I would like that too, I can picture a warlock running around while inside an infernal "armour" like Iron Man pummeling things with their fists and burning enemies. However we already have a DH tank spec, and it kind of does that already.
I think it's a cool concept to not lock a playstyle to a single class or class group, but I think Blizzard is gonna oof when it comes to implementation.
probably going back to what classic wow was before they changed it in 2004. Where you can pick any skills on any class but classes still have core skills.
They took some inspiration from Ascension WoW clearly . The seasonal server with raising lvl caps as time passes on was the 1st seasonal server of Ascension ( started at lvl 10 and went up to 60 ) it was a fun way to play Vanilla .
@@aliengreen2364 Presumably you'd still be a cloth wearer and have no emphasis on melee skills. I don't imagine it being like a Death Knight at all. You'd be a completely magic based tank.
This might sound crazy but a Lvl25 cap actually makes me interested in playing the game, i'm not super hardcore but if i could enjoy leveling to 25 and then play raids at that level, i would happily pick up the new expansion
100%. People in the chat have no idea what they're talking about. This is what they've begged for. There's no point in just playing the game the exact way it is with some added zones and raids. That's stupid. Look at OSRS, the game is incredible and people are fanatically devoted to it. They didn't just add zones. They added new gear, spells/prayers and monsters. This is how you keep the game actually interesting and flavorful.
This is probably for the best. Let's face. Can the Blizz team really make a Classic+ expansion? Before anyone has faith in that, let's see what they can do with a Classic mix up twist. Baby steps.
100% this. My excitement is growing. And this is probably not even totally directed at me as I have only leveled three classes beyond lvl 25 anyway ^^. I just hope that the majority of discovery is about the world rather than the classes.
I guess blizzard realizes that they want to recapture the magic that it was Classic WoW, but probably doesn't really know how to do it in a Classic+ kind of sense. So they're gonna do a bit of reshuffling, maybe try out some new ideas, but basically give you Classic in a slightly more experimental and limited form to see how it goes. I think it's not something Classic players wanted or expected, but it does have the potential of being interesting. One thing I do wonder is, why Blizzard, in their wisdom of ripping off good ideas and passing them off as their own, don't just do an OSRS style community vote on what the people actually want? Sure maybe the players aren't the best sorce to ask sometimes, but if they present decent choices to vote on, I wouldn't mind the community choosing for themselves.
Most people seem to want some new end game content and adjustments to class balance. Even if they just adjusted class balance, I think the vast majority would be super happy with that.
@@brunch. I would argue that's what most people think about when they hear classic+. Fixing some of the shit specs in the game and add more content to play.
I find it hilarious when they first announced it people screamed "NOOOOO" when hearing about yet another "Seasonal" model in 2023 gaming. EDIT: Okay this is basically Classic + they even teased it by saying they want to keep it to feel like Classic "Plus". But I hope they reinvent classic in a new way with new story and new way to approach the story and with actually new dungeons and raids, not dungeons with raid mechanics in the same old dungeon layouts with a few extra bosses.. the new PvE content seems a bit of a letdown but the "new" and returning skills coming to classic are all sick imo.
@@Odyssey636 That was one dude. That was Bobby Kotick. He's mad. Blizzard went against his plans. Why do you think we can't have a Q and A this year? should have just released classic+
I think at the time it was obvious people just wanted classic plus, they already had cata planned and they ended up doing this season of discovery to tell people they're working on new classic content. But I thought Chris Metzen would be working on classic, that would be dope.
Legit dont understand how anyone is not excited for this. This is far more exciting then them re releasing boring ass classic . You spending month or so to get to 60 then them adding maybe a new zone or dungeon every few months or more. Like wow so fucking exciting. Instead we get brand new reimagined classes with these runes and get to experience classic in a brand new way. With them also stating that at max level once they get to 60 they are going to be adding all that shit people wanted in classic + anyway. So they give us something FAR better in a shorter time and get to enjoy and yall are crying lmao how? Shit looks amazing and you know damn well your going to be playing it
I feel its starting to look like retail with all these class role additions. The idea was just make small tweaks to some of the classes and finish off all the unfinished stuff they couldn't do 20+ years ago. How hard is it for them to understand that?
I am 100% onboard with this so far. I like the idea of tiered max levels. This is the only way it was going to go. Expansions are 5-10 levels added, they weren't going to release a 60 level "expansion" for sweatlords to power to 60 then bitch they got nothing to do lmao.
@0ihatetrolls01 real wow classic at lvl 60 with new content added? And keep going? Not something that absolutely isn't classic in anyway. And sell it as if it's classic. Blizzard did this shit on purpose lmao. They will never admit wow classic has more potential than wow at war lmfao
the first announcement was so awful, but the "what's next" section explained that it's essentially the start of a Classic+ project. Karazhan crypts even got "leaked".
I'll wait to for things to roll out, but I feel like Blizzard is doing their tried and true, "nobody wants this and this is the direction we are going"
Of course they are. And of course it's gonna suck. Blizzard has no interest in classic. It shows. Dragonflight isn't even a year old yet and the new expansion announced. Lmao they will never allow classic to get to its full potential. It will always be garbage wow at war first. Again this is not classic at all.
If blizzard wasn’t trying to cater to fans what the fuck do they gain with a lvl 25 cap. They literally can’t sell boosts if the cap is 25 because that’s like 2 days leveling tops? Like how do people genuinely think blizzard gains from making the leveling grind shorter?
