupt it and made her a villain till the end. Her character was literally ruined. Also, her sister is indeed good. But her personality doesn't give much. Thomas just made all the characters have the same personality and it's just really boring.
Thomas Astruc is the Puppet Master... He made the characters turn their backs on Chloe by pulling the strings because he's not a fan of her... He did a "great" job turning the fans against her too... Guess what, Thomas... I'm still a fan of Chloe no matter how she'll be written as in future season(s) and honestly, I miss her as Queen Bee. She still has so much potential... I won't give up on Chloe and neither should her remaining fans who hoped/are still hoping for her character development. Chloe may be put on a bus-- I mean plane for now, but I feel she'll return one day. Question is will she be humble and change for the better or continue to be hateful & despised by everyone?
I given up on the show doing anything good with Chloe at this point. I'm hoping the movies will remake the show into what it should've been from the beginning and gives Chloe the character development she needed to be redeemed. Yeah people can say she had a choice in S3, but if Marinette and Adrien has been more active with Chloe and tries to help show her she can be a hero without the miraculous by changing her attitude and treating people better(being who she wants to be and not who her mom wants her to be) Then I believe Chloe would've developed into an amazing person, she just needed the help to get there.(which she didn't receive) the only help she received where from Hawkmoth, to be the bad guy(again). I understand she couldn't be QB anymore, that makes sense I understand that, but then why is Marinette letting everyone else keep their miraculous even though Shadowmoth knows their identities, and even let's Alya keep hers?! There's a contradiction there! I do believe Zoe could've worked, of they used her to further Chloe's development/Redemption. Like Ladybug needs the bee miraculous again, and decides to take a chance on Chloe. This would Chloe to a choice, of being QB again or being a regular everyday hero. Chloe would eventually decline and suggest Ladybug gives it to her sister Zoe, believing the miraculous would help her like it did for her. This would've brought an end to her arc, which would've been so much better. I'm hoping the movies do something like that with Chloe, cause girl deserved a better arc then what she got.
@@lavenderrose82honestly atp I've given up on the writers giving Chloe any development in the show, but like you said there might be some hope for her in the movies as she seemed like a regular bully instead of what she became in s4-5, I'm hoping the 2nd movie will bring back her as Queen Bee
@@ishashifarChloe having better development depends on if Thomas Astruc is working on the movies aswell. If he is, idk he’ll change anything about her and let her have a redemption arc.
There are many reasons why MLB is one of those really badly written shows. One of the many reasons is them trying somethin and scrapping it. I don't think anyone ever asked for a change in Chloe's actions or a redemption. Personally Chloe's character to me during the start of MLB, was just like one of those annoying stupid ass brats, nothing more nothing less. I didn't hate her nor did I like her. She was just there. But during the time season 2 came out I noticed so many people making vids about Chloe, People clearly seemed to like her development throughout season 2, And I joined in on the wagon cause,at some point I found myself liking Chloe even more than Marinette. Chloe had it good starting and she started to be likable. But by the end of season 3 we were bamboozled. They suddenly turned her development upside, I mean it is so clear they didn't know what they were doin. Thomas Astruc said it was because she was just evil, Which is an overstatement because,she was just an annoying brat.But Chloe was lonely her only true friends were Adrien and Sabrina.And now she's really all alone. Chloe wasn't evil she was just a spoiled lonely child who wasn't taught right from wrong because her Father was bootlicker and her Momma wasn't even Mommy-ing. She was basically a neglected child. Yes She's neglected her Father only ever does whatever she wants and goes off to do his job as a Mayor. And ofc her Mother I mean her entire existence proves it, She don't even remember her own child's name most of the time. Even if we didn't get all that redemption you could see that, Ofc that don't justify Chloe's actions its still very clear. And so when they just scrapped and butchered her Redemption I was actually so pissed. Because not only have they just lost many fans they've lost viewers because I'm sure many dropped the series,Obviously not only because of what happened to Chloe but you get what I mean. They could've profited so well on the Chloe redemption Arc, Because yes ok we love our Main character she's nice and sweet and blah blah but Chloe was actually funnier than Marinette, Because in the end their attempt to make Marinette funny by making her comically clumsy was so bad it hurt, Chloe's Sass also made her very likable too. I mean just take characters like Clover from Totally Spies, Stella from Winx Club , and Cleo for Monster High for example, Why do people like them so much, das cause they were such great characters, Cleo was a classic Queen , She even always followed that GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY want, But for so many times I liked her vibe. Like during this one Movies, Friday Night Frights, The entire movie Cleo was actually just so relatable, while everybody was trying to find a way to beat the other school's roller skating team, Cleo was like " Oh yah I'll step back from this show and y'all do your thing. Call me when you need me" Basically how she was during the entire movie, And it was honestly funny. Either Cleo is a great example of one of those characters who are mean but like in a good way Idk how to explain. That goes the same for Stella and Clover, in any case they have similarities they're aren't exactly mean but they really know how to speak their mind and like won't hesitate to smack down at somebody who threatens them. Now Chloe could been one of those beloved Characters but again and aGAINNNN They scrapped it. They could've went that direction but they flopped. Why did they even try giving her those qualities if they were just gonna butcher her redemption.Because its very clear how they started it out since S4 to S5, they made her just irrationally evil like many horrible evil bullies in IRL. Its as if they were tryna direct people to hate her since now she's just an evil daughter of a Bitch, Literally. They say Chloe is evil and completely brushed her character off to the side, But oH Wait a man who treats his son like a puppet, and a man who has caused so much destruction, and A MAN WHO IS SUCH A HYPOCRITE becomes a hero😑We all know in love as Hockmoth. They started making the show more watchable to More older audiences, because many from young children to even grown Adults actually liked the show. Now here is the problem with that. Nobody asked for it. Literally Nobody. Everyone initially went into the show because it was interesting and even if it was a children show they still liked it. I mean look at Shows like Winx Club. Monster High, Amazing World of Gumball, Steven Universe, and so much more. These shows are directed young audiences, but people of all ages watch it. Amazing World of Gumball is a very fun show to watch even if you aren't a kid and it still is. So many of the shows before and even now still have fans who watch it even after they've grown up. So they didn't need to change it in anyway it was fine as it was from the beginning. Nobody cared if it was a children's show. The show was relatively fine as is. They just sent themselves down such a curvy line.So many bumps. This show is one of those shows that had potential but then just flopped. Because the author's didn't know the audience. Now is just a weird as show with so many plot holes. I am very disappointed in the flopped redemption of Chloe. I don't even think the writers themselves can redeem THEIRSLEVES with changes cause they've already replaced Chloe with Zoe, such a stupid attempt. Is not Like I hate Zoe but yk . Idk what direction this show will take but we'll see how it goes.
I agreed! A beautiful girl as Chloé as love her since the first season don't deserverd a very bad writting! Marinette, beside Chloé is just a stalker, psychopatic girl and a mary-sue who taking Adrien from Chloé! Well done you stupid Ass-truc!!😡😡 For the reast, the series as non senes, and it's just a guilty pleasure!
I hate how they made Gabriel live happy even though he could have killed millions , and made Chloe have the worst ending by leaving with her abusive mom :/
@@fiorettiduseigneurcapybara2492 He made wish in the finale, but he didn't get to live happily. Instead, for Emilie to be brought back, he had to die. Now, I'm not a fan of how it ended, but the wish did have a price and he paid for it with his life.
if it's Emilie is yet to be seen: Nathalie was healed at the end...I think he sacrificed himself for her (it would make more sense since Emilie basically said "Don't try to revive me" bringing her back after learning she didn't want that doesn't seem right to me@@jedyoung767
I don't think she's a wasted potential. She actually gives out a good lesson. Chloe was given so many chances to be a better person even when she didn't deserve it. But she chose to stay the same and that lead people to abandon her. And still don't understand why she's all alone.
You forgot to mention the most important person who 'abandoned' her. THOMAS ASTRUC. He forced her to lose ALL of the good traits and personality complexes we saw of her during S1, 2 and 3 to become a soulless monster with no redeeming features. This was done with no explanation or build-up, as if he didn't trust Lila to be the 'bad girl' of the show after all. He even created the deathly dull Mary Sue 'Zoe' to replace her as QB, and even made an entire stupid retconning flashback episode to further demonise her. This once promising character has been totally RUINED by the show's creator, and quite honestly I'm glad she's leaving the series now. Poor girl could do with a break... :/
I'd rather if this still had to happen, at least connect it to Lila who made her regress. Lila already ends up using her anyway so they could have made that point in Lila being the worse. Let us not forget Marinette herself even said once that Lila was even worse than Chloe.
Thomas Astruc didn’t abandon her. She was written in as a bully and her character was given a choice in season 3: become Queen Bee again and get vengeance on Ladybug for “not trusting her,” or refuse it, and trust what Ladybug had done. Bullies do not change on a dime. They still can change, because I’m pretty sure I flirted with that line in middle school, but those changes don’t typically happen without something big changing in them. In season 2, when she donned the Bee miraculous, she did it out of spite towards Marinette. Afterwards, in season 3, when Ladybug told her she can never again give her the miraculous, Chloé blamed Ladybug instead of accepting the consequences of her actions, because she revealed her identity to the world, which put her at the most risk. She didn’t have the patience, concern, or the understanding to realize how unsafe it was. So, she decided to wallow in her anger and jealousy of Ladybug, but also because of her sister. I think deep down, her insecurities are still there, and when Zoe, her younger, half sister, arrived, those feelings grew. Also, there doesn’t have to only be *one* “bad girl.” It’s like saying a superhero only has one villain. And who says she’s left the series? We may see her again when she’s realized, Lila’s played me for a fool. Her redemption is not off the table. But I think it will be all the sweeter, after all, once you’ve hit rock bottom, the only place to go is up. And why do people think Zoe is a “Mary Sue” anyways? She still struggled with finding her voice, finding her identity, dealing with her sister, dealing with her feelings for Marinette. Hell, she still got akumatized! Just because a character’s growth isn’t massive, doesn’t mean it’s not there. There’s no doubt in my mind that she will probably fall into one of Lila’s traps and get akumatized again as she’s forced to deal with her jealousy of Adrien.
@@DKnight5170 Sorry, but that's a complete load of rubbish, you clearly don't know what you're talking about and are blinded by your baffling love of the show. Miraculous is notorious for being one of the worst written cartoons around... with it's questionable moral decisions, terrible continuity, even worse dialogue and characters that have so little depth you couldn't drown a fly in them. The worst thing to happen was for this brilliant idea to fall into the lap of someone as untalented as Thomas Astruc, as he has utterly destroyed the franchise for anyone over the age of 8 with a double digit IQ. Anyway, like I said I am SO glad Chloe is out of the show... she only reached her true potential in S2 when she was written by BETTER writers and not Thomas and his merry band of idiots. Once he took full control again, that was it for her. As least we'll have no more appalling Chloe salt episodes, she is finally free from her main abuser (Astruc) and will get MUCH better treatment in the various fanfics that tend to be FAR superior to the actual lore of the show. I wish her well. :)
@@DKnight5170Marinette still gave the miraculous to other heroes even if Hawkmoth knows their secret identities... that's enough to tell you that the writing is terrible.
@@blackumbrazozzino1257 Recall, Chloé and Alya were the only 2 he openly acted upon. The knowledge of the rest of them, he kept to himself, because Ladybug openly told both girls I can never give you another miraculous, even though Alya's was an illusion, Marinette still approved the decision.
@@imafreakinninja12His crime was being an enabling jacka$$ who refused to actually raise his daughter and let her get away with murder because he couldn’t be bothered to actually parent.
André is like the most ridiculous one because he literally is the main reason Chloé ended up as she is and he even is a fucking CORRUPT MAYOR and he just goes “I’m swrry” and everyone just forgives him like that? What?
The thing that irks me the most about Chloe not being Queen Bee anymore is the excuse. Ladybug says “I can’t let you be Queen Bee anymore because Hawk Moth knows your identity”. Then why could Kagami continue being a superhero (someone who was a considerable past rival to Marinette)? Why could Luka? Why could Alya and Nino? For cripes sake, Kim, who caused Marinette to be traumatized with confessing love, still continues to be a superhero. I don’t see the logic behind Ladybug’s excuse, because if she really followed through with it, the entire OG miraculous team would be different. You can just tell that Ladybug is being biased and rather petty towards Chloe just because of their past. I won’t deny that Chloe was awful to Marinette. But she’s a teenager, and teenagers are problematic (the same can be said for Marinette’s behavior towards Adrien in S3 and S4 especially). And secondly, Kim also did something bad, but Marinette still have him his miraculous back. If that’s not cherry picking I don’t know what else is. Chloe had the potential to change but Thomas Astruc just had to let his own personal preference get in the way.
honestly I WISH they adressed this in the show as it being a valid critique against mari/ladybug. i lov mari but mari always thinks she's the mature logic one when mari is very much influenced by her emotions
@@margeryojije7862 I mean the thing is I get her facing consequences for what she doubled down on...I 100 percent get why she faced consequences for doubling down on being bad and her using bad coping mechanisms...but we also saw Chloe genuinely start to improve some and her real struggle to understand being kind due to how her family worked even when she was trying her best. and we also spent the show with chloe basically losing most of the time. WE know no one likes chloe and chloe also very much knows that and chloe emulates her parents who ARE succesful and who enable that behaviour. but we also know chloe's downfall was very much tied to adult gabriel/hawkmoth literally setting her up by taking people hostage including pollen and the other kwami's. I get everyone assuming chloe's reasoning for agreeing was her feeling entitled to being queen bee...but WE the audince literally know people were hostages and hawkmoth isolated her and dub into her insecurities and emotionally manipulated. So the show acting like she was ENTIRELY ireedeemable when we've seen her cry and teh tone of other episodes point taht we should be taking the times chloe was improving seriously...it leaves a bad taste in the mouth you know? especially when the show was clearly pointing to chloe improving and we know that progress and nuance they SHOWED us got written out due to thomas. so I get why you;d be frusterated at people defending chloe when her actions id deserve to be punished..but I do think your over looking too much why people feel the erge to do that when her becoming that bad didn''t feel natural considering how they set up the dynamic for a majority of the season. I DO agree that Mari should NOT be in charge of making chloe better. chloe was mari's bully...and even without that sabotage epsiode with kim flashback putting it on mari to make chloe improve even as ladybug would not be fair. personally I think zoey or adrien should have been more involved. people trying to blame it on mari are just not being fair...but it doesn't mean people's critiques shouldn't stand when just chloe being unredeemable when others were stated to be redeemable with less work put in than chloe has REALLY bad implications. I get wanting chloe to face karma and consequences but thematically things have WAY worst implications with how the show had only chloe really framed that way when the show had also had us understand her issues and weakness to being manipulated the most...especially with thematically akuma victims are people who are hurting and feeling negative who get enabled and emotionally manipulated into making worst decisions while unable to think rationally due to the negative emotions...and how the show sets up that those people need to be stopped but also are the ones in need of help as well..and that the bigger bad guys are the ones who take advantage. and how easy it would be to not realize those people need help.
