Those early Apple computers were so aesthetically beautiful. Jobs wanted them to look like appliances. I could never afford one, mowed lawns all summer and bought a TRS 80 coco.
We used to have a couple of these IIe machines at school but they were finally scrapped in early 2008. They were used in the chemistry labs for monitoring and recording data from experiments so were about 25 years in service. Even had the original impact printer too.
@@FeelingShred When I was in middle school in the early 2000's the visual art department had a couple of Apple IIC's and a Apple IIGS, for the life of me I can't remember what they were still used for at that point.
@@doublecontralto818 HaHa I can believe it... I'm not sure what was going with me that day when I wrote that comment XDD but yeah it can totally happen
in elementary school, our vision resource classroom, which is basically a place for blind and vision impaired students, had an apple 2e in the 90s and 2000s. I don't know how long they kept it, seeing as how I left in 2002.
The Apple //e is my favorite gaming computer ever. I did grow up in the '80s, but we didn't have a computer till the mid-'90s when we got a PC. Didn't even have the Commodore 64 back then, like everyone else did. But I do have very fond memories of playing the Apple IIe quite a bit at summer daycamp as a kid. Karateka, Moon Patrol, Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego, Mario Bros., Frogger, Conan, Montezuma's Revenge. These games and others loom large in my memory (I didn't play The Oregon Trail until adulthood). And in school, I remember playing around with Logo. Though I have the AppleWin emulator on my laptop, I do hope to get a real Apple IIe someday. Expensive, but worth it, I think. Thanks, Woz.
@@colinmcdonald2499Well and 50 to 100 yrs from now more than half the worlds population will evolve to call today's social conscious weirdos the Neanderthals of their time who knows..
Starting at 4:35, he mentions why Apple chose the name "IIe" over other choices, including "Diana". Diana was Apple's internal codename for the Apple IIe. #theMoreYouKnow
And then when Apple added more features to the IIe, they called it the IIe Enhanced -- or II Enhanced Enhanced... reminiscent of the II Plus Plus they mentioned?
I still have my Commodore 64 from back in the day, and I still use and adore it, but I always wanted an Apple IIe because that's what I used in school early on, and now I have one. Today's emulators are great, especially for their convenience, but for me there is nothing quite like using the real vintage hardware.
@@applejacks971 I still have my original Star and Panasonic printers from back in the day, too. Most of my experience was with color monitors/TVs, so I use those today, as well, but I do think I should have at least one monochrome (green) monitor in my collection. I didn't use them much back then (my school had Amdek color monitors for most of the Apple IIs), but they were memorable. Do you use any color monitors with your Apple IIs and Apple II clones these days? Having color graphics was one of the Apple II's major selling points during the 1970s.
Same here. My school also had a room full of Commodore PET 2001s (with the "Chicklet" keys and built-in tape drive), a room full of IBM 5150s (the original PC), and, a few years later, a room full of Macintosh SEs (it was a grades 7-12 school, so I was there the whole time). Frankly, the Apple IIes were a lot more fun, left the biggest impression on me, and I still use one to this day.
@@roberto.a.rodriguez It's a hobby and a nostalgia trip for me, mostly. I might occasionally do something "productive" on it for kicks, but mostly I play games and write programs for it for fun. Truth be told, my vintage Commodore and Atari computers get more attention these days for the same purposes, but the Apple IIe holds the same nostalgia as part of my childhood, and I still fire it up from time to time. By the way, what I need to do sooner rather than later is replace the capacitors in its original power supply before they blow up. That's another reason I haven't been using it as much. It's such a pain to disassemble the power supply, and I've got so many other repair projects going as it is, such as the PET 2001 I've recently acquired.
Back when Apple really was really cool. Not that Apple is terrible now. But back in the 80’s (as well as the late-90’s/early 2000’s), if you were privileged to own/operate an Apple/Macintosh computer, touched a piece of nostalgia. I was fortunate to learn both Apple (school) and IBM-PC (I owned a Tandy 1000 HX) at a young age.
I used mine until 1993! .... Can't tell ya how many term papers I wrote on that thing ..... all the way through college ** I got my B.A. in May of 1993, and, about 7 months later, the mother board finally gave out .... R.I.P., IIe
my uncle larry bought this computer for his family as well as his school district ordering lots of them...this was the most popular Apple II ever. I loved the monchrome screen...
The 80-column card with the additional 64K of memory added a new hi-res mode with more colors, but almost predictably it wasn't used much (the 80-column text mode sure was, but not the new hi-res mode), as backwards compatibility was so important. Especially back then, it was really hard to get past any initial hardware limitations. Sound cards also received poor support. Expandability is a great concept in theory, but only worked out well on occasion.
Jobs BIG contribution to the Apple III was to insist that it have NO fans...despite the technicians begging him to allow for a fan. Sure enough, the Apple III was a commercial failure partly because it was unreliable due to over-heating.
I had an Apple //e in 1981/82. Dou-disc drive, Monochrome green monitor, and Image-Writer 2. It was one of the best computers I ever owned but then Apple turned belly up and tried to push the Lisa
Yeah Steve Jobs was such a douche after a while… I think the money went to his head! If he was so smart he wouldn't have! But that might be my 20/20 future vision! 🤔🤔
@@wildsmiley yeah there's a bunch of holes in the pop's story… when the Apple //e(][ on display if you didn't get the enhancement upgrade) came out I was 5(I'm an April baby) and about the time I was in school to remember using a computer, the school I went to had Apple //e's and Apple //e Platinums… plus I don't see how Apple went "Belly up" if they are still around as a company? Sure they made some foax pas, who doesn't?? But if a company is said to gone "Belly up" it usually means they went bankrupt or they DON'T exist anymore!! 🤔🤔🙄🙄
Steve - "In 1976 when Woz and I designed the Apple II" LOL ! The bastard contributed nothing to designing the Apple II. He just couldn't give credit to the people that deserved it.
@@jimb12312 Jobs MO is to get a bunch of different prototypes which are designed by other people and then choose the ones he likes best. He would then demand that something be changed to suit him. It's like me going to a car dealership, choosing the car I like best, and then telling everyone that I designed it.
