I'm a Catholic and I am through the second of these videos. I thoroughly appreciate the greater depth of these videos, and the neutral presentation. I am trying to establish bridges with my non-Catholic parents and other Christian brethren, and hope that this resource will provide a foundation for that effort. May God bless your fidelity to truth and your fidelity to Truth.
Interesting information about the beliefs of the Catholic church. I had no idea. Not to be morbid, but that version of salvation seems to suggest that the best thing one could do for a newborn infant would be to kill it immediately after baptism. Just a pragmatic thought there.
I don’t consider myself a Protestant but I am astonished to hear that the Catholic Church created a whole new way to address sin contrary to the Bible. You can’t ask Jesus for forgiveness directly? You need a mediator between man and Jesus called a priest? I thought Jesus was the mediator between God and man Himself! 7 th day baptism to cleanse you from “original sin?” What chapter is that? Baptism is an open display that…. Colossians 2:12 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. It’s not about washing sin. Christ already did that. By dying on the cross. It is finished!
I'm a Catholic and I am through the second of these videos. I thoroughly appreciate the greater depth of these videos, and the neutral presentation. I am trying to establish bridges with my non-Catholic parents and other Christian brethren, and hope that this resource will provide a foundation for that effort. May God bless your fidelity to truth and your fidelity to Truth.
I'm really enjoying the lectures! Thank you.. LOVE Forde! He's sometimes tough to grasp.. But I believe he endeavored to have Christ be everything or nothing.
I thought your explanation of Catholic salvation was a little more complete this time around. One thing that you said in the last video that I wish made it here is that this system is "grace saturated." Your statement of "in by grace, remain in by works" seems to deny the role of grace after baptism, which you seem to refute in your last video. Indeed, we (Catholics) believe that the sacraments are an infusion of God's grace in these difficult moments in life where we fall short. And the absolution of the priest, well stated as God's representative, is a more complete feeling forgiveness than I ever felt growing up Baptist, where I often doubted if I was forgiven, or if I had done my part to make satisfaction to God.
ryan82scott I believe he's referring specifically to Medieval Catholicism. Original Sin (while it may be taught in some churches today) has been largely done away with. The Catholic Church today leans more towards what they call "Name and Claim". That we are all born pure and with God's presence and spirit. And these different denominations and practices (and even different religions) are simply ways of identifying this spirit within us. We are judged not by our theology or denomination but by our life and our actions. I myself don't subscribe to this belief, but I have talked to a priest and this is the clearest answer he could give me.
seg162 According to the catechism heresy but it's becoming more and more popular with Catholic parishes in more liberal parts of America. This was also explanation my priest gave me when I told him I was considering leaving the church.
Wow! Reorientation of the understanding of the Gospel! After re-listening to this high valued video of the struggles of Martin Luther's growing up, one may see their very on “Anfechtungen” - complex emotions - crisis, fear, anxieties, depression extra. The 23:27 mark shows how Luther’s and today's medieval works righteousness, played the critical role of error. For me I see 23:27 the start and heart of the Reformation of the understanding of the Gospel of the Church. Thanks again Dr. Reeves.
+John Echterhoff // I think you are hearing me talk about 'the Gospel' in general, as in the central Christian message. That would be different from the Gospels. So here I say the Gospel and point to a section of Romans that is discussing it. Thanks! :)
Had the monks been aware of the Desert Fathers, I imagine their understanding of a monk's penance would have relied on grace, not penance...but there is another issue with Luther. He seems to have fought the grace that his confessor proposed to him. He did not (it seems) accept the grace of the absolution "I absolve you IN THE NAME (authority) of" the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. His issue with contrition seems to be relying on his own merits - and that is contrary to Augustine.
+CynicalCell // If you mean Luther (I assume you do) then it's a bit of both. He was put under official trial and declared an outlaw, certainly. And he lived the rest of his days with that on his head. The opposition here certainly means this, but also the 'softer' form of opposition in print and spoken word, where church leaders and layfolk spoke against Luther and the rise of Protestantism. They would not have had the right to capital punishment, of course.
Thank you for your answer I was gonna just drop the question but mistouched the screen. What I was really wondering was if he had any support from factions within the church itself. I find your lectures very interesting and informative. Thanks again.
+CynicalCell // Ha, well we've all hit 'send' too soon, so I feel your pain. :) The answer is yes, most often from the ranks of humanists, who saw his initial criticisms as part of their overall project to return the church to historico-grammatical fidelity to the scriptures. There was of course those who saw him merely as an internal critique of the church, but there were enough in Germany, the Swiss cantons and other countries that joined his movement outside the church, once the split was final. This is certainly evidence that he wasn't the only one who felt not all was well.
I'm a Catholic and I am through the second of these videos. I thoroughly appreciate the greater depth of these videos, and the neutral presentation. I am trying to establish bridges with my non-Catholic parents and other Christian brethren, and hope that this resource will provide a foundation for that effort. May God bless your fidelity to truth and your fidelity to Truth.
Interesting information about the beliefs of the Catholic church. I had no idea. Not to be morbid, but that version of salvation seems to suggest that the best thing one could do for a newborn infant would be to kill it immediately after baptism. Just a pragmatic thought there.