@@clarisacalderon9555 I get what your saying, the show made Chloe the only irredeemable character. But for a different point of view, it kind of reflects reality for some people. You can be around people with their own flaws and you get along with them, but you have that one person that no one likes and is just outright a crappy person. Sometimes people are just irredeemable, the should had did it better, sure, and she was given many chances. I do like someone else's comment about how Adrian was no better. He enabled Chloe behavior knowing she's not going to change.
My main antagonist was Chloe irredeemable character and a different point. Some people are complaining about giving many chances the one Porson was mean and selfish. That's the character that looks like I do really appreciate what I am saying. Chloe was behaviour was brilliant the Evil plan was secees that's I went to see
It’s a shame. Chloe showed when she gets the right push, she can be a better person. Like Malediktaor was the perfect start towards her redemption and she even apologized near the end of Queen Wasp for her actions and even confessed to Ladybug and despite their rivalry, Marinette trusted Chloe with the Bee Miraculous to help save her dad. I’m not hating Zoe, but she literally came out of nowhere
@@inukaiser To each their own, but I disagree because of my earlier comment. Her character just needed time to grow and learn how to truly be a better person, but the creator threw it all away
Yh but she can never change she just wanted to show people that she's such a good superhero and she would always brag about being queen bee. But look where she is now. She purposely got herself akumatized and decided to hate and go against ladybug she's no superhero she's pure evil. No one even likes her.
It's actually beyond revolting that the show is sending Chloe off to live with Audrey. As much as y'all try to dispute or excuse this, Chloe IS A VICTIM OF ABUSE. Just because Chloe is a mean person does not mean the abusive actions of BOTH her parents should be overlooked, especially considering that Audrey and Andre are QUITE LITERALLY THE REASON SHE IS THE WAY THAT SHE IS. Audrey is the most obvious perpetrator, being emotionally absent and verbally abusive, and essentially seeing no value in her own daughter other than just that fact that Chloe is her daughter, and some of y'all need to understand that Andre isn't any better just because he's the "better" parent. He enables Chloe's abusive tendencies towards others, but also does nothing to help her or even seems to care about her in the way a father should, he just buys her stuff in the hopes that it fills the broken heart Audrey has left her with. Not to mention he's nothing but a fat coward, because if he truly did love Chloe and want her to be happy, HE'D LEAVE AUDREY. It's not like he doesn't have the money or finances to do it, HE'S THE MAYOR. If anything, divorcing Audrey would be a cakewalk because his status as the mayor would make the separation be more in his favor. The way this show has handled Chloe as an abused child is revolting, as is how they handled EVERY child of abuse in this show, from Chloe to Adrien, and Thomas Astruc is an absolute miserable sack of garbage for a writer.
Honestly, this speaks volumes about the kind of person Thomas Astruc really is. It's honestly amazing that he hasn't been committed to a psych ward considering he really needs to go to one.
What she went through doesn’t excuse her bad behavior. Chloé CHOSE to be the way she is. She can change, she just CHOSE not to. She likes being a bully. She isn’t happy unless everyone else around her is miserable. Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.” Chloé has shown us who she is in the first season. Stop trying to use her home life as an excuse. Yes, Audrey was a horrible parent and Andre was an enabler at best, but that still doesn’t excuse her bad behavior.
Nothing can justify Chloe’s actions about how she mistreated people, but she was never given a redemption arc, her character development went down the drain, which I’m so glad that some of the mlb fans write her redemption on the internet.
How she get the attention of her mother? doing petty stupid things pretending to be so mean like her. Watching an adult taking part in some of the petty schemes of Chloe and Lila is so childish.
@@jorgeandresacero4408 chloe is mean and abusive bc her parents are bad parents. Her mother is an abusive figure that only recognizes Chloe when she's mean. And her father neglects her, is a corrupt poltician and gives her things to please her
To be real chloe is the second most interesting and complex character in the show behind adrien. Chloe has so much characterization and has a tough backstory with a complex upbringing and a unique personality with a lot of negative traits balanced by a few positive traits. Compared to characters like marinette or alya, she's way more interesting and she was awesome as queen bee. If she could keep the miraculous, her civilian identity vs hero persona dynamic would have been so cool.
to be fair mari is actually pretty interesting to. the show TELLS us mari is this perfect rolemodel and just a good person and patient but what it SHOWS us is she judges quickly, is stubborn, petty and often sees what she wants to see and ignores evidence that counters the scenerio she has in her head. mari often has selfish reasosn for doing things alot of the time where she struggles to put herself accurate in other people's shoes where she puts someone elses feelings as secondary that we get distracted by because theres a bonus 'good' reason for her doing it that the show acts like is her main reason but very much wasn't. she and gabriel have STRONG parallels. if we consider gabe as origianlly a good person/well meaning like mari but making elaborate plans thinking of the outcome rather than how you get there entirely...th earallels get strnger..with gabe being a darkmirror because gabe getting 'twisted' due to the huberious of thinking he is in control and how he was literally amplifying his own negative feelings duing a emotion miraculous inthe wrong way...if teh show just pointed out gabe was 'acting' as a villian but became more like the person he put on for real due to how he was using the miraculouses th efinally could have been stronger since. seriously saying he was literally going insane due to how he was dealing with the miraculous as a price would explain so much..be was honestly acting like a akuma victim would at times. more agressive, hyper focuses and difficultly thinking of plans outside of getting the miraculous even if would have solved their issues better.
@@sebaschan-uwu Adrien and Chloe deserve to be part of a better show like Adventure Time, Ninjago, Ben 10: Alien Force, Gravity Falls, Infinity Train, Mob Psycho 100, Final Space, BoJack Horseman, Arcane or The Midnight Gospel.
I love that scene where Marinette uses Chloé own catch phase against her. That was the final blow where Chloé finally realizes she’s reach total rock bottom.
Adrien made the right choice ending his friendship with others like Chloe and walked off, since he knew some people will never change. Why did you think he scolded at Lila for her lies?
@iamsherlocked7448 I've heard this rumor, too! Notice how her redemption happened in season 2, which was the season Thomas Austruc didn't work on. He came back in season 3 and somehow Chloe became the main villain of the climax when it should have been Lila. Thomas Austruc definitely couldn't stand that people started to like Chloe.
*me disliking chloe back in 2016* *me, slowly beginning to like chloe in 2018* *me, now a chloe DEFENDER in 2023* i don’t harbour any hate towards the other characters, excluding one. i don’t hate or dislike kagami, zoe, felix, manon etc. i just don’t care about them enough to have a solid opinion. back to hate: the one character i truly despise with all my heart goes to… thomas astruc himself. i don’t think i need to elaborate with context for this one.
It’s not abandoning, more like cutting their losses. You can’t reach out to these people until they’ve hit rock bottom and by then you’ll lose all interest.
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies). However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing. Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future. I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power. Read it when you have the chance.
Every time a character is there by her side, Chloe becomes a better person. Every time a character abandons her, she becomes a worse person. Chloe being irredeemable is the result of the people that gave her hope turning their backs to her (looking at you, Marinette)!
Looking at the people she abandons her to much and worse people who get effected with Chloe is the result of the people that gave her hopes and ignored her wasn't the plan
What do you think Chloe would be like if Gabriel never became Hawkmoth so her bad influence couldn't Akumatize anyone also she never meets, worship and antagonize Ladybug and Catnoir?
End of this Episode in 26 Everyone had a happy ending but Chloe didn't it's ashamed of her she was not happy at all that's bad idea she was the main Character I felt sad for her I'm bother any happy ending once and for all
Chloe had potential and was slowly getting redeemed for her actions and slowly showing a gentle and compassionate side, then squanders it by betraying others when she doesn’t get her way. Ever since she got akumatised and past season 3 ending the authors just said let’s just make her the worst
Wouldn't it be worse sending away Chloe with the mother who only cares about being top-dog on everything? Andre gave up everything for Chloe's mother in an effort to win her. I mean it might give her a chance to see that she is not all that of a person with her mother neglecting her and verbally (too harsh to say abuse) bully her to submission because she's a child. Entitled, Selfish, Royal pain, and spoiled brat is what she is! I am super glad that Sabrina finally becomes her own person and take a step away from Chloe's influence. How exactly did Chloe and Adrien even become friends to begin with?
I think the reason adrien and chloe became friends was explained by adrien in season 2 ( i think malediktator) where he said something like chloe was the only person he actually talked to the same age since hes always isolated and that she was the only friend he first had
Thomas Astruc is one of the few examples, as much as it pains me to say, should have the reins of Miraculous’ creative direction given to someone else despite being its creator.
The way the writers treat her is pathetic. Even if the intention was to make her a villain the least they could have done was given her some agency and not try to pretend like she never had good qualities. Seriously, fuck this show, I hope it fails.
Admittedly, I was okay with Chloe taking a step back character wise in Miracle Queen because she still had so much potential to turn things around. Perhaps even leaving for New York would've helped her as her mom would've been too busy with her fashion empire to interfere with her development, and she could've met the United Heroes, allowing her to grow as a person and true ally. Alas we may never get that.
I. Hate. Andre. Bourgeois. He "raised" Chloe alone since she was 6/7, maybe younger. He knows his daughter is grieving her mom's abandonment but rather than putting in the time to be there and raise his daughter, he emotionally abandons her and spoils her ROTTEN. He let's her idealize a woman who is cheated and left them and turns her into a mini version of her on steroids. He gives Chloe jewels and writes and rewrites laws every time she raises her voice. Ruins lives. Makes things harder on the heroes, just because he does not want to actually parent her. Then, after all the horrible things HE did, after enabling and raising her to be this way, he sends her off. Favours her half sister. And goes off to live his best life because he "cannot deal with her" anymore. He is the most selfish man in Miraculous Ladybug and a worst father. Thomas Aspect saying HE deserved a happy endinf and change over Chloe, this is rediculous. Utterly rediculous. But then again, grown men in this show always get more of a pass than 13-14 year old girls. Especially ones who make their careers off of making everyones lives utterly miserable. (Andre. Alec. Gabriel.)
the fact the French government didn't military forces to stop Chole when she became the dictator of Pairs the fricking capital of France us just plain stupid
Another character that got the redemption U turn was Gabriel. I had such high hopes for him finally seeing the error of his ways and trying to resist his own darkness, perhaps even becoming a potential mentor and ally for Marinette and Ladybug respectfully. Honestly, seasons 4 and 5 were a major let down.
They didn't abandon her, she pushed them away. No matter how much they all tried to help her, Chloe did not want to listen to them and take their lessons to heart for more than just a short moment. No matter what happened to her, she still assumed she should remain the priority without sacrificing anything to try and be better.
The only one that i hate for abandonning Chloé is André like it's her father he should take responsibility of his action and teach her lesson but instead he send her away to a other country with her abusive mother. Truly a shitty dad
Chloe is an example of character abuse by the creator and it's disgusting. Even though Chloe is not a real person, I feel sorry for her more than any other character on this show, because she literally lives in a world where everyone hates her, where everyone has turned their backs on her, including her only friends, where she will never find happiness, because according to her creator, she doesn't deserve it. but Chloe had potential, starting with her relationship with her parents, ending with the fact that she is one of Adrian’s few childhood friends translated using Google translator
Yes I totally agree with you She's a great example of her Character by thr creator and it's disgusting even though Chloe is not a real Porson I feel sorry for har more then any other character on this show everyone has turned their backs and hates her I felt sorry for her pain including Marinette and the whole Class she will never find happiness because according to her creator she doesn't what to hear so that's because of all the hate and disgraceful starting with her parents she was good Character and the main villain of Hawk Moth
Chloé is spoiled, selfish, and shallow. And the fact that Adrien still considered her a friend after all the terrible things she's done is just an outright mericle. The truth is she doesn't deserve any friends, or anymore chances. She may not have the perfect life (despite having all the money in the world), but that in no way gives her the right to mistreat others.
I suspect it had more to do with them wanting to give Sabrina the Dog Miraculous than any real desire to re-write Sabrina's friend groups. Maybe they will show her playing Soccer again, or maybe she will disappear into the background like Max, Mylene or Alix often do.