I love this video. You'll notice that two end caps are missing and when he shows the inside, there are no cards. So they probably just randomly picked some IIe they had sitting around with the 80 column card (removed) and then removed the SSC and disk controller leaving the two holes in the back. I would have thought a promotional video would have shown the back "complete". LOL
That intro animation of the Apple logo is very interesting, I had never seen it before, and I think it is very cool, it shows us visually where this logo comes from, why the apple is bitten, etc.
Skipping lower-case support on the Apple I and Apple II was a cost-saving measure, from a time when home computers frankly didn't have a lot of practical uses yet. There were ways around this limitation on the Apple II in the late 1970s (hacks, third party 80-column cards, etc.) but it only really became "standard" with the Apple IIe. The reason it took so long was basically because Apple hadn't really planned to continue the Apple II line beyond the II+. They were trying to launch the Apple III as its successor. When that didn't pan out, they came back to the Apple II platform with the IIe and IIc.
Praise to the designers of the Atari 800 for its redefinable character set and its graphics coprocessor. It even had a text mode that was 10 pixels high instead of 8 so that you could have descending characters.I remember the Scott Adams text adventures where the Atari version's text used a script font.
no it wasnt the commodore and IBM were WAY better, dont let a video make your opinion kid, I lived through it and the apple were known as the "dump" computers.
The C64 was better for games. But the Apple II was far better for work, with the Disk II (designed by Wozniak) and his wonderful OS ProDOS. Softwares for Apple II were excellent : VisiCalc, AppleWriter, AppleWorks...
@@prospero55b Strength of the Apple II was its available 80 column card, that in itself made a world of difference for "serious" business productivity software. The floppy drive system was also quick access. Because there was very little done in hardware, CPU accelerator cards were wholly compatible with all software, with some folks running really fast systems like at 8+MHz.
@@prospero55b Considering both the C64 and the Apple II were based on the 6502 microprocessor, why wouldn't the C64 be good for work? Heck, I think my Atari 800 would have been better for work. It was also based upon the 6502 but it was clocked 80% FASTER than the Apple. Using bank select cartridges one could put a 40K word processor on a 16 cartridge leaving 32K for your document, unlike the Apple that used up a lot of memory just for the program leaving little room for your document.
@@chrisstromberg6527 As I mentioned earlier, you could buy an Atari ST AND a laser printer for less money than the MAC. AND, you could put the MAC's O.S. into the ST and turn it into a FASTER MAC computer.
3:40 "When WE designed the Apple II" Jobs didn't touch the Apple II. Woz did 100% of the Apple I and II, and Steve almost ruined the II like he did the III because he wanted to cut the expansion bays from ~6 down to 2. He wanted to lock it down.
That's not true. Rod Holt designed the power supply. Alan Baum helped Woz design the slots and Steve Jobs designed the case. Woz gets 100% of the credit for Apple II but it isn't accurate. Yes, he designed MOST of it...he designed the tricky video, the timing, etc. But he did NOT design 100% of it.
@Gravy Boat I don't think Walt Broedner designed the original Apple II or the motherboard. I can't find any evidence that he was involved at all on the ORIGINAL Apple II. I could be wrong. I do think he may have helped with the IIe and, perhaps, he may have helped with some of the ASIC's that embedded much of the Apple IIe later. Do you have any references?
But he fucking did though? Jobs gave input over the hardware but he primarily designed the casing. Quit pulling shit out of your ass, he absolutely contributed.
And to think Jobs wanted the Apple II to be a closed system but Woz stood his ground against it. Jobs finally got his wish with subsequent Apple products. The main reason I've been against Apple products even though the Apple II was my first computer and have fond memories of it.
The only part of Woz's design for the ][ that I find too much of a compromise is how it displays color in high res mode. Really makes using color a nightmare.
Considering the minimal display hardware used (designed for monochrome), I think this was a very clever way to squeeze in color capability with a minimum of additional circuitry. And his trick of using half-shifts to get two additional colors was a stroke of genius! Of course, this is from a certain point of view. Programmatically, it was a pain, alright, but that's why we write libraries to cover up the ugly details. Note that although the Atari 8-bit computers that came along a couple of years later in 1979 had far more advanced video hardware and graphics capabilities (having two large custom chips), the hi-res mode that similarly used "artifact" color was inferior to the Apple II's implementation. Not only did it only have 4 fours (2 plus black and white), which colors they were depended on the exact computer model and board revision, while the Apple II's 6 "artifact" colors were consistent. The difference can be seen in most of the _Ultima_ games, for example, which lack color in comparison and often just plain don't look right on the Atari 8-bits. The Apple II's graphics had more limitations than advantages overall, in comparison to others, but in some cases it did offer advantages that some software managed to successfully exploit.
Apple DOS came out before ProDOS. It was written by Shepardson Microsystems (mostly Paul Laughton). Originally he was to write a BASIC language but needed a way to get the code from the non-Apple computer he used to write it into the Apple. So he wrote Apple DOS first and Apple add enhancements to it. Apple decided to go with Microsoft Basic, so they didn't write a BASIC language for Apple but instead wrote Atari Basic for the 800/400.
"Because Apple II went on to become the biggest selling computer in the history of the world, and still is." "Well, until the Commodore 64 outsold it..."
lurkerrekrul The Commodore 64 was primarily a gaming console, not a serious computer. Despite attempts, it did not have the software needed to move it into the mainstream computer market. Besides, this was 1983. The Commodore 64 was still in it’s infancy. And, despite eventual robust sales (due solely to it’s cheap price), the Commodore 64 made no real contribution to the overall computer industry. It was a lackluster product which eventually drove it's manufacturer into bankruptcy.
***** No, the C64 didn't drive Commodore to bankruptcy. That was caused by a lot of bungled management during the Amiga era. The C64 generally had the best graphics and sound of the time. Atari 8-bit systems had a larger palette, but seemed to be limited in how they could use it. Other systems had more memory or a higher resolution and yet they managed to look inferior most of the time. Compare some of the games available on the C64, apple, Atari and IBM at the time and see which version looks and sounds the best. As for serious software, I'll admit that Apple and IBM seemed to have much more support in that area. Still, I knew a lot of people who used their C64s for going online, word processing, art, music, etc. And yes, they also used it for games. Just like people today use their systems for games as well as for serious tasks. :)
The C64 had solid analogs for all the software the II had, except for a handful of scientific apps. The II line enjoyed only a few years as a "business" machine in the eyes of yuppies, its biggest demographic. It was mainly used for education and journalism in the 80s.
