This Western society doesn't believe in redemption: if you do something people consider wrong, you're just an evil problematic person forever. There needs to be accountability, yes, but at the same time people need to be able to move forward and not be labeled an irredeemable monster forever.
I had not heard his name before this video, but I am sorry to hear of his passing. For all the talk of mental health in modern society, I fear it's set up to leave people more vulnerable than ever. As you said, people don't have time or money which leaves them increasingly without connections that would tether them to their sense of feeling accepted and belonging and, well, human. In my experience, no amount of "self care" (which as a concept has become increasingly commercialized in recent years) can equal the impact of having even just one person in your life you know cares and will genuinely listen to you when you say you need to talk.
Unfortunately part of the point of cancellation is to make people lose contracts & jobs. The job market for artists & writers is bad and getting worse over time. So competition for gigs can turn into munera sine missione. Find a reason to cancel an artist and that can open up a job for the canceller or the canceller's friend. That's not the only motive or even the main motive for most people, but it's an under the radar motive for cancellation - and also for who gets cancelled. Note this does not generally happen in fields where labor is more scarce. Which in the current US is most fields. Sorry to hear about your sexual assault. It's appalling what stunts some people will pull if they think they can get away with it.
When i am close to losing my shidd, i am usually the one who steps back for a few days before i say stuff i might regret. But sometimes i don't hold back because i know i won't regret it and a clean cut needs to be made.
Although this was on are far more tragic and public scale, I think the psychological mechanism behind it can play out smaller and more private . Like where you have in this case a heterosexual couple where the woman has a minor spot of discontent in the relationship but pretends everything is fine and then suddenly erupts into anger. Because the "nice game" is not a sustainable way to live. As you said, it is not as if anything Ed Piskor did in the moment was heinous, nothing to deserve his tragic end. It was that plus time, plus growing unvoiced resentment. If, as a general thing, men need to take a chance on saying "ouch" and reaching out for help, then women need to get better at saying, "hey, cut it out" in the moment and taking our own chance that behaviors will actually improve. Will we face backlash, get called the dreaded "b" word both privately and in public? Sure. But the only way a behavior gets normalized is from the bottom-up. I think that kind of assertiveness is the counterintutive key to women seeing men as feeling beings instead of rage-monsters that must be soothed and placated until it is safe to take complete revenge. (OK, maybe that is hyperbolic of me but sometimes you gotta wonder...)
Stuff like this is why I have a hard time believing that left-wing authoritarianism is a thing of the past. When you juxtapose all the talk about restorative justice with the extreme retributionist approach to handling people who say or do problematic things, it's hard for me to take said rhetoric about restorative justice at face-value. Strictly speaking, the Soviet Union didn't "punish" anybody either, they either "re-educated" you or got rid of you for being an "enemy of the people." With the former supposedly being about rehabilitation and the latter supposedly being about protecting the public from a dangerous subversive. All while holding to the pretense that retribution is an archaic standard of justice not fit for the scientific revolutionary future. So tbf, I can kind of see how so many purportedly left-wing regimes ended up the way they did. It's easy to launder your retribution under therapeutic and militaristic pretenses, and the way that cancel culture always begins by framing every cancellation attempt through the rhetoric of "safety" and "emotional violence" reeks of that dynamic.
Alec Holowka and Ed Piskor situations are eerily similar. Both unfortunately ended in the same way. 2 guys accused of something that there was no substantial proof of anything happening. Both got cancelled and both ended up committing suicide. Also reminds me of the voice actor Vic Mignogna getting canceled and black balled out of the voice acting community. It was also no proof that he did anything without consent.
I never watched that guys content. There's something about western comics that people in the sphere seem so deeply miserable that out of the individuals whose content i've seen a few of the "bad guys" seem the most "human". I've seen the post and the suicide letter and i don't get the feeling that the women who went public had the desire to see him dead. And in a way the bullies and other fuck-ups, who build that shithole of a community where people think they need to kill themselves over something like this, made her a participant in the killing. As a creator myself (in my case video games) i sometimes feel that i miss out on opportunities because i'm not from the usual places where all the people with the connections are from. And then there are moments like these when i'm here, half a planet away from the kangaroo courts.
He was murdered. If you want to prevent it, stop the people who did it. They'll do it again. You know who they are. And what their ideology is. They can't stop themselves, they must be stopped.
There was no coming back. Everybody knows that. He knew it. Fantagraphics knew it..... Jim knew it.... What do you do when you lost all you ever really loved?
Of course he could've came back from this. He didn't grape or kill anyone. He could've just fought back against the sjw whisper network that ruined comics and exposed them to the rest of the world but he was too weak to do it
This Western society doesn't believe in redemption: if you do something people consider wrong, you're just an evil problematic person forever. There needs to be accountability, yes, but at the same time people need to be able to move forward and not be labeled an irredeemable monster forever.
The ones pushing Cancel Culture are zealots of a pagan religion where dissent and wrongthink must be punished severely.
