I am glad you brought up this subject. Many of these state laws are counter to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA for short) law 99-308. In the FOPA, States are not allowed to have a registration of guns nor have or maintain a list of people that own guns. Also the interstate transportation is not prohibited. There are other subjects covered by the FOPA that many States are violating.
Its funny how cops will think you are breaking the law because they say the law doesn't allow for it... i.e. open carry. To be sure, some cops haven"t been taught that if there is no law against something, that something is totally legal.
They will push around the ignorant and the poor because they know they will get away with it. Also lawyers LOVE gray areas. That’s where they make their $.
A friend of ours was a local police officer, she would occasionally get calls about someone having a gun. She would show up and ask what the problem is. The other person would naturally say x person has a gun (usually in their car). She would reply "So". They would then ask why she isn't arresting them. To which she would reply "They aren't breaking the law". She was one of the good ones, pro gun, pro record the police treated everyone with respect from the start.
I wish a lawyer, instructor, or police officer from each state would make and post such a video as this about his or her respective's state gun laws. Very informative.
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776. My state (Georgia) used to have a "public gathering" law in regards to carrying a firearm. The interpretation of what constituted a public gathering varied from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In spite of ones best efforts in compliance, you could easily find yourself in violation depending on the attitude of the local sheriff.
Well, that’s clear as mud. I travel in an RV six months at a time per year. Sometimes I’ll go thru 15 states with all kinds of different laws and I’m not about to leave my firearm at home. The gun laws should be universal.
MCL 123.1102 is also a cool thing about Michigan. Local municipalities are preempted by MCL, so those township or city park signs that say "no firearms" are completely unenforceable and illegal themselves.
If a business doesn't allow you to carry, just don't use that business. I feel that they don't deserve my money. I live in Kansas and here, if you are a resident and legally allowed to own a pistol, you can carry it openly or concealed, no problem, and I carry EVERY day. Michigan is a little more restrictive, but they haven't gone off the deep end. CA, NY, NJ and several other states could take lessons from either Michigan or Kansas. I can hope, but I won't hold my breath. Thank you for a very well presented video.
The solution to assault rifles is not to do nothing the age to buy a gun should be 21 that's the age to buy a beer that's the dates them smoke cigarettes that should be the age to buy a gun. 18 and 19 year old can't handle it they shoot people when they get pissed off. Doing a background check takes a day or two if the right people can have a gun then by all means let him have the gun there's nothing wrong with a background check the Republicans objected at because gun sales might go down because the wrong person might get a gun but they don't care about that what they care about is the gun being sold so the gun lobbyists pay their campaign and make more money that's what they care about they don't care if your kids die or your brother's kid they don't give a s*** they want the gun sold and anybody putting up a cog in the machine is a no no. That's what the Republicans believe they don't care about safety kids they care about sales
If you do open carry and walk down the sidewalk expect a cop to stop and check you out. People will call the cops as they drive by seeing you with the gun. The cops can be very aggressive even though what you are doing is legal. I have seen the videos on youtube in Michigan. Many of the local cops don't understand the gun laws. I like it better here in Arizona. Go to the store pick out a handgun, do the instant check, purchase the gun, buy ammo, put the ammo in the clip, put the clip in the handgun, put the gun in your pocket, and walk out. No permits needed to conceal here. I see people open carry all of the time.
Thank you Steve, you answered several questions I had. I moved from the Wayne County area thirty years ago but still visit friends there and have wondered what the requirements are since I have a valid carry permit here in Tennessee. Love all of your videos, it kind of takes me back, although I have no desire to move back. Thank you again.
Thank you so much for this video and for the link. I have to travel to Michigan from South Carolina in January and frankly as a concealed weapons permit holder I never go anywhere without my pistol. This definitely makes it a lot easier to know how to do that legally in Michigan.
Found this to be a valuable video since I live in Michigan on the western side. I don't currently own any guns, but learning about your local laws is always a good thing. Thank you I'm wondering why, in Michigan, simply owning guns (all legally owned in MI, ranging from pistols to hunting rifles and shotguns) can be grounds for a protective order against someone. The person affected by this is not me, and this person did not brandish the guns in any way or make threats of using the owned guns. It led to him getting kicked out of his home (enforced by the police officers handling the protective order) and his wife getting to keep essentially anything of his she wanted that was still in the house. The divorce did not go well since he couldn't afford a good attorney (having spent most of his retirement already, more about that in a bit)...and he got royally screwed over. She still has many things that were his before the marriage. Oh yeah, he's now paying taxes via reductions to his social security (his only income) on the disbursements from his retirement account that went toward fixing up that house. The word "screwed" does not feel like an adequate adjective for this situation.
I just saw a youtube video of some Michigan dude who said he got a Florida CCW permit, and now he no longer registers his pistols with Michigan, since he is exempt as he has an out of state CCW. Right here, you just proved him wrong, with the 180 days residence clause. I knew that it could not be legal, just didn't know why. Also, I always figure when talking about gun laws and gray areas, stick to the side of safety, since it is a long, long time to spend even a single day in a federal prison, and I don't want any part of it. We may not like a particular law, but I know for certain that I would not like prison more. Thanks for this post, even if I came across it late. I am following the link, to check for updates now.
Gun free zones? The question YOU should be asking is how come everybody in the South has guns and yet the South leads the nation in gun violence and violent crime and practically every category of crime both by raw number and by rate.
@@Cryptonymicus You'll have to define what South you are referring to. If you are talking about Chicago Detroit and Los Angeles then I guess you're right. Those are all Democrat controlled strongholds so that probably explains everything right there
I've held a license to carry(LTC) in my home state of Texas for years. It is every LTC holder's responsibility in ANY state to know the laws of a state they plan to visit. This license or permit comes with a great responsibility to uphold the laws. Even if we don't agree with them. If we don't, we are no better than those who skirt the laws.
I retired in Michigan from California to be around family. I would not have moved here if Michigan was not a “shall issue” state. When I took the CPL training course I was confounded by the complexity and irregularities of Michigan state firearm laws. But it’s better than Commiefornia by a long shot.
Texas has a small 72 page booklet which addresses the gun issue. It is available from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety for a small fee. Because the Texas legislature meets only every other year the booklet is usually behind current laws by at least one year. I have been legally carrying for about two decades and there are few places I can not carry. ie. the US Post Office, and any private property IF there is a posted sign at the entrance. There are requirements regarding the size and location of the sign. The booklet includes a list of illegal weapons such as any knife over 5.5 inches long...and Yes, Steve's saber is considered illegal to carry in Texas. Texas has an open carry law, but I have no interest in open carry. Open carry. to me, is like going into an all night store at 3:00 AM with sign on your shirt which says "Shoot me First".
Every state agreed to abide by the U.S. Constitution when they joined the union. For every state except the original 13 colonies, this included the Second Amendment. Yet every state has allowed and passed state and local laws contradicting the Second Amendment. The U.S. government fought a civil war and several more recent military actions to enforce the rights of African descendants. The U.S. government regularly requires state laws to be adapted into compliance with the Bill of Rights w.r.t. free speech, arrest protocols, equal treatment, self-incrimination, etc. But instead of enforcing this part of the U.S. Constitution as they each have sworn to do, U.S. officials also pass "legislation" that infringe upon this "unalienable right." The U.S. Constitution provides within itself the ONLY way it may be amended and no amendment has ever altered the original text of the Second Amendment. I really wish someone could explain to me why the U.S. Constitution can be ignored and abused in this way. And why should we have ANY faith that the remaining "unalienable rights" will not soon be countermanded and disregarded once the state militias thus have their teeth pulled.