The 64 was not marketed as a gaming console it was marketed as a computer. I love my Apple II but there is not much, beyond a few expansion cards for science and electronics that you can't do on the C64. Besides by the time 1984 rolled around, IIRC the Vic-20 had already out sold it. So I am not sure how accurate his statement was about the biggest selling computer in history, even at that time. The Vic-20 was the first computer to sell over 1 million units. So obviously it passed the Apple II during its day.
Jobs: "5000 dollars is reasonable" Marketers: "nope" Jobs: "You all suck, it's not a bad price" Marketers: "we'll say it's available for $599" Jobs: "I'll tell them you're in the hospital and out of a job, the price stays at $5000
Introducing the Apple-II e... the highly sophisticated computer. Now you may be asking yourself, “what does it do”, well im glad you asked. This is a keyboard.. it’s connected to the computer. Im going to press one of these buttons, and you will simultaneously see that letter appear on the screen... and when i press another letter, that letter will appear next to the first one... and the more you press these buttons, the more letters you’ll see on the screen. You can literally fill the screen with letters, some people may even suggest forming those letters into words that have meaning. That’s the beauty of the computer, you can type anything you want on the keyboard, and it will appear on the screen. Today i typed the words “poopy doopy” and the screen said the words “poopy doopy”. I knew that i was in complete control of what was appearing on the screen. As if that wasn’t fascinating enough... the computer does another thing that is extremely impressive... it allows me to press the delete button and it literally deletes every random letter i type on the screen, and it lets me type it all over again.. and not just once.. i can literally sit there and type a screen full of gibberish, delete every word, and re-type either the same gibberish, or something that’s completely different gibberish. The inventor of the computer is hoping that one day it may do even more than that. But i really dont know what else a computer can do.. What do you expect? To do shopping on your computer?? Haha, thats rubbish, rubbish i say.
Thats why you are not a visionar. The thing about 'inventing' isnt so 'clear' as you think. You could criticize a lot of inventors, or visionars the same way you did with Steve Jobs. Thomas A. Edision ? What did he really invented ? Phonograph ? Nope - it was there 50 years before him (and with better quality). Lightbulb ? Nope, it was there decades before Edison.. 'Ok ok, but did Edison make it better ?'.. Nope, Tesla did a better Lightbulb (the screwing mechanism we use today goes back to Tesla ... Edisons Lightbulbs was 'plug-in'-Lightbulbs' ... Ok how about : Steam Engine ... 'that was James Watt' ... Nope, isnt his invention... 'Ok ok, you nerdy Pygmalionfaciebat... i know , i know... Dennis Papin was the first 150 years before James Watt' ... Nope ... he wasnt. Heron invented the first steam powered mechanism 1500 years before Dennis Papin was even born. And yes... also Edison yelled to his workers,.. and used enhancements from their works in his factory, for his own 'patents'. You have to know : inventing doesnt work like you see in those Looney Toon-Cartoon , where there is a 'crazy professor' who shouts 'heureka !!' , and he invents something. Thats not how it works (at least most of the time inventions arent made that way). Its very often: stealing foreworks of others, improving them, combine then with other foreworks of others , AND mix it with a VISION ... Steve Wozniak was a genius on his own way - yes .. but he wasnt visionary (and for sure he was not a big salesman). But the lack of vision, was a big issue. Steve Jobs was the one, who had those inspirational ideas : 'could you do this ?... could you do that ? '... 'how cool it would be, if we can add this, and that... combine that...' etc etc ... YES looking BACK everyone says : 'i could do that too ! thats obvious' ... BUT no one did ! Nowadays the challenge is still there... Most of the people ALSO TODAY dont have visionary ideas like : 'could you combine this... and that... how cool would it be...etc' ... Because we all feel: that the technologies we have 'cant serve more' , and 'we are quiet pleased with todays technologies' - that stops visionary thinking of most people... Just like no one thought of a lightbulb, when there is almost no electricity in the cities, AND 'the candles and petroleum lamps do their job just fine!' ... Inventing a lightbulb back then, for the most people would seem as 'step backwards' ... And thats were the visionary people come in ... They have the ability to see AND (!) go two steps further, than only thinking : 'its not practical nowadays' The same problems Steve Jobs faced... When he came up with the personal computer - a lot of 'normal people' said : 'Who wants to learn writing on a keyboard, for years, until people can type fluent on the keyboard'... And yes, Steve Jobs had to give that to them : 'Yes thats an issue' ... Later on Steve Jobs said : 'Turns out, the DEATH took care about the people who didnt want to learn typing on a computer keyboard... the new generations grew up with computers, and even dont feel this as a problem' Thats an example for visionary : see AND going two steps further, than the common people, with a revolutionary invention. Similar thing goes for lightbulbs vs. candles (just with different, but compareable arguments). To think visionary is a 'way of thinking' which can hardly described or 'emulated' by people who arent visionary. Its kind of between: technical inventor, and dreamer. Not naive enough to be a dreamer, but not nerdy enough to be a technical inventor - but in a specific way : both. Thats the oxymoron behind it.
The only reason they sold so many apple ii's schools bought the shit out of them. What school did not have an apple ii? 1mhz machines. These were toys... nothing more.
Haha I said not INSIGNIFICANT. No doubt the real genius was in the board but there is also genius in packaging and bringing it to the public. They needed each other to get it off the ground. Woz was going to give it away originally...
@@SuperPussyFinger OH YEAH; I WASTE NO TIME FEEDING MY MIND, WHAT CAN & WILL CORRUPT ME IN ANY WHICH WAY. NEVER DID I EVER HAVE A FRIEND SAY THIS TO ME; I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN AND WATCH SOMETHING, THAT CORRUPTS MY MIND MIND NO WAY.
@@noureldainnoureldain5851 True, I don't think Apple II could have been what it was without *both* Steves. But still, I think it's a little ridiculous for Jobs to claim any credit for designing the Apple II. From what I know of the story, that just wasn't his role.
Back When Commodore Dominated the Home computer market but Apple used schools and the Large American market to edge out Commodore. At that time the first Apple computers used chips made by Commodore.