I like how Blizzard have so much pride, they avoided copying Ascension wow, they actually made a totally different twist to classic. Level cap isn't that bad, good for pvp and it'll gives them time to reworking more dungeons into gaids
For me it's better because the thing stopping me from playing classic for so long has been that i heard it's gonna take me months to level. The idea that i can get in early and we're all just going to 25 seems like a great start.
They’re following the OSRS leagues formula which makes a lot of sense. They can experiment with stuff and test the waters for a full blown classic+ if they ever decide to pursue
Little unsure how I feel about this. But the more I think about it the more perfect it sounds. Everyone seems to have classic figured out down to a science. everyone knows where to go what to do and has a gameplan every play through. going through a classic WoW this time and knowing nothing sounds like fun
Literally _any_ significant changes would have accomplished this. I want you to get a shovel and dig your standards out of the pit that they've been in.
@@EmidretrauqeI want you to take your shovel and use it to dig your head out of the sand. This is the most significant change we will possibly get. Retail makes fuckall money, and the fuckall money it makes it 3x more than the fuckall money that classic makes. You won’t get a new amazing expansion. You should be happy you even get a BFD raid. Now stop whining.
@@Emidretrauqe They basically took ideas from Ascension WoW, which is popular as hell, and put them in their game. This isn't low standards, this type of playstyle is very popular and you live under a fkn rock.
@ForTheOmnissiah Hey, I liked the announcement, and am genuinely excited about this game for the first time in at least a decade. But I do not trust Blizzard at all and will always be ready for the other shoe to drop.
This sounds cool. I like the idea of low level raids on classic. Of course have to see more before we can have a good grasp on how these things will be implemented, but I look forward to checking it out.
@@Terminxmanthe level cap is 25 lmfao. There are a ton of zones that won’t even be accessed yet. If people are liking what they are doing they will be expanding more, if people hate it and don’t play then it’s not worth their time.
@@ZephraFPSDid you even watch it, the end level cap isn’t 25. They’ll be increasing the level cap. Probably because they’re rushing it out without all of the content being ready.
@@Terminxman I think this may be the start of them going into classic plus content. Like I said, we need to see more before we can know for sure. This was just a simple announcement of the start of something and I am optimistic, which I admit is foolish given modern Blizzard's track record.
yeah, and it is tbh kind of smart. I think :P. We'll see :). Well, even if it fails it is still kind of smart imo, lot of valuable lessons to be learned.
Absolutely over the moon and hyped to return to azeroth with my mayes after ten years or so of having no reason to do so. Slow content brackets without having to no life and grind gives loads of players a reason to return and relive some pvp and content at a steady rate.
This is really their first attempt at solidifying some sort of Classic+ concept… I feel like they have to make horizontal content somehow, and maybe this is their first step at implementation.
Sounds interesting to me, even though I never played wow much. I want to get into it but now if you can mix match classes between two types of classes I might be able to get into this.
Classic+ appeal was that it was a dream of things that you wish classic could have had or what it could have turned into. Its just that, a dream, like fanfiction. Also its Blizzard, the same Blizzard that you feel disappointment with. They could never understand what the real vibe of vanilla was because they are a completely different "person". All the OGs devs who had the ideas, vision and guidance who made WoW great back then, left the company years ago. You cant recreate the vibe of Mona Lisa without its original artist, Da Vinci. His son could do it but it wouldn't be the same. And Metzen is just one piece, you need the whole crew. Either way this could be a start to a new classic+.
I really dont mind them just revamping old vanilla content. I know the sweatlords are screaming because they dont have sims that show the best in slot for the new BFD raid, but thats what makes it fun, the discovery. This is all they have to do for classic+, just update abilities and class flavor, redo some of the dungeons and raids with new mechanics and new loots. Classic is just so formulaic now that it takes all the fun out of it.
For people who don't understand, this IS Classic Plus. It's not a temporary season. It's a Level Progression Server. It's designed to let us experience the FULL world of Azeroth, not just rush to 60, do some raids, and quit. The level caps will be 25, 40, 50, 60. They are adding new gear, dungeons and raids. Yes NEW, not just turning old dungeons into raids. They said they are going to turn unused content into new dungeons/raids, they mentioned Uldum by name even.
Mage Heal , Rogue Tank, Warlock Tank... yeah retail mix up where everyone can anything. That is what classic player wanted. Can they do anything right?
This is Classic+ done slowly and I'm totally fine with it. By the end, we'll have completely new raids/dungeons, class mechanics and locations just like we wanted for Classic+. Kara Crypts will be one (already teased) so that gives you all the idea you need. And it begins THIS month!
Classeless System might sound cool for solo or PVP but im not sure about raids or Dungeons ... im scared that it will destroy the Role play aspect and everyone wants to be Tank
Yes. They're taking Classic closer to retail with this. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends with retail's respec system. And more raiding = more instanced content taking people out of the open world. Every move they make is going to make Classic more like retail.
As I thinked, blizzard started to copy of many custom and mod servers from private communities. When they added the dps/support spec of evoker, it wasn't for sure a coincidence because I saw in a private server a support rol on developing.
Honestly having the level cap so low at first makes it so people like me who play casually wont be left with nothing after the first 2 days of launch. I like it.
@@LudydobryLUL Bro the only good thing WoWs gotten the past 10 years came from a remake of a version of the game that's 20 years old. Imagine thinking this studio will produce anything more than nostalgia bait.
Ive alway hoped for low level raids. The hope also being that they would make classic f2p until level 29 or 39 where those raids could provide players with twink gear and open up an extremely poppin low level pvp bracket. But that will never happen. I might try it for fun but ill never become attached to a season toon. They just will get xfered to non-era classic that I have zero interest in.
this is great. it solves the power creep of aq and naxx gear. and it adds content for all lvls and content to the world if there ever is a "fresh" server in the future
and all the nay sayers can join in after they have seen how much fun we have, and still be able to discovery new stuff along everyone when the cap is increased to... 40? 25 40 50 60 seems like logical steps every 2 month.
