So here's my potentially tiring Tayga Tyre review. As a couple of you have pointed out, there is a minor correction! I quoted the MSH tyres, not the MHS. The outcome is, however, the same as you can physically see how each tyre does and my recommendation about the TMHS I being best overall still stands. In fact, it actually enhances my point. Anyway, apologies for any confusion. I try to remove all mistakes, but I am a one man band sadly. Take care!
I know this is 4 years old but the mud tires you are using are the mSh 2 and 3 not the mhS 2 ands 3. The MHS does not have a tier 4 type like you described.
I like how situational everything is, like there is no META, you'll always be wise to consider changing to a different tire set every mission you go...
"Style is Everything!" ... Couldn't agree more. I pick em based on how they look, but it is good to know that excellent is better than excellent and both better than better ... I think ...
When you hear the splat but don't get feedback in the controller I believe you are at optimal performance. When a tire works perfectly you get nothing through your controller. I also you can "listen" to how well your tires are working by the sound of the friction... Call me crazy but I'd put money on it.
I've been using the MHS II's when possible just because they looked the beefiest. Also, on a completely unrelated note, a good challenge for players seeking a hard mode might be to use your trucks in stock condition (no upgrades, no tire changes, only frame addons allowed).
I can't speak for anyone else, but my experience with the TMHS1 was that they were very risky on firmer ground. When driving top-heavy trucks like the ANK or the Bandit, rolling over even a small bump would cause the tires to act like a spring; I noticed much higher suspension travel, and I was constantly fighting not to fall over even on reasonable trails. When I switched back to the UOD2, it was much more comfortable. At this point, I only use the TMHS1 on the smaller and lighter trucks, particularly those that can't equip dual tires on the drive axles.
I prefer to use the OHD I on all the available vehicles, ofers a better stability and there are 10 tyres contacting the ground instead of 6 for single tyres, and where are not available, the UOD II, even if the mud rating is 1.9 the dirt rating is 3, i didn’t got stuck once with these tyres, they are better in most situations than the MHS variants. I use then if i don’t have MSH tyres variants on a truck. If MSH are available they are my go to choice. (MHS is very different than MSH - i did not do a typo there )
@@ATribeCalledCars Hiya, have you been trying in the TwinSteer? :D No officer, this is strictly the official version of the game. No cheats/mods - that stuff doesn't interest me. See after the run, I try to show this by going to Mods on the main menu. But I hear it is getting AWD officially! That's crazy :)
This tyre thing has been doing the rounds recently but I think it’s been blown up out of all proportion. Well, anyway, I’m not gonna get pumped up about it. I have to tread carefully here but I hope this doesn’t mean you’re losing your grip? And for your information, no, I don’t share a flat on the North Circular. Great vid for an airhead by the way- keep it up, as the actress said to the Bishop Auckland garage attendant.
Awsome video 🙃 Iam gona stick whit ballons on my Tagya.. They look to good to not be used. Real nice info tho. Iam gona need to swap some tiers on a few trucks after seeing this 😅
Love the videos. Could use a second to see what the actual times were at the end of each race and then a leaderboard or something at the end. Other than that, super informative and most of your videos are pretty entertaining.
I may have to but I was worried no one would watch the footage, which defeats the testing part. Also without a proper finish line system it's not easy to be precise. But it would make a lot of sense.
At the end of the video: I got tyred. I would change the word to numerical values or to something graphical to represent the tyre capabilities. And I would add the snow/ice properties to the non-chained tyres.
Ive actually figured out the naming system for the tires of snow runner 1st letter (or 4th away from last if its vehicle specific): Vehicle name (example being TMHS, with the T being Tayga, as in Tayga 6456) 1.5th letter (often the actaul 1st letter): Tire type (H for highway, A for All, O for Offroad, M for mud, with the exception of chains) 2nd letter: truck/tire weight class (M as in OMD is medium, H in MHS is for Heavy, etc) 3rd letter: single or dual, S meaning Single, and D meaning dual. So as a name example, MHS I roughly means Mud Heavy Single I, OMD I means Offroad Medium Dual I, Etc This fact wont rlly help with choosing tires, but its fun to know nonetheless.