@@gnuemacs1166 Well, souls aren't real so I'm OK with that. C64 did have some good stuff going on, though. SID music, hardware sprites... Pity about the terrible slow speed of the floppy drives.
This was the most personal computer ever! But Steve Jobs intentionally killed him, to introduce the Macintosh. Apple ][ was the computer as a computer should be! Apple ][ brought freedom, but the Macintosh wipe that freedom out! Woz is the wizard who brought this miracle to the world, extendability, compatibility and simplicity that never been existed before, and not exist anymore! If Apple were continued to develop the Apple ][ family, today the world of personal computers has to be the Apple world of personal computers... But instead, IBM made this, and the rest is history.
@@OldAussieAds Yeah, but the Mac has physically been an IBM-type PC for many years now. If you installed Windows on a modern Mac, it would work perfectly.
@@OldAussieAds Well, I guess I still have a point until then. ;) The underlying point, though, is that personal computer hardware architecture is not exactly the same identifying characteristic that it was back in the 1980s or perhaps 1990s. Apple switching to the IBM PC platform made the strongest argument for this, but switching to another one again, this day and age, really only emphasizes the same point: it's about the interface and "ecosystem", not the hardware. This does not contradict what you said, and is aimed more at what the original commenter said. MacOS still exists as an alternative to the Windows-based PC, much like Linux, which I think is the real core of your argument, and you're right. It is also now based on BSD Unix, much like Linux (albeit Linux has its own kernel), which likewise runs on a number of different computer architectures.
Those early Apple computers were so aesthetically beautiful. Jobs wanted them to look like appliances. I could never afford one, mowed lawns all summer and bought a TRS 80 coco.
Oh you are one of those Trash80 kids! 😂😂
@@jescis0 I even have one in my music studio running a spectral analyzer - it's a nice piece of history to have still working :)
We used to have a couple of these IIe machines at school but they were finally scrapped in early 2008. They were used in the chemistry labs for monitoring and recording data from experiments so were about 25 years in service. Even had the original impact printer too.
that is some hot bullshit if I ever heard one HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
@@FeelingShred When I was in middle school in the early 2000's the visual art department had a couple of Apple IIC's and a Apple IIGS, for the life of me I can't remember what they were still used for at that point.
@@doublecontralto818 HaHa I can believe it... I'm not sure what was going with me that day when I wrote that comment XDD but yeah it can totally happen
@@FeelingShred it's true I was there!
in elementary school, our vision resource classroom, which is basically a place for blind and vision impaired students, had an apple 2e in the 90s and 2000s. I don't know how long they kept it, seeing as how I left in 2002.
Back when Steve had more than one shirt and pair of jeans.
And when he was alive
This takes me back to the time when Bill Gates beat Steve Jobs during the mid 80s.
Isn't that a shame when; the 'South Park' animation crew members, had taken a poke at Bill Gates?
I'm glad I passed this news onto you! And it's true that you have to appreciate it. Appreciation is what goes along with your attitude.
Why would anyone need more than one shirt and one pair of jeans?
Music, narration, transitions, all 1980s classic "Big Corp". style.
The Apple //e is my favorite gaming computer ever. I did grow up in the '80s, but we didn't have a computer till the mid-'90s when we got a PC. Didn't even have the Commodore 64 back then, like everyone else did. But I do have very fond memories of playing the Apple IIe quite a bit at summer daycamp as a kid. Karateka, Moon Patrol, Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego, Mario Bros., Frogger, Conan, Montezuma's Revenge. These games and others loom large in my memory (I didn't play The Oregon Trail until adulthood). And in school, I remember playing around with Logo. Though I have the AppleWin emulator on my laptop, I do hope to get a real Apple IIe someday. Expensive, but worth it, I think. Thanks, Woz.
Loved playing around with Logo. It seemed so futuristic!
Jesus, he maintained the same sales pitching style and naming schemes all the way to the end
abcdfghijlnopqrst Agreed. Whatever you think of him, the man was consistent.
@@AdamG1983 consistently sociopathic
At least they TELL US what the 'e' is for -- what about the 6S? XR? Cmonnnn....
Hardly surprising, is it.
@@colinmcdonald2499Well and 50 to 100 yrs from now more than half the worlds population will evolve to call today's social conscious weirdos the Neanderthals of their time who knows..
Watching this on a iPhone X wow! If only he knew..
Starting at 4:35, he mentions why Apple chose the name "IIe" over other choices, including "Diana". Diana was Apple's internal codename for the Apple IIe. #theMoreYouKnow
And then when Apple added more features to the IIe, they called it the IIe Enhanced -- or II Enhanced Enhanced... reminiscent of the II Plus Plus they mentioned?
I guess IIe Pro or IIe Pro Max weren’t thought of at the time? IIe Air?
I still have mine.
Me TOO!!!
2020, I still have my Franklin Ace 1000, II+, IIe, and IIc. All monochrome monitors and my first Panasonic dot matrix printer. Cool stuff!!!
I still have my Commodore 64 from back in the day, and I still use and adore it, but I always wanted an Apple IIe because that's what I used in school early on, and now I have one. Today's emulators are great, especially for their convenience, but for me there is nothing quite like using the real vintage hardware.
@@applejacks971 I still have my original Star and Panasonic printers from back in the day, too. Most of my experience was with color monitors/TVs, so I use those today, as well, but I do think I should have at least one monochrome (green) monitor in my collection. I didn't use them much back then (my school had Amdek color monitors for most of the Apple IIs), but they were memorable.
Do you use any color monitors with your Apple IIs and Apple II clones these days? Having color graphics was one of the Apple II's major selling points during the 1970s.
My school had a computer lab full of these way back when I was in middle school!
Same here. My school also had a room full of Commodore PET 2001s (with the "Chicklet" keys and built-in tape drive), a room full of IBM 5150s (the original PC), and, a few years later, a room full of Macintosh SEs (it was a grades 7-12 school, so I was there the whole time). Frankly, the Apple IIes were a lot more fun, left the biggest impression on me, and I still use one to this day.
@@rbrtck what do you use it for?
@@roberto.a.rodriguez It's a hobby and a nostalgia trip for me, mostly. I might occasionally do something "productive" on it for kicks, but mostly I play games and write programs for it for fun. Truth be told, my vintage Commodore and Atari computers get more attention these days for the same purposes, but the Apple IIe holds the same nostalgia as part of my childhood, and I still fire it up from time to time.