This is exactly what I knew classic+ was going to be when done by Blizzard, especially since Holly Longdale is at the helm. She was in charge of Everquest's progression servers and they all went about the same as you can expect WoW's to go. Each year one or two progression servers would launch with new "fun twists" on the game to get people to relevel over and over and over. After doing this for about 5 years people got tired of it and just stuck to whatever server they were on before which splintered the player base of these servers more and more to a point where all of these progression servers are ghost towns. What I was hoping for was that they would incorporate a lot of the great changes that these private servers have made, like Ascension and Turtle, and take the game in a completely new direction. While remaining true to the classic gameplay and theme. What would happen in alternate Azeroth if the dark portal never opened? Stuff like that. Seems like they might try out new ideas for end game content by the presentation, but I really hope this season of discovery turns into a permanent fixture of the future of Classic.
The reason it's capped at 25 and no ptr is because they have no idea wtf they are doing, and every increment will be based on public reaction to whatever they release. I'm not sure if that's good or bad, after all blizzard has become famous for nerfing fun.
This sounds interesting but... it's not what we were looking for. I hope classic+ is still not off the table and this Season of Discovery is just a 1 year thing. Maybe they can use this time to gather data what players like, what they don't like to be used for the real classic+ later? ok, I'm hard in copium here..
They made retail wow ascension. Not as cool as classic+ but it still a interesting. People just won't be able to race to fly through all the content to reach max level as quick as possible, which isnt really much of a bad thing for the average player
@@0ihatetrolls01 Finnish the quest lines that never got finnished, balance already existing classes, add more content to dead zones, Hyjal zone, furbolg raid, Emerald dream zone.
@@atsra659 Which just so happens to be the exact same ideas that ascension has been doing for years... Im not saying its a bad thing most of blizzards best things are stolen from different games
@@0ihatetrolls01 They haven't labeled it that way and instead called it seasonal. Now this could be a test to see if this design is liked and then they could maybe make a official classic+ or maybe even continue updating the seasonal server to add more quests and raids. But at this point im kinda coping
@@0ihatetrolls01it would do everything but this. If youre here on an Asmongold video you have the ability to go watch his breakdown and what classic+ shouldve been. Or troll harder.
I feel like theyre only doing this because even on populated servers, every group is sitting and waiting for a tank. The simple solution to this was just make pally tanks and feral tanks more viable but ahh well, ill try it out. I just hope its not dual class like Mage learns flash of light , that kills class fantasy and makes the game grey and boring
It would be interesting if they got healing in quite a different way, like a healing ward that makes it better to not just have one tank, but to spread out the threat.
@@snuffeldjuret Mage seems to me as if they're gonna combine healing and damage. I don't think just spamming that 3 sec chanelled ability is good so I think they're most likely going to either just focus on healing one tank with damage or both. I think its viable in dungeons because we only have like WC and Deadmines (And RFC for Horde I guess) unless those are not runnable. and in raids you're not solo healing so I think it has a shot of being a healer that can push some dps.
Pally tanks and feral tanks are viable now, or at least in theory they are because they’re giving them all the stuff their dogass vanilla specs were missing.
Sounds promising, as Classic+ as could realistically be hoped for. Were people hoping for High Elves and Tier 6, 7 and 8 for their Classic Era characters? At least this mixes up the levelling experience that so many people say they love and then use rested xp to skip past.
Yeah now nothing is left to the imagination, people were always gonna be disappointed because everybody had a different idea of what "classic +" was gonna be and it's expectations vs reality. I'm surprised they're doing anything at all especially something as wild as this.
its different. not sure how i feel about the new classe changes they mentioned. race/combos plus some newer raids and dunegons sprinkled 0-60 would have been what i wanted. but they decide dto copy a different wow clone not turtle wow.
I regret that I didn't mention anywhere that I would guess next season would be season of discovery (as I could have said I told you so :P). It makes sense as it leans away from increased difficulty and more towards the concept of classic+.
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Let’s be real, Classic Plus was too good to be true. Why spend money and valuable resources on Classic Plus when they can do the minimum amount of work and focus on the real cash cow
? Sounds fun to me. Classes get changed up and new raids get added. They also said a bit after this that the level cap would be raised after a bit so raids would take place at different levels.
Classic - The thing that bothers me is that there is no gameplan for long term support. It's hard for me to get invested into an MMO season where my character might not have any additional progression after the season. It kind of ruins the MMO feeling which is about continual progression.
They’re choking on their words like “oh fk cmon do we really have to do this… god damnit we won’t be able to buy Bobby his premium deluxe yacht this year”
Explain how this isn't classic+? New abilities (hopefully to balance some of the ridiculously imba stuff in Vanilla and make more classes/specs playable), new specs, and new content, including an entirely new raid. And they said that's just the beginning and the level cap will be raised. We could definitely see new dungeons and raids with *mostly* Vanilla attributes in the future.
It seems fun, the good thing is we dont have to wait long to try it and see. It is classic+ if they add all of the old stuff later on and build on that. If they just add new stuff without the old content then its not really classic, is it ?
It's not classic + because it's not progressing the quest lines that didn't get finished in classic, balance out classes, more content to dead zones. Extend the end game content, emerald dream raid, furbolg raid etc. This is just complete new nothing to do with actual classic lmao.
@@James-kv3ll That's "literally" not what this does. Your cap is level 25, meaning you're removing a large portion of the game. Classic + was about adding in _more_ content to the game. This is not the same thing.