Hey, great video but there was a slight error. You looked at the wrong tire for the MHS II slot. You read the MSH II (Which is for the super heavies like the big CAT and ASOV Antarctic). The MHS II tire is identical in stats (numbers wise) to the TMHS I. Other than that, it was very informative. Thank you.
Did you see the file i reffered too on your announcement of this vid? Tables taken straight from the gamefiles... It lists modifiers for all tyres on all terrains. They back up your findings quite well mostly.
I go for the chains whenever possible. They work well enough in mud and are good if you join a online game and the host is in Alaska. Plus mud tires seem to slip on harder surfaces. Like if you tried to brush your wheels against a rock to get extra traction mud tires just treats the rock like ice and slips off. Meanwhile chains will grip better. I go for what's best in all conditions, not just what's best in 1 condition. And overall I'd rather run chains then mud tires.
@@ATribeCalledCars Like I said I go for the overall picture. I don't want to have to use offroad tires in Michigan (since it's mostly road and dirt trails), then have to switch to chains for Alaska, then have to switch to muds for Russia. I mean if people want to do that, go for it. But I like just setting up my trucks 1 way, so that they will do me no matter what conditions I'm in. And overall, chains do that for me. Average road rating, Excellent offroad rating, Good mud rating and Excellent ice rating. I find they are just the best all-purpose tires. Like I used the Tayga, and even the Twin-Steer in Russia when I was doing my single player play through. Always used chained and never had any serious issues. Yea a pure mud tire might be slightly faster in mud, but the difference between mud and chain isn't drastic. Chains certainly perform much closer to a mud tire then they do a highway tire. Overall the difference between the two is kinda negligible. I'm not saying a difference isn't there, but mud tires doesn't feel to me like they give a big enough difference that I feel I'm required to have them. The differences is pretty small, chained has always gotten me anywhere I need to go be it mud, snow, whatever. And seeing I'm the type of guy that doesn't want to be changing gear all the time and am looking for the best all-around solution. I find chains does that for me.
cozy AF ending viddy there. Hmm.... been dumping hours into SR. You need the transmission mod. I found the Taygas 1st gear ratio to be infuriating, during climbs or big slow downs. It has to literally come to a complete stop to reengage 1st. Its just goofy ai. give it a go. I think youll really enjoy it.
Thank you for the video. I'm on my mobile and I cant seem to find the link in the description that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. The chart with tire grip values.
A Tribe Called Cars I’ve found that if a tire looks good in mud it probably is. I do sometimes check with the chart thing to make sure tho. Also you forgot to put the link to the chart in the description.
katherine curtis I don’t I think it’s so much the tires but the amount of tires on the Tuz 420 and also they are thin and the weight of the tuz sinks the tires into the mud but they are still better than average mud tires. I think that’s what makes tatran almost unstoppable
Hi, I'm from Russia, I understand almost everything that you say (but sometimes I use subtitles with RUclips translation) Tell Ben, what kind of tracks (music) did you use in the video? I did not find anywhere in the comments and description. Maybe I was looking badly. thank
Hey from England! I don't put links to the music in because of space, but I am always happy to answer because music is awesome. First track is Carpet - Dylan Sitts. A Nostalgic Journey - Sinfonietta Cinematica. Timely - A P O L L O. You Break Down - Czar Donic. Too Rough around the Edges (Instrumental Version) - Snake City. Candy Floss - Push N' Glide.
i don't know what's gone on there then. I'm generally not good at identifying accents clearly haha. yeah i really like it here. half an hour on train and your in manchester or a 20 minute car journey and your in the beautiful hills.
The MHS II tire has a 2.4 mud rating, not a 3.2. And the MHS III has a 2 rating. The tires you referenced are the MSH II and III. Those are not available on regular trucks. They're only available to the caterpillar 745c and the Azov 42-20 antartic trucks as far as i know. So your video has a fairly big mistake in it mate. Otherwise, interesting stuff.