Too late. Besides, sabrina sometimes enjoyed bullying others. She was forgiven too easily. Her development is forced and is rather for the sake of making chloe lose everything than for the sake of development
@@annett_55555 honestly everyone forgets that sabrina left chloe super easily back in season one and only went back since mari didn't communicate properly about the homework due to evilstrator(and mari found her needy)? and people wonder why chloe might think people might only want her for her money at times?
Marinette was totally ridicolous in the finale... She is a superhero with superpower and the whole city is with her, yet she can't handle a single bratty girl... She literally fell to Chloe level...
Let’s be honest. Literally nobody could handle her except for adrien, Sabrina, and her father. As much as I’m not a huge fan of marinette as most people are and I hate Thomas for cutting off her redemption arc, you’re forgetting that Chloe was a bully to literally everyone and her reasons for bullying don’t excuse it as she literally caused half of her classmates to get akumatized. So marinette and everyone else had the right to hate Chloe.
@@AnimeMemez78 Chloe is not even a bully, or a character... She is crazily evil and stupid that a normal person could just feel unconfortable next to her, saying "Wow, She really need a psychoanalyst... ". Marinette and co hate her because they can't handle her, they can't fight her because they are kinda pathetic even with their superpowers and huge numerical superiority... they get offended by her stupid attitude and fall to her level when they need to get their avenge to her... They are not superheroes, they are super lame... My opinion.
To be honest Chloe got what she deserved in the end of this intense episode as she had turn on everyone who believe that Chloe would change like Adrien and Miss Bustier, Sabrina is no longer her friend anyway now that she knows the type of person Chloe really is and she still won't acknowledge all her wrong doing or even take responsibility for her action ( Season 3 - Season4- Season 5) since Chloe have no sense of right and wrongs because she's a selfish brat who only cares about herself. To be honest (again) it's partly André's fault for not being a proper father to Chloe back Season 1 -Season 4 because he always let Chloe get away with everything and afraid of his controlling wife instead of acting like a real man and stand up to them in the first place. But I'm glad to see that André had finally take responsibilty for Chloe's action and decided in the last episode to divorce Audrey for good while granted custody for Zoé before resign as Mayor of Paris which explain why Chloe and her mother are in the private plane. If Chloe was more like her half sister Zoey then her life would have been different like in Season 2 but now she became a hateful person in both Season 4 and Season 5 so I'm sorry to have to tell Chloe this but she had no one to blame but herself. If you're still feeling sorry for Chloe in this episode then blame Astruc for changing Chloe's character in the first place.
André only mentioned he had to fix his mistake. And voilà, he threw away his "responsibility" and "mistake" to cherish a replacement - sweeter, better, and much nicer ! The reality where no one is in good side.
I think what worse is I don't think chloe was irrdeemable...she HAD been showing babysteps of progress and she had wanted to change genuinely but we also saw how weak her understanding was when some of her best motivation was adrien and to not disappoint a teddy bear. by choe was even able to push ut the butterfly and resist hawkmoth which teh show establsihed mostly the strong willed good characters could do. the issue stems from what WE the audience knows vs what the characters know about why chloe agree to side with hawkmoth that first time. marinette and otehrs understandbly think it was jst chloe feeling entitled to the bee but chloe was atually targetted by hawkmoth, her parensst where akumatized by hawkmoth where he TOLD her point blank it was becuase of chloe and he implied he could do it again, isolated her on a rootop and cut of her ladybug signal so she couldn't get help...dug actively into her insecurities after setting choe up for this. and then brought out pollen who ladybug failed to protect..if chleo hadn;t agreed he would have kept pollen and other other miraculi and she would have been alone with no way to protect herself with a agressive adult villian. where yes him digging into her insecurity also got her to agree bt she agreed once he released her parents.... and once she returned to norma////she felt she burned her last bridge with ladybug by siding with hawkmoth...so to cope she blamed ladybug by saying if chloe had just kept her as the bee or chose her...which I get to many sound slike chloe was just being entitled...but when you have context feels liek chloe is saying i you had kept be on as the bee i wouldnt have been targetted that way...chleo had agreed/understood not being the bee in a previour episode since it was to keep herself from being targetted and pollen safe...only chloe got targetted anyway, couldnt defend herself and ladybug failed to protect pollen. so chloe then wanted to run from paris ony for her parenst getting along gettin in the way of her getting away. then she seemd to get /meaner afterwards but also way more than she used to and in less 'logical; ways. which is easy to see as the just simplifying her as just evil...but felt like she was doubling down in being mean as a distraction and becuase it was familar. which actually parallels both mari and adrien who try to use old behaviours as coping mechanisms to distract themselves. pushing people away at different times themselve sand strugging to atriculate the real source of their mixed feelings. chloe feels like a example of what happens when no one looks deeper into your acting out ad you don't get a chance to be honest about your fears due to trying to overcompensate to distract yourself from your issues. and how acting bad even it covering up deepr issues means that people might get distracted by your acting out and actually be turned away and it means no one will be able to get you help if you keep rejecting it that way. like for mari because she's generally a good person/..when she did act out or was unreasonable ot lashed out at people/pushed people away...they ere more willing to stick it out with mari and keep trying because mari's coping mechanism wasn't actively being mean like chloe. I feel mixed about it because akumas show that villians are people who are hurt who lash out in the worst ways often...but that it means they need people willing to help them because those villians are also people in need of help. and chloe was directly manipulated by hawkmoth and lila and sabotaged along with her already not having a strong foundation due to her family. so on one handthe show points out you can't let people get away with acting that way and hurting people(as the herps always try to minimize and reverse the damages and stop the villians) just like how if pople act terrible you shouldn't tolerate that behaviour an should call it out properlt...... but i also feel mixed because we also know the true villians were people who manipulated the akumavictims into indulging in acting out on their worst impulsives to validate their feelings...but we know chloe was manipulated by he bad guys to be worse as well. i can't help but feel like theres something untapped there they aren't properly adressing..... especially considering how they handled the hawkmoth gabe thing.
Honestly its her dads fault shes like that. He never raised Chloe right or taught to respect others. He literally spoils her and gets her everything she demands and he never says anything to her. like fr she wasnt raised right he could have at least taught to be kind. Nobody else to blame but him. Its actually his fault its like he doesn't even care. Chloe is a terrible person and marinette is way better then her as shes kind smart abd strong. She and cat noir r the best superheros. Even Adrien cutted Chloe off as a friend. But Sabrina she also annoys me like she doesn't have to he ger slave just to be friends with her. Chloe isnt even a true friend and she doesn't even care about her at all. Just to stay friends with her she likes to follow her stupid demands. Like shes clearly just using her. She is a fake friend Chloe. I acctually feel bad fir Sabrina she deserves better. There are other people to be friends with too. Not just Chloe. I wouldn't listen to anyone if they told me to their hw like wth. I would rather have no friends then be friends with someone like Chloe idc. Like why doesn't Sabrina try to make friends with better people.
Hopefully with Chloe realizing she hit rock bottom MAYBE Thomas Astruc will go easy on Chloe especially if he sees her fans still want the best for her. Like I didn’t give up on Chloe she just needed to lose everything to do right
Yh even before a few times even Adrien told her off and told her to be nice to others now he no longer cares about their friendship and ended the friendship with her for good. Chloe doesn't deserve any friends. And as for Sabrina for someone who is so smart in her studies she should be smart enough to know she doesn't need to follow her demands to be her friends she shouldn't have stayed friends with her in the first place like what is wrong with her. There are better people to be friends with like marinette and her friends. I would rather have no friends then be friends with Chloe.
I agree. Especcialy Adrien. Chloe was Adrien First Friend. Chloe was probably kind on the past.. But. at then. she changed as a BAD Person. That is the reason why adrien BROKE HIS FRIENDSHIP with HER. (chloe).
I hated what he did with Chloe. If he hated her so much as a character, why even waste episodes showing WHY she was how she was. Later seasons made her no different to Lily, except being a worse liar. Heck even her final appearance showed her having REGRETS while looking at Sabrina's contact image in her phone all while her mother is berating her. Changes I would have done, considering she was a master manipulator she could have turned the tables on Hawkmoth and Mayura in Miracle Queen. Since he gave her the power to control Miraculous holders with bees, she'd let herself get akumatized, get that power, then use it on Mayura or hawkmoth when the time was right. At the end Hawkmoth deakumatizes her and escapes with Mayura. Master Fu doesn't stop being guardian at that time. *This happens AFTER his teacher comes to berate him* Chloe willingly gives up Pollen, saying she will cheer on the sidelines while she tries to be more like her hero and be more nice in general. Which would actually happen, with Marinette being the last one. Later getting resolved during the Hacksan episode, where a change I would make is it would be similar to Pixelator but Chloe and Marinette would be trapped in the same place in a digital space of Markov's storage. During that time Chloe would reveal why she hates marinette "Both your parents love you!!!". Bonding as well by the time they get saved, and laughing at the exact time once rescued due to a funny moment/story they shared while trapped. Chloe doesn't get Pollen back, lets her half sister get it but hangs out with her after patching things up to also hang with Pollen again. Instead she uses her allowance to get a secure meeting area for the heroes. Basically a secret base for all the holders.
@@ethantan9434 One wonders how she will be if she returns? Will she be full of bitterness and anger towards Ladybug, or will she be completely broken after being under her mother's thumb? Probably the former as Thomas Astruic said she is irredeemable right?
@@Noratcat i feel like the latter one honestly, as Thomas isnt writing for future seasons and also bc it seemed more potential and thats what the ending kinda of her arc currently seems to suggest.
@@paintingdreams290 This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but eventually, Marrinette will have to choose a heroic wielder for the Butterfly Miraculous. I mean, the show's been greenlit for more seasons, and since Thomas isn't writing episodes anymore, what if Chloe becomes the butterfly wielder after what happened to her. I mean, butterflies are symbols of transformation, and if hitting rock bottom inspires Chloe to one day change, it could symbolize her transformation. Plus, considering her half-sister uses an insect based Miraculous, it could be interesting if the other sister used one. But, this is probably wishful thinking on my part.
Chloe is a charecter written by writers most of the criticism is directed at them for retconning anything with her and turning her into a one dimensional charecter even worse than she was in season one
I always feel I have a soft corner for chloe 💛more than zoe, though even after multiple chances she has proved to be self centred and is a negatively portrayed character But I feel deep down she is Lovable and in childhood she never experienced mother's love and care she was only nurtured by materialism. She is just so lonely no one really likes her...She just tried to compensate it and act like it doesn't matter by acting ridiculously mean... I always feel marinette being in a great position 🐞can be more welcoming and be accepting towards chloe like in evil- illustrator... I feel Lila is the most suspicious and evil character, the main villain even worse than Gabriel... 🥶😡😰 I think Lila is a reason why chole and marinette may unite together for the purpose.. Below are fee pretty pairs Marinette & Adrien ❤️🖤 Kagami & Felix💙💛 Chloe & Luka 💛💙 I feel Luka is the one who has the musical power🎸🎼 to understand chole's rhythm🎶 and change her for good from being utterly ridiculous 😊😂 Because I really can't get over beloved ridiculous Queen Bee👑 🐝 I feel when chloe n marinette will unite they will get insane strength ❤️💛
Zoe may be younger than Chloe but she's much better than her! Still there are sometimes I wanted to Chloe to change! I've never forgotten when my sister who is the eldest yelled at me and told me that I was acting like a frightened princess who was surrounded by Three monsters who were my mother my father and herself and it really hurts and the worst part about that is that she never apologized to me for yelling at me I am really sensitive about things like that! Chloe is the oldest half-sister but not the nicest! Sometimes she reminds me of Lori from the Loud House who yaks on her cell phone just like Candace from Phineas and Ferb! I always thought that little siblings are a pain but even older siblings could be a pain sometimes even big sisters! Which is one of the reasons why I identify with Zoe even if she and Chloe are half-sisters Chloe is the oldest but still a Major Pain! Which is why sometimes being the younger sister is very difficult even for Zoe she may be the half sister but she's younger than Chloe and that's why I identify with Zoe! I wonder if Zoe would look good in the dress that's mostly her own style especially when she likes to celebrate parties with her friends! I'd bet she'd look cute in a yellow dress something that is New York style! And you want to know something else? I think Sabrina should be friends with Zoe instead of Chloe and Lila! Also it's Lila I don't trust! I'm just saying you must have been difficult having a sister who is older and such a pain! But I still love my older sister anyway! Chloe and Zoe on the other hand they are half sisters! Anyway if I ever make my own kind of characters that are named Chloe and Zoe they should be twins only they are black skin girls and one would be an Emo Goth and the other would be a sporty tomboy and the prankster! But according to my own cartoon they were manipulated by a snobby redhead girl named Polly Ester! What can I say? I am a cartoonist and I conspire play some cartoons huh?
No, she didn't Marinette told her she couldn't have it as as her identity was compromised when throughout Season 4 Nino/Alya and Luka's family are repeatedly targeted by the bad guy and the show treats it like it's a "coincidence". Ladybug doesn't even understand why Chloe is so upset with her in Queen Banana. Everything in Chloe's life is just someone else disappointing her. Just to show how cruel the show is to her they even gave the Butler a Daughter just so Chloe can be replaced in that surrogate role too. There comes a point when you realise no one is going to give you a hug and Mr. Cuddly isn't enough anymore. There has to be very few fictional characters where a show has gone out of it's way to be so cruel to one of it's characters as Chloe, only Baxter Stockman had it worse.
