Will this ever come out (and for the Revo)? This is a make-or-break for the Revo Ecosystem. The lack of an high-flow variant and the lack of anything other than brass is killing me..
As a human being wishing for a better future companies like this deserve the attention of the consumer they are genuine and share in excellence! really nice work!
And then you have to throw it away because it got clogged with some inorganic particles. I only use cheap brass nozzles. I never had to replace one because of wear. But I had to replace several nozzles because of unremovable clogs.
It's been sometime since this interview came out. When are we getting this, I've been looking forward to trying one out. Specially now that Diamondback Nozzles came out
that's cool! i wonder how hecking expensive this is :O this should've been a default option on those new nozzlebreaks, tho combined with the heatbreak it'd cost so much... EDIT: Same price as nozzle x! nice :) might get one once i'm in canada! I wonder if this is still sensitive to cold pulls/brass brushes or not. i sometimes deal with clogs and not being able to harshly pull it out is a huge deal to me.
There needs to be a standardization to move to quick change tooling for 3d printing. It would be nice if a robot would swap out a head for mass material filling and then switch nozzles for more finer/precise printing.
Sounds good, i need one in 0.4 for my MK3S+ Currently im using a Nozzle X but often my Filament sticks to the Nozzle X :( Tried some Cloths to clean but i expected more from the Nozzle X. Maybe the ObXidian ist better for me :)
The longer they take with releasing these, the longer their Revo ecosystem is at a serious disadvantage being unable to handle anything fancier than the absolute basic materials. At this rate i think i will invest in a competing product.
You break it, I'll buy you a new one. Personally. Not an E3D spec (not decided how to spec it yet), but if you can wear it then I'd love to know how. Because we can't even touch it. And we've really tried
@@SanjayMortimer I'm currently running the nozzle x on the voron 2.4 and I'm impressed by the quality. I can't wait to get my hands on the new ObXidian nozzle.
They are much more expensive to make compared to these with basically a ceramic/diamond coating(similar to the coatings they use for cars but high temp).
I do wonder if theyll have that in revo form. They answered this question. It will, eventually. They say end of the year, but companies say things so probably before the end of next year
Never wear? That is impossible, every type of coating will come off during usage. I want hard numbers not marketing slogans. Engineering is an art of balance between positive and negative properties against price and usability.
I'd say that too. We searched for that upper limit. These aren't hard numbers, just my best recollection, but I think stats are that we are between 20-30kg and counting on our life leader. We have a measurement uncertainty of
@@SanjayMortimer dear Sanjay tnx for the very comprehensive response to my post. I like your cockiness on the internet, that is a sign of your pride and belief in the product. I'm not a "normal people" guy, I build custom CNC machines of all types. Your post is filled with hard numbers, and that is what I need.
@@SanjayMortimer Hey Sanjay, any comments on the heat transfer of this nozzle design compared to a solid brass nozzle or solid steel? Our beloved German chef Stefan saw something like a 10% decrease in flow in some conditions with a solid steel nozzle vs brass. Looking at the outside of the design, I could imagine it being better or worse than traditional steel nozzles - less steel to transfer heat through but on the other hand an additional thermal barrier to cross (be it interference or swaging?). Knowing a bit about the E3D design philosophy, you don't tend to compromise, so it's probably safe to assume it's better or a small compromise. But, seeing that you're in the comments section, I figured I'd ask you directly. I think it's also safe to assume that your target market for this product is not me, who is trying to get every last mm3/s of flow out of their set up. So I'm just curious more than anything.
why not a titanium tip? doesn't that last longer than steel? nozzle x does wear and it was supposed to not wear. CF12 or even lots of 6 is enough to eat a nozzle x after several kg's
Information Titan is very soft when it comes to abrasive movement. Especialy slow abrasion. It is with nickel alloyed some of the highest heat resistand metal but when you try to make a sharp knife out of it the edge will go blunt after 2 cuts trough paper. Why? Because titan is not dense. It is leightweight. Nonabrasiv-ity comes from a high hardness and density of the 2 materials that rub at eachother. You can rub 2 diamons at eachother for weeks but their surface will change. You can rub a diamond on a glass but then the hardness from the diamond will win. Its all about balance. A small inpressed tip made from a diamondlike material in a brass or steelbody would be a good combination. Because so the filament gets liquified and the nozzle not worn out fast.
@@antilogism it will be gone someday. Titan is way to soft. Ceramic is better. Or harden steel. But it depends heavely on the usage. 1 Roll will show no wear but 10 will.
Why use hardened steel instead of tungsten? Tungsten is much better for nozzles...super hard and no need to change temps to account for the thermal properties of steel.