If they can do it well, who cares? The problem is, if they just cheaply rip off other ideas. If they were able to do it well, then that is all that would matter.
so amazing when the level cap is raised and all your gear is invalidated so amazing when the season ends and your character gets dumped in a dumpster realm
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That one guy REALLY wants to play as a warlock tank
Man sounds like he won the power ball.
I would like that too, I can picture a warlock running around while inside an infernal "armour" like Iron Man pummeling things with their fists and burning enemies. However we already have a DH tank spec, and it kind of does that already.
ITS BEEN MY DREAM TO TANK AS A WARLOCK
@@MrsWolf87 was that you cheering in the crowd?
@@MrsWolf87 and for me to Tank as a Rogue since WOTLK. I ever imagine tanking woth Evasion over a longer Time
This is a bit like those private servers letting you pick skills from other classes for a custom class.
I think it's a cool concept to not lock a playstyle to a single class or class group, but I think Blizzard is gonna oof when it comes to implementation.
@@FriendlyArchpriest That's a pretty safe bet.
In WotLK a warlock in full arena and stam/res gem stack could tank ToC25. Searing Pain spam
probably going back to what classic wow was before they changed it in 2004. Where you can pick any skills on any class but classes still have core skills.
Immediately what I thought. And they are free. Lol
They took some inspiration from Ascension WoW clearly . The seasonal server with raising lvl caps as time passes on was the 1st seasonal server of Ascension ( started at lvl 10 and went up to 60 ) it was a fun way to play Vanilla .
Shame they didn't take inspiration from TurtleWoW instead.
It was fun until everyone got to the point where they made absolutely broken builds, PvP was a fucking shit show lol
@@ThatTCG They already did tho? They have tranny devs and ban people for wrongthink, what else can they take away from turtlewow?
@@roostre5254go play retail then
Ascension is entirely based on WoW and their intellectual property so it is only fitting blizzard takes back some of it for their own use. :D
Players: We want Classic +
Blizzard: We hear you! We will make lvl 25 Mage healer!
Lol
And a warlock tank
@@getwreckedLLC so a death knight
@@aliengreen2364 Presumably you'd still be a cloth wearer and have no emphasis on melee skills. I don't imagine it being like a Death Knight at all. You'd be a completely magic based tank.
A rogue healer... wow... wtf is this shit man
This might sound crazy but a Lvl25 cap actually makes me interested in playing the game, i'm not super hardcore but if i could enjoy leveling to 25 and then play raids at that level, i would happily pick up the new expansion
It’s not an expansion just pay the sub fee and you can play!
Level cap is a reason to give the once falling behind an exp boost. Keeping everyone as long as possible in the subscription loop.
100%. People in the chat have no idea what they're talking about. This is what they've begged for. There's no point in just playing the game the exact way it is with some added zones and raids. That's stupid. Look at OSRS, the game is incredible and people are fanatically devoted to it. They didn't just add zones. They added new gear, spells/prayers and monsters. This is how you keep the game actually interesting and flavorful.
This is probably for the best. Let's face. Can the Blizz team really make a Classic+ expansion? Before anyone has faith in that, let's see what they can do with a Classic mix up twist. Baby steps.
100% this. My excitement is growing. And this is probably not even totally directed at me as I have only leveled three classes beyond lvl 25 anyway ^^. I just hope that the majority of discovery is about the world rather than the classes.
Will this be an extension tô the game or Just seasonal thing than toon gets deletd ?
@@nickcage5626 chars are not deleted on seasonal servers, they are moved to era. Same with hardcore server.
I guess blizzard realizes that they want to recapture the magic that it was Classic WoW, but probably doesn't really know how to do it in a Classic+ kind of sense. So they're gonna do a bit of reshuffling, maybe try out some new ideas, but basically give you Classic in a slightly more experimental and limited form to see how it goes. I think it's not something Classic players wanted or expected, but it does have the potential of being interesting.
One thing I do wonder is, why Blizzard, in their wisdom of ripping off good ideas and passing them off as their own, don't just do an OSRS style community vote on what the people actually want? Sure maybe the players aren't the best sorce to ask sometimes, but if they present decent choices to vote on, I wouldn't mind the community choosing for themselves.
Most people seem to want some new end game content and adjustments to class balance.
Even if they just adjusted class balance, I think the vast majority would be super happy with that.
have you not seen the Internet Historian video on online polls? they're almost always a terrible idea and get rigged by the internet in some way
the first paragraph is exactly my thoughts as well.
@@brunch. I would argue that's what most people think about when they hear classic+. Fixing some of the shit specs in the game and add more content to play.
Have you ever wondered what it would be like to be a warlock tank, or a mage healer? Well with Baldur's Gate 3, you can
Mage Healer? I don't what is and isn't in Baldur's Gate 3? But did WotC finally release a Wizard Healer or is this Divine Soul Sorcerer?
Or you can just wait for season of discovery.
@@Alexandros.Mograine Nah
I find it hilarious when they first announced it people screamed "NOOOOO" when hearing about yet another "Seasonal" model in 2023 gaming.
EDIT: Okay this is basically Classic + they even teased it by saying they want to keep it to feel like Classic "Plus". But I hope they reinvent classic in a new way with new story and new way to approach the story and with actually new dungeons and raids, not dungeons with raid mechanics in the same old dungeon layouts with a few extra bosses.. the new PvE content seems a bit of a letdown but the "new" and returning skills coming to classic are all sick imo.
when i read the comments, there's a lot of people that seems to want this.@@Odyssey636
@@Odyssey636Not even cooked up shit was Doordashed from Project Ascension lol
@@Odyssey636 That was one dude. That was Bobby Kotick. He's mad. Blizzard went against his plans. Why do you think we can't have a Q and A this year? should have just released classic+
@@Odyssey636 And what is classic+ supposed to be?