Ladybug doesn't even understand why Chloe is so upset with her in Queen Banana everything in Chole's life is just someone else disappointing her She did the same thing in Queen Bee And there comes a point when no one is going to give cuddly isn't enough anymore And in Season 4 Nino/Alya and Luka's family are repeatedly targeted and she didn't tell Marinette told her she couldn't have it as her identity And I felt so sad 😞 no wonder they realised what she did and she threw it all away from her I knew she was evil I don't understand the feeling identity he was so upset what Shooting a shining Gold light it is made miserable life the movie was not good at all How just to show how cruel Character the show is to her there moment Mr. Cuddly isn't enough anymore surrogate role too
While I do think it's sad Chloe wasn't redeemed, it is also true that not all bullies get better and learn from their mistakes, and Chloe acting all entitled toward the bee miraculous really doesn't help her case, especially when even as Queen Bee she was selfish and only did heroic stuff to be praised by the people and not for the greater good
Literally everyone got a happy ending in season 5 expect Chloe 🙂 Even the main villian monarch and the heroes everyone lived happily ever after First of all she got a terrible childhood Her abusive mother barely remembers her name Absolutely got no friends and looses her only friend Adrein She was trying to be kind and good when ladybug just replaced queen bee with visperia cuz of her own personal grudges She gets controlled by Lila…Chloe is not Chloe anymore This is just too much She deserves a happy ending in the coming seasons and moreover Queen be should be back
Too late. Besides, sabrina sometimes enjoyed bullying others. She was forgiven too easily. Her development is forced and is rather for the sake of making chloe lose everything than for the sake of development
I’m glad Sabrina had turned over a new leaf and finally went behind Chloe’s back working for the good guys! I will never forgive Mr. Astruc for ruining Chloe’s character! That was UTTERLY ridiculous!
Excuse me while I roll my eyes at all the people who are screeching about failed redemption, people. She was not gonna be redeemed, and if you actually look at her character, she had not actually changed. Because if she had actually changed, then answer me this : Did she ever apologize to Marinette for over nine years of bullying? If you can prove to me that she ever did, I will take it all back.
Chloe is and always will be my favorite character in Miraculous Ladybug. Although she's done so many horrible things, her behavior is understandable considering everything she went through before the series and during the series. Her character is probably the most complex
I am going for Chole and he will be my Supervillain Character although she's done so many horrible things, her behaviour is incredibly considering before her character was a bully and the most complex she went through the series the main antagonist and horrible ways you can do and that's why she was my favourite Things about her
I like the fact that Andre doesn't get in trouble and yet the one thing he thinks he's done right was sending Chloe away! He should've done better as a father! Andre was never in the picture and when she is she doesn't parent her and just ridicules Chloe and telling her that the only exceptional thing about her is her mother! Andre does nothing to parent her and leaves the butler to watch over her as her third parent. He might be mayor, but he should've also been a father for a daughter who felt alone and barely had any friends. A parent to teach her right and wrong and not learn the negative traits from her mother. Maybe then, she could've been better. Heck, she was getting a redemption arc until Astruc stripped it away from her! Not only that, but Ladybug wasn't exactly the best with Chloe. She looked up to her as a better role model, and when Ladybug made the mistake to give Kagami a miraculous (out of jealousy to get her away from Adrien) she felt like she was abandoned like how her mother abandoned her. The choice she made in trusting Hawkmoth wasn't the greatest, but she was hurt and felt betrayed by her idol. It's interesting that Ladybug let the others keep their miraculous when they got discovered by Hawkmoth (Kagami being the first, though even after that it was Chloe's fault for the others being discovered but still), but she couldn't let Chloe do the same? Yeah, this show is truly something else.
she admitted to lying about traveling around the world so she can skip the school in season 2 and lying about pushing Marinette down the stairs. She also threatened sabrina so they now know she is manipulative. She didn't know their classmates were eavesdropping the entire time
The show kept going on despite how awful it looks It’s almost no wonder why fanfics are far better than the original and people complained why people don’t like the show, if they want to know, say the name “Thomas Astruc” Edit: Why does this reminds me of JK Rowling when it’s about Draco Malfoy not getting a redemption? Or is it like JK Rowling when it’s about Draco Malfoy not getting a redemption?
I think this video misunderstood a few things. Adrien didn't abandon Chloe as he's a pathetic simp, Chloe was already started to disentangle herself from him after she realised she'd been instantly replaced by Alya, Nino and Marinette. Adrien was completely false (much like Lila was being disingenuous) he threw Chloe away like old trash. When Chloe was so antagonised by her class in Queen Banana (which I won't get into here) she was expecting him to well comfort here, see if she was alright, you know actually give a crap about her safety and well being, I thought it was heavily implied Toxic Marinette has been badmouthing Chloe to Adrien in the movie theatre and as Adrien doesn't have any brain cells he doesn't rent off someone else he just goes along with it. You can see how shocked and heart broken Chloe is. As Adrien made it very clear he'd always pick ANYONE and everyone over Chloe. That was a knife in Chloe's chest that is why she hardened her hear to Adrien, and why she kept giving him a chance to prove he cared about her, and not just about anyone who wasn't her, he failed the test every time and by the time they broke Chloe likely had a very very low opinion of Adrien as weak and easily lead. Or to be uncouth about it Marinette keeps Adrien's ball in her purse. Chloe found out that her Prince was a Princess and a pretty pathetic one, so was no longer interested, to be blunt about it Adrien isn't good enough for her.
No the problem is Chloe got herself in the movie and she was continuously being annoying and irritating wanting this and that and this making stupid requests and they couldn’t just wait for her to simply do her demands like her servants do Marinette didn’t badmouth her at all she was excited to see the movie herself Adrien didn’t make it clear that he would choose anyone over her He just said “You told me you’d stop being mean to others or our friendship won’t last” No one wanted to put up with her BS and she starts acting like a toddler that’s having a tantrum
Marrienette is worse than Chloe you know Mary she has hurt Adrian in a way you will find out can never be forgiven like you know these two anime characters will fight
@@scarletweb2106 facts. Chloe is the worst of the worst especially cuz of what she did to marinette and treated her in 8th Grade before Adrien was there. She put bugs in her locker, got her in trouble at school, got Kim to do that mean prank on her and break her heart and got her friend sequoline suspended. She just liked to bully marinette and make her life hell. She doesn't deserve friends.
I honestly thought her being chosen as the carrier for the bee miraculous was the first step in her redemption arc. But she’s just flat out *rotten to the core* And not in a good way
As far as I'm concerned ladybug and Adrien were the ones who gave up on chloe, while it was Sabrina and Lila/Cerise who abandoned her. And as much as some fans would hope that chloe will change, only time will tell
@@kendremcintyre273, I'm not. You said that chloe had been good for a short while, but her greed for power always had the upper hand, so let's see if she'll make the decision to start fresh in new York and come back as a better person
Gee can you blame them Chloe had opportunities to change her ways but she chose to stay mean and cruel I mean just look at Adrien and Sabrina they are the nicest people in her life and even they couldn't take her mean and cruel nature anymore. That should have been a red flag right there for her but noo she just kept being mean to everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if this girl died a lonely person when she becomes an adult
“Every character that abandoned Chloe.”
Me: Her Mom
Don't forget about her creator and Lila
And he's dad, step-sister, only friend, Gabriel Agrest, his classmates and he's teacher
Adrien.
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
Don't forget the first character
that ever abandoned Chloe:
*Thomas Astruc*
Thomas never actually abandoned her. He smashed the character and retconned ALL character development she had, and made her far worse then she was in the previous seasons and did what he could to turn the fans against her
@@JazzDevie777you know what’s worst is spoiler alert 🚨 I heard Chloe may die in season 6 on her moms plane the plane will probably crash
@@ThatGirlShay11 dang.......he should have done it sooner if he hated the character that much
@@ThatGirlShay11Honestly she deserves it (not the dying part lol)
It would be great if chloe gets her arc but if she doesn't I think it's time for her to rest
It's better than making chloe even more unlikable and even more hated yk?
In Season 6, Chloe is going to group therapy in New York
Chloé being sent to live with her mother is the stuff of nightmares. Audrey’s practically Chloé all grown up. So if living with her mother doesn’t make her finally shape up, nothing will.
I gave up on ML in season 2, but given Audrey's behavior when she learned how much her daughter was like her, I don't think living with Audrey would have whipped Chloé into shape.
If anything, Audrey would have enabled Chloé even more, effectively training Chloé to be a more effective bully, and she was already pretty bad in season 2.
There's a reason the entire school celebrated when they heard Chloé was leaving France.
@@frankielovejoy9928 Audrey blames Chloé for ruining the non-existent reputation of the Bourgeois name, so I don’t know about you but judging by her tone, it doesn’t seem Chloé will get any leeway from her. Not after the events of Revolution.
@@theodorecarter6601 I meant the events of season 2. In season 2, Chloe and her mother were starting to get along somewhat well and Audrey was going to take Chloe to New York with her instead of Marinette before Chloe's father had enough and was akumatized into Malediktator.
Like I said, I gave up on the show in season 2. I only go back to it sporadically, but at THAT point in the series, Audrey would have been an enabler, or at least her shallow disregard for Chloe would have pushed Chloe further down the rabbit hole, especially given that she would have been alone in a big city, not even having childhood friends like Adrien to tolerate her.
But yes, by season 5, given what we know now, their relationship would have definitely been negatively affected.
My point was, regardless of what stage of their relationship you look at, Audrey would certainly NOT have whipped Chloe into shape. Being left alone with Audrey would only ruin Chloe.
I think Audrey and Andre spoil Chloe way too much
A parent is supposed to be good natured and discipline their children
Chloe had so much potential that got squandered. I was so happy when she was offered the Bee Miraculous because that was the opportunity for her to show she was capable of growing as a person/character and becoming a genuinely good person, friend, and hero, but then the showrunners ruined it.
I was thinking the same thing and I stopped watching this show after season 3 because of this
Honestly she doesn't deserve to be queen bee she just wanted to show people she's such a good hero but she was still mean to people even Sabrina. Her half sister is so much better than her at being queen bee. Chloe is just a mean selfish brat.
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies).
However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing.
Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future.
I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power.
Read it when you have the chance.
@@JabamiLain Chleo tans who still wantes her as Queen bee are stupid
@@bismaibraheem6554no, she actually started to change. her change was actually slow but you can see in that particular season(the one with her as queen bee), she didn't bug many people in becoming a villain. she also didn't bug Marinette that much anymore. she still treat Sabrina poorly but she could've still have a good development IF only Thomas didn't interrupt it and made her a villain till the end. Her character was literally ruined.
Also, her sister is indeed good. But her personality doesn't give much. Thomas just made all the characters have the same personality and it's just really boring.
Thomas Astruc is the Puppet Master... He made the characters turn their backs on Chloe by pulling the strings because he's not a fan of her... He did a "great" job turning the fans against her too... Guess what, Thomas... I'm still a fan of Chloe no matter how she'll be written as in future season(s) and honestly, I miss her as Queen Bee. She still has so much potential... I won't give up on Chloe and neither should her remaining fans who hoped/are still hoping for her character development. Chloe may be put on a bus-- I mean plane for now, but I feel she'll return one day. Question is will she be humble and change for the better or continue to be hateful & despised by everyone?
I given up on the show doing anything good with Chloe at this point. I'm hoping the movies will remake the show into what it should've been from the beginning and gives Chloe the character development she needed to be redeemed. Yeah people can say she had a choice in S3, but if Marinette and Adrien has been more active with Chloe and tries to help show her she can be a hero without the miraculous by changing her attitude and treating people better(being who she wants to be and not who her mom wants her to be)
Then I believe Chloe would've developed into an amazing person, she just needed the help to get there.(which she didn't receive) the only help she received where from Hawkmoth, to be the bad guy(again).
I understand she couldn't be QB anymore, that makes sense I understand that, but then why is Marinette letting everyone else keep their miraculous even though Shadowmoth knows their identities, and even let's Alya keep hers?! There's a contradiction there!
I do believe Zoe could've worked, of they used her to further Chloe's development/Redemption. Like Ladybug needs the bee miraculous again, and decides to take a chance on Chloe. This would Chloe to a choice, of being QB again or being a regular everyday hero. Chloe would eventually decline and suggest Ladybug gives it to her sister Zoe, believing the miraculous would help her like it did for her. This would've brought an end to her arc, which would've been so much better. I'm hoping the movies do something like that with Chloe, cause girl deserved a better arc then what she got.
@@lavenderrose82honestly atp I've given up on the writers giving Chloe any development in the show, but like you said there might be some hope for her in the movies as she seemed like a regular bully instead of what she became in s4-5, I'm hoping the 2nd movie will bring back her as Queen Bee
@@ishashifarChloe having better development depends on if Thomas Astruc is working on the movies aswell. If he is, idk he’ll change anything about her and let her have a redemption arc.