@@devilwarriors5164 I ordered 3 DiamondBack nozzles when it was running. But E3D is also a larger company too so they have the extra recourses which I will give them that.
We can't share too much detail yet, but will do so in the coming weeks - the ObXidian nozzles different in many aspects - not just pricing and rainbows (!). After literally 1000s of hours of testing we're confident you will like them. A lot.
@@E3DOnline I will probably go and get one to try. It would be interesting to know where the ObXidian nozzle stacks up to a OLSSON RUBY which DiamondBack's polycrystalline diamond nozzles stack up too.
@@colindavenport2619 Thanks Colin! We'll release the test data for you as soon as we can. Safe to say, we choose our specifications wisely, and you will approve
I bought into the hype of Nozzle X and was sorely disappointed, to me it was only marginally better than a typical hardened steel nozzle and only worked for printing CF Nylon, I tried to push PLA through it and it was nothing but disaster. I recently bought a Dyze design tungsten carbide. We'll see how that goes, I want something I can print CF Nylon today and PLA tomorrow with little to no issues. Revo will fix all my problems though, even if this is not the ultimate nozzle (looks much better than Nozzle X now that I know better), the ability to change nozzles easily will solve my issues as well.
with the hardened steel nozzles, you need to bump the temperatures up a fair bit, as the conductivity is much worse. Obxidian should resolve that, as it has the hardened steel nozzle tip, but conductive copper body.
@@DUIofPhysicsIndeed. I find it bemusing that most people don't talk about the problems with nozzle x. Winding up the temperature to compensate isn't a proper fix because in the parts the print where the flow is less the temperature ends up higher. This new nozzle should fix that, which is great.
I use a tungsten nozzle that has more thermal conductivity than copper and harder than any steel ever made. lots of effort to make something when a material already exists that beats it in every way.
@@ronnetgrazer362 well I mean reprap is still continuously improving, and like in this case I find it amazing that we have hard/slick coated nozzles when industrial ones don't necessarily. I'm not mad, I'm just slightly sad lol
Wear it out and I will personally buy you a new one, and a full range of Revo stuff out whatever you want. Just tell us how you did it, and where we can buy the filament from. This is for filaments that can be bought by normal people, like you can't make a custom run of diamond grinding powder filled filament, which will obviously grind diamond. Because that's how they cut and polish diamonds. It's going to get blocked up by crappy filament contamination in most cases long before wear. I know of very few instances of NozzleX wear, all with very abnormal use cases, like printing carbides, alumina ceramics, strange radiation shielding. All not for sale on the open market. This is somewhere between 10x and infinity better than NX on the wear front. We've gone well into the tens of kilos, with our benchmark abrasive materials. We are unable to detect any wear. I'm fairly sure we have some of, if not the best people and equipment for measuring nozzles in the world. If as much as handful of microns of nozzle or coating wore off we would have seen it. For sure. We stopped once we considered it environmentally irresponsible to keep cranking through high value plastic. You wear it, I replace it. I'll also pay the full consumed filament bill if you keep receipts and buy it responsibly as you go along, not just buy everything in sight that might possibly work. Personally. Sanjay to Eek. (As in, this isn't an E3D policy/warranty, just me being cocky on the internet.) You win, you tell us what you did, which materials in what order, which gcodes etc. Some modicum of scientific method needed. That way we can improve, or at the very least put an upper bound on the spec, because right now we can't find one.
it looks like another copy from ProtoprintuС ”three coatings? exactly like Protoprint .... first hotend and now this 😂😂😂. I wonder what the Protoprint has under patent.
Ah look more nozzles from china :D, yes they look cool but damn... when do we get real western made products? Yes I got nozzles and parts that are coming from your manufacturer and the quality is amazing... but I hoped we get western made products.
The Everlasting Gobstopper of nozzles
Like to see this coating and material matched with Bondtech CHT Geometry
my thoughts exactly
Will this ever come out (and for the Revo)? This is a make-or-break for the Revo Ecosystem. The lack of an high-flow variant and the lack of anything other than brass is killing me..
He answered your questionm around 3:30
hahaha, James Bruton pops up casually in the back :D
he looked a bit hectIC!! looking for something? ha. I bet this event was a hoot.
at 2:37
As a human being wishing for a better future companies like this deserve the attention of the consumer they are genuine and share in excellence! really nice work!
I would really love to see print comparisons between these new nozzles and other types of nozzles.
That *IS* how products should be designed; To last forever and beyond.
And then you have to throw it away because it got clogged with some inorganic particles.