Simple answer is 2A trumps all, as you know. A people that doesnt assert and defend there rights neither deserves them nor keeps them. Form or join a militia. Be a force that cant be bullied and be ready to fight till the end for your rights. That's the only way to push back the tyranny of today.
Because the SCOTUS “interpretations” of the constitution. Even though the framers argued about how the document was written, what is interesting to me is how it’s in plain English for anyone to understand yet it can still be twisted by the judges it’s just a little confusing to me I hope Steve Lehto can read this and maybe respond I would like to see his opinion on it
Funny part Michigan does mention those 3 letter agencies and carrying the US government issued pistol. Like my niece. She carries in airports and on aircraft.. It is somewhere handy at all times.
awesome video Steve!!! Michigan's gun laws seem to be alot like ours here in Indiana for the most part. one of my biggest gripes in life are all the varying gun laws state by state, especially california which i won't even give light too. i've always wondered how New York City can forbid carry when our second amendment right is of higher order? AND THEN! we have the major current issue of "resiprosity" rights and carry. i'm somewhat lucky in the fact that my father and grandmother are retired and live in Florida and most of the states between Indiana and Florida (at least if traveling on I75) recognize each others state personal concealed carry permit,and thank god for it. as an Indiana lifetime personal protection permit holder i don't carry much around locally just for the simple fact that i don't go places where i feel i need to conceal carry,but, when traveling i will conceal carry for sure. Indiana had an issue 5-6 years ago regarding carry on place of work property and our state legislature passed law upholding our right to be able to have our firearm at our place of work but limited to it being locked in our vehicle in the parking lot whether the property or business owner restricts posession inside the workplace. at the end of the day, there's way to much varying crap from state to state and verses federal law as well. but hey!, it wouldn't be America or the American legal system without all the bullshit and confusion would it-lolol??? i reckin' it keeps a lot of lawyers busy and making money-lol. anyway, god bless America and you to Steve Lehto for all the great(educational and informative) content you give us. i truely appreciate the time you put into the content-so thank you!
Serves him right for living in MD. (Enemy territory.) Mr. Lehto, been watching your videos for a while, finally subscribed. Especially liked you tutorial on what and what not to do in a traffic stop. You do good work.
I just having 1 question that "NO ONE" seems to be able to or refuses to answer everytime I ask it. As a Michigan resident aswell as a CPL holder if and when I approach by a police officer for what ever reason (let's say a traffic stop for example) and I notify them that Iam carrying a firearm per the law is there a LAW which allows them to confiscate my firearm during the meeting just because they want to feel safe? If there is could you let me know which law it is? I've asked a handful of police and of course they all claim that yes there is but not a single one can tell me the actual law. I dont care about their department policy. POLICY IS NOT LAW!! I ask this because surrendering my firearm to a police officer and a stranger (I dont know if this person is having a bad day something) has now given them 2 firearms and none for me to defend myself should the situation arise.
I've not heard of law enforcement confiscating weapons on a whim. In CA--for example--if you are in a vehicle accident, and you go to the hospital (in an ambulance, for example), before your car is towed away, the police will look in your vehicle, and secure/take any firearms (for security). Depending on the circumstances, it can be quite a job to get your firearms back/returned to you [you might have to ask, in writing, and pay a fee, etc.]. If you never ask for your weapons back, the police can destroy them, after a while. Hopefully, if you were somehow unable to communicate, the police wouldn't destroy a really expensive firearm (like an old Purdey shotgun)--but try to get it back to your relatives.
Yes, Mich police have the right to detain you at their discretion at any time talking with you, and yes take immediate possession of your firearm, pencil, shoes or almost anything else that makes them slightly uncomfortable. Yes, that is backed by common law at minimum, and plenty of court cases supporting it.
Great video. One thing I noticed in the explanation of out of state CPL holders is the requirement of reciprocity with the state that issued the CPL. Do you have a video on Michigan “castle law”?
Great video Steve. When deciding which state I'm going to move to, one of the few reasons I decided to NOT move to Michigan was the registration requirements on handgun owners. I'll just content myself with the occasional visit.
Michigan actually does not have registration. It's an acquisition registry. If you bring your guns here from out of state, there is no legal need for you to do anything.
Retired to rural Michigan from California. Found many Michigan laws either odd or confusing including firearm laws. But at least we are a shall issue state for CPL licensing. Thanks for covering this subject. The “may be in violation” depends on the jurisdiction...
The legal update needs to be updated because a person is no longer required to obtain a purchase permit to buy a pistol. Also I think you should have included the last paragraph that states, Officers are also reminded there is no general duty for a citizen to identify himself or herself to a police officer unless the citizen is being stopped for a Michigan Vehicle Code violation.
i have my Arkansas ccl and when i took my classes one of the things they told you was if you have your ccl you can not open carry. it has been a few year since i got my ccl and they have changed the open carry law so i dont know if it changed for ccl. im not a big fan of open carry but i do see people doing it. with open carry i know who has a gun with my ccl no one knows i have mine. keep up the great job i enjoy your channel.
When I took my cpl class the officer didn’t want to admit the technicality in the law that allows cpl holders to open carry in a school. I would advise against doing it but it is legal.
A few things have changed since the MSP issued that Update back in 2010. Green Cards are long gone replaced by the RI-060 forms. I would also check www.handgunlaw.us/ in addition to that Update from the MSP.
Always thought is was crazy that as a CPL holder, I could open carry into the school (until they asked me to leave). I liked the leadership at my kid's school, so I never tested it, but I certainly was tempted.
CT now has a law that requires ANYONE who has an order of protection against them to surrender their firearms for a period of one year. Makes no difference whether or not there was a threat of physical violence involved. You could have harassed someone by sending e-mails or letters requesting payment of a bill. If said person reports you to the police as harassing them, and gets a protective order issued against you, you'll have to surrender your firearms and any carrying permit to the state for a year!
License to Purchase/Transport/Carry a pistol? I live in the Free State of Tennessee, there are no licenses to purchase firearms. There’s a background check and we have a Carry Permit; ironically to the “Free State” comment above, open carry is generally not permissible except with a Carry Permit. However, TN has expanded the Castle Doctrine to enclosed vehicles (yours or your spouse’s), temporary residences (ie, tents), businesses, etc., so its a lot easier for an unlicensed/permitted individual to transport their guns (just don’t have the gun on your person in your and/or your spouse’s enclosed vehicle). What I’ve really taken from this video is that Michigan has probably been added to the list of states that I’m generally unwilling to visit.
@@stevelehto No responsible parent who would allow a 5 year old to conceal carry irrespective of the laws. Use a 22 lr at the range in a safe controlled manor yes I have no issue what that. Govt can not legislate responsibility. In my state NJ, the old Marlin Model 60 (that held over 15 rounds) was an "assault firearm" Mr. Pelleteri won the model 60 from a out of state shooting competition sponsored by a police dpt. An unrelated search warrant turned up this "highly dangerous offensive weapon". In the courts option it declared "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril."1 NJ gun laws are so complex, full of ambiguity,traps, and very harsh punishments for the smallest of overstep. I do not trust my state elected officials to write laws pertaining to weapons. 1 State v. Pelleteri, 294 N.J. Super. 330, 683 A2d 555 (A.D. 1996).