By the way, what I need to do sooner rather than later is replace the capacitors in its original power supply before they blow up. That's another reason I haven't been using it as much. It's such a pain to disassemble the power supply, and I've got so many other repair projects going as it is, such as the PET 2001 I've recently acquired.
Back when Apple really was really cool. Not that Apple is terrible now. But back in the 80’s (as well as the late-90’s/early 2000’s), if you were privileged to own/operate an Apple/Macintosh computer, touched a piece of nostalgia.
I was fortunate to learn both Apple (school) and IBM-PC (I owned a Tandy 1000 HX) at a young age.
Apple II forever!
I used mine until 1993! .... Can't tell ya how many term papers I wrote on that thing ..... all the way through college ** I got my B.A. in May of 1993, and, about 7 months later, the mother board finally gave out .... R.I.P., IIe
I still want one
Oh the irony of seeing an IBM ad for an Apple II video.
oof
my uncle larry bought this computer for his family as well as his school district ordering lots of them...this was the most popular Apple II ever. I loved the monchrome screen...
heck you can also use a color tv to play apple ii in color
We had a bus with computers coming to our grade school. I loved that time.
The compromises in the high res mode made some sense when Woz designed the Apple ][, but by 1981, it was a hindrance.
The 80-column card with the additional 64K of memory added a new hi-res mode with more colors, but almost predictably it wasn't used much (the 80-column text mode sure was, but not the new hi-res mode), as backwards compatibility was so important. Especially back then, it was really hard to get past any initial hardware limitations. Sound cards also received poor support. Expandability is a great concept in theory, but only worked out well on occasion.
My SECOND computer!!! I loved this thing!
What was your first computer?
Yards of golden oak, neon-esque lettering, 2-tone hardware and keys. That was my 80s!
God I miss the ‘80s
Apple computers were on our Graphic Technical Lyceum at Eindhoven and also the programms, thanks Steve, and I still like working with those.
This was the first computer I ever used way back in elementary school.
Same! 6th grade, ..... the 1982-83 school year .... Memories!! If we were good we got to play Akalabeth!
Jobs BIG contribution to the Apple III was to insist that it have NO fans...despite the technicians begging him to allow for a fan. Sure enough, the Apple III was a commercial failure partly because it was unreliable due to over-heating.
The Apple Lisa did even worse, despite it being renamed the Macintosh XL for its final year of production and sale.
“One person, one computer.” Love it.
The true game changer was "One computer on every desk."
"Well, the 'e' stands for enhanced." Some writer had to write that with a straight face.
Funny thing about that was that you could update the roms and the cpu (to a 65C02) and then it would be a "//e enhanced". (As I did with mine.)
I had an Apple //e in 1981/82. Dou-disc drive, Monochrome green monitor, and Image-Writer 2.
It was one of the best computers I ever owned but then Apple turned belly up and tried to push the Lisa
"but then Apple turned belly up and tried to push the Lisa"
That was Jobs, not Apple.
Yeah Steve Jobs was such a douche after a while… I think the money went to his head! If he was so smart he wouldn't have! But that might be my 20/20 future vision! 🤔🤔
The Apple //e was released in January 1983. So if you had an Apple ][ before then, you either had the original ][ or the ][+.
@@wildsmiley yeah there's a bunch of holes in the pop's story… when the Apple //e(][ on display if you didn't get the enhancement upgrade) came out I was 5(I'm an April baby) and about the time I was in school to remember using a computer, the school I went to had Apple //e's and Apple //e Platinums… plus I don't see how Apple went "Belly up" if they are still around as a company? Sure they made some foax pas, who doesn't?? But if a company is said to gone "Belly up" it usually means they went bankrupt or they DON'T exist anymore!! 🤔🤔🙄🙄
Steve - "In 1976 when Woz and I designed the Apple II"
LOL ! The bastard contributed nothing to designing the Apple II.
He just couldn't give credit to the people that deserved it.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing when he said that.
Steve Jobs helped design the case
@@jimb12312 - yes. I heard Jobs was in charge of deciding the colors of all the computers.
@@jimb12312 Jobs MO is to get a bunch of different prototypes which are designed by other people and then choose the ones he likes best. He would then demand that something be changed to suit him. It's like me going to a car dealership, choosing the car I like best, and then telling everyone that I designed it.
@@richardgray8593 Sounds like a dumbed down version of how it actually works. Thanks to dumbing it down to the level of a brick.
I love this video. You'll notice that two end caps are missing and when he shows the inside, there are no cards. So they probably just randomly picked some IIe they had sitting around with the 80 column card (removed) and then removed the SSC and disk controller leaving the two holes in the back. I would have thought a promotional video would have shown the back "complete". LOL
It's a neat toy but this "personal computer" thing will never take off.
I don't see the potential either
It took off
As personal toys.
Except from anything from companies seen as game machine sellers in a hilarious twist of irony.
@@AzureOnyxscore only because nobody needs more than 640K?
LOL
IBM Agrees!
That intro animation of the Apple logo is very interesting, I had never seen it before, and I think it is very cool, it shows us visually where this logo comes from, why the apple is bitten, etc.
The apple has a bite out of it because Jobs didn't want people to mistake it for a cherry. Which makes no sense, because the company is called Apple.
Back when Apple products were actually designed AND manufactured in California.
+Alphaslucas the Snow White units were made in Singapore. The units in this video were made in the USA.
Umm. They are manufactured elsewhere but the employees design the systems in California.
And they weren't over priced.
Yall have no idea what you're f'ing talking about. All Apple products have been manufactured @ Mcmurdo station in Antarctica since April '76.
Made In USA.
Oh...that typically 80s stock music!!!
It's perfection
I really miss the bad games we had for it they were so fun back then! !
The computer version of the Turbo Encabulator
Praise be to Steve Jobs who (eventually) allowed the Apple II to have lowercase letters. What a visionary!
What ? ZX Spectrum had them too, even Commodore Pet had it !
Skipping lower-case support on the Apple I and Apple II was a cost-saving measure, from a time when home computers frankly didn't have a lot of practical uses yet. There were ways around this limitation on the Apple II in the late 1970s (hacks, third party 80-column cards, etc.) but it only really became "standard" with the Apple IIe.