There are many reasons why MLB is one of those really badly written shows. One of the many reasons is them trying somethin and scrapping it. I don't think anyone ever asked for a change in Chloe's actions or a redemption. Personally Chloe's character to me during the start of MLB, was just like one of those annoying stupid ass brats, nothing more nothing less. I didn't hate her nor did I like her. She was just there. But during the time season 2 came out I noticed so many people making vids about Chloe, People clearly seemed to like her development throughout season 2, And I joined in on the wagon cause,at some point I found myself liking Chloe even more than Marinette. Chloe had it good starting and she started to be likable. But by the end of season 3 we were bamboozled. They suddenly turned her development upside, I mean it is so clear they didn't know what they were doin. Thomas Astruc said it was because she was just evil, Which is an overstatement because,she was just an annoying brat.But Chloe was lonely her only true friends were Adrien and Sabrina.And now she's really all alone. Chloe wasn't evil she was just a spoiled lonely child who wasn't taught right from wrong because her Father was bootlicker and her Momma wasn't even Mommy-ing. She was basically a neglected child. Yes She's neglected her Father only ever does whatever she wants and goes off to do his job as a Mayor. And ofc her Mother I mean her entire existence proves it, She don't even remember her own child's name most of the time. Even if we didn't get all that redemption you could see that, Ofc that don't justify Chloe's actions its still very clear. And so when they just scrapped and butchered her Redemption I was actually so pissed. Because not only have they just lost many fans they've lost viewers because I'm sure many dropped the series,Obviously not only because of what happened to Chloe but you get what I mean. They could've profited so well on the Chloe redemption Arc, Because yes ok we love our Main character she's nice and sweet and blah blah but Chloe was actually funnier than Marinette, Because in the end their attempt to make Marinette funny by making her comically clumsy was so bad it hurt, Chloe's Sass also made her very likable too. I mean just take characters like Clover from Totally Spies, Stella from Winx Club , and Cleo for Monster High for example, Why do people like them so much, das cause they were such great characters, Cleo was a classic Queen , She even always followed that GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY want, But for so many times I liked her vibe. Like during this one Movies, Friday Night Frights, The entire movie Cleo was actually just so relatable, while everybody was trying to find a way to beat the other school's roller skating team, Cleo was like " Oh yah I'll step back from this show and y'all do your thing. Call me when you need me" Basically how she was during the entire movie, And it was honestly funny. Either Cleo is a great example of one of those characters who are mean but like in a good way Idk how to explain. That goes the same for Stella and Clover, in any case they have similarities they're aren't exactly mean but they really know how to speak their mind and like won't hesitate to smack down at somebody who threatens them. Now Chloe could been one of those beloved Characters but again and aGAINNNN They scrapped it. They could've went that direction but they flopped. Why did they even try giving her those qualities if they were just gonna butcher her redemption.Because its very clear how they started it out since S4 to S5, they made her just irrationally evil like many horrible evil bullies in IRL. Its as if they were tryna direct people to hate her since now she's just an evil daughter of a Bitch, Literally. They say Chloe is evil and completely brushed her character off to the side, But oH Wait a man who treats his son like a puppet, and a man who has caused so much destruction, and A MAN WHO IS SUCH A HYPOCRITE becomes a hero😑We all know in love as Hockmoth.
They started making the show more watchable to More older audiences, because many from young children to even grown Adults actually liked the show. Now here is the problem with that. Nobody asked for it. Literally Nobody. Everyone initially went into the show because it was interesting and even if it was a children show they still liked it. I mean look at Shows like Winx Club. Monster High, Amazing World of Gumball, Steven Universe, and so much more. These shows are directed young audiences, but people of all ages watch it. Amazing World of Gumball is a very fun show to watch even if you aren't a kid and it still is. So many of the shows before and even now still have fans who watch it even after they've grown up. So they didn't need to change it in anyway it was fine as it was from the beginning. Nobody cared if it was a children's show. The show was relatively fine as is. They just sent themselves down such a curvy line.So many bumps. This show is one of those shows that had potential but then just flopped. Because the author's didn't know the audience. Now is just a weird as show with so many plot holes.
I am very disappointed in the flopped redemption of Chloe. I don't even think the writers themselves can redeem THEIRSLEVES with changes cause they've already replaced Chloe with Zoe, such a stupid attempt. Is not Like I hate Zoe but yk . Idk what direction this show will take but we'll see how it goes.
I agreed! A beautiful girl as Chloé as love her since the first season don't deserverd a very bad writting!
Marinette, beside Chloé is just a stalker, psychopatic girl and a mary-sue who taking Adrien from Chloé! Well done you stupid Ass-truc!!😡😡
For the reast, the series as non senes, and it's just a guilty pleasure!
I hate how they made Gabriel live happy even though he could have killed millions , and made Chloe have the worst ending by leaving with her abusive mom :/
Yeah me too
He didn’t, though. He died in the finale.
@@jedyoung767 what do you mean
@@fiorettiduseigneurcapybara2492 He made wish in the finale, but he didn't get to live happily. Instead, for Emilie to be brought back, he had to die. Now, I'm not a fan of how it ended, but the wish did have a price and he paid for it with his life.
if it's Emilie is yet to be seen: Nathalie was healed at the end...I think he sacrificed himself for her (it would make more sense since Emilie basically said "Don't try to revive me" bringing her back after learning she didn't want that doesn't seem right to me@@jedyoung767
Most of these I can forgive, but not André. Parents have special obligations to their children and he's directly responsible for her poor behaviour.
You know that she is going to leave Paris is because I can't refuse her to leave she was a quite good at her Character
…you can forgive audrey but not andre
@@bluebluechickenhe said most hope this helps
Chloe is wasted potential like everything else in this series.
She's just a spoiled brat she doesn't even deserve friends even Adrien left her.
Chloe she is wasting everyone's time
@@scarletweb2106 did anyone ask your opinion
I don't think she's a wasted potential. She actually gives out a good lesson. Chloe was given so many chances to be a better person even when she didn't deserve it. But she chose to stay the same and that lead people to abandon her. And still don't understand why she's all alone.
She's like Sissi from Code Lyoko except unlike her Sissi actually had good redeeming moments unlike Chole.
You forgot to mention the most important person who 'abandoned' her. THOMAS ASTRUC. He forced her to lose ALL of the good traits and personality complexes we saw of her during S1, 2 and 3 to become a soulless monster with no redeeming features. This was done with no explanation or build-up, as if he didn't trust Lila to be the 'bad girl' of the show after all.
He even created the deathly dull Mary Sue 'Zoe' to replace her as QB, and even made an entire stupid retconning flashback episode to further demonise her. This once promising character has been totally RUINED by the show's creator, and quite honestly I'm glad she's leaving the series now. Poor girl could do with a break... :/
I'd rather if this still had to happen, at least connect it to Lila who made her regress. Lila already ends up using her anyway so they could have made that point in Lila being the worse. Let us not forget Marinette herself even said once that Lila was even worse than Chloe.
Thomas Astruc didn’t abandon her. She was written in as a bully and her character was given a choice in season 3: become Queen Bee again and get vengeance on Ladybug for “not trusting her,” or refuse it, and trust what Ladybug had done. Bullies do not change on a dime. They still can change, because I’m pretty sure I flirted with that line in middle school, but those changes don’t typically happen without something big changing in them. In season 2, when she donned the Bee miraculous, she did it out of spite towards Marinette. Afterwards, in season 3, when Ladybug told her she can never again give her the miraculous, Chloé blamed Ladybug instead of accepting the consequences of her actions, because she revealed her identity to the world, which put her at the most risk. She didn’t have the patience, concern, or the understanding to realize how unsafe it was. So, she decided to wallow in her anger and jealousy of Ladybug, but also because of her sister. I think deep down, her insecurities are still there, and when Zoe, her younger, half sister, arrived, those feelings grew.
Also, there doesn’t have to only be *one* “bad girl.” It’s like saying a superhero only has one villain. And who says she’s left the series? We may see her again when she’s realized, Lila’s played me for a fool. Her redemption is not off the table. But I think it will be all the sweeter, after all, once you’ve hit rock bottom, the only place to go is up.
And why do people think Zoe is a “Mary Sue” anyways? She still struggled with finding her voice, finding her identity, dealing with her sister, dealing with her feelings for Marinette. Hell, she still got akumatized! Just because a character’s growth isn’t massive, doesn’t mean it’s not there. There’s no doubt in my mind that she will probably fall into one of Lila’s traps and get akumatized again as she’s forced to deal with her jealousy of Adrien.
@@DKnight5170 Sorry, but that's a complete load of rubbish, you clearly don't know what you're talking about and are blinded by your baffling love of the show.
Miraculous is notorious for being one of the worst written cartoons around... with it's questionable moral decisions, terrible continuity, even worse dialogue and characters that have so little depth you couldn't drown a fly in them.
The worst thing to happen was for this brilliant idea to fall into the lap of someone as untalented as Thomas Astruc, as he has utterly destroyed the franchise for anyone over the age of 8 with a double digit IQ.
Anyway, like I said I am SO glad Chloe is out of the show... she only reached her true potential in S2 when she was written by BETTER writers and not Thomas and his merry band of idiots. Once he took full control again, that was it for her.
As least we'll have no more appalling Chloe salt episodes, she is finally free from her main abuser (Astruc) and will get MUCH better treatment in the various fanfics that tend to be FAR superior to the actual lore of the show. I wish her well. :)
@@DKnight5170Marinette still gave the miraculous to other heroes even if Hawkmoth knows their secret identities... that's enough to tell you that the writing is terrible.
@@blackumbrazozzino1257 Recall, Chloé and Alya were the only 2 he openly acted upon. The knowledge of the rest of them, he kept to himself, because Ladybug openly told both girls I can never give you another miraculous, even though Alya's was an illusion, Marinette still approved the decision.
Also included on this list: Astruc for tearing down all character development and “insisting” that she remain as irredeemable as possible
honestly those whoe keep beliveing Chloe was changing indeed are stupid
Yeah Chloe never change and now she's going to school in New York
So Andre the corrupt and sketchy politician gets redemption but Chloe doesnt 🤦
and a new daughter
His only crime was ignoring his dreams for a woman.
Próximamente: la redención de Lila Rossi.
Her corrupt and sketchy politcien his crimes was ignoring his character for a woman it sounds like a good Character
@@imafreakinninja12His crime was being an enabling jacka$$ who refused to actually raise his daughter and let her get away with murder because he couldn’t be bothered to actually parent.
André is like the most ridiculous one because he literally is the main reason Chloé ended up as she is and he even is a fucking CORRUPT MAYOR and he just goes “I’m swrry” and everyone just forgives him like that? What?
@@randomname1924 I'm glad Andre finally punished Chloe
@@scarletweb2106bruh what is the point of this comment😭😭😭”im glad the abuser abused their victim” how are you allowed outside bro🤨🤨
The thing that irks me the most about Chloe not being Queen Bee anymore is the excuse. Ladybug says “I can’t let you be Queen Bee anymore because Hawk Moth knows your identity”. Then why could Kagami continue being a superhero (someone who was a considerable past rival to Marinette)? Why could Luka? Why could Alya and Nino? For cripes sake, Kim, who caused Marinette to be traumatized with confessing love, still continues to be a superhero. I don’t see the logic behind Ladybug’s excuse, because if she really followed through with it, the entire OG miraculous team would be different. You can just tell that Ladybug is being biased and rather petty towards Chloe just because of their past. I won’t deny that Chloe was awful to Marinette. But she’s a teenager, and teenagers are problematic (the same can be said for Marinette’s behavior towards Adrien in S3 and S4 especially). And secondly, Kim also did something bad, but Marinette still have him his miraculous back. If that’s not cherry picking I don’t know what else is. Chloe had the potential to change but Thomas Astruc just had to let his own personal preference get in the way.
honestly I WISH they adressed this in the show as it being a valid critique against mari/ladybug. i lov mari but mari always thinks she's the mature logic one when mari is very much influenced by her emotions
@@margeryojije7862 I mean the thing is I get her facing consequences for what she doubled down on...I 100 percent get why she faced consequences for doubling down on being bad and her using bad coping mechanisms...but we also saw Chloe genuinely start to improve some and her real struggle to understand being kind due to how her family worked even when she was trying her best. and we also spent the show with chloe basically losing most of the time. WE know no one likes chloe and chloe also very much knows that and chloe emulates her parents who ARE succesful and who enable that behaviour. but we also know chloe's downfall was very much tied to adult gabriel/hawkmoth literally setting her up by taking people hostage including pollen and the other kwami's. I get everyone assuming chloe's reasoning for agreeing was her feeling entitled to being queen bee...but WE the audince literally know people were hostages and hawkmoth isolated her and dub into her insecurities and emotionally manipulated.
So the show acting like she was ENTIRELY ireedeemable when we've seen her cry and teh tone of other episodes point taht we should be taking the times chloe was improving seriously...it leaves a bad taste in the mouth you know? especially when the show was clearly pointing to chloe improving and we know that progress and nuance they SHOWED us got written out due to thomas.
so I get why you;d be frusterated at people defending chloe when her actions id deserve to be punished..but I do think your over looking too much why people feel the erge to do that when her becoming that bad didn''t feel natural considering how they set up the dynamic for a majority of the season.
I DO agree that Mari should NOT be in charge of making chloe better. chloe was mari's bully...and even without that sabotage epsiode with kim flashback putting it on mari to make chloe improve even as ladybug would not be fair. personally I think zoey or adrien should have been more involved. people trying to blame it on mari are just not being fair...but it doesn't mean people's critiques shouldn't stand when just chloe being unredeemable when others were stated to be redeemable with less work put in than chloe has REALLY bad implications.
I get wanting chloe to face karma and consequences but thematically things have WAY worst implications with how the show had only chloe really framed that way when the show had also had us understand her issues and weakness to being manipulated the most...especially with thematically akuma victims are people who are hurting and feeling negative who get enabled and emotionally manipulated into making worst decisions while unable to think rationally due to the negative emotions...and how the show sets up that those people need to be stopped but also are the ones in need of help as well..and that the bigger bad guys are the ones who take advantage. and how easy it would be to not realize those people need help.
@@clarisacalderon9555 I get what your saying, the show made Chloe the only irredeemable character. But for a different point of view, it kind of reflects reality for some people. You can be around people with their own flaws and you get along with them, but you have that one person that no one likes and is just outright a crappy person. Sometimes people are just irredeemable, the should had did it better, sure, and she was given many chances.
I do like someone else's comment about how Adrian was no better. He enabled Chloe behavior knowing she's not going to change.