@@Phantom-kf6bp imo new content new raids for vanilla. not new systems, we're kinda tired of those.
They managed to make the Classic Plus we wanted into some downgraded Ascension WoW. Amazing.
Preach
there is no way they would be ready to give us a proper classic+ yet. People expecting classic+ now were delusional.
I think at the time it was obvious people just wanted classic plus, they already had cata planned and they ended up doing this season of discovery to tell people they're working on new classic content. But I thought Chris Metzen would be working on classic, that would be dope.
@@snuffeldjuret Too much to ask from Blizzard, but reasonable from good devs.
Legit dont understand how anyone is not excited for this. This is far more exciting then them re releasing boring ass classic . You spending month or so to get to 60 then them adding maybe a new zone or dungeon every few months or more. Like wow so fucking exciting. Instead we get brand new reimagined classes with these runes and get to experience classic in a brand new way. With them also stating that at max level once they get to 60 they are going to be adding all that shit people wanted in classic + anyway. So they give us something FAR better in a shorter time and get to enjoy and yall are crying lmao how? Shit looks amazing and you know damn well your going to be playing it
I feel its starting to look like retail with all these class role additions. The idea was just make small tweaks to some of the classes and finish off all the unfinished stuff they couldn't do 20+ years ago. How hard is it for them to understand that?
I am 100% onboard with this so far. I like the idea of tiered max levels. This is the only way it was going to go. Expansions are 5-10 levels added, they weren't going to release a 60 level "expansion" for sweatlords to power to 60 then bitch they got nothing to do lmao.
Guess we got Classic -
Might be fun, let's see what it looks like
And you will leave it again. Mark my words.
What did you think classic + would be if not classic with new abilities and mechanics and raids? Pls tell me lmmao
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@0ihatetrolls01 real wow classic at lvl 60 with new content added? And keep going?
Not something that absolutely isn't classic in anyway. And sell it as if it's classic. Blizzard did this shit on purpose lmao. They will never admit wow classic has more potential than wow at war lmfao
@@sublimeqt420you can tell she believes that with all of her laughing.
"If you ever wanted to see a warlock tank and what i- WUUUUUUUUAHHHHHH"
This sounds like somewhat fun albeit very goofy. It doesn't sound like they understood the desire for a coherent living world though
they really haven't. This is just more technical fluff.
Sounds like it’s going to be absolutely busted
With these devs, wow is dead. Rest in peace my friend
A coherent living world, exactly. Youre the only person here who gets it.
And what is that actually?
the first announcement was so awful, but the "what's next" section explained that it's essentially the start of a Classic+ project. Karazhan crypts even got "leaked".
just watched it and it indeed made me even more excited :).
I'll wait to for things to roll out, but I feel like Blizzard is doing their tried and true, "nobody wants this and this is the direction we are going"
Of course they are. And of course it's gonna suck.
Blizzard has no interest in classic. It shows. Dragonflight isn't even a year old yet and the new expansion announced. Lmao they will never allow classic to get to its full potential. It will always be garbage wow at war first.
Again this is not classic at all.
the devs can't be bored with giving players what players want
that was their line to deny vanilla like 10 years ago
If blizzard wasn’t trying to cater to fans what the fuck do they gain with a lvl 25 cap. They literally can’t sell boosts if the cap is 25 because that’s like 2 days leveling tops? Like how do people genuinely think blizzard gains from making the leveling grind shorter?
They literally cut out more than half the game
Chat malding that Classic+ is not their exact headcanon of ret becoming the best dps and getting 10 ashbringers
I like how Blizzard have so much pride, they avoided copying Ascension wow, they actually made a totally different twist to classic. Level cap isn't that bad, good for pvp and it'll gives them time to reworking more dungeons into gaids
For me it's better because the thing stopping me from playing classic for so long has been that i heard it's gonna take me months to level. The idea that i can get in early and we're all just going to 25 seems like a great start.
They only avoided it by not doing it all the way. They said they might be interested in multiclass in the larger breakdown
CLASSIC MINUS
lmao literally actually. Underrated comment.
They’re following the OSRS leagues formula which makes a lot of sense. They can experiment with stuff and test the waters for a full blown classic+ if they ever decide to pursue
0:16 Nooooo LOL
This is bold af. As long as they dont fill it with microtransactions, im happy theyre trying something completely new.
They added microtransactions to everything.. why would this be different?
Turtle wow has an amazing blueprint for classic+ if they ever need solod ideas
It's different. Perhaps different isn't so bad as long as it's within the concepts of Classic.
If it makes it possible to play solo, im for it. Nothing more annoying than requiring to team up. Yeay its an mmo I know, but im not a guild guy
Little unsure how I feel about this. But the more I think about it the more perfect it sounds. Everyone seems to have classic figured out down to a science. everyone knows where to go what to do and has a gameplan every play through. going through a classic WoW this time and knowing nothing sounds like fun
Sounds to me like the first interesting thing they have done in 5 years 🎉🎉
Literally _any_ significant changes would have accomplished this.
I want you to get a shovel and dig your standards out of the pit that they've been in.
@@EmidretrauqeI want you to take your shovel and use it to dig your head out of the sand. This is the most significant change we will possibly get. Retail makes fuckall money, and the fuckall money it makes it 3x more than the fuckall money that classic makes. You won’t get a new amazing expansion. You should be happy you even get a BFD raid. Now stop whining.