ZZ Stop You just have to acknowledge your sins, confess and change your ways. Confession is good for your soul.
I'm Catholic and I very much appreciate this series. It appears to be fairly thorough and objective. Thank you.
I'm Catholic and I very much appreciate this series. It appears to be fairly thorough and objective. Thank you.
I don’t consider myself a Protestant but I am astonished to hear that the Catholic Church created a whole new way to address sin contrary to the Bible.
You can’t ask Jesus for forgiveness directly?
You need a mediator between man and Jesus called a priest?
I thought Jesus was the mediator between God and man Himself!
7 th day baptism to cleanse you from “original sin?”
What chapter is that?
Baptism is an open display that….
Colossians 2:12
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
It’s not about washing sin.
Christ already did that.
By dying on the cross.
It is finished!
I'm Catholic and I very much appreciate this series. It appears to be fairly thorough and objective. Thank you.
I'm a Catholic and I am through the second of these videos. I thoroughly appreciate the greater depth of these videos, and the neutral presentation. I am trying to establish bridges with my non-Catholic parents and other Christian brethren, and hope that this resource will provide a foundation for that effort. May God bless your fidelity to truth and your fidelity to Truth.
I'm really enjoying the lectures! Thank you.. LOVE Forde! He's sometimes tough to grasp.. But I believe he endeavored to have Christ be everything or nothing.
I love church history
Thank you Dr Reeves for all of your lectures. Not just on Martin Luther. I really appreciate your objectivity, especially about Luther.
I thought your explanation of Catholic salvation was a little more complete this time around. One thing that you said in the last video that I wish made it here is that this system is "grace saturated." Your statement of "in by grace, remain in by works" seems to deny the role of grace after baptism, which you seem to refute in your last video.
Indeed, we (Catholics) believe that the sacraments are an infusion of God's grace in these difficult moments in life where we fall short. And the absolution of the priest, well stated as God's representative, is a more complete feeling forgiveness than I ever felt growing up Baptist, where I often doubted if I was forgiven, or if I had done my part to make satisfaction to God.
ryan82scott I believe he's referring specifically to Medieval Catholicism. Original Sin (while it may be taught in some churches today) has been largely done away with. The Catholic Church today leans more towards what they call "Name and Claim". That we are all born pure and with God's presence and spirit. And these different denominations and practices (and even different religions) are simply ways of identifying this spirit within us. We are judged not by our theology or denomination but by our life and our actions. I myself don't subscribe to this belief, but I have talked to a priest and this is the clearest answer he could give me.
+Cristian Aviles "Name and claim"? That seems like something closer to some Protestant branches than Catholicism.
seg162 According to the catechism heresy but it's becoming more and more popular with Catholic parishes in more liberal parts of America. This was also explanation my priest gave me when I told him I was considering leaving the church.
Wow! Reorientation of the understanding of the Gospel! After re-listening to this high valued video of the struggles of Martin Luther's growing up, one may see their very on “Anfechtungen” - complex emotions - crisis, fear, anxieties, depression extra. The 23:27 mark shows how Luther’s and today's medieval works righteousness, played the critical role of error. For me I see 23:27 the start and heart of the Reformation of the understanding of the Gospel of the Church. Thanks again Dr. Reeves.
Thank you Dr. Reeves. Did I read that you included Romans as a Gospel?
+John Echterhoff // I think you are hearing me talk about 'the Gospel' in general, as in the central Christian message. That would be different from the Gospels. So here I say the Gospel and point to a section of Romans that is discussing it. Thanks! :)
In regard to the catholic view of salvation where does Jesus and his work on the cross fit in and where does the mass fit in?
Had the monks been aware of the Desert Fathers, I imagine their understanding of a monk's penance would have relied on grace, not penance...but there is another issue with Luther. He seems to have fought the grace that his confessor proposed to him. He did not (it seems) accept the grace of the absolution "I absolve you IN THE NAME (authority) of" the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. His issue with contrition seems to be relying on his own merits - and that is contrary to Augustine.
Jantes Inferno ok, so we acknowledge that the problem was with the people who let their obsessions wreak havoc with their minds and will.
so the protestant reformation was a misunderstanding of some sort?
opposition? I mean the inquisition was murdering
+CynicalCell // If you mean Luther (I assume you do) then it's a bit of both. He was put under official trial and declared an outlaw, certainly. And he lived the rest of his days with that on his head. The opposition here certainly means this, but also the 'softer' form of opposition in print and spoken word, where church leaders and layfolk spoke against Luther and the rise of Protestantism. They would not have had the right to capital punishment, of course.
Thank you for your answer I was gonna just drop the question but mistouched the screen. What I was really wondering was if he had any support from factions within the church itself. I find your lectures very interesting and informative. Thanks again.
+CynicalCell // Ha, well we've all hit 'send' too soon, so I feel your pain. :) The answer is yes, most often from the ranks of humanists, who saw his initial criticisms as part of their overall project to return the church to historico-grammatical fidelity to the scriptures. There was of course those who saw him merely as an internal critique of the church, but there were enough in Germany, the Swiss cantons and other countries that joined his movement outside the church, once the split was final. This is certainly evidence that he wasn't the only one who felt not all was well.
Are you a Christian sir?