I only use cheap brass nozzles. I never had to replace one because of wear. But I had to replace several nozzles because of unremovable clogs.
It's been sometime since this interview came out. When are we getting this, I've been looking forward to trying one out. Specially now that Diamondback Nozzles came out
Excited to try these nozzles!
Me too!
"They are covered in unicorns and rainbows" 😂
that's cool! i wonder how hecking expensive this is :O
this should've been a default option on those new nozzlebreaks, tho combined with the heatbreak it'd cost so much...
EDIT: Same price as nozzle x! nice :) might get one once i'm in canada!
I wonder if this is still sensitive to cold pulls/brass brushes or not. i sometimes deal with clogs and not being able to harshly pull it out is a huge deal to me.
Yeah that definitely sounds like a challenge I’ve never come across anything I can’t wear down or destroy in some way I am excited
There needs to be a standardization to move to quick change tooling for 3d printing. It would be nice if a robot would swap out a head for mass material filling and then switch nozzles for more finer/precise printing.
Sounds good, i need one in 0.4 for my MK3S+
Currently im using a Nozzle X but often my Filament sticks to the Nozzle X :( Tried some Cloths to clean but i expected more from the Nozzle X.
Maybe the ObXidian ist better for me :)
Awesome! I was just going to order a Nozzle X. Guess I’ll wait
I have 20 printers 5 got nozzle x and was going to get 15 more. I am definitely waiting
Looking forward to all this new hardware!
Unicorns and rainbows😅 Almost a year later and they are still as easy to spot as unicorns.
How does these hardened nozzles from E3D compared to the Phaetus tungsten carbide nozzle? Same coating, similar design...
How are these with PETG? PETG and copper don't get along well (the melted filament sticks badly) typically
I just bought a .4 v6 version amazing nozzle love it.
The longer they take with releasing these, the longer their Revo ecosystem is at a serious disadvantage being unable to handle anything fancier than the absolute basic materials.
At this rate i think i will invest in a competing product.
Well what ever... Off to find something else
Money for the video well spent. I now want that thing!
The Nozzle for a Volcano with these properties would be great. It the quick change noozles in this treatment would be interesting.
Well, we wait and see, if the statement is true. I'm nozzle destruction professional.
Our kinda guy.
You break it, I'll buy you a new one. Personally. Not an E3D spec (not decided how to spec it yet), but if you can wear it then I'd love to know how. Because we can't even touch it. And we've really tried
@@SanjayMortimer I'm currently running the nozzle x on the voron 2.4 and I'm impressed by the quality. I can't wait to get my hands on the new ObXidian nozzle.
Can anybody tell me why tungsten carbide nozzles aren't more popular? Seems to me like they'd be the end all solution
They are much more expensive to make compared to these with basically a ceramic/diamond coating(similar to the coatings they use for cars but high temp).
@@ic3dragons223 there're already a few out there from well known brands in the $30 range but for some reason nobody knows about them
I don't think that I will wear my Nozzle-X out any time soon but the new quick change will make me get a new set 😁👍
Try Fluorodur on it. If that doesn't destroy the hardened steel in the nozzle everyone should get one.
I wonder if the nozzles are coated with that magic lube from the 1990’s called Slick 50.
I'm interested to know how these stack-up against the Zodiac nozzles, which I'm already very impressed by.
I had a terrible experience with Zodiac, I think I'll wait this one
Stoked! Will there be preorders?
Markforged has been selling what appears to be the same nozzle, minus the E3D special sauce for years now.
Will it fit to the mosquito hotend?
when are they adding this obxidian to the revo lineup
Very cool, might replace my China ruby nozzle (which actually works pretty well). Might go full Revo will see :)
Still not available? Any updates?
Will it available for the volcano?
what a super name...there sweet them nozzles
I do wonder if theyll have that in revo form.
They answered this question. It will, eventually. They say end of the year, but companies say things so probably before the end of next year
Literally answered in the video. Yes, all nozzles types will get this.
Never wear? That is impossible, every type of coating will come off during usage. I want hard numbers not marketing slogans. Engineering is an art of balance between positive and negative properties against price and usability.
I'd say that too. We searched for that upper limit.
These aren't hard numbers, just my best recollection, but I think stats are that we are between 20-30kg and counting on our life leader. We have a measurement uncertainty of
@@SanjayMortimer dear Sanjay tnx for the very comprehensive response to my post. I like your cockiness on the internet, that is a sign of your pride and belief in the product. I'm not a "normal people" guy, I build custom CNC machines of all types. Your post is filled with hard numbers, and that is what I need.