In Texas, we have reciprocity with many states. In fact, it is common to get a permit(whatever the name of it may be. We used to be CHL for Conceal Handgun License , now LTC, License To Carry.) Often it is easier to get some states permit for various reasons: longer term of permit 10 years vs 7, cheaper?, no requirement of shooting range time, etc. So I live in my state with an out of state permit. This is permitted in my state. Yes, I must follow my states laws. The down side is when I buy a gun, they must call in to verify me, just like an unlicensed person. In your video, you explained that nonresidents must be licensed in their own state. So the question is, does the permit from state X that is usable in my home state by reciprocity, not legal in your great state because it was not a direct permit from my home state? Somehow, the reciprocity has been removed?
I live in Kansas and am occasionally in Oklahoma. Because Kansas has Constitutional carry and Oklahoma recognizes other state"s carry laws, I can carry in Oklahoma without a Kansas permit, as long as I have an ID showing I am a Kansas resident. It should be like this everywhere.
blah blah blah... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Hmm... Ever get the feeling that "licensing" is just a fancy term for "We're going to take this right away from you, but if you give us money, you can have it back." Not just with the guns and the Second Amendment, but a lot of other things too.
Licenses are generally "rights with conditions" combined with "money grab in this amount I just made up" Now that's not a bad thing, many things in society should require a barrier to entry, can you imagine road safety if it was just free to drive for anyone?
@@samoksner Honestly I don't think driving conditions would be that bad after driving on roads in third world countries like India. I am willing to accept that type of loss of security for freedom especially when it comes to my right to self defense.
I do not go anywhere I can not carry legally. The exception is hospital or legally required to enter. I avoid gun free zones. Pretty much nothing happens in gun toting zones for some reason. Maybe the up to no goods don't like the idea of a 2 way shooting range? Most of my neighbors are veterans. AKA highly trained killers. You might want to behave in this part of the hood.
750.231a's unlicensed trunk/not accessible basically mirrors the federal transport regulations, barring the feds say locked container explicitly, and ammo separate from the firearm (not in the same case/container).
RE: brandishing Brandished Law and Legal Definition Federal law defines brandished as, “with reference to a dangerous weapon (including a firearm) means that all or part of the weapon was displayed, or the presence of the weapon was otherwise made known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the weapon was directly visible to that person. Accordingly, although the dangerous weapon does not have to be directly visible, the weapon must be present.” (18 USCS Appx § 1B1.1)
Michigan no longer requires a permit to purchase a handgun. However you are required to go through a nics process, (background check) and possession of a cpl does not exempt you from the background check any longer.
Incorrect. I was told today by a ffl if you don't have a cpl you have to go to police post pay for a purchase permit then come back and do the 4473/ nice background check. Basically making people without a cpl go through multiple background checks
Terribly saddened to hear to what happened at the school in Oxford. Do you have a video on Michigan Firearm storage laws? Particular pertaining to one’s residence.
Some time ago I emailed asking about building a handgun and if there is a requirement to fill out the RI-060 registration certificate upon completion but never got an answer. I would love to hear your thoughts on that subject as State Police (that I am aware of) advise people to fill out the RI-060 when making a handgun/pistol but there is no actual legal requirement to do so unless the handgun/pistol is transferred to someone. That also brings in question the legality of lying on the form to say you transferred it (to yourself?). The pamphlet you are reading has some upsetting and misleading content in it that will hopefully be addressed by MSP in the near future. Thank you for finally doing a comprehensive video on gun law!
It is possible to skip handgun registration legally. Obtain an out-of-state CCW/CPL and you are gtg. miopencarry.org/news/2015/06/Opt-Out-Of-Handgun-Registration
It was said in my CPL class that once someone open carrying gets in a vehicle it is then considered concealed carry. Also that if any part of a pistol is visible it is not concealed carry.
What you said about open carry here in Michigan, is Exactly what I was told by a Clinton Twp police officer a few years ago. When asked, he said yes, you can walk to a local gas station, buy something and walk back home (for example) he said ... "But" if George saw that you were open carrying, and asked you to leave the premises, then you would have to leave. I rarely open carry, unless I'm walking to the store or something (which is rare for me, it's too much like work,lol). I walked up to a party store last week, a few blocks from my house. The owner looked and said, "is that thing Iive?" I said well, not chambered, but yes, it's real. He paused, and said ok. That was it. He knows me as a regular there. I'm always very careful not to even let my shirt cover the holster. That's concealed, of course. I've never had a problem with open carry. I didn't know that a Co2 BB gun was considered a weapon because of the Co2 cartridge. Glad I learned about that ! I'm still wondering if Michigan is going to pass a law, that if we are able to open carry, there is a chance that we can get a cpl, without jumping through the hoops. I haven't heard anything more about that. The sad thing in today's world, is that the only ones who can carry in gun free zones, are the psycho's of the world ! People are setting ducks 🦆 with no way to defend themselves. I'll never understand that, as long as I live ! Fish in a barrel !!! Thanks for the help Steve ... "You Rock"
@@HaitianAddy i believe that it depends on which state you live in. Michigan is an open carry state, I'm not sure about the laws in other states. But I doubt that it's illegal to have one for home protection. My gun stays under my pillow every single night.
Is it open carry if openly holstered while riding a bicycle? I read in the statute a vehicle defined so broadly it includes wheelbarrows and furniture dollies.
It's alright, there seems to be more laws and harsh penalties than people who have guns! I've read this stuff before, but it's still a rude awakening that our 2nd amendmen rights are dead.
Federal law allows for interstate transportation of firearms across state lines, including through a state wherein said weapon would be illegal to posses, such that a few conditions are met: the weapon must be legal to posses at both ends of the journey, the weapon must be locked, unloaded, with ammunition secured separately, and the journey shall be limited in stops to what is necessary. This drives some NY and NJ LEOs nuts as some are quite anti-gun. In NYS firearms laws are identified in sections 265 (crimes) and 400 (licensing) of the NYS Penal Law. Thanks to the federal district court the 7 round limit has been struck from the law which has defaulted back to 10 round magazine limits.
Imagine if banks were governed to not have a safe on site. More robberies would be encouraged at these financial institutions. Same goes for gun free zones.
Indiana has a unique law in my opinion. I can have my firearm in my car even in school parking lots, at my place of work, and it is illegal for the company to fire me.
A sheriff's posse? Does the law define that anywhere, and does the sheriff himself (or herself) have to organize it, or can a deputy (or a police officer for that matter), call up or otherwise organize a posse?
Ky has a ccw but it's legal concealed carry without it new law from last year but if you go out of state you must have your permit to show in states with resaprossity
Thanks, Steve. I'll be heading on up to Pure Michigan soon and was wondering about the laws, particularly as they apply to out of state visitors. Much appreciated!
Michigan's laws seem to be rational compared to many other states. The only glaring disconnect that I see is that there is no law against carrying an unconcealed weapon on your person, until you get in a car, then it's against the law. That's a little strange. Thanks for the video!
@ It's already "infringed" in so many different ways. Many of the constraints make sense, but some are holdovers from regulations that were never well thought out. Cops and prosecutors often take advantage of them, and as Steve often says, it takes a professional lawyer to keep you out of harm's way. I for one keep my attorney's business card right next to my CCL in my wallet.