A Tribe Called Cars i didnt mean for you to look it up for me i meant like WTF is that 😂 in a funny way but i do like the normal intro anyway so thanks
Like real life. If you use fat tires make sure you have the horses to turn out the mud. If not. You use pizza cutter tires, they cut through the mud, not push it. Built two Jeeps from ground up in my back yard. Thinner is better.
On xbox the thms tires they do nothing but eat fuel ! There fucking shit . No speed , almost can't climb a hill shifting 10times on a hill ....otherwise great vid about the diffrence . Helped me allot tbh
Hmm i will check into that ! But i had the stock gear and everything . So changed it to offroad and it was much better tbh . But will deff check into the highway one . Like i kinda new it had to be gears . Cause going up a little hill with hauling some stuff he was changing to gear 2 then 1 then 2 then 1 hahaha made me stand more still then going up
You call it the tayga king yet its a Russian truck.. Wouldn't Tsar work better for a nickname? I kinda started naming my royal BM17 the royal king... I know I know, it doesn't sound good, keep those tomatoes down!
So here's my potentially tiring Tayga Tyre review. As a couple of you have pointed out, there is a minor correction! I quoted the MSH tyres, not the MHS. The outcome is, however, the same as you can physically see how each tyre does and my recommendation about the TMHS I being best overall still stands. In fact, it actually enhances my point. Anyway, apologies for any confusion. I try to remove all mistakes, but I am a one man band sadly. Take care!
I know this is 4 years old but the mud tires you are using are the mSh 2 and 3 not the mhS 2 ands 3. The MHS does not have a tier 4 type like you described.
I like how situational everything is, like there is no META, you'll always be wise to consider changing to a different tire set every mission you go...
Exactly that, it's generally a decent sandbox experience. It's boring when there's a clear best.
Damn finally someone who can tell us the difference between excellent mud tires vs excellent mud tires. Thank you for the content sir.
I'm glad you found it 'excellent'.
Great information and entertainment. We appreciate all the time you put into these videos. Keep up the great work! Howdy from America!
Cheers Alton.
"Style is Everything!" ... Couldn't agree more. I pick em based on how they look, but it is good to know that excellent is better than excellent and both better than better ... I think ...
Your videos are such a joy to watch. i wish you millions of subscribers
Cheers Jeremy! Appreciate it.
I like the Azov 64131 is my favourite truck that gets threw all mud
All this self isolation got my belly looking like a mud tire am I right fellas
Haha sadly yes.
Guess you had time to work out then but did not. I did not either...
In actual fact I did a lot of cycling to counteract all the cake.
When you hear the splat but don't get feedback in the controller I believe you are at optimal performance. When a tire works perfectly you get nothing through your controller. I also you can "listen" to how well your tires are working by the sound of the friction...
Call me crazy but I'd put money on it.
I've been using the MHS II's when possible just because they looked the beefiest. Also, on a completely unrelated note, a good challenge for players seeking a hard mode might be to use your trucks in stock condition (no upgrades, no tire changes, only frame addons allowed).
I've never really considered the stock truck thing.
Do you enjoy torturing yourself?
1:34 When your too busy filming/vlogging your road trip
Haha yes it's hard driving in this view.
Great vid. Never would've thought of this. Keep em comin buddy!!
Keep the good work bud, loving the videos. Probably helping me out in the game 👍
Cheers my dears. Glad I can help.
Every time I stop playing snow runner when I get back to it I go to this video to re-equate my self to the mud tires
I can't speak for anyone else, but my experience with the TMHS1 was that they were very risky on firmer ground. When driving top-heavy trucks like the ANK or the Bandit, rolling over even a small bump would cause the tires to act like a spring; I noticed much higher suspension travel, and I was constantly fighting not to fall over even on reasonable trails. When I switched back to the UOD2, it was much more comfortable. At this point, I only use the TMHS1 on the smaller and lighter trucks, particularly those that can't equip dual tires on the drive axles.