@@Emidretrauqe They basically took ideas from Ascension WoW, which is popular as hell, and put them in their game. This isn't low standards, this type of playstyle is very popular and you live under a fkn rock.
@ForTheOmnissiah Hey, I liked the announcement, and am genuinely excited about this game for the first time in at least a decade. But I do not trust Blizzard at all and will always be ready for the other shoe to drop.
This sounds cool. I like the idea of low level raids on classic. Of course have to see more before we can have a good grasp on how these things will be implemented, but I look forward to checking it out.
Why because you're a dunce? There is so much potential content that was supposed to be in vanilla wow that they could have added
@@Terminxmanthe level cap is 25 lmfao. There are a ton of zones that won’t even be accessed yet. If people are liking what they are doing they will be expanding more, if people hate it and don’t play then it’s not worth their time.
@@ZephraFPSDid you even watch it, the end level cap isn’t 25. They’ll be increasing the level cap. Probably because they’re rushing it out without all of the content being ready.
@@Terminxman I think this may be the start of them going into classic plus content. Like I said, we need to see more before we can know for sure. This was just a simple announcement of the start of something and I am optimistic, which I admit is foolish given modern Blizzard's track record.
@@ZephraFPS Do you genuinely think these devs are going to be able to update this every month + the retail expansions? lol.
Imao 10 man bfd. And there will still be people who light all 4 spots at once
Players: "We want a steak."
Blizzard: "Here is your kale salad you ordered."
Ascension wow is one of the biggest private servers for a reason. Interesting that they are making it official.
was not expecting to hear NOVEMBER 30th
This is a legit interesting idea, something I thought modern corpo Blizzard was incapable of.
Guess we shall see how it plays out.
Its PC ready. A Mage can identify as a Priest and a Warrior can identify as a Warlock
It's interesting it's called season of discovery. Feels like the devs are doing discovery work on what people will like or not in a classic +
yeah, and it is tbh kind of smart. I think :P. We'll see :). Well, even if it fails it is still kind of smart imo, lot of valuable lessons to be learned.
Yeah no test server means you are the test server
Season of ASS
@@jonathannickerson3994 something you don't get very often so you should be grateful
Still huffing that copium I see 😂
She is soooooooo nervous that this would bomb
I love how there were thousands of theories on what classic+ could possibly be beforehand and this was none of them. Literally no one asked for this.
blizzard doesnt owe you anything you entittled brat
doomers are all the same
They will discover it lmao.. they most likely don't even know and are just using this to collect data on classic changes
Absolutely over the moon and hyped to return to azeroth with my mayes after ten years or so of having no reason to do so. Slow content brackets without having to no life and grind gives loads of players a reason to return and relive some pvp and content at a steady rate.
Project ascension in a nutshell
Ascension minus most of the custom content and also half the original game
This is really their first attempt at solidifying some sort of Classic+ concept…
I feel like they have to make horizontal content somehow, and maybe this is their first step at implementation.
So were getting Project Ascension but ordered on Wish?
Lol, someone said "Classic -"
Sounds interesting to me, even though I never played wow much. I want to get into it but now if you can mix match classes between two types of classes I might be able to get into this.
People will find the most OP composition and it will become meta. Then if you are not in the meta you will never be picked up to do anything in group.
I'm gonna do a melee mage if there's a way to wear plate armor.
Ascension wow is just that, just give it a look
Classic+ appeal was that it was a dream of things that you wish classic could have had or what it could have turned into. Its just that, a dream, like fanfiction. Also its Blizzard, the same Blizzard that you feel disappointment with. They could never understand what the real vibe of vanilla was because they are a completely different "person". All the OGs devs who had the ideas, vision and guidance who made WoW great back then, left the company years ago. You cant recreate the vibe of Mona Lisa without its original artist, Da Vinci. His son could do it but it wouldn't be the same. And Metzen is just one piece, you need the whole crew. Either way this could be a start to a new classic+.
Honestly sounds like a lot of fun, defiantly going to give it a go.
I really dont mind them just revamping old vanilla content. I know the sweatlords are screaming because they dont have sims that show the best in slot for the new BFD raid, but thats what makes it fun, the discovery. This is all they have to do for classic+, just update abilities and class flavor, redo some of the dungeons and raids with new mechanics and new loots. Classic is just so formulaic now that it takes all the fun out of it.
For people who don't understand, this IS Classic Plus. It's not a temporary season. It's a Level Progression Server. It's designed to let us experience the FULL world of Azeroth, not just rush to 60, do some raids, and quit. The level caps will be 25, 40, 50, 60. They are adding new gear, dungeons and raids. Yes NEW, not just turning old dungeons into raids. They said they are going to turn unused content into new dungeons/raids, they mentioned Uldum by name even.
Mage Heal , Rogue Tank, Warlock Tank... yeah retail mix up where everyone can anything. That is what classic player wanted. Can they do anything right?
This is Classic+ done slowly and I'm totally fine with it. By the end, we'll have completely new raids/dungeons, class mechanics and locations just like we wanted for Classic+. Kara Crypts will be one (already teased) so that gives you all the idea you need. And it begins THIS month!
1:11 Brain.exe has stopped working
Classeless System might sound cool for solo or PVP but im not sure about raids or Dungeons ... im scared that it will destroy the Role play aspect and everyone wants to be Tank
You mean like retail where almost every class can heal tank and dps?
Yes. They're taking Classic closer to retail with this. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends with retail's respec system.
And more raiding = more instanced content taking people out of the open world. Every move they make is going to make Classic more like retail.