@@SanjayMortimer Hey Sanjay, any comments on the heat transfer of this nozzle design compared to a solid brass nozzle or solid steel? Our beloved German chef Stefan saw something like a 10% decrease in flow in some conditions with a solid steel nozzle vs brass.
Looking at the outside of the design, I could imagine it being better or worse than traditional steel nozzles - less steel to transfer heat through but on the other hand an additional thermal barrier to cross (be it interference or swaging?). Knowing a bit about the E3D design philosophy, you don't tend to compromise, so it's probably safe to assume it's better or a small compromise. But, seeing that you're in the comments section, I figured I'd ask you directly.
I think it's also safe to assume that your target market for this product is not me, who is trying to get every last mm3/s of flow out of their set up. So I'm just curious more than anything.
will there be a formfactor for the Swiss MK8 type nozzles?
Probably not I'd guess. That's not an e3d product but they'll make all the sizes and types for their own products.
Ah, well, why not?
What is the release hold up?
How does this compare to diamondback?
where can i purchase this cant find it on their sight? need it in m6 thread if possible if anyone has info please let me know
everlasting gobstopper
Sounds nice 👍😊 What about sizes? Looking for 1.2/1.5/2.0 !? 🤔
It launches with 0.25/0.4/0.6/0.8
So basically it's a just a hardened nozzle with a shit coating. I'll be getting Diamondback nozzles instead.
WHERE ARE THESESSS????
yeah we have been waiting over here patiently. :/
@@mathnerd25 I NEED IT LMAO
Looks like the coating thats on Amana Spektra CNC bits.
I want this forsure
I feel like it's just a swain or a mahle type of coating often used on pistons
want one for my supervolcano.
also interested in this
Still waiting for it xD Over a year now xD
This was september last year, not quite a year yet.
@@Vector3DP haha oh yea you’re right. But it feels longer, and there was no more information since this.
Interesting! Love E3D they're so inventive and seeing Sanjay well trollied (liquid lunch perhaps?) introducing Revo kinda made my day 😊
is that a RAM records lunchbox in the background??
"on sale by the end of the year"
*9 months later still not available*
Cool.
Tungsten Disulphide coating?
Nice!
why not a titanium tip? doesn't that last longer than steel? nozzle x does wear and it was supposed to not wear. CF12 or even lots of 6 is enough to eat a nozzle x after several kg's
Information
Titan is very soft when it comes to abrasive movement. Especialy slow abrasion. It is with nickel alloyed some of the highest heat resistand metal but when you try to make a sharp knife out of it the edge will go blunt after 2 cuts trough paper.
Why? Because titan is not dense. It is leightweight.
Nonabrasiv-ity comes from a high hardness and density of the 2 materials that rub at eachother.
You can rub 2 diamons at eachother for weeks but their surface will change.
You can rub a diamond on a glass but then the hardness from the diamond will win.
Its all about balance.
A small inpressed tip made from a diamondlike material in a brass or steelbody would be a good combination. Because so the filament gets liquified and the nozzle not worn out fast.
@@fearlyenrage Poor thermals too but that also makes it pretty good for a heat break.
@@antilogism well, no because the heatbreak gets eaten away to.
Ceramic tubes are a way.
@@fearlyenrage Mine is good so far but I only run CF and not realy that often. 30% GF may give it a good working over.
@@antilogism it will be gone someday.
Titan is way to soft. Ceramic is better. Or harden steel. But it depends heavely on the usage. 1 Roll will show no wear but 10 will.
damn i just bought a few more Nozzle X's (more sizes really, they last very long)
Why use hardened steel instead of tungsten? Tungsten is much better for nozzles...super hard and no need to change temps to account for the thermal properties of steel.
This coatings never go deep inside the nozzle.
I know what rapid tool change looks like in the CNC industry and this is slower than slow in comparison.
True, but it's also doesn't cost $200K like a Haas
I am pretty sure another company beat them to it for the best nozzle and that is from DiamondBack polycrystalline diamond nozzles.
Seems like it just left kickstarter, I woudn't say it beated them yet.
@@devilwarriors5164 I ordered 3 DiamondBack nozzles when it was running. But E3D is also a larger company too so they have the extra recourses which I will give them that.
We can't share too much detail yet, but will do so in the coming weeks - the ObXidian nozzles different in many aspects - not just pricing and rainbows (!). After literally 1000s of hours of testing we're confident you will like them. A lot.
@@E3DOnline I will probably go and get one to try. It would be interesting to know where the ObXidian nozzle stacks up to a OLSSON RUBY which DiamondBack's polycrystalline diamond nozzles stack up too.