Michigan seems to have three standards: 1) a list of places where a CPL owner can carry despite a gun prohibition; 2) a list of places where a CPL can concealed carry with the permission of the owner or presiding officer; 3) a number of places where a CPL owner can carry but only openly. My question is: a church may provide a letter to CPLs to carry concealed at a "property or facility owned or operated by a Church...", but it doesn't seem this option is available to a school. If a Church owns/runs a school may it permit guns to be carried CONCEALED by its teachers? I have come accross several articles about rural MI public school boards considering arming their teachers, and by this I assume they are talking about concealed carry, since open carry is already open to CPL holding teachers. Under what authority are they considering this since the law in MI does not seem to permit school administrators this latitude. Finally if the answer is no, you can't permit it as an exception to the ban, can you allow it by making it a "condition of employment" for teachers who are willing and able to do so to protect students.
I would think that part about the intent to commit a crime part of the law is designed so they can stack up the charges against a person after the fact
If you buy from a FFL dealer, the pistol transaction record which is filled out in triplicate (one for dealer, one for you, one for MSP) must be turned in by the buyer to their closest Sheriff or Police Dept, who after whatever processing they do forward that to the MSP. There is no longer - that I'm aware of, any green card issued like when years ago pistols had to be submitted to local law enforcement for "saftey inspections". If you don't have a CPL, and are buying a pistol from a private citizen, you still have to obtain a permit to purchase from your local Sheriff/PD. Near a school, or federal facility (Post Office, social security Office, etc.) I would advise to park 1000 feet (for schools) minimum away. Across the street in public parking is ok for fed property. I have read opinions that local post masters can claim any area near post office where their people work a no-gun zone. Such as mailboxes across the street from a post office. Many schools in Michigan have no gun/drug zones posted in a 1000 foot radius. I was recently told by a retired police officer at a CPL refresher class, that when you are stopped, police officers cannot just see if you have a valid CPL on record. They can request that information, but I was told they must have good reason to do so. This is law by the Michigan Legislature. i can tell you with certainty both Canadian and US Border Patrol have that information readily available. If you have CPL from a state that Michigan has reciprocity with, if stopped by LE, and are carrying, you must disclose your firearm verbally immediately to the officer. A lot of states do not have this requirement.
How would you like to do a video on possession of guns in travel trailers, motor homes and in semi trucks which are both, motor vehicle and a temporary home. I live in Temoerance Mich. and mostly interested in Mich law. Thanks Gerry
I have a question the state of Tennessee issues Carry permits this permit allows an individual in the state to carry both concealed or open they do not issue a CCW. Would that change where an individual from Tennessee could carry a firearm?
Cp cpl ccw etc. I believe are basically the same thing under a different name Google (state gun reprocity ) There are maps that show which states honor others permits and if there exceptions or exemptions
Here in PA, open carry is legal as there is no law against it. However, in some areas, some safety Sally might call 911 & report a 'man with a gun', then a dozen cop cars will come screeching up & cite you for causing a disturbance or disorderly conduct. Even if you are walking along cool as a cucumber friendly as can be. Therefore, in my view, concealed with a permit is the more sensible way to go. Across the river in NJ, they have California level gun laws. The mere possession of 1 standard hollow point round in your pocket, even if there's no gun on you is a felony. God help you if you forget you have a 16 round magazine in your glove box that you forgot about. Then you'll be cuffed & face 16 felony counts. Outrageous.
mjnc367 What New Jersey does during a trial involving guns is that they FLIP the burden of proof. We say you are guilty, prove you are innocent. That is not how the justice system is supposed to work. Proving guilt is supposed to be the prosecutor's job. They get away with it because the state & federal judges are biased and anti 2nd amendment.
@@gatesmw50 The scenario I described could have happened to an acquaintance of mine who crossed over the bridge from PA to NJ for a business trip, and totally forgot his legally permitted full size CZ-75 9mm was in his console. With 16 rounds plus 1 in the chamber. If he had been stopped, and his vehicle searched, he would have had 19 felony counts. 1 for the outlawed 'high capacity" magazine. 1 for the firearm. And 18 for each hollow point round. Needless to say, he was scared shi*less. For cc permits, PA is a "shall issue' state. NJ is a 'may issue's state. Essentially meaning only law enforcement or the extremely well politically connected have any chance of getting a permit. These imbicles in government are clueless to anything about firearms. Why possession of a single standard hollow point round is in the books as a felony. This is insanity. I carry Underwood Xtreme Defender solid copper rounds. Technically not a hollow point. But I wouldn't want to chance being the test case for this stupid law.
What happens when you have a gun registered in your name put don’t have a cpl and you get pulled over and arrested? What are the possible outcomes? The gun has never been used.
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I am glad you brought up this subject. Many of these state laws are counter to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA for short) law 99-308.
In the FOPA, States are not allowed to have a registration of guns nor have or maintain a list of people that own guns. Also the interstate transportation is not prohibited. There are other subjects covered by the FOPA that many States are violating.
Its funny how cops will think you are breaking the law because they say the law doesn't allow for it... i.e. open carry. To be sure, some cops haven"t been taught that if there is no law against something, that something is totally legal.
They will push around the ignorant and the poor because they know they will get away with it. Also lawyers LOVE gray areas. That’s where they make their $.
I did not know Michigan had a pistol registration. Why would we want the government to know what guns you have and why is that any of their business.
A friend of ours was a local police officer, she would occasionally get calls about someone having a gun. She would show up and ask what the problem is. The other person would naturally say x person has a gun (usually in their car). She would reply "So". They would then ask why she isn't arresting them. To which she would reply "They aren't breaking the law". She was one of the good ones, pro gun, pro record the police treated everyone with respect from the start.
I wish a lawyer, instructor, or police officer from each state would make and post such a video as this about his or her respective's state gun laws. Very informative.
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776. My state (Georgia) used to have a "public gathering" law in regards to carrying a firearm. The interpretation of what constituted a public gathering varied from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In spite of ones best efforts in compliance, you could easily find yourself in violation depending on the attitude of the local sheriff.
Well, that’s clear as mud. I travel in an RV six months at a time per year. Sometimes I’ll go thru 15 states with all kinds of different laws and I’m not about to leave my firearm at home. The gun laws should be universal.
International*??? U finna drive to mexico with your strap?
MCL 123.1102 is also a cool thing about Michigan. Local municipalities are preempted by MCL, so those township or city park signs that say "no firearms" are completely unenforceable and illegal themselves.
If a business doesn't allow you to carry, just don't use that business. I feel that they don't deserve my money. I live in Kansas and here, if you are a resident and legally allowed to own a pistol, you can carry it openly or concealed, no problem, and I carry EVERY day. Michigan is a little more restrictive, but they haven't gone off the deep end. CA, NY, NJ and several other states could take lessons from either Michigan or Kansas. I can hope, but I won't hold my breath. Thank you for a very well presented video.
As a CPL holder, I think you did an excellent job presenting this.