As I thinked, blizzard started to copy of many custom and mod servers from private communities. When they added the dps/support spec of evoker, it wasn't for sure a coincidence because I saw in a private server a support rol on developing.
Honestly having the level cap so low at first makes it so people like me who play casually wont be left with nothing after the first 2 days of launch. I like it.
yep sounds good
🤣
0:17 did they yell "NOOOOO"? LOL
how tf do you guys remain optimistic about this sht?
I think the copium cannisters they are huffing from have large amounts of nostalgia injected into them.
@@COA5Tit's gotta be just that at this point because call of duty star wars a lot of these "franchises" only exist off of nostalgia.
how about you try it and then judge ?
@@Ludydobry You dumb if you still play Blizzard games.
@@LudydobryLUL
Bro the only good thing WoWs gotten the past 10 years came from a remake of a version of the game that's 20 years old.
Imagine thinking this studio will produce anything more than nostalgia bait.
0:21 that expression HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA was the same in my case
so when the level cap raises, that BFD raid instantly becomes dead content forever. very good decision
Good point, I’m sure no one will level an alt.
@@spencer2365 why would you if you can play as a warlock healer?
You're right. Why did they even launch original Classic in stages if MC will be dead when other raids were added?
Mc never died in vanilla there was always a point to run it
Ive alway hoped for low level raids. The hope also being that they would make classic f2p until level 29 or 39 where those raids could provide players with twink gear and open up an extremely poppin low level pvp bracket. But that will never happen. I might try it for fun but ill never become attached to a season toon. They just will get xfered to non-era classic that I have zero interest in.
Mom can we get classic +
We got classic + at home
classic +:
This is actually a good idea not gonna lie
WoW Classic Roguelike mode. I dig it.
I like it, even mort than what I expected - standard lvl 60 content slapped with some new raid and dungeon. very interesting
Alright in this new class option, I am finally going to be able to play Enhancement DPS 😂
Shaman tanking.
I see what you did there. But fr, like what Brandon said, Earth Shamans are finally here! Also a legit Witch Doctor.
@@smakajo400 played a shaman tank during classic and it was so fun.
this is great. it solves the power creep of aq and naxx gear. and it adds content for all lvls and content to the world if there ever is a "fresh" server in the future
and all the nay sayers can join in after they have seen how much fun we have, and still be able to discovery new stuff along everyone when the cap is increased to... 40? 25 40 50 60 seems like logical steps every 2 month.
Season of suck
This is exactly what I knew classic+ was going to be when done by Blizzard, especially since Holly Longdale is at the helm. She was in charge of Everquest's progression servers and they all went about the same as you can expect WoW's to go. Each year one or two progression servers would launch with new "fun twists" on the game to get people to relevel over and over and over. After doing this for about 5 years people got tired of it and just stuck to whatever server they were on before which splintered the player base of these servers more and more to a point where all of these progression servers are ghost towns.
What I was hoping for was that they would incorporate a lot of the great changes that these private servers have made, like Ascension and Turtle, and take the game in a completely new direction. While remaining true to the classic gameplay and theme. What would happen in alternate Azeroth if the dark portal never opened? Stuff like that. Seems like they might try out new ideas for end game content by the presentation, but I really hope this season of discovery turns into a permanent fixture of the future of Classic.
Blizzard: “Season-“
Audience: “NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!”
Blizzard: “-words.”
Audience: “yEeEeEaAaAaAaHhHhHhH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
The reason it's capped at 25 and no ptr is because they have no idea wtf they are doing, and every increment will be based on public reaction to whatever they release. I'm not sure if that's good or bad, after all blizzard has become famous for nerfing fun.
TBH this gives me more just retail vibes, than classic ones.
This sounds interesting but... it's not what we were looking for. I hope classic+ is still not off the table and this Season of Discovery is just a 1 year thing. Maybe they can use this time to gather data what players like, what they don't like to be used for the real classic+ later? ok, I'm hard in copium here..
is this supposed to be Classic+?
They just announced one system.
Literally just ascension WoW, but you gotta pay for it.
this sacrificial lamb of a human they put on stage is so nervous holy shit lol
They made retail wow ascension. Not as cool as classic+ but it still a interesting. People just won't be able to race to fly through all the content to reach max level as quick as possible, which isnt really much of a bad thing for the average player
It's classic plus, what would classic + do if not this ??
@@0ihatetrolls01 Finnish the quest lines that never got finnished, balance already existing classes, add more content to dead zones, Hyjal zone, furbolg raid, Emerald dream zone.
@@atsra659 Which just so happens to be the exact same ideas that ascension has been doing for years... Im not saying its a bad thing most of blizzards best things are stolen from different games
@@0ihatetrolls01 They haven't labeled it that way and instead called it seasonal.
Now this could be a test to see if this design is liked and then they could maybe make a official classic+ or maybe even continue updating the seasonal server to add more quests and raids. But at this point im kinda coping
@@0ihatetrolls01it would do everything but this. If youre here on an Asmongold video you have the ability to go watch his breakdown and what classic+ shouldve been. Or troll harder.
I feel like theyre only doing this because even on populated servers, every group is sitting and waiting for a tank. The simple solution to this was just make pally tanks and feral tanks more viable but ahh well, ill try it out. I just hope its not dual class like Mage learns flash of light , that kills class fantasy and makes the game grey and boring
It would be interesting if they got healing in quite a different way, like a healing ward that makes it better to not just have one tank, but to spread out the threat.