The reason it took so long was basically because Apple hadn't really planned to continue the Apple II line beyond the II+. They were trying to launch the Apple III as its successor. When that didn't pan out, they came back to the Apple II platform with the IIe and IIc.
@@tetsujin_144 Woz has said Jobs didn't think it was important.
Praise to the designers of the Atari 800 for its redefinable character set and its graphics coprocessor. It even had a text mode that was 10 pixels high instead of 8 so that you could have descending characters.I remember the Scott Adams text adventures where the Atari version's text used a script font.
I'm sold. Where can I find one in 2025?
The Apple IIe was an awesome computer for the time.
no it wasnt the commodore and IBM were WAY better, dont let a video make your opinion kid, I lived through it and the apple were known as the "dump" computers.
The C64 was better for games. But the Apple II was far better for work, with the Disk II (designed by Wozniak) and his wonderful OS ProDOS.
Softwares for Apple II were excellent : VisiCalc, AppleWriter, AppleWorks...
@@prospero55b Strength of the Apple II was its available 80 column card, that in itself made a world of difference for "serious" business productivity software. The floppy drive system was also quick access. Because there was very little done in hardware, CPU accelerator cards were wholly compatible with all software, with some folks running really fast systems like at 8+MHz.
@@prospero55b Considering both the C64 and the Apple II were based on the 6502 microprocessor, why wouldn't the C64 be good for work? Heck, I think my Atari 800 would have been better for work. It was also based upon the 6502 but it was clocked 80% FASTER than the Apple. Using bank select cartridges one could put a 40K word processor on a 16 cartridge leaving 32K for your document, unlike the Apple that used up a lot of memory just for the program leaving little room for your document.
@@oldtwinsna8347 My Atari 800 had an 80 column card too and I wouldn't be surprised if the C64 had one also.
Ah yes, Apple IIe-high technology as far as my grade school was concerned... and then when I started 4th grade, along came Mac OS.
I wonder how much internal anguish it caused Jobs to have a good thing to say about the Apple II.
If only we could go back to those days. The internet has destroyed the world.
37 years later, Macs are still the most personal computers.
I love mine
Overpriced junk
@@ADDrecords Overpriced, I don't think so, you get what you pay for Bob.
@@chrisstromberg6527 As I mentioned earlier, you could buy an Atari ST AND a laser printer for less money than the MAC. AND, you could put the MAC's O.S. into the ST and turn it into a FASTER MAC computer.
Yes yes but when do they go on sale?
Back when typing was meant to be a truely satisfying. Bring back the typewriter keyboard already.. My votes are in screw size & mobility.
Keep on dreaming. Won't come true, but dreaming is nice.
Bumbling around
3:40 "When WE designed the Apple II"
Jobs didn't touch the Apple II. Woz did 100% of the Apple I and II, and Steve almost ruined the II like he did the III because he wanted to cut the expansion bays from ~6 down to 2. He wanted to lock it down.
He meant we, like Apple... company.
That's not true. Rod Holt designed the power supply. Alan Baum helped Woz design the slots and Steve Jobs designed the case. Woz gets 100% of the credit for Apple II but it isn't accurate. Yes, he designed MOST of it...he designed the tricky video, the timing, etc. But he did NOT design 100% of it.
Walt Broedner designed the motherboard.
@Gravy Boat
I don't think Walt Broedner designed the original Apple II or the motherboard. I can't find any evidence that he was involved at all on the ORIGINAL Apple II. I could be wrong. I do think he may have helped with the IIe and, perhaps, he may have helped with some of the ASIC's that embedded much of the Apple IIe later. Do you have any references?
Sorry I misread II for IIe in your reply.
wait so there was a time where Apple made it easy to service there machines?
Yes. It was a Wozniak requirement. One of the few times he stood up to Jobs. Jobs hated that part of the design.
the Apple IIe will still be worth a nickel in 200 years cause there's so many of them around
Great!
I remember using an Apple II in Kindergarten. Other than educational work, I remember playing Oregon Trail.
4:29 He finally acknowledged the Apple 2 Team :D
The apple II "Small, inexpensive, Easy 2 Use"
*Laughs in Commodore 64*
BRING BACK STEVE JOBS!!!
He‘s dead sadly.
Built for the longhaul.
Built for the long haul.
Fluid
They've even put the matching intro music as if it were a family movie 😂
Steve Jobs, "In 1976, when Woz and I designed the Apple 2." This marks the beginning of Steve Jobs taking credit for things he did not do.
Unbearable narcissist.
But he fucking did though? Jobs gave input over the hardware but he primarily designed the casing.
Quit pulling shit out of your ass, he absolutely contributed.
And to think Jobs wanted the Apple II to be a closed system but Woz stood his ground against it. Jobs finally got his wish with subsequent Apple products. The main reason I've been against Apple products even though the Apple II was my first computer and have fond memories of it.
"or even Mary or Diana"
Or "Lisa" 😁
Even though we have much better computers nowadays, this infomercial makes me want an apple iie more than ever 😂
November 1982.
The only part of Woz's design for the ][ that I find too much of a compromise is how it displays color in high res mode. Really makes using color a nightmare.
Can you elaborate here? Is that why games often had weird "color bleeding" graphics on the Apple ][?
Considering the minimal display hardware used (designed for monochrome), I think this was a very clever way to squeeze in color capability with a minimum of additional circuitry. And his trick of using half-shifts to get two additional colors was a stroke of genius! Of course, this is from a certain point of view. Programmatically, it was a pain, alright, but that's why we write libraries to cover up the ugly details.
Note that although the Atari 8-bit computers that came along a couple of years later in 1979 had far more advanced video hardware and graphics capabilities (having two large custom chips), the hi-res mode that similarly used "artifact" color was inferior to the Apple II's implementation. Not only did it only have 4 fours (2 plus black and white), which colors they were depended on the exact computer model and board revision, while the Apple II's 6 "artifact" colors were consistent. The difference can be seen in most of the _Ultima_ games, for example, which lack color in comparison and often just plain don't look right on the Atari 8-bits. The Apple II's graphics had more limitations than advantages overall, in comparison to others, but in some cases it did offer advantages that some software managed to successfully exploit.
I had to add this one so now there are 256 comments on this video.