My main antagonist was Chloe irredeemable character and a different point. Some people are complaining about giving many chances the one Porson was mean and selfish. That's the character that looks like I do really appreciate what I am saying. Chloe was behaviour was brilliant the Evil plan was secees that's I went to see
I feel like Chloe should've stayed as an anti-hero, It could've made the story more interesting
It’s a shame. Chloe showed when she gets the right push, she can be a better person. Like Malediktaor was the perfect start towards her redemption and she even apologized near the end of Queen Wasp for her actions and even confessed to Ladybug and despite their rivalry, Marinette trusted Chloe with the Bee Miraculous to help save her dad. I’m not hating Zoe, but she literally came out of nowhere
Chloe was never meant to be a better person because that meaning to quit her privilge of having everything she wants whenever she wantsx
@@inukaiser To each their own, but I disagree because of my earlier comment. Her character just needed time to grow and learn how to truly be a better person, but the creator threw it all away
Yh but she can never change she just wanted to show people that she's such a good superhero and she would always brag about being queen bee. But look where she is now. She purposely got herself akumatized and decided to hate and go against ladybug she's no superhero she's pure evil. No one even likes her.
Don't forget racist
Not to mention Chloe uses Kim to traumatized Marinette
It's actually beyond revolting that the show is sending Chloe off to live with Audrey.
As much as y'all try to dispute or excuse this, Chloe IS A VICTIM OF ABUSE. Just because Chloe is a mean person does not mean the abusive actions of BOTH her parents should be overlooked, especially considering that Audrey and Andre are QUITE LITERALLY THE REASON SHE IS THE WAY THAT SHE IS. Audrey is the most obvious perpetrator, being emotionally absent and verbally abusive, and essentially seeing no value in her own daughter other than just that fact that Chloe is her daughter, and some of y'all need to understand that Andre isn't any better just because he's the "better" parent. He enables Chloe's abusive tendencies towards others, but also does nothing to help her or even seems to care about her in the way a father should, he just buys her stuff in the hopes that it fills the broken heart Audrey has left her with. Not to mention he's nothing but a fat coward, because if he truly did love Chloe and want her to be happy, HE'D LEAVE AUDREY. It's not like he doesn't have the money or finances to do it, HE'S THE MAYOR. If anything, divorcing Audrey would be a cakewalk because his status as the mayor would make the separation be more in his favor.
The way this show has handled Chloe as an abused child is revolting, as is how they handled EVERY child of abuse in this show, from Chloe to Adrien, and Thomas Astruc is an absolute miserable sack of garbage for a writer.
Honestly, this speaks volumes about the kind of person Thomas Astruc really is. It's honestly amazing that he hasn't been committed to a psych ward considering he really needs to go to one.
@@VigriffChloe deserves to be part of a better show.
@@JuniorGustabo Agreed.
What she went through doesn’t excuse her bad behavior. Chloé CHOSE to be the way she is. She can change, she just CHOSE not to. She likes being a bully. She isn’t happy unless everyone else around her is miserable. Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.” Chloé has shown us who she is in the first season. Stop trying to use her home life as an excuse. Yes, Audrey was a horrible parent and Andre was an enabler at best, but that still doesn’t excuse her bad behavior.
I hope in Season 6 Chloe finally became a better person
Andrei will do anything for his daughter except spend time with her
I would love to see how they gonna portray chloe in the movie I hope they would give her the redemption he deserve
She’s still a brat. But VERY SLIGHTLY more tolerable
Wow in the movie, Chloe is more nicer
Chloe had like 5 seconds of screentime in the movie. She only existed to push marinette into a psychotic break and be a catalyst for her manning up.
Season 1 Chloe: I didn't promise.
Season 5 Chloe: I knew i should've kept that promise.😭
And the promised what she did was amazing Character and that's the promise
@@davidjamescaberte1133 Of what? Being a jerk to everyone?
Nothing can justify Chloe’s actions about how she mistreated people, but she was never given a redemption arc, her character development went down the drain, which I’m so glad that some of the mlb fans write her redemption on the internet.
How she get the attention of her mother? doing petty stupid things pretending to be so mean like her. Watching an adult taking part in some of the petty schemes of Chloe and Lila is so childish.
@@liaheben Agreed, it’s worse than a grown up is taking part in Chloe and Lila’s schemes.
bad chloe is abusive
@@jorgeandresacero4408 chloe is mean and abusive bc her parents are bad parents. Her mother is an abusive figure that only recognizes Chloe when she's mean. And her father neglects her, is a corrupt poltician and gives her things to please her
There is nothing wrong with Chloe's action align but the action is Marinette's fault isn't the problem she pretty mad at Frist
To be real chloe is the second most interesting and complex character in the show behind adrien. Chloe has so much characterization and has a tough backstory with a complex upbringing and a unique personality with a lot of negative traits balanced by a few positive traits. Compared to characters like marinette or alya, she's way more interesting and she was awesome as queen bee. If she could keep the miraculous, her civilian identity vs hero persona dynamic would have been so cool.
to be fair mari is actually pretty interesting to. the show TELLS us mari is this perfect rolemodel and just a good person and patient but what it SHOWS us is she judges quickly, is stubborn, petty and often sees what she wants to see and ignores evidence that counters the scenerio she has in her head. mari often has selfish reasosn for doing things alot of the time where she struggles to put herself accurate in other people's shoes where she puts someone elses feelings as secondary that we get distracted by because theres a bonus 'good' reason for her doing it that the show acts like is her main reason but very much wasn't. she and gabriel have STRONG parallels.
if we consider gabe as origianlly a good person/well meaning like mari but making elaborate plans thinking of the outcome rather than how you get there entirely...th earallels get strnger..with gabe being a darkmirror because gabe getting 'twisted' due to the huberious of thinking he is in control and how he was literally amplifying his own negative feelings duing a emotion miraculous inthe wrong way...if teh show just pointed out gabe was 'acting' as a villian but became more like the person he put on for real due to how he was using the miraculouses th efinally could have been stronger since. seriously saying he was literally going insane due to how he was dealing with the miraculous as a price would explain so much..be was honestly acting like a akuma victim would at times. more agressive, hyper focuses and difficultly thinking of plans outside of getting the miraculous even if would have solved their issues better.
@@sebaschan-uwu Adrien and Chloe deserve to be part of a better show like Adventure Time, Ninjago, Ben 10: Alien Force, Gravity Falls, Infinity Train, Mob Psycho 100, Final Space, BoJack Horseman, Arcane or The Midnight Gospel.
I love that scene where Marinette uses Chloé own catch phase against her. That was the final blow where Chloé finally realizes she’s reach total rock bottom.
And for Adrien Agreste's concerns, Chloe's bad girl behavior will if possible give her a bad future.
@eddog666 me to
Adrien made the right choice ending his friendship with others like Chloe and walked off, since he knew some people will never change. Why did you think he scolded at Lila for her lies?
@@devinmoody136i wont lie i kinda feel like chloe will end up becoming the next hawkmoth somehow after lila.
Yeah me too
My question is, why was she the big villain of the season 3 finale? All because Thomas Austruc didn't like her? It was stupid to waste her redemption.
👍. He has a personal vendetta against her and thinks she’s irredeemable
@Rosegirl398 He does! It's very immature and weird since he's a grown man.
I've heard it's because she was based on a bully he had in real life
@iamsherlocked7448 I've heard this rumor, too! Notice how her redemption happened in season 2, which was the season Thomas Austruc didn't work on. He came back in season 3 and somehow Chloe became the main villain of the climax when it should have been Lila. Thomas Austruc definitely couldn't stand that people started to like Chloe.
And my question is why are you telling me that she was amazing Character at Season 3 all because stupid people waste her redemption
*me disliking chloe back in 2016*
*me, slowly beginning to like chloe in 2018*
*me, now a chloe DEFENDER in 2023*
i don’t harbour any hate towards the other characters, excluding one.
i don’t hate or dislike kagami, zoe, felix, manon etc. i just don’t care about them enough to have a solid opinion.
back to hate: the one character i truly despise with all my heart goes to… thomas astruc himself. i don’t think i need to elaborate with context for this one.
So true
Exactly I’m not hating Zoe but she just came out of nowhere and that was so unecessary
Queen bee>>> Visperia
I blame her mother for neglecting her and her father for enabling her.
Frist she blame for her mother for neglecting her and her Father then after that they blame at everyone what in the class rejected her to much
It’s not abandoning, more like cutting their losses. You can’t reach out to these people until they’ve hit rock bottom and by then you’ll lose all interest.
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies).
However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing.
Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future.
I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power.
Read it when you have the chance.
Every time a character is there by her side, Chloe becomes a better person.
Every time a character abandons her, she becomes a worse person.
Chloe being irredeemable is the result of the people that gave her hope turning their backs to her (looking at you, Marinette)!
Looking at the people she abandons her to much and worse people who get effected with Chloe is the result of the people that gave her hopes and ignored her wasn't the plan
What do you think Chloe would be like if Gabriel never became Hawkmoth so her bad influence couldn't Akumatize anyone also she never meets, worship and antagonize Ladybug and Catnoir?
Yes
She forgot Miss Bustier
True
Miss Bustier did her best in episode 23. But her action is the last straw.
@@khongten-qk6no She did her best through the whole series, but her efforts didn’t work.
@@giannaangulo7006she didn't. She didn't punish chloe to make her realize she should change as a person
But in season 5 episode Confrontation, Ms. Bustier finally realized what happened to her students due to Chloe's bullying
End of episode 26: Everyone had a happy ending!
*Chloe didn't...*
End of this Episode in 26 Everyone had a happy ending but Chloe didn't it's ashamed of her she was not happy at all that's bad idea she was the main Character I felt sad for her I'm bother any happy ending once and for all
Chloe had potential and was slowly getting redeemed for her actions and slowly showing a gentle and compassionate side, then squanders it by betraying others when she doesn’t get her way. Ever since she got akumatised and past season 3 ending the authors just said let’s just make her the worst
Wouldn't it be worse sending away Chloe with the mother who only cares about being top-dog on everything? Andre gave up everything for Chloe's mother in an effort to win her. I mean it might give her a chance to see that she is not all that of a person with her mother neglecting her and verbally (too harsh to say abuse) bully her to submission because she's a child. Entitled, Selfish, Royal pain, and spoiled brat is what she is! I am super glad that Sabrina finally becomes her own person and take a step away from Chloe's influence. How exactly did Chloe and Adrien even become friends to begin with?
I think the reason adrien and chloe became friends was explained by adrien in season 2 ( i think malediktator) where he said something like chloe was the only person he actually talked to the same age since hes always isolated and that she was the only friend he first had
@@cartoonfangirl_1136 yea I had to rewatch the whole thing I don't why I asked that question - probably because they are opposites
Poor guy. If Chloe was the only person I had to talk to, I'd run and hide in my room.
@@markhughes8759Buy yourself some brains
@@markhughes8759 I will be the opposite too I will hide myself too in my room
Thomas Astruc is one of the few examples, as much as it pains me to say, should have the reins of Miraculous’ creative direction given to someone else despite being its creator.
The way the writers treat her is pathetic. Even if the intention was to make her a villain the least they could have done was given her some agency and not try to pretend like she never had good qualities. Seriously, fuck this show, I hope it fails.
Does Thomas even realise that they never explained Sabrina's whistle.
“Every single character that had enough of Chloe’s awfulness and rightfully left her.” There I fixed your the title of your
Poor Chloe such bad writing she could be powerful and the best character if the directors didn’t want her to be an antagonist
Admittedly, I was okay with Chloe taking a step back character wise in Miracle Queen because she still had so much potential to turn things around. Perhaps even leaving for New York would've helped her as her mom would've been too busy with her fashion empire to interfere with her development, and she could've met the United Heroes, allowing her to grow as a person and true ally.
Alas we may never get that.
I. Hate. Andre. Bourgeois.
He "raised" Chloe alone since she was 6/7, maybe younger. He knows his daughter is grieving her mom's abandonment but rather than putting in the time to be there and raise his daughter, he emotionally abandons her and spoils her ROTTEN. He let's her idealize a woman who is cheated and left them and turns her into a mini version of her on steroids. He gives Chloe jewels and writes and rewrites laws every time she raises her voice. Ruins lives. Makes things harder on the heroes, just because he does not want to actually parent her.
Then, after all the horrible things HE did, after enabling and raising her to be this way, he sends her off. Favours her half sister. And goes off to live his best life because he "cannot deal with her" anymore.
He is the most selfish man in Miraculous Ladybug and a worst father. Thomas Aspect saying HE deserved a happy endinf and change over Chloe, this is rediculous. Utterly rediculous.
But then again, grown men in this show always get more of a pass than 13-14 year old girls. Especially ones who make their careers off of making everyones lives utterly miserable. (Andre. Alec. Gabriel.)
He should get tortured for allowing Chloe terrorising anyone, including Marinette Dupain Cheng!
The first "character" that abandoned Chloe was Audrey when she was a child.
God, imagine if this happened to characters like Pacifica Northwest or Amity Blight.
the fact the French government didn't military forces to stop Chole when she became the dictator of Pairs the fricking capital of France us just plain stupid
Another character that got the redemption U turn was Gabriel. I had such high hopes for him finally seeing the error of his ways and trying to resist his own darkness, perhaps even becoming a potential mentor and ally for Marinette and Ladybug respectfully.
Honestly, seasons 4 and 5 were a major let down.
They didn't abandon her, she pushed them away. No matter how much they all tried to help her, Chloe did not want to listen to them and take their lessons to heart for more than just a short moment. No matter what happened to her, she still assumed she should remain the priority without sacrificing anything to try and be better.