The solution to assault rifles is not to do nothing the age to buy a gun should be 21 that's the age to buy a beer that's the dates them smoke cigarettes that should be the age to buy a gun. 18 and 19 year old can't handle it they shoot people when they get pissed off. Doing a background check takes a day or two if the right people can have a gun then by all means let him have the gun there's nothing wrong with a background check the Republicans objected at because gun sales might go down because the wrong person might get a gun but they don't care about that what they care about is the gun being sold so the gun lobbyists pay their campaign and make more money that's what they care about they don't care if your kids die or your brother's kid they don't give a s*** they want the gun sold and anybody putting up a cog in the machine is a no no. That's what the Republicans believe they don't care about safety kids they care about sales
If you do open carry and walk down the sidewalk expect a cop to stop and check you out. People will call the cops as they drive by seeing you with the gun. The cops can be very aggressive even though what you are doing is legal. I have seen the videos on youtube in Michigan. Many of the local cops don't understand the gun laws. I like it better here in Arizona. Go to the store pick out a handgun, do the instant check, purchase the gun, buy ammo, put the ammo in the clip, put the clip in the handgun, put the gun in your pocket, and walk out. No permits needed to conceal here. I see people open carry all of the time.
You forgot to mention the profitable selling to Mexican cartels.
@@mr.h5436 you mean the FFLs that were forced to sell to people they didn't want to during the government run fast and furious operation?
Thank you Steve, you answered several questions I had. I moved from the Wayne County area thirty years ago but still visit friends there and have wondered what the requirements are since I have a valid carry permit here in Tennessee. Love all of your videos, it kind of takes me back, although I have no desire to move back. Thank you again.
Thank you so much for this video and for the link. I have to travel to Michigan from South Carolina in January and frankly as a concealed weapons permit holder I never go anywhere without my pistol. This definitely makes it a lot easier to know how to do that legally in Michigan.
Found this to be a valuable video since I live in Michigan on the western side. I don't currently own any guns, but learning about your local laws is always a good thing. Thank you
I'm wondering why, in Michigan, simply owning guns (all legally owned in MI, ranging from pistols to hunting rifles and shotguns) can be grounds for a protective order against someone. The person affected by this is not me, and this person did not brandish the guns in any way or make threats of using the owned guns. It led to him getting kicked out of his home (enforced by the police officers handling the protective order) and his wife getting to keep essentially anything of his she wanted that was still in the house. The divorce did not go well since he couldn't afford a good attorney (having spent most of his retirement already, more about that in a bit)...and he got royally screwed over. She still has many things that were his before the marriage. Oh yeah, he's now paying taxes via reductions to his social security (his only income) on the disbursements from his retirement account that went toward fixing up that house. The word "screwed" does not feel like an adequate adjective for this situation.
I just saw a youtube video of some Michigan dude who said he got a Florida CCW permit, and now he no longer registers his pistols with Michigan, since he is exempt as he has an out of state CCW. Right here, you just proved him wrong, with the 180 days residence clause. I knew that it could not be legal, just didn't know why.
Also, I always figure when talking about gun laws and gray areas, stick to the side of safety, since it is a long, long time to spend even a single day in a federal prison, and I don't want any part of it. We may not like a particular law, but I know for certain that I would not like prison more. Thanks for this post, even if I came across it late. I am following the link, to check for updates now.
Your analysis is incorrect. This has been discussed at length by multiple lawyers within Michigan who specialize in gun law.
Go read 28.432 (1)(f)
With all these laws and gun free zones how is it possible for any trouble in those places? Where do we get our other constitutional rights permits?
Gun free zones? The question YOU should be asking is how come everybody in the South has guns and yet the South leads the nation in gun violence and violent crime and practically every category of crime both by raw number and by rate.
@@Cryptonymicus You'll have to define what South you are referring to. If you are talking about Chicago Detroit and Los Angeles then I guess you're right. Those are all Democrat controlled strongholds so that probably explains everything right there
@@danav3387 St Louis has double the death per capita shootings over Chicago. Your fearless leaders have you right where they want you.
Thank you for clearing some of that up! This is the best Michigan gun law video I’ve seen
I am from Ontario Canada and the laws here are very different but I find myself watching your videos, you remind me of a teacher I had in high school.
I've held a license to carry(LTC) in my home state of Texas for years. It is every LTC holder's responsibility in ANY state to know the laws of a state they plan to visit. This license or permit comes with a great responsibility to uphold the laws. Even if we don't agree with them. If we don't, we are no better than those who skirt the laws.
I retired in Michigan from California to be around family. I would not have moved here if Michigan was not a “shall issue” state. When I took the CPL training course I was confounded by the complexity and irregularities of Michigan state firearm laws. But it’s better than Commiefornia by a long shot.
Texas has a small 72 page booklet which addresses the gun issue. It is available from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety for a small fee. Because the Texas legislature meets only every other year the booklet is usually behind current laws by at least one year. I have been legally carrying for about two decades and there are few places I can not carry. ie. the US Post Office, and any private property IF there is a posted sign at the entrance. There are requirements regarding the size and location of the sign. The booklet includes a list of illegal weapons such as any knife over 5.5 inches long...and Yes, Steve's saber is considered illegal to carry in Texas. Texas has an open carry law, but I have no interest in open carry. Open carry. to me, is like going into an all night store at 3:00 AM with sign on your shirt which says "Shoot me First".
Every state agreed to abide by the U.S. Constitution when they joined the union. For every state except the original 13 colonies, this included the Second Amendment. Yet every state has allowed and passed state and local laws contradicting the Second Amendment. The U.S. government fought a civil war and several more recent military actions to enforce the rights of African descendants. The U.S. government regularly requires state laws to be adapted into compliance with the Bill of Rights w.r.t. free speech, arrest protocols, equal treatment, self-incrimination, etc. But instead of enforcing this part of the U.S. Constitution as they each have sworn to do, U.S. officials also pass "legislation" that infringe upon this "unalienable right." The U.S. Constitution provides within itself the ONLY way it may be amended and no amendment has ever altered the original text of the Second Amendment. I really wish someone could explain to me why the U.S. Constitution can be ignored and abused in this way. And why should we have ANY faith that the remaining "unalienable rights" will not soon be countermanded and disregarded once the state militias thus have their teeth pulled.
Simple answer is 2A trumps all, as you know. A people that doesnt assert and defend there rights neither deserves them nor keeps them. Form or join a militia. Be a force that cant be bullied and be ready to fight till the end for your rights. That's the only way to push back the tyranny of today.
Because the SCOTUS “interpretations” of the constitution. Even though the framers argued about how the document was written, what is interesting to me is how it’s in plain English for anyone to understand yet it can still be twisted by the judges it’s just a little confusing to me
I hope Steve Lehto can read this and maybe respond I would like to see his opinion on it
Funny part Michigan does mention those 3 letter agencies and carrying the US government issued pistol. Like my niece. She carries in airports and on aircraft..
It is somewhere handy at all times.
Keep up the good work. We camp in MI all the time and enjoy the knowledge you impart. You would be welcome on our campsite anytime.
awesome video Steve!!! Michigan's gun laws seem to be alot like ours here in Indiana for the most part. one of my biggest gripes in life are all the varying gun laws state by state, especially california which i won't even give light too. i've always wondered how New York City can forbid carry when our second amendment right is of higher order? AND THEN! we have the major current issue of "resiprosity" rights and carry. i'm somewhat lucky in the fact that my father and grandmother are retired and live in Florida and most of the states between Indiana and Florida (at least if traveling on I75) recognize each others state personal concealed carry permit,and thank god for it. as an Indiana lifetime personal protection permit holder i don't carry much around locally just for the simple fact that i don't go places where i feel i need to conceal carry,but, when traveling i will conceal carry for sure. Indiana had an issue 5-6 years ago regarding carry on place of work property and our state legislature passed law upholding our right to be able to have our firearm at our place of work but limited to it being locked in our vehicle in the parking lot whether the property or business owner restricts posession inside the workplace. at the end of the day, there's way to much varying crap from state to state and verses federal law as well. but hey!, it wouldn't be America or the American legal system without all the bullshit and confusion would it-lolol??? i reckin' it keeps a lot of lawyers busy and making money-lol. anyway, god bless America and you to Steve Lehto for all the great(educational and informative) content you give us. i truely appreciate the time you put into the content-so thank you!