That opening music sounds just like the music from SNES Star Fox when you win a level.
youtert the song is actually called “Triumph” by Network Music Ensemble.
The Apple I came out before the Apple ][, in 1976. The Apple ][ was released in 1977
LOL ! This computer was product of Wozniac, not Jobs !
This is like watching footage from the caveman era.
4:31 it"s better than woz and I did in 1976" I think you just meant to say woz there steve
Apple // Enhanced with ProDOS -- Apple III SOS operating system - without overheating cast aluminum case
Apple DOS came out before ProDOS. It was written by Shepardson Microsystems (mostly Paul Laughton). Originally he was to write a BASIC language but needed a way to get the code from the non-Apple computer he used to write it into the Apple. So he wrote Apple DOS first and Apple add enhancements to it. Apple decided to go with Microsoft Basic, so they didn't write a BASIC language for Apple but instead wrote Atari Basic for the 800/400.
Jobs: "Better than Woz and I did in 1976"
Well, you did nothing in the development of the Apple II, Steve. You sold it, but that's all.
I had one of these.
RIP steve😢
"Because Apple II went on to become the biggest selling computer in the history of the world, and still is."
"Well, until the Commodore 64 outsold it..."
lurkerrekrul The Commodore 64 was primarily a gaming console, not a serious computer. Despite attempts, it did not have the software needed to move it into the mainstream computer market. Besides, this was 1983. The Commodore 64 was still in it’s infancy. And, despite eventual robust sales (due solely to it’s cheap price), the Commodore 64 made no real contribution to the overall computer industry. It was a lackluster product which eventually drove it's manufacturer into bankruptcy.
***** No, the C64 didn't drive Commodore to bankruptcy. That was caused by a lot of bungled management during the Amiga era.
The C64 generally had the best graphics and sound of the time. Atari 8-bit systems had a larger palette, but seemed to be limited in how they could use it. Other systems had more memory or a higher resolution and yet they managed to look inferior most of the time. Compare some of the games available on the C64, apple, Atari and IBM at the time and see which version looks and sounds the best.
As for serious software, I'll admit that Apple and IBM seemed to have much more support in that area. Still, I knew a lot of people who used their C64s for going online, word processing, art, music, etc. And yes, they also used it for games. Just like people today use their systems for games as well as for serious tasks. :)
The C64 had solid analogs for all the software the II had, except for a handful of scientific apps. The II line enjoyed only a few years as a "business" machine in the eyes of yuppies, its biggest demographic. It was mainly used for education and journalism in the 80s.
Great sound chip in the C64!
The 64 was not marketed as a gaming console it was marketed as a computer. I love my Apple II but there is not much, beyond a few expansion cards for science and electronics that you can't do on the C64. Besides by the time 1984 rolled around, IIRC the Vic-20 had already out sold it. So I am not sure how accurate his statement was about the biggest selling computer in history, even at that time. The Vic-20 was the first computer to sell over 1 million units. So obviously it passed the Apple II during its day.
1:50
that is a TINY monitor
Pretty typical of the Apple II+ era. It's a 9 inch monochrome monitor, same as on the Apple IIc and the early Macintoshes.
Sorry, Steve, Woz designed the Apple computer. You helped sell it.
Fluid
Energetic
Spit nails and take no prisoners.
"When Woz and I designed the Apple ][" - Steve Jobs
HA HA HA.
i almost went out a bought one just now lol
Just pick it up and drop it
2:14 🎉INNOVATION
Jobs: "5000 dollars is reasonable"
Marketers: "nope"
Jobs: "You all suck, it's not a bad price"
Marketers: "we'll say it's available for $599"
Jobs: "I'll tell them you're in the hospital and out of a job, the price stays at $5000
"EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP WHILE I'M RECORDING!!! ............. 😡😡😡"
3:23
Introducing the Apple-II e... the highly sophisticated computer. Now you may be asking yourself, “what does it do”, well im glad you asked. This is a keyboard.. it’s connected to the computer. Im going to press one of these buttons, and you will simultaneously see that letter appear on the screen... and when i press another letter, that letter will appear next to the first one... and the more you press these buttons, the more letters you’ll see on the screen. You can literally fill the screen with letters, some people may even suggest forming those letters into words that have meaning. That’s the beauty of the computer, you can type anything you want on the keyboard, and it will appear on the screen. Today i typed the words “poopy doopy” and the screen said the words “poopy doopy”. I knew that i was in complete control of what was appearing on the screen. As if that wasn’t fascinating enough... the computer does another thing that is extremely impressive... it allows me to press the delete button and it literally deletes every random letter i type on the screen, and it lets me type it all over again.. and not just once.. i can literally sit there and type a screen full of gibberish, delete every word, and re-type either the same gibberish, or something that’s completely different gibberish. The inventor of the computer is hoping that one day it may do even more than that. But i really dont know what else a computer can do.. What do you expect? To do shopping on your computer?? Haha, thats rubbish, rubbish i say.
Steve didn’t design shit. He just yelled at people. Passionate? Yes. But he was no engineer.
Thats why you are not a visionar. The thing about 'inventing' isnt so 'clear' as you think. You could criticize a lot of inventors, or visionars the same way you did with Steve Jobs. Thomas A. Edision ? What did he really invented ? Phonograph ? Nope - it was there 50 years before him (and with better quality). Lightbulb ? Nope, it was there decades before Edison.. 'Ok ok, but did Edison make it better ?'.. Nope, Tesla did a better Lightbulb (the screwing mechanism we use today goes back to Tesla ... Edisons Lightbulbs was 'plug-in'-Lightbulbs' ... Ok how about : Steam Engine ... 'that was James Watt' ... Nope, isnt his invention... 'Ok ok, you nerdy Pygmalionfaciebat... i know , i know... Dennis Papin was the first 150 years before James Watt' ... Nope ... he wasnt. Heron invented the first steam powered mechanism 1500 years before Dennis Papin was even born.
And yes... also Edison yelled to his workers,.. and used enhancements from their works in his factory, for his own 'patents'.
You have to know : inventing doesnt work like you see in those Looney Toon-Cartoon , where there is a 'crazy professor' who shouts 'heureka !!' , and he invents something.
Thats not how it works (at least most of the time inventions arent made that way).