But by pushing them away, they realized that she was never going to change so they had to abandon her
It seemed that like peers were simply cutting their losses.
Its Fucking Thomas hate bone shit.
I can't deal with this babyman...
Are you blind? Why you think Chloe will change after that heartless irredeemable racist brat cause so many hell and torture everyone for years
@@ethantan9434 and we the viewers got to drink her tears.
The only one that i hate for abandonning Chloé is André like it's her father he should take responsibility of his action and teach her lesson but instead he send her away to a other country with her abusive mother. Truly a shitty dad
I'm so proud of Andre
@@scarletweb2106 ok? I personally think he didn't deserve a redemption at all but i respect your opinion
@@scarletweb2106so what if he is ur dad.. how do u feel about it
Her last good episode was when she attempted to follow myura and helped defeat muraculer, was one of my favorite episodes despite not much happening
Chloe is an example of character abuse by the creator and it's disgusting. Even though Chloe is not a real person, I feel sorry for her more than any other character on this show, because she literally lives in a world where everyone hates her, where everyone has turned their backs on her, including her only friends, where she will never find happiness, because according to her creator, she doesn't deserve it. but Chloe had potential, starting with her relationship with her parents, ending with the fact that she is one of Adrian’s few childhood friends
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Yes I totally agree with you She's a great example of her Character by thr creator and it's disgusting even though Chloe is not a real Porson I feel sorry for har more then any other character on this show everyone has turned their backs and hates her I felt sorry for her pain including Marinette and the whole Class she will never find happiness because according to her creator she doesn't what to hear so that's because of all the hate and disgraceful starting with her parents she was good Character and the main villain of Hawk Moth
Chloé is spoiled, selfish, and shallow. And the fact that Adrien still considered her a friend after all the terrible things she's done is just an outright mericle. The truth is she doesn't deserve any friends, or anymore chances. She may not have the perfect life (despite having all the money in the world), but that in no way gives her the right to mistreat others.
Don't forget racist to all Chinese and Japanese
@@jermainelondonshe's a litteral terrorist.
She almost killed tens of persons with the train!
Exactly she's just a selfish spoiled brat she deserves no friends. Even Adrien left her.
Not to mention pulling traumatic pranks on poor Marinette and manipulate Le Kim
@@scarletweb2106 and treating Sabrina like a doormat
I'm glad Sabrina got herself a spine. Now she's has real friends.
I suspect it had more to do with them wanting to give Sabrina the Dog Miraculous than any real desire to re-write Sabrina's friend groups. Maybe they will show her playing Soccer again, or maybe she will disappear into the background like Max, Mylene or Alix often do.
Too late. Besides, sabrina sometimes enjoyed bullying others. She was forgiven too easily. Her development is forced and is rather for the sake of making chloe lose everything than for the sake of development
@@annett_55555 honestly everyone forgets that sabrina left chloe super easily back in season one and only went back since mari didn't communicate properly about the homework due to evilstrator(and mari found her needy)? and people wonder why chloe might think people might only want her for her money at times?
Marinette was totally ridicolous in the finale... She is a superhero with superpower and the whole city is with her, yet she can't handle a single bratty girl... She literally fell to Chloe level...
Let’s be honest. Literally nobody could handle her except for adrien, Sabrina, and her father. As much as I’m not a huge fan of marinette as most people are and I hate Thomas for cutting off her redemption arc, you’re forgetting that Chloe was a bully to literally everyone and her reasons for bullying don’t excuse it as she literally caused half of her classmates to get akumatized. So marinette and everyone else had the right to hate Chloe.
@@AnimeMemez78 Chloe is not even a bully, or a character... She is crazily evil and stupid that a normal person could just feel unconfortable next to her, saying "Wow, She really need a psychoanalyst... ". Marinette and co hate her because they can't handle her, they can't fight her because they are kinda pathetic even with their superpowers and huge numerical superiority... they get offended by her stupid attitude and fall to her level when they need to get their avenge to her... They are not superheroes, they are super lame...
My opinion.
Marinette: Chloe needs some therapy
@@blackumbrazozzino1257Chloe is literally a bully and she's also very racist to Marinette and her family
@@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b Not really, Chloe's Classist not racist.
To be honest Chloe got what she deserved in the end of this intense episode as she had turn on everyone who believe that Chloe would change like Adrien and Miss Bustier, Sabrina is no longer her friend anyway now that she knows the type of person Chloe really is and she still won't acknowledge all her wrong doing or even take responsibility for her action ( Season 3 - Season4- Season 5) since Chloe have no sense of right and wrongs because she's a selfish brat who only cares about herself.
To be honest (again) it's partly André's fault for not being a proper father to Chloe back Season 1 -Season 4 because he always let Chloe get away with everything and afraid of his controlling wife instead of acting like a real man and stand up to them in the first place. But I'm glad to see that André had finally take responsibilty for Chloe's action and decided in the last episode to divorce Audrey for good while granted custody for Zoé before resign as Mayor of Paris which explain why Chloe and her mother are in the private plane.
If Chloe was more like her half sister Zoey then her life would have been different like in Season 2 but now she became a hateful person in both Season 4 and Season 5 so I'm sorry to have to tell Chloe this but she had no one to blame but herself. If you're still feeling sorry for Chloe in this episode then blame Astruc for changing Chloe's character in the first place.
André only mentioned he had to fix his mistake. And voilà, he threw away his "responsibility" and "mistake" to cherish a replacement - sweeter, better, and much nicer !
The reality where no one is in good side.
I think what worse is I don't think chloe was irrdeemable...she HAD been showing babysteps of progress and she had wanted to change genuinely but we also saw how weak her understanding was when some of her best motivation was adrien and to not disappoint a teddy bear. by choe was even able to push ut the butterfly and resist hawkmoth which teh show establsihed mostly the strong willed good characters could do.
the issue stems from what WE the audience knows vs what the characters know about why chloe agree to side with hawkmoth that first time. marinette and otehrs understandbly think it was jst chloe feeling entitled to the bee but chloe was atually targetted by hawkmoth, her parensst where akumatized by hawkmoth where he TOLD her point blank it was becuase of chloe and he implied he could do it again, isolated her on a rootop and cut of her ladybug signal so she couldn't get help...dug actively into her insecurities after setting choe up for this. and then brought out pollen who ladybug failed to protect..if chleo hadn;t agreed he would have kept pollen and other other miraculi and she would have been alone with no way to protect herself with a agressive adult villian. where yes him digging into her insecurity also got her to agree bt she agreed once he released her parents....
and once she returned to norma////she felt she burned her last bridge with ladybug by siding with hawkmoth...so to cope she blamed ladybug by saying if chloe had just kept her as the bee or chose her...which I get to many sound slike chloe was just being entitled...but when you have context feels liek chloe is saying i you had kept be on as the bee i wouldnt have been targetted that way...chleo had agreed/understood not being the bee in a previour episode since it was to keep herself from being targetted and pollen safe...only chloe got targetted anyway, couldnt defend herself and ladybug failed to protect pollen.
so chloe then wanted to run from paris ony for her parenst getting along gettin in the way of her getting away. then she seemd to get /meaner afterwards but also way more than she used to and in less 'logical; ways. which is easy to see as the just simplifying her as just evil...but felt like she was doubling down in being mean as a distraction and becuase it was familar.
which actually parallels both mari and adrien who try to use old behaviours as coping mechanisms to distract themselves. pushing people away at different times themselve sand strugging to atriculate the real source of their mixed feelings.
chloe feels like a example of what happens when no one looks deeper into your acting out ad you don't get a chance to be honest about your fears due to trying to overcompensate to distract yourself from your issues.
and how acting bad even it covering up deepr issues means that people might get distracted by your acting out and actually be turned away and it means no one will be able to get you help if you keep rejecting it that way.
like for mari because she's generally a good person/..when she did act out or was unreasonable ot lashed out at people/pushed people away...they ere more willing to stick it out with mari and keep trying because mari's coping mechanism wasn't actively being mean like chloe.
I feel mixed about it because akumas show that villians are people who are hurt who lash out in the worst ways often...but that it means they need people willing to help them because those villians are also people in need of help. and chloe was directly manipulated by hawkmoth and lila and sabotaged along with her already not having a strong foundation due to her family.
so on one handthe show points out you can't let people get away with acting that way and hurting people(as the herps always try to minimize and reverse the damages and stop the villians) just like how if pople act terrible you shouldn't tolerate that behaviour an should call it out properlt......
but i also feel mixed because we also know the true villians were people who manipulated the akumavictims into indulging in acting out on their worst impulsives to validate their feelings...but we know chloe was manipulated by he bad guys to be worse as well.
i can't help but feel like theres something untapped there they aren't properly adressing.....
especially considering how they handled the hawkmoth gabe thing.
Honestly its her dads fault shes like that. He never raised Chloe right or taught to respect others. He literally spoils her and gets her everything she demands and he never says anything to her. like fr she wasnt raised right he could have at least taught to be kind. Nobody else to blame but him. Its actually his fault its like he doesn't even care. Chloe is a terrible person and marinette is way better then her as shes kind smart abd strong. She and cat noir r the best superheros. Even Adrien cutted Chloe off as a friend. But Sabrina she also annoys me like she doesn't have to he ger slave just to be friends with her. Chloe isnt even a true friend and she doesn't even care about her at all. Just to stay friends with her she likes to follow her stupid demands. Like shes clearly just using her. She is a fake friend Chloe. I acctually feel bad fir Sabrina she deserves better. There are other people to be friends with too. Not just Chloe. I wouldn't listen to anyone if they told me to their hw like wth. I would rather have no friends then be friends with someone like Chloe idc. Like why doesn't Sabrina try to make friends with better people.
Hopefully with Chloe realizing she hit rock bottom MAYBE Thomas Astruc will go easy on Chloe especially if he sees her fans still want the best for her. Like I didn’t give up on Chloe she just needed to lose everything to do right
I am so glad Adrien, Zoé and Sabrina understand how cruel Chloé can be! So self absorbed to think about anyone besides yourself and her money
And Miss Bustier.
I definitely agree. They all know how horrid Chloe had become.
Yh even before a few times even Adrien told her off and told her to be nice to others now he no longer cares about their friendship and ended the friendship with her for good. Chloe doesn't deserve any friends. And as for Sabrina for someone who is so smart in her studies she should be smart enough to know she doesn't need to follow her demands to be her friends she shouldn't have stayed friends with her in the first place like what is wrong with her. There are better people to be friends with like marinette and her friends. I would rather have no friends then be friends with Chloe.
I agree
I agree. Especcialy Adrien. Chloe was Adrien First Friend. Chloe was probably kind on the past.. But. at then. she changed as a BAD Person. That is the reason why adrien BROKE HIS FRIENDSHIP with HER. (chloe).
I can't blame Sabrina, she has been Chloe's slave for long time( not blaming chloe) but she deserves better friend like i don't know
I hated what he did with Chloe.
If he hated her so much as a character, why even waste episodes showing WHY she was how she was.
Later seasons made her no different to Lily, except being a worse liar.
Heck even her final appearance showed her having REGRETS while looking at Sabrina's contact image in her phone all while her mother is berating her.
Changes I would have done, considering she was a master manipulator she could have turned the tables on Hawkmoth and Mayura in Miracle Queen.
Since he gave her the power to control Miraculous holders with bees, she'd let herself get akumatized, get that power, then use it on Mayura or hawkmoth when the time was right.
At the end Hawkmoth deakumatizes her and escapes with Mayura. Master Fu doesn't stop being guardian at that time. *This happens AFTER his teacher comes to berate him*
Chloe willingly gives up Pollen, saying she will cheer on the sidelines while she tries to be more like her hero and be more nice in general. Which would actually happen, with Marinette being the last one. Later getting resolved during the Hacksan episode, where a change I would make is it would be similar to Pixelator but Chloe and Marinette would be trapped in the same place in a digital space of Markov's storage.
During that time Chloe would reveal why she hates marinette "Both your parents love you!!!".
Bonding as well by the time they get saved, and laughing at the exact time once rescued due to a funny moment/story they shared while trapped.
Chloe doesn't get Pollen back, lets her half sister get it but hangs out with her after patching things up to also hang with Pollen again. Instead she uses her allowance to get a secure meeting area for the heroes. Basically a secret base for all the holders.
3:29 ".... that's because the writers made her to replace chloe and they absolutely didn't know what they were doing. " 😅
So I guess based on the ending of Revolution, Chloe has been written off the show right?
Probably not yet
@@ethantan9434 One wonders how she will be if she returns? Will she be full of bitterness and anger towards Ladybug, or will she be completely broken after being under her mother's thumb? Probably the former as Thomas Astruic said she is irredeemable right?
@@Noratcat i feel like the latter one honestly, as Thomas isnt writing for future seasons and also bc it seemed more potential and thats what the ending kinda of her arc currently seems to suggest.
@@paintingdreams290 This is probably wishful thinking on my part, but eventually, Marrinette will have to choose a heroic wielder for the Butterfly Miraculous. I mean, the show's been greenlit for more seasons, and since Thomas isn't writing episodes anymore, what if Chloe becomes the butterfly wielder after what happened to her. I mean, butterflies are symbols of transformation, and if hitting rock bottom inspires Chloe to one day change, it could symbolize her transformation.
Plus, considering her half-sister uses an insect based Miraculous, it could be interesting if the other sister used one. But, this is probably wishful thinking on my part.