@@colindavenport2619 Thanks Colin! We'll release the test data for you as soon as we can. Safe to say, we choose our specifications wisely, and you will approve
Diamondback FTW
Hey James! Don’t pretend to be interested in stuff back there, we know you’re sponsor hunting! 😉
Nice, but nozzle price
Similar to NozzleX, as mentioned in the video.
I bought into the hype of Nozzle X and was sorely disappointed, to me it was only marginally better than a typical hardened steel nozzle and only worked for printing CF Nylon, I tried to push PLA through it and it was nothing but disaster. I recently bought a Dyze design tungsten carbide. We'll see how that goes, I want something I can print CF Nylon today and PLA tomorrow with little to no issues.
Revo will fix all my problems though, even if this is not the ultimate nozzle (looks much better than Nozzle X now that I know better), the ability to change nozzles easily will solve my issues as well.
with the hardened steel nozzles, you need to bump the temperatures up a fair bit, as the conductivity is much worse. Obxidian should resolve that, as it has the hardened steel nozzle tip, but conductive copper body.
@@DUIofPhysicsIndeed. I find it bemusing that most people don't talk about the problems with nozzle x. Winding up the temperature to compensate isn't a proper fix because in the parts the print where the flow is less the temperature ends up higher. This new nozzle should fix that, which is great.
At least this one was sober
Still waiting……
give us diamond nozzles
I'm quite annoyed at myself by now for going with a micro swiss hotend instead of e3d...
why?
James Bruton photo bombing.
So it’s sort of PDK like stuff..
I use a tungsten nozzle that has more thermal conductivity than copper and harder than any steel ever made. lots of effort to make something when a material already exists that beats it in every way.
but but but, I've just bought a nozzleX
Next step, a nozzle that doesn't plug 😜
Any chances of volcano nozzles?
As mentioned in the video, you can expect this to come out for all their products/ranges.
i literally just bought a nozzlex two days ago end me
Thanks to its planned obsolescence, you'll be able to replace it with this fine new product in no time!
@@ronnetgrazer362 well I mean reprap is still continuously improving, and like in this case I find it amazing that we have hard/slick coated nozzles when industrial ones don't necessarily. I'm not mad, I'm just slightly sad lol
Has anyone received one yet
I call BS on "never needs replacing"
Wear it out and I will personally buy you a new one, and a full range of Revo stuff out whatever you want. Just tell us how you did it, and where we can buy the filament from.
This is for filaments that can be bought by normal people, like you can't make a custom run of diamond grinding powder filled filament, which will obviously grind diamond. Because that's how they cut and polish diamonds.
It's going to get blocked up by crappy filament contamination in most cases long before wear.
I know of very few instances of NozzleX wear, all with very abnormal use cases, like printing carbides, alumina ceramics, strange radiation shielding. All not for sale on the open market.
This is somewhere between 10x and infinity better than NX on the wear front.
We've gone well into the tens of kilos, with our benchmark abrasive materials. We are unable to detect any wear. I'm fairly sure we have some of, if not the best people and equipment for measuring nozzles in the world.
If as much as handful of microns of nozzle or coating wore off we would have seen it. For sure.
We stopped once we considered it environmentally irresponsible to keep cranking through high value plastic.
You wear it, I replace it. I'll also pay the full consumed filament bill if you keep receipts and buy it responsibly as you go along, not just buy everything in sight that might possibly work.
Personally. Sanjay to Eek. (As in, this isn't an E3D policy/warranty, just me being cocky on the internet.)
You win, you tell us what you did, which materials in what order, which gcodes etc. Some modicum of scientific method needed.
That way we can improve, or at the very least put an upper bound on the spec, because right now we can't find one.
@@SanjayMortimer thanks Sanjay! I will be a customer, love your mind, keep on brotha.
it looks like another copy from ProtoprintuС ”three coatings? exactly like Protoprint .... first hotend and now this 😂😂😂. I wonder what the Protoprint has under patent.
I've tried to find online reviews of their hotends and extruders but it's been crickets.
Ah look more nozzles from china :D, yes they look cool but damn... when do we get real western made products? Yes I got nozzles and parts that are coming from your manufacturer and the quality is amazing... but I hoped we get western made products.
so in other words, never need a new nozzle
Now we just need to get E3D to make lightbulbs.
Just rememer: Don't use filament with abrasive fillers if you want to kept it alive
So you can be extra upset when the nozzle gets plugged...
Seems no better than tungsten carbide which has been out. TC is harder than steel and should never wear. I'll stick with TC.
Yeah right, reliability, my asss. Revo six is completely opposite...
fuk,, take my money......
taking too long to be released