Its very often: stealing foreworks of others, improving them, combine then with other foreworks of others , AND mix it with a VISION ...
Steve Wozniak was a genius on his own way - yes .. but he wasnt visionary (and for sure he was not a big salesman). But the lack of vision, was a big issue. Steve Jobs was the one, who had those inspirational ideas : 'could you do this ?... could you do that ? '... 'how cool it would be, if we can add this, and that... combine that...' etc etc ...
YES looking BACK everyone says : 'i could do that too ! thats obvious' ... BUT no one did !
Nowadays the challenge is still there... Most of the people ALSO TODAY dont have visionary ideas like : 'could you combine this... and that... how cool would it be...etc' ... Because we all feel: that the technologies we have 'cant serve more' , and 'we are quiet pleased with todays technologies' - that stops visionary thinking of most people... Just like no one thought of a lightbulb, when there is almost no electricity in the cities, AND 'the candles and petroleum lamps do their job just fine!' ... Inventing a lightbulb back then, for the most people would seem as 'step backwards' ...
And thats were the visionary people come in ... They have the ability to see AND (!) go two steps further, than only thinking : 'its not practical nowadays'
The same problems Steve Jobs faced... When he came up with the personal computer - a lot of 'normal people' said : 'Who wants to learn writing on a keyboard, for years, until people can type fluent on the keyboard'... And yes, Steve Jobs had to give that to them : 'Yes thats an issue' ... Later on Steve Jobs said : 'Turns out, the DEATH took care about the people who didnt want to learn typing on a computer keyboard... the new generations grew up with computers, and even dont feel this as a problem'
Thats an example for visionary : see AND going two steps further, than the common people, with a revolutionary invention.
Similar thing goes for lightbulbs vs. candles (just with different, but compareable arguments).
To think visionary is a 'way of thinking' which can hardly described or 'emulated' by people who arent visionary. Its kind of between: technical inventor, and dreamer. Not naive enough to be a dreamer, but not nerdy enough to be a technical inventor - but in a specific way : both. Thats the oxymoron behind it.
PygmalionFaciebat very clear explainations, 👍👍👏👏
The only reason they sold so many apple ii's schools bought the shit out of them. What school did not have an apple ii? 1mhz machines. These were toys... nothing more.
1MHz 6502 machines could be toys, they could also be tools. It's really a question of how you choose to use it.
@@tetsujin_144 I bought an Atari 400 instead. It ran a 1.789 MHz 6502.
Kind of looks like steve is wearing an apple watch haha
He should of started drinking carrot juice now maybe it would of work.
Jobs claimed "Steve and I *designed* the Apple II." More like Woz himself did it!
Woz and I*
unebonnevie Steve came up with the casing and form factor... not insignificant...
Correct! Not significant. The real genius is Woz.
Haha I said not INSIGNIFICANT. No doubt the real genius was in the board but there is also genius in packaging and bringing it to the public. They needed each other to get it off the ground. Woz was going to give it away originally...
woz did most of it, but jobs did still do very little. they both played their role.
Although this is ancient stuff, it's still worth gaining the educational experience you ought to know of.
Some comments are objectively nonsensical. Yours is one of them.
@@SuperPussyFinger OH YEAH; I WASTE NO TIME FEEDING MY MIND, WHAT CAN & WILL CORRUPT ME IN ANY WHICH WAY. NEVER DID I EVER HAVE A FRIEND SAY THIS TO ME; I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN AND WATCH SOMETHING, THAT CORRUPTS MY MIND MIND NO WAY.
Steve’s charisma oozed from the screen. I miss him.
Charisma or assholishness?
The show shut off mid-sentence!
OH SHIT, CAPS LOCK!
Take my money
3:28. Woz and only Woz designed it Steve, you know that. You were the salesman.
woz would keep it in his garage
It's all for that salesman you even heard about this computers
@@noureldainnoureldain5851 True, I don't think Apple II could have been what it was without *both* Steves.
But still, I think it's a little ridiculous for Jobs to claim any credit for designing the Apple II. From what I know of the story, that just wasn't his role.
Back When Commodore Dominated the Home computer market but Apple used schools and the Large American market to edge out Commodore. At that time the first Apple computers used chips made by Commodore.
4:36 That presenter speaks the same as the guy from the Rockwell Retro Encabulator video ruclips.net/video/RXJKdh1KZ0w/видео.html
The Apple II was a POS compared to the Atari 800.
We all wanted the Atari, looked at apple, bought the zx spectrum, but we wanted Atari, Commodore 64 had no soul
@@gnuemacs1166 Well, souls aren't real so I'm OK with that.
C64 did have some good stuff going on, though. SID music, hardware sprites... Pity about the terrible slow speed of the floppy drives.
This was the most personal computer ever! But Steve Jobs intentionally killed him, to introduce the Macintosh. Apple ][ was the computer as a computer should be! Apple ][ brought freedom, but the Macintosh wipe that freedom out! Woz is the wizard who brought this miracle to the world, extendability, compatibility and simplicity that never been existed before, and not exist anymore! If Apple were continued to develop the Apple ][ family, today the world of personal computers has to be the Apple world of personal computers... But instead, IBM made this, and the rest is history.
Except that if you want to think ultra long term, the Macintosh is still a thing (and a big success for Apple) and IBM no longer makes PCs.
@@OldAussieAds Yeah, but the Mac has physically been an IBM-type PC for many years now. If you installed Windows on a modern Mac, it would work perfectly.
@@rbrtck Not trying to be a smart arse, but this time next week a Mac will be released that will not run Windows (non Intel CPU).
@@OldAussieAds Well, I guess I still have a point until then. ;) The underlying point, though, is that personal computer hardware architecture is not exactly the same identifying characteristic that it was back in the 1980s or perhaps 1990s. Apple switching to the IBM PC platform made the strongest argument for this, but switching to another one again, this day and age, really only emphasizes the same point: it's about the interface and "ecosystem", not the hardware. This does not contradict what you said, and is aimed more at what the original commenter said.
MacOS still exists as an alternative to the Windows-based PC, much like Linux, which I think is the real core of your argument, and you're right. It is also now based on BSD Unix, much like Linux (albeit Linux has its own kernel), which likewise runs on a number of different computer architectures.
this is everything that they are not
14nm++ #superfin 🐬
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