In the jungel, the quiet jungel, the 6436 (or whatever the number is) tayger sleeps tonight!
I prefer to use the OHD I on all the available vehicles, ofers a better stability and there are 10 tyres contacting the ground instead of 6 for single tyres, and where are not available, the UOD II, even if the mud rating is 1.9 the dirt rating is 3, i didn’t got stuck once with these tyres, they are better in most situations than the MHS variants. I use then if i don’t have MSH tyres variants on a truck. If MSH are available they are my go to choice. (MHS is very different than MSH - i did not do a typo there )
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Nice investigation mate. I did a bunch of this type of thing and am always looking at that legendary tyre chart xD
What platform do you play on?
@@ATribeCalledCars Hey I'm on PC (mustard race).
Does your TwinSteer run include the AWD mod?
@@ATribeCalledCars Hiya, have you been trying in the TwinSteer? :D
No officer, this is strictly the official version of the game. No cheats/mods - that stuff doesn't interest me. See after the run, I try to show this by going to Mods on the main menu.
But I hear it is getting AWD officially! That's crazy :)
This tyre thing has been doing the rounds recently but I think it’s been blown up out of all proportion. Well, anyway, I’m not gonna get pumped up about it. I have to tread carefully here but I hope this doesn’t mean you’re losing your grip? And for your information, no, I don’t share a flat on the North Circular. Great vid for an airhead by the way- keep it up, as the actress said to the Bishop Auckland garage attendant.
I enjoyed reading that, really punctured my day with a few laughs.
Last test, right hand frame, "never gonna recover front this..."
On the car at the end, you win. I have that a lot of thought and got it down to a number of possibles but would need a little more. I admit I am beat.
Mitsubishi Evo X FQ-400. It's a difficult challenge!
@@ATribeCalledCars thanks dude.
fun fact: Ben doesnt even complete the easiest contract the FARMING TOOLS
Nice vid i always use the biggest mud tire and it usually works
As did I, I wanted to confirm and it seems to be a sensible idea.
Style IS everything 😃
What do the kids say? Put that on a shirt!
Do a Video about the ZIKZ 5368 it is such a fun little speedy truck. It is my go to scout vehicle.
Awesome!
Cheers James.
Cheers Ben/@@ATribeCalledCars
Good info. I'm missing a final comparison of fhe times reached, though. 😬
I tend to avoid it so people don't just skip to the end and don't listen to my logic. But it would be good.
Very nice 👍🏻
Thanks Sam.
Awsome video 🙃 Iam gona stick whit ballons on my Tagya.. They look to good to not be used. Real nice info tho. Iam gona need to swap some tiers on a few trucks after seeing this 😅
Love the videos. Could use a second to see what the actual times were at the end of each race and then a leaderboard or something at the end. Other than that, super informative and most of your videos are pretty entertaining.
I may have to but I was worried no one would watch the footage, which defeats the testing part. Also without a proper finish line system it's not easy to be precise. But it would make a lot of sense.
Loved the cargo scattered up in the air.
It's part of the scenery now.
At the end of the video: I got tyred.
I would change the word to numerical values or to something graphical to represent the tyre capabilities. And I would add the snow/ice properties to the non-chained tyres.
What can I say, I tired my best.
I digged through the files, turned out the snow/ice properties is just "IsIgnoreIce=true/false"
@@ATribeCalledCars It is sad. I got a PUNcture :D Fine, fine no more of this.
Ive actually figured out the naming system for the tires of snow runner
1st letter (or 4th away from last if its vehicle specific): Vehicle name (example being TMHS, with the T being Tayga, as in Tayga 6456)
1.5th letter (often the actaul 1st letter): Tire type (H for highway, A for All, O for Offroad, M for mud, with the exception of chains)
2nd letter: truck/tire weight class (M as in OMD is medium, H in MHS is for Heavy, etc)
3rd letter: single or dual, S meaning Single, and D meaning dual.