I hope Chloe finally reforms and receive a butterfly miraculous
Great now i'm starting to feel bad and sorry for Chloe
Me too especially since I heard the creator hates her for some reason
Same to me too I'm Sarted to feel sorry for har since hate defeat love
Well if chloe was a nice person she wouldn't have this situation right now
Chloe is a charecter written by writers most of the criticism is directed at them for retconning anything with her and turning her into a one dimensional charecter even worse than she was in season one
Back in the days I used to hate Chloe and now I started understanding her
I always feel I have a soft corner for chloe 💛more than zoe, though even after multiple chances she has proved to be self centred and is a negatively portrayed character But I feel deep down she is Lovable and in childhood she never experienced mother's love and care she was only nurtured by materialism.
She is just so lonely no one really likes her...She just tried to compensate it and act like it doesn't matter by acting ridiculously mean...
I always feel marinette being in a great position 🐞can be more welcoming and be accepting towards chloe like in evil- illustrator...
I feel Lila is the most suspicious and evil character, the main villain even worse than Gabriel... 🥶😡😰
I think Lila is a reason why chole and marinette may unite together for the purpose..
Below are fee pretty pairs
Marinette & Adrien ❤️🖤
Kagami & Felix💙💛
Chloe & Luka 💛💙
I feel Luka is the one who has the musical power🎸🎼 to understand chole's rhythm🎶 and change her for good from being utterly ridiculous 😊😂
Because I really can't get over beloved ridiculous Queen Bee👑 🐝
I feel when chloe n marinette will unite they will get insane strength ❤️💛
That's what Happens when you Don't Disaplence your Kids
Zoe may be younger than Chloe but she's much better than her! Still there are sometimes I wanted to Chloe to change! I've never forgotten when my sister who is the eldest yelled at me and told me that I was acting like a frightened princess who was surrounded by Three monsters who were my mother my father and herself and it really hurts and the worst part about that is that she never apologized to me for yelling at me I am really sensitive about things like that! Chloe is the oldest half-sister but not the nicest! Sometimes she reminds me of Lori from the Loud House who yaks on her cell phone just like Candace from Phineas and Ferb! I always thought that little siblings are a pain but even older siblings could be a pain sometimes even big sisters! Which is one of the reasons why I identify with Zoe even if she and Chloe are half-sisters Chloe is the oldest but still a Major Pain! Which is why sometimes being the younger sister is very difficult even for Zoe she may be the half sister but she's younger than Chloe and that's why I identify with Zoe! I wonder if Zoe would look good in the dress that's mostly her own style especially when she likes to celebrate parties with her friends! I'd bet she'd look cute in a yellow dress something that is New York style! And you want to know something else? I think Sabrina should be friends with Zoe instead of Chloe and Lila! Also it's Lila I don't trust! I'm just saying you must have been difficult having a sister who is older and such a pain! But I still love my older sister anyway! Chloe and Zoe on the other hand they are half sisters! Anyway if I ever make my own kind of characters that are named Chloe and Zoe they should be twins only they are black skin girls and one would be an Emo Goth and the other would be a sporty tomboy and the prankster! But according to my own cartoon they were manipulated by a snobby redhead girl named Polly Ester! What can I say? I am a cartoonist and I conspire play some cartoons huh?
What’s sad is that Chloe was perfect for the bee miraculous and she threw it all away
No, she didn't Marinette told her she couldn't have it as as her identity was compromised when throughout Season 4 Nino/Alya and Luka's family are repeatedly targeted by the bad guy and the show treats it like it's a "coincidence".
Ladybug doesn't even understand why Chloe is so upset with her in Queen Banana.
Everything in Chloe's life is just someone else disappointing her.
Just to show how cruel the show is to her they even gave the Butler a Daughter just so Chloe can be replaced in that surrogate role too.
There comes a point when you realise no one is going to give you a hug and Mr. Cuddly isn't enough anymore.
There has to be very few fictional characters where a show has gone out of it's way to be so cruel to one of it's characters as Chloe, only Baxter Stockman had it worse.
Ladybug doesn't even understand why Chloe is so upset with her in Queen Banana everything in Chole's life is just someone else disappointing her
She did the same thing in Queen Bee
And there comes a point when no one is going to give cuddly isn't enough anymore
And in Season 4 Nino/Alya and Luka's family are repeatedly targeted and she didn't tell Marinette told her she couldn't have it as her identity
And I felt so sad 😞 no wonder they realised what she did and she threw it all away from her I knew she was evil I don't understand the feeling identity he was so upset what Shooting a shining Gold light it is made miserable life the movie was not good at all
How just to show how cruel Character the show is to her there moment Mr. Cuddly isn't enough anymore surrogate role too
While I do think it's sad Chloe wasn't redeemed, it is also true that not all bullies get better and learn from their mistakes, and Chloe acting all entitled toward the bee miraculous really doesn't help her case, especially when even as Queen Bee she was selfish and only did heroic stuff to be praised by the people and not for the greater good
How did we go form calling her the cancer of the show…to pitying her?
Literally everyone got a happy ending in season 5 expect Chloe 🙂
Even the main villian monarch and the heroes everyone lived happily ever after
First of all she got a terrible childhood
Her abusive mother barely remembers her name
Absolutely got no friends and looses her only friend Adrein
She was trying to be kind and good when ladybug just replaced queen bee with visperia cuz of her own personal grudges
She gets controlled by Lila…Chloe is not Chloe anymore
This is just too much She deserves a happy ending in the coming seasons and moreover Queen be should be back
beetle blue coming for you I want your miraculous Chloe
She's not evil she's just hurt...
It finally took Sabrina to realize that Chloe is the most hateful person of all Chloe thinks she has no shame but a big fat hell yeah she does
Yes
Too late. Besides, sabrina sometimes enjoyed bullying others. She was forgiven too easily. Her development is forced and is rather for the sake of making chloe lose everything than for the sake of development
@@annett_55555 at least she draw the line when sabotage the students high school forms is big mistake
@@jonathansianez8274 too late for sabrina to redeem herself. She should have done it much earlier, before Chloe's "redemption arc" started
No matter what others say, shes an annoying character and i hate her, she deserved what she got.
I’m glad Sabrina had turned over a new leaf and finally went behind Chloe’s back working for the good guys!
I will never forgive Mr. Astruc for ruining Chloe’s character! That was UTTERLY ridiculous!
Yeah me too
But I Don't!
Excuse me while I roll my eyes at all the people who are screeching about failed redemption, people. She was not gonna be redeemed, and if you actually look at her character, she had not actually changed.
Because if she had actually changed, then answer me this :
Did she ever apologize to Marinette for over nine years of bullying? If you can prove to me that she ever did, I will take it all back.
I made a headcannon of Chloe being treated well by a man she just met, Chloe “What age are you?” The man “21” Her dumbfounded
Why can't Jeremy zag continue the movies. I hate Tomas Astruc a lot, he made the movie miserable
Chloe is and always will be my favorite character in Miraculous Ladybug. Although she's done so many horrible things, her behavior is understandable considering everything she went through before the series and during the series. Her character is probably the most complex
I am going for Chole and he will be my Supervillain Character although she's done so many horrible things, her behaviour is incredibly considering before her character was a bully and the most complex she went through the series the main antagonist and horrible ways you can do and that's why she was my favourite Things about her
I like the fact that Andre doesn't get in trouble and yet the one thing he thinks he's done right was sending Chloe away! He should've done better as a father! Andre was never in the picture and when she is she doesn't parent her and just ridicules Chloe and telling her that the only exceptional thing about her is her mother! Andre does nothing to parent her and leaves the butler to watch over her as her third parent. He might be mayor, but he should've also been a father for a daughter who felt alone and barely had any friends. A parent to teach her right and wrong and not learn the negative traits from her mother. Maybe then, she could've been better. Heck, she was getting a redemption arc until Astruc stripped it away from her! Not only that, but Ladybug wasn't exactly the best with Chloe. She looked up to her as a better role model, and when Ladybug made the mistake to give Kagami a miraculous (out of jealousy to get her away from Adrien) she felt like she was abandoned like how her mother abandoned her. The choice she made in trusting Hawkmoth wasn't the greatest, but she was hurt and felt betrayed by her idol. It's interesting that Ladybug let the others keep their miraculous when they got discovered by Hawkmoth (Kagami being the first, though even after that it was Chloe's fault for the others being discovered but still), but she couldn't let Chloe do the same? Yeah, this show is truly something else.
5:53 I think RUclips is broken. 🤣
Did you say Lila admits to it all? Since when does Lila ever admit to any wrongdoing?
she admitted to lying about traveling around the world so she can skip the school in season 2 and lying about pushing Marinette down the stairs. She also threatened sabrina so they now know she is manipulative. She didn't know their classmates were eavesdropping the entire time
The show kept going on despite how awful it looks
It’s almost no wonder why fanfics are far better than the original and people complained why people don’t like the show, if they want to know, say the name “Thomas Astruc”
Edit: Why does this reminds me of JK Rowling when it’s about Draco Malfoy not getting a redemption? Or is it like JK Rowling when it’s about Draco Malfoy not getting a redemption?
I think this video misunderstood a few things.
Adrien didn't abandon Chloe as he's a pathetic simp, Chloe was already started to disentangle herself from him after she realised she'd been instantly replaced by Alya, Nino and Marinette. Adrien was completely false (much like Lila was being disingenuous) he threw Chloe away like old trash.
When Chloe was so antagonised by her class in Queen Banana (which I won't get into here) she was expecting him to well comfort here, see if she was alright, you know actually give a crap about her safety and well being,
I thought it was heavily implied Toxic Marinette has been badmouthing Chloe to Adrien in the movie theatre and as Adrien doesn't have any brain cells he doesn't rent off someone else he just goes along with it.
You can see how shocked and heart broken Chloe is. As Adrien made it very clear he'd always pick ANYONE and everyone over Chloe. That was a knife in Chloe's chest that is why she hardened her hear to Adrien, and why she kept giving him a chance to prove he cared about her, and not just about anyone who wasn't her, he failed the test every time and by the time they broke Chloe likely had a very very low opinion of Adrien as weak and easily lead.
Or to be uncouth about it Marinette keeps Adrien's ball in her purse.
Chloe found out that her Prince was a Princess and a pretty pathetic one, so was no longer interested, to be blunt about it Adrien isn't good enough for her.
No the problem is Chloe got herself in the movie and she was continuously being annoying and irritating wanting this and that and this making stupid requests and they couldn’t just wait for her to simply do her demands like her servants do
Marinette didn’t badmouth her at all she was excited to see the movie herself
Adrien didn’t make it clear that he would choose anyone over her
He just said “You told me you’d stop being mean to others or our friendship won’t last”
No one wanted to put up with her BS and she starts acting like a toddler that’s having a tantrum
She had a dismissive mom and trauma, BUT trauma is no excuse to hurt people
There is no redemption for Chloe bourgeois. She will never change.
0:23 in what episode is that scene? ❤
I really can't feel sorry for chole, she's had many opportunities for redemption and she's failed them all.
Chloe couldve changed man... she had so many opportunities. but sadly we didnt see them happening 😔
Chloe will face many punishments for her sins
She was going to have a character arc but I guess they stopped doing that for her….😢
Hawkmoth already knew Kagami was Ryuko.
He just couldn't do anything about it.
Marrienette is worse than Chloe you know Mary she has hurt Adrian in a way you will find out can never be forgiven like you know these two anime characters will fight
What r u on about marinette is so kind and she's a great superhero she is way better then Chloe I just don't get it what's so bad about her.
Chloe is the worst of the worst unlike Marinette who is the best
@@scarletweb2106 facts. Chloe is the worst of the worst especially cuz of what she did to marinette and treated her in 8th Grade before Adrien was there. She put bugs in her locker, got her in trouble at school, got Kim to do that mean prank on her and break her heart and got her friend sequoline suspended. She just liked to bully marinette and make her life hell. She doesn't deserve friends.
Yeah Marinette is an angel 😇 while Chloe is a devil 👿
@@bismaibraheem6554 marinette is a stalker who’s committed literal crimes. Let that sink in. Also, Chloe is WORLDS more interesting than Marinette.
Adrien leaving her was the best thing ever
Thomas stopping working on mlb is the best thing ever
2:43 Poor Marinette, it was better that in episode 23 Chloe left permanently the series
Sometimes karma gets really gives someone a big dosage and Chloe just got a lot of it.
Agreed, Paris is a better place without her.
@@NarutoFan5083agree
@zekethenarutofan5083 agree with u on that one. My friend Paris is definitely a better place without Chloe around.
@@NarutoFan5083amen 🙏
Agreed
I honestly thought her being chosen as the carrier for the bee miraculous was the first step in her redemption arc. But she’s just flat out *rotten to the core*
And not in a good way
As far as I'm concerned ladybug and Adrien were the ones who gave up on chloe, while it was Sabrina and Lila/Cerise who abandoned her. And as much as some fans would hope that chloe will change, only time will tell
You're kidding
@@kendremcintyre273, I'm not. You said that chloe had been good for a short while, but her greed for power always had the upper hand, so let's see if she'll make the decision to start fresh in new York and come back as a better person
@@tamimar13 trust me chloe will never change
Audrey did vow to come down harder on chloe than before. I think will be in for well deserved karma
@@kendremcintyre273, I doubt she will, but the fans think she will come back
Gee can you blame them Chloe had opportunities to change her ways but she chose to stay mean and cruel I mean just look at Adrien and Sabrina they are the nicest people in her life and even they couldn't take her mean and cruel nature anymore. That should have been a red flag right there for her but noo she just kept being mean to everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if this girl died a lonely person when she becomes an adult
Thomas really has it out for her
An example from Velvet from Trolls Band Together, which she's also a sociopath just like Chloé.
U forgot lila