@@snuffeldjuret Mage seems to me as if they're gonna combine healing and damage. I don't think just spamming that 3 sec chanelled ability is good so I think they're most likely going to either just focus on healing one tank with damage or both. I think its viable in dungeons because we only have like WC and Deadmines (And RFC for Horde I guess) unless those are not runnable. and in raids you're not solo healing so I think it has a shot of being a healer that can push some dps.
Pally tanks and feral tanks are viable now, or at least in theory they are because they’re giving them all the stuff their dogass vanilla specs were missing.
Sounds promising, as Classic+ as could realistically be hoped for. Were people hoping for High Elves and Tier 6, 7 and 8 for their Classic Era characters? At least this mixes up the levelling experience that so many people say they love and then use rested xp to skip past.
Yeah now nothing is left to the imagination, people were always gonna be disappointed because everybody had a different idea of what "classic +" was gonna be and it's expectations vs reality. I'm surprised they're doing anything at all especially something as wild as this.
its different. not sure how i feel about the new classe changes they mentioned. race/combos plus some newer raids and dunegons sprinkled 0-60 would have been what i wanted. but they decide dto copy a different wow clone not turtle wow.
@@phgamer4393yeah they copied ascension the better server
I regret that I didn't mention anywhere that I would guess next season would be season of discovery (as I could have said I told you so :P). It makes sense as it leans away from increased difficulty and more towards the concept of classic+.
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Too early to hate on this guys, chill out. Let’s see what they cook, whether it turns out to be burnt spaghetti or a ratatouille flashback type meal
When everything is everything, everything is nothing.
TBH This is closer to what I wanted, not huge class changes, just enough to make shaman tanks viable, ret paladin dps viable, etc.
Let’s be real, Classic Plus was too good to be true. Why spend money and valuable resources on Classic Plus when they can do the minimum amount of work and focus on the real cash cow
i think this is actually interesting the more i listened to it
so no classic + ? this looks like classic minus
? Sounds fun to me. Classes get changed up and new raids get added. They also said a bit after this that the level cap would be raised after a bit so raids would take place at different levels.
Classless classic
This is an unimaginative joke.
Classic -
The thing that bothers me is that there is no gameplan for long term support. It's hard for me to get invested into an MMO season where my character might not have any additional progression after the season. It kind of ruins the MMO feeling which is about continual progression.
They’re choking on their words like “oh fk cmon do we really have to do this… god damnit we won’t be able to buy Bobby his premium deluxe yacht this year”
Explain how this isn't classic+? New abilities (hopefully to balance some of the ridiculously imba stuff in Vanilla and make more classes/specs playable), new specs, and new content, including an entirely new raid. And they said that's just the beginning and the level cap will be raised. We could definitely see new dungeons and raids with *mostly* Vanilla attributes in the future.
it is, its good tho dw
It seems fun, the good thing is we dont have to wait long to try it and see. It is classic+ if they add all of the old stuff later on and build on that. If they just add new stuff without the old content then its not really classic, is it ?
It's not classic + because it's not progressing the quest lines that didn't get finished in classic, balance out classes, more content to dead zones. Extend the end game content, emerald dream raid, furbolg raid etc. This is just complete new nothing to do with actual classic lmao.
so you just want class balancing with like 4 more things to do at 60? and the same crappy raids, sounds awful honestly@@sublimeqt420
@@sublimeqt420we don’t know yet. We’re starting at 25 and it’ll be raised. They could finish things. We’ll see.
"Nothing means nothing"
Is this an out of season april fools joke?
I was wondering the same ...
I was excited for it
We all were =) @@KiaStout
Lol how this even compares to diablo immortal? Try to be more original and less re tar ded next time
yeah classic+ is never happening
who woulda thunk it?
I am interested in trying it.
That being said, I would of been way more hyped if it was Classic+
Classic + is just the idea of adding new content to Classic WoW. That’s literally what this does.
@@James-kv3ll That's "literally" not what this does. Your cap is level 25, meaning you're removing a large portion of the game. Classic + was about adding in _more_ content to the game. This is not the same thing.
Classic is dead now
@@James-kv3llCope.
@@Chopstorm.no they said in the blizzcon that the cap was starting at 25 and would be raised after a bit.
Does it mean Snutz will be even more tanky??????
Epic post of the day! He’ll be unstoppable now.
So kinda what Project Ascension has been doing for years? I see that new ideas isnt Blizzs best quality.
Never has been to be honest.
Well that's why Blizzs never ban them. So they can just copy and paste
They steal idea's and make it their own. that never changed XD
Its a know fact on Ascension that blizzard people are playing there
If they can do it well, who cares? The problem is, if they just cheaply rip off other ideas. If they were able to do it well, then that is all that would matter.
Seems a bit like an open beta for an eventful true Classic+
Classic+ but actually done creatively and not just an expansion with less polygons.
@@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p At least they are trying something new. Just let them cook and judge after it's released.
@@mielipuolisiili7240 This just let them cook
Era will always be there for people to return to.
I appreciate the effort to try random stuff and see what happens
That actually sounds perfect, no 6 month grinding for classic plus, grind for a few weeks and try some new classic shit, sounds pretty fucking amazing
so amazing when the level cap is raised and all your gear is invalidated
so amazing when the season ends and your character gets dumped in a dumpster realm
@@OrchinX that's the whole point of seasons, no persistence, no one is forcing you to like it, move along, move along
@@OrchinX it was the same in retail dude, wow players have literally been playing like that for as long as the game has existed 🤣
Yeah time to make that turtle wow account then
people want classic+ blizzard ok we heard you here classic-
Big let down. They are going to remove the classic RPG element and make everyone the same like in retail?
So far it sounds like Retail 2.
Lmfao 🤡🤡🤡
Classic Minus here we go!
Oh, you!