Thank you for the link - since I have a IL and Utah CCW permits. I do carry in your state when I visit. Thank you for your video. Spin
Serves him right for living in MD. (Enemy territory.) Mr. Lehto, been watching your videos for a while, finally subscribed. Especially liked you tutorial on what and what not to do in a traffic stop. You do good work.
I just having 1 question that "NO ONE" seems to be able to or refuses to answer everytime I ask it.
As a Michigan resident aswell as a CPL holder if and when I approach by a police officer for what ever reason (let's say a traffic stop for example) and I notify them that Iam carrying a firearm per the law is there a LAW which allows them to confiscate my firearm during the meeting just because they want to feel safe?
If there is could you let me know which law it is? I've asked a handful of police and of course they all claim that yes there is but not a single one can tell me the actual law. I dont care about their department policy. POLICY IS NOT LAW!!
I ask this because surrendering my firearm to a police officer and a stranger (I dont know if this person is having a bad day something) has now given them 2 firearms and none for me to defend myself should the situation arise.
I've not heard of law enforcement confiscating weapons on a whim.
In CA--for example--if you are in a vehicle accident, and you go to the hospital (in an ambulance, for example), before your car is towed away, the police will look in your vehicle, and secure/take any firearms (for security). Depending on the circumstances, it can be quite a job to get your firearms back/returned to you [you might have to ask, in writing, and pay a fee, etc.]. If you never ask for your weapons back, the police can destroy them, after a while. Hopefully, if you were somehow unable to communicate, the police wouldn't destroy a really expensive firearm (like an old Purdey shotgun)--but try to get it back to your relatives.
Yes, Mich police have the right to detain you at their discretion at any time talking with you, and yes take immediate possession of your firearm, pencil, shoes or almost anything else that makes them slightly uncomfortable. Yes, that is backed by common law at minimum, and plenty of court cases supporting it.
Great video. I recently had to study up on MI (and all the states I drove through) gun laws when I visited my mom.
Great video.
One thing I noticed in the explanation of out of state CPL holders is the requirement of reciprocity with the state that issued the CPL.
Do you have a video on Michigan “castle law”?
Thank you Steve been wanting to here Michigan laws on guns........ Great Video....
Great video Steve. When deciding which state I'm going to move to, one of the few reasons I decided to NOT move to Michigan was the registration requirements on handgun owners. I'll just content myself with the occasional visit.
yep Michigan Handgun Laws are absurd! Of course Rifles and shotguns present NO Danger!
Michigan actually does not have registration. It's an acquisition registry. If you bring your guns here from out of state, there is no legal need for you to do anything.
Wow Lehto, that microphone collection is really mighty fine, I'll bet they all work too.
Retired to rural Michigan from California. Found many Michigan laws either odd or confusing including firearm laws. But at least we are a shall issue state for CPL licensing. Thanks for covering this subject. The “may be in violation” depends on the jurisdiction...
Clear as mud! Thanks for all your videos!!!
Next video should be knife/sword laws featuring the Rapala and cavalry saber
As usual, clear as mud. Good thing this was the summary!
The legal update needs to be updated because a person is no longer required to obtain a purchase permit to buy a pistol. Also I think you should have included the last paragraph that states, Officers are also reminded there is no general duty for a citizen to identify himself or herself to a police officer unless the citizen is being stopped for a Michigan Vehicle Code violation.
i have my Arkansas ccl and when i took my classes one of the things they told you was if you have your ccl you can not open carry. it has been a few year since i got my ccl and they have changed the open carry law so i dont know if it changed for ccl. im not a big fan of open carry but i do see people doing it. with open carry i know who has a gun with my ccl no one knows i have mine. keep up the great job i enjoy your channel.
When I took my cpl class the officer didn’t want to admit the technicality in the law that allows cpl holders to open carry in a school. I would advise against doing it but it is legal.
Not planning on going to Michigan anytime soon but I am getting my ccw when I turn 21 in October I already got a nice bersa 380 picked out
Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the great vid Steve...btw where did you get that sinking Titanic on the shelf behind you?
I'm sad to hear that Michigan's gun laws are so absurdly restrictive. My state went constitutional carry and crime went DOWN.
The good news is that crime has fallen for the country for many years.
Assuming you're not in Illinois?
@@KTawes1217 just google Illinois crime rate
Thank you for this!
great and very informative video.. thank you so much
A few things have changed since the MSP issued that Update back in 2010. Green Cards are long gone replaced by the RI-060 forms. I would also check www.handgunlaw.us/ in addition to that Update from the MSP.
Always thought is was crazy that as a CPL holder, I could open carry into the school (until they asked me to leave). I liked the leadership at my kid's school, so I never tested it, but I certainly was tempted.
CT now has a law that requires ANYONE who has an order of protection against them to surrender their firearms for a period of one year. Makes no difference whether or not there was a threat of physical violence involved. You could have harassed someone by sending e-mails or letters requesting payment of a bill. If said person reports you to the police as harassing them, and gets a protective order issued against you, you'll have to surrender your firearms and any carrying permit to the state for a year!
Getting orders of protection ain't as easy as the NRA wants you to believe.
@@MickeyD2012 And I could make up a hundred stories that prove the reverse is true.
If the lives saved by this(mostly girlfriends,wives and their children) doesn't matter to you....
The AG’s opinion needs to be given in any jury trial as a jury instruction for deliberation
License to Purchase/Transport/Carry a pistol? I live in the Free State of Tennessee, there are no licenses to purchase firearms. There’s a background check and we have a Carry Permit; ironically to the “Free State” comment above, open carry is generally not permissible except with a Carry Permit. However, TN has expanded the Castle Doctrine to enclosed vehicles (yours or your spouse’s), temporary residences (ie, tents), businesses, etc., so its a lot easier for an unlicensed/permitted individual to transport their guns (just don’t have the gun on your person in your and/or your spouse’s enclosed vehicle). What I’ve really taken from this video is that Michigan has probably been added to the list of states that I’m generally unwilling to visit.
I was Born and grew up in Michigan I could write VOLUMES about stupid laws in Michigan!
The only gun law we need is the 2nd amendment.
Should 5 year-olds be allowed to carry guns?
@@stevelehtoAs long as they aren't liberals, I say yes!
Absolutely
@@stevelehto No responsible parent who would allow a 5 year old to conceal carry irrespective of the laws. Use a 22 lr at the range in a safe controlled manor yes I have no issue what that.
Govt can not legislate responsibility. In my state NJ, the old Marlin Model 60 (that held over 15 rounds) was an "assault firearm" Mr. Pelleteri won the model 60 from a out of state shooting competition sponsored by a police dpt. An unrelated search warrant turned up this "highly dangerous offensive weapon". In the courts option it declared "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril."1 NJ gun laws are so complex, full of ambiguity,traps, and very harsh punishments for the smallest of overstep.
I do not trust my state elected officials to write laws pertaining to weapons.
1 State v. Pelleteri, 294 N.J. Super. 330, 683 A2d 555 (A.D. 1996).
@@wilhelmkirkpatrick I'm just pointing out that SOME regulation is necessary. The only argument is how much. Thanks for commenting.