They crushed his $75k deal and then harrassed his colleagues and family. They should sue.
I had not heard his name before this video, but I am sorry to hear of his passing. For all the talk of mental health in modern society, I fear it's set up to leave people more vulnerable than ever. As you said, people don't have time or money which leaves them increasingly without connections that would tether them to their sense of feeling accepted and belonging and, well, human. In my experience, no amount of "self care" (which as a concept has become increasingly commercialized in recent years) can equal the impact of having even just one person in your life you know cares and will genuinely listen to you when you say you need to talk.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope his family heals.
Unfortunately part of the point of cancellation is to make people lose contracts & jobs. The job market for artists & writers is bad and getting worse over time. So competition for gigs can turn into munera sine missione. Find a reason to cancel an artist and that can open up a job for the canceller or the canceller's friend. That's not the only motive or even the main motive for most people, but it's an under the radar motive for cancellation - and also for who gets cancelled. Note this does not generally happen in fields where labor is more scarce. Which in the current US is most fields.
Sorry to hear about your sexual assault. It's appalling what stunts some people will pull if they think they can get away with it.
When i am close to losing my shidd, i am usually the one who steps back for a few days before i say stuff i might regret.
But sometimes i don't hold back because i know i won't regret it and a clean cut needs to be made.
Although this was on are far more tragic and public scale, I think the psychological mechanism behind it can play out smaller and more private
. Like where you have in this case a heterosexual couple where the woman has a minor spot of discontent in the relationship but pretends everything is fine and then suddenly erupts into anger. Because the "nice game" is not a sustainable way to live.
As you said, it is not as if anything Ed Piskor did in the moment was heinous, nothing to deserve his tragic end. It was that plus time, plus growing unvoiced resentment.
If, as a general thing, men need to take a chance on saying "ouch" and reaching out for help, then women need to get better at saying, "hey, cut it out" in the moment and taking our own chance that behaviors will actually improve. Will we face backlash, get called the dreaded "b" word both privately and in public? Sure. But the only way a behavior gets normalized is from the bottom-up. I think that kind of assertiveness is the counterintutive key to women seeing men as feeling beings instead of rage-monsters that must be soothed and placated until it is safe to take complete revenge. (OK, maybe that is hyperbolic of me but sometimes you gotta wonder...)
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Stuff like this is why I have a hard time believing that left-wing authoritarianism is a thing of the past. When you juxtapose all the talk about restorative justice with the extreme retributionist approach to handling people who say or do problematic things, it's hard for me to take said rhetoric about restorative justice at face-value.
Strictly speaking, the Soviet Union didn't "punish" anybody either, they either "re-educated" you or got rid of you for being an "enemy of the people." With the former supposedly being about rehabilitation and the latter supposedly being about protecting the public from a dangerous subversive. All while holding to the pretense that retribution is an archaic standard of justice not fit for the scientific revolutionary future.
So tbf, I can kind of see how so many purportedly left-wing regimes ended up the way they did. It's easy to launder your retribution under therapeutic and militaristic pretenses, and the way that cancel culture always begins by framing every cancellation attempt through the rhetoric of "safety" and "emotional violence" reeks of that dynamic.
Alec Holowka and Ed Piskor situations are eerily similar. Both unfortunately ended in the same way. 2 guys accused of something that there was no substantial proof of anything happening. Both got cancelled and both ended up committing suicide. Also reminds me of the voice actor Vic Mignogna getting canceled and black balled out of the voice acting community. It was also no proof that he did anything without consent.
You are correct, he had a channel called Cartoonist Kafabbie. Your'e right.. No matter what anyone says.. you. are. right.
I never watched that guys content. There's something about western comics that people in the sphere seem so deeply miserable that out of the individuals whose content i've seen a few of the "bad guys" seem the most "human".
I've seen the post and the suicide letter and i don't get the feeling that the women who went public had the desire to see him dead. And in a way the bullies and other fuck-ups, who build that shithole of a community where people think they need to kill themselves over something like this, made her a participant in the killing.
As a creator myself (in my case video games) i sometimes feel that i miss out on opportunities because i'm not from the usual places where all the people with the connections are from. And then there are moments like these when i'm here, half a planet away from the kangaroo courts.
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He was murdered. If you want to prevent it, stop the people who did it. They'll do it again. You know who they are. And what their ideology is. They can't stop themselves, they must be stopped.
@@aaronjohnson7812The solution is to get sjws and women out of comics
There was no coming back. Everybody knows that.
He knew it.
Fantagraphics knew it.....
Jim knew it....
What do you do when you lost all you ever really loved?
Of course he could've came back from this. He didn't grape or kill anyone. He could've just fought back against the sjw whisper network that ruined comics and exposed them to the rest of the world but he was too weak to do it
@@HiddenHandMedia Calling someone weak after they killed themselves is bad form, sir.
@@Madbandit77 No it isn't.
@@HiddenHandMedia Yes it is