In Texas, we have reciprocity with many states. In fact, it is common to get a permit(whatever the name of it may be. We used to be CHL for Conceal Handgun License , now LTC, License To Carry.) Often it is easier to get some states permit for various reasons: longer term of permit 10 years vs 7, cheaper?, no requirement of shooting range time, etc. So I live in my state with an out of state permit. This is permitted in my state. Yes, I must follow my states laws. The down side is when I buy a gun, they must call in to verify me, just like an unlicensed person. In your video, you explained that nonresidents must be licensed in their own state. So the question is, does the permit from state X that is usable in my home state by reciprocity, not legal in your great state because it was not a direct permit from my home state? Somehow, the reciprocity has been removed?
I live in Kansas and am occasionally in Oklahoma. Because Kansas has Constitutional carry and Oklahoma recognizes other state"s carry laws, I can carry in Oklahoma without a Kansas permit, as long as I have an ID showing I am a Kansas resident. It should be like this everywhere.
"Should be", could be a costly assumption. I shiver when I think about the assumptions I once had on this subject.
We have constitutional carry now too
@Steve Lehto CONGRATULATIONS!! i just noticed you hit 70k subscribers
I just noticed too! Thanks.
Thanks for breaking this down. Michigan has new gun laws that went into effect in Feb. 2024.
I used to live in Michigan. Arizona is where I have been for 17 years. We are free of most of those nonsense laws!
Stay alert
"I wasn't driving, I was moving my gun...."
Well done fellow traveler, got a good chuckle from that lol
Good information thank you!
blah blah blah... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Hmm...
Ever get the feeling that "licensing" is just a fancy term for "We're going to take this right away from you, but if you give us money, you can have it back."
Not just with the guns and the Second Amendment, but a lot of other things too.
Licenses are generally "rights with conditions" combined with "money grab in this amount I just made up"
Now that's not a bad thing, many things in society should require a barrier to entry, can you imagine road safety if it was just free to drive for anyone?
@@samoksner Honestly I don't think driving conditions would be that bad after driving on roads in third world countries like India. I am willing to accept that type of loss of security for freedom especially when it comes to my right to self defense.
Very good information. Have you heard anything about bill 4029? I’ve heard it passed through the house but pending on The House Senate??
I’ve pulled my. Pistol 3 times. Saved my life did not pull the trigger. Just showing the gun and standing my ground was enough. Never want to shoot.
I wasn't driving. I was travelling to the gun store.
I do not go anywhere I can not carry legally. The exception is hospital or legally required to enter.
I avoid gun free zones. Pretty much nothing happens in gun toting zones for some reason.
Maybe the up to no goods don't like the idea of a 2 way shooting range?
Most of my neighbors are veterans. AKA highly trained killers. You might want to behave in this part of the hood.
750.231a's unlicensed trunk/not accessible basically mirrors the federal transport regulations, barring the feds say locked container explicitly, and ammo separate from the firearm (not in the same case/container).
I cant say I approve of many of these laws, but I thank you for the accurate and concise information.
Wherever guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
RE: brandishing
Brandished Law and Legal Definition
Federal law defines brandished as, “with reference to a dangerous weapon (including a firearm) means that all or part of the weapon was displayed, or the presence of the weapon was otherwise made known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the weapon was directly visible to that person. Accordingly, although the dangerous weapon does not have to be directly visible, the weapon must be present.” (18 USCS Appx § 1B1.1)
Michigan no longer requires a permit to purchase a handgun. However you are required to go through a nics process, (background check) and possession of a cpl does not exempt you from the background check any longer.
You are correct with a purchase through an FFL, a private purchase still needs a "permit to purchase" or a CPL.
Incorrect. I was told today by a ffl if you don't have a cpl you have to go to police post pay for a purchase permit then come back and do the 4473/ nice background check. Basically making people without a cpl go through multiple background checks
Terribly saddened to hear to what happened at the school in Oxford. Do you have a video on Michigan Firearm storage laws? Particular pertaining to one’s residence.
In Michigan there are no storage laws on the books.
@@otm646 Happy Freedom
Open carry causes so much controversy and public panic. I like the element of surprise
Only police and idiots open carry. Just making yourself a target. In Alaska there is no panic but it’s still stupid.
Thank you for the Great video
Any updated laws in Michigan concerning cpl, red flag laws and open carry laws 2022?
Thanks Steve.
Is there an updated you tube on this subject?
Looks like this is gonna have to be updated in a couple months
Some time ago I emailed asking about building a handgun and if there is a requirement to fill out the RI-060 registration certificate upon completion but never got an answer. I would love to hear your thoughts on that subject as State Police (that I am aware of) advise people to fill out the RI-060 when making a handgun/pistol but there is no actual legal requirement to do so unless the handgun/pistol is transferred to someone. That also brings in question the legality of lying on the form to say you transferred it (to yourself?). The pamphlet you are reading has some upsetting and misleading content in it that will hopefully be addressed by MSP in the near future. Thank you for finally doing a comprehensive video on gun law!
It is possible to skip handgun registration legally. Obtain an out-of-state CCW/CPL and you are gtg.
miopencarry.org/news/2015/06/Opt-Out-Of-Handgun-Registration
@@Athonite, I am talking about specifically when you build an AR pistol or P80 or some other personal manufacture of handgun.
It was said in my CPL class that once someone open carrying gets in a vehicle it is then considered concealed carry. Also that if any part of a pistol is visible it is not concealed carry.
Correction: IF ANY portion of the weapon is not visible [or clearly holstered], it IS CONCEALED CARRY.
What you said about open carry here in Michigan, is Exactly what I was told by a Clinton Twp police officer a few years ago. When asked, he said yes, you can walk to a local gas station, buy something and walk back home (for example) he said ... "But" if George saw that you were open carrying, and asked you to leave the premises, then you would have to leave. I rarely open carry, unless I'm walking to the store or something (which is rare for me, it's too much like work,lol). I walked up to a party store last week, a few blocks from my house. The owner looked and said, "is that thing Iive?" I said well, not chambered, but yes, it's real. He paused, and said ok. That was it. He knows me as a regular there. I'm always very careful not to even let my shirt cover the holster. That's concealed, of course. I've never had a problem with open carry. I didn't know that a Co2 BB gun was considered a weapon because of the Co2 cartridge. Glad I learned about that ! I'm still wondering if Michigan is going to pass a law, that if we are able to open carry, there is a chance that we can get a cpl, without jumping through the hoops. I haven't heard anything more about that. The sad thing in today's world, is that the only ones who can carry in gun free zones, are the psycho's of the world ! People are setting ducks 🦆 with no way to defend themselves. I'll never understand that, as long as I live ! Fish in a barrel !!! Thanks for the help Steve ... "You Rock"
Do you need a cpl to own a gun , just to keep it in the house?
@@HaitianAddy i believe that it depends on which state you live in. Michigan is an open carry state, I'm not sure about the laws in other states. But I doubt that it's illegal to have one for home protection. My gun stays under my pillow every single night.
Is it open carry if openly holstered while riding a bicycle? I read in the statute a vehicle defined so broadly it includes wheelbarrows and furniture dollies.
Yes, that is standard open carry, very common.
It's alright, there seems to be more laws and harsh penalties than people who have guns! I've read this stuff before, but it's still a rude awakening that our 2nd amendmen rights are dead.
Federal law allows for interstate transportation of firearms across state lines, including through a state wherein said weapon would be illegal to posses, such that a few conditions are met: the weapon must be legal to posses at both ends of the journey, the weapon must be locked, unloaded, with ammunition secured separately, and the journey shall be limited in stops to what is necessary.
This drives some NY and NJ LEOs nuts as some are quite anti-gun. In NYS firearms laws are identified in sections 265 (crimes) and 400 (licensing) of the NYS Penal Law. Thanks to the federal district court the 7 round limit has been struck from the law which has defaulted back to 10 round magazine limits.
Notice how they don’t allow them in church’s or theater’s but we have seen multiple shootings here in those exact locations 🤦♂️
An “authorized official” can OK carry in a church
Nearly all public shootings happen in "gun free zones".
Imagine if banks were governed to not have a safe on site. More robberies would be encouraged at these financial institutions. Same goes for gun free zones.
Walmart and Meijer look for the stickers they're everywhere.
@@trevoryqt Never seen one at a church.
Thanks for sharing
Indiana has a unique law in my opinion. I can have my firearm in my car even in school parking lots, at my place of work, and it is illegal for the company to fire me.
I dont think it was always like that till around 10 or so years ago
A sheriff's posse? Does the law define that anywhere, and does the sheriff himself (or herself) have to organize it, or can a deputy (or a police officer for that matter), call up or otherwise organize a posse?
Sheriffs posse is volunteer deputies who are on horseback during their duties as officers eg providing security for certain events or surchases
Love this page new follower
Ky has a ccw but it's legal concealed carry without it new law from last year but if you go out of state you must have your permit to show in states with resaprossity
Thanks, Steve. I'll be heading on up to Pure Michigan soon and was wondering about the laws, particularly as they apply to out of state visitors. Much appreciated!
Michigan's laws seem to be rational compared to many other states. The only glaring disconnect that I see is that there is no law against carrying an unconcealed weapon on your person, until you get in a car, then it's against the law. That's a little strange. Thanks for the video!
@ It's already "infringed" in so many different ways. Many of the constraints make sense, but some are holdovers from regulations that were never well thought out. Cops and prosecutors often take advantage of them, and as Steve often says, it takes a professional lawyer to keep you out of harm's way. I for one keep my attorney's business card right next to my CCL in my wallet.
We have to register all handguns. Not reasonable.
Solution is carry it open outside the vehicle then properly stow it before proceeding to travel.
An armed society is a polite society. Thomas Jefferson
I want to be on the sheriff Pose. Steve the look on your face was priceless!! well do my friend. do they still exsist?
Michigan seems to have three standards:
1) a list of places where a CPL owner can carry despite a gun prohibition;
2) a list of places where a CPL can concealed carry with the permission of the owner or presiding officer;
3) a number of places where a CPL owner can carry but only openly.
My question is: a church may provide a letter to CPLs to carry concealed at a "property or facility owned or operated by a Church...", but it doesn't seem this option is available to a school. If a Church owns/runs a school may it permit guns to be carried CONCEALED by its teachers? I have come accross several articles about rural MI public school boards considering arming their teachers, and by this I assume they are talking about concealed carry, since open carry is already open to CPL holding teachers. Under what authority are they considering this since the law in MI does not seem to permit school administrators this latitude.
Finally if the answer is no, you can't permit it as an exception to the ban, can you allow it by making it a "condition of employment" for teachers who are willing and able to do so to protect students.
I would think that part about the intent to commit a crime part of the law is designed so they can stack up the charges against a person after the fact
If you buy from a FFL dealer, the pistol transaction record which is filled out in triplicate (one for dealer, one for you, one for MSP) must be turned in by the buyer to their closest Sheriff or Police Dept, who after whatever processing they do forward that to the MSP. There is no longer - that I'm aware of, any green card issued like when years ago pistols had to be submitted to local law enforcement for "saftey inspections". If you don't have a CPL, and are buying a pistol from a private citizen, you still have to obtain a permit to purchase from your local Sheriff/PD.
Near a school, or federal facility (Post Office, social security Office, etc.) I would advise to park 1000 feet (for schools) minimum away. Across the street in public parking is ok for fed property. I have read opinions that local post masters can claim any area near post office where their people work a no-gun zone. Such as mailboxes across the street from a post office. Many schools in Michigan have no gun/drug zones posted in a 1000 foot radius.
I was recently told by a retired police officer at a CPL refresher class, that when you are stopped, police officers cannot just see if you have a valid CPL on record. They can request that information, but I was told they must have good reason to do so. This is law by the Michigan Legislature. i can tell you with certainty both Canadian and US Border Patrol have that information readily available.
If you have CPL from a state that Michigan has reciprocity with, if stopped by LE, and are carrying, you must disclose your firearm verbally immediately to the officer. A lot of states do not have this requirement.
Chuckwagon 524 not in Kentucky
How would you like to do a video on possession of guns in travel trailers, motor homes and in semi trucks which are both, motor vehicle and a temporary home. I live in Temoerance Mich. and mostly interested in Mich law.
Thanks Gerry
Gerry Gilmore especially in RV’s!
Thank you!
I have a question the state of Tennessee issues Carry permits this permit allows an individual in the state to carry both concealed or open they do not issue a CCW. Would that change where an individual from Tennessee could carry a firearm?
Cp cpl ccw etc. I believe are basically the same thing under a different name
Google (state gun reprocity )
There are maps that show which states honor others permits and if there exceptions or exemptions
is it legal to carry a black powder pistol openly and conceal in Michigan
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Here in PA, open carry is legal as there is no law against it. However, in some areas, some safety Sally might call 911 & report a 'man with a gun', then a dozen cop cars will come screeching up & cite you for causing a disturbance or disorderly conduct. Even if you are walking along cool as a cucumber friendly as can be. Therefore, in my view, concealed with a permit is the more sensible way to go. Across the river in NJ, they have California level gun laws. The mere possession of 1 standard hollow point round in your pocket, even if there's no gun on you is a felony. God help you if you forget you have a 16 round magazine in your glove box that you forgot about. Then you'll be cuffed & face 16 felony counts. Outrageous.
mjnc367 What New Jersey does during a trial involving guns is that they FLIP the burden of proof. We say you are guilty, prove you are innocent. That is not how the justice system is supposed to work. Proving guilt is supposed to be the prosecutor's job. They get away with it because the state & federal judges are biased and anti 2nd amendment.
@@gatesmw50 The scenario I described could have happened to an acquaintance of mine who crossed over the bridge from PA to NJ for a business trip, and totally forgot his legally permitted full size CZ-75 9mm was in his console. With 16 rounds plus 1 in the chamber. If he had been stopped, and his vehicle searched, he would have had 19 felony counts. 1 for the outlawed 'high capacity" magazine. 1 for the firearm. And 18 for each hollow point round. Needless to say, he was scared shi*less. For cc permits, PA is a "shall issue' state. NJ is a 'may issue's state. Essentially meaning only law enforcement or the extremely well politically connected have any chance of getting a permit. These imbicles in government are clueless to anything about firearms. Why possession of a single standard hollow point round is in the books as a felony. This is insanity. I carry Underwood Xtreme Defender solid copper rounds. Technically not a hollow point. But I wouldn't want to chance being the test case for this stupid law.
What happens when you have a gun registered in your name put don’t have a cpl and you get pulled over and arrested? What are the possible outcomes? The gun has never been used.