So as a name example, MHS I roughly means Mud Heavy Single I, OMD I means Offroad Medium Dual I, Etc
This fact wont rlly help with choosing tires, but its fun to know nonetheless.
Hey, great video but there was a slight error. You looked at the wrong tire for the MHS II slot. You read the MSH II (Which is for the super heavies like the big CAT and ASOV Antarctic). The MHS II tire is identical in stats (numbers wise) to the TMHS I.
Other than that, it was very informative. Thank you.
Yeah I put the wrong figures in for those but the findings stand true.
@@ATribeCalledCars That they do. All in all great video. Thank you for it.
Did you see the file i reffered too on your announcement of this vid? Tables taken straight from the gamefiles...
It lists modifiers for all tyres on all terrains. They back up your findings quite well mostly.
The tyre chart? That's what numbers I added in at the top.
Aha, how did i overlook that? My bad. Hope it helps other aswell.
i have a question? would mud dulies be better than single tires
I tried to ignore the floating crate at the top right - I've failed.... ^_^
I go for the chains whenever possible. They work well enough in mud and are good if you join a online game and the host is in Alaska.
Plus mud tires seem to slip on harder surfaces. Like if you tried to brush your wheels against a rock to get extra traction mud tires just treats the rock like ice and slips off. Meanwhile chains will grip better.
I go for what's best in all conditions, not just what's best in 1 condition. And overall I'd rather run chains then mud tires.
Chains definitely have their place as they seem to bite on some surfaces.
Chains go on the All Terrain tires. Just take a good look at them.
@@ATribeCalledCars Like I said I go for the overall picture. I don't want to have to use offroad tires in Michigan (since it's mostly road and dirt trails), then have to switch to chains for Alaska, then have to switch to muds for Russia.
I mean if people want to do that, go for it. But I like just setting up my trucks 1 way, so that they will do me no matter what conditions I'm in.
And overall, chains do that for me. Average road rating, Excellent offroad rating, Good mud rating and Excellent ice rating. I find they are just the best all-purpose tires.
Like I used the Tayga, and even the Twin-Steer in Russia when I was doing my single player play through. Always used chained and never had any serious issues.
Yea a pure mud tire might be slightly faster in mud, but the difference between mud and chain isn't drastic. Chains certainly perform much closer to a mud tire then they do a highway tire.
Overall the difference between the two is kinda negligible. I'm not saying a difference isn't there, but mud tires doesn't feel to me like they give a big enough difference that I feel I'm required to have them.
The differences is pretty small, chained has always gotten me anywhere I need to go be it mud, snow, whatever. And seeing I'm the type of guy that doesn't want to be changing gear all the time and am looking for the best all-around solution.
I find chains does that for me.
cozy AF ending viddy there. Hmm.... been dumping hours into SR. You need the transmission mod. I found the Taygas 1st gear ratio to be infuriating, during climbs or big slow downs. It has to literally come to a complete stop to reengage 1st. Its just goofy ai. give it a go. I think youll really enjoy it.
Cheers Cameron, I'm keen to try out mods.
I mean realistically chained tires would be stupid op in mud, snow, or anything deep and mucky
Thank you for the video. I'm on my mobile and I cant seem to find the link in the description that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. The chart with tire grip values.
Ahh forgot to add, two seconds.
@@ATribeCalledCars Whoopsie, haha great vid
This game could be called SLOWrunner))
SlowWalker.
P16 tires are really good.
Yeah, the heavy truck mud tyres are next level.
A Tribe Called Cars I’ve found that if a tire looks good in mud it probably is. I do sometimes check with the chart thing to make sure tho. Also you forgot to put the link to the chart in the description.
Thing Boy same for the tatarin tires
katherine curtis I don’t I think it’s so much the tires but the amount of tires on the Tuz 420 and also they are thin and the weight of the tuz sinks the tires into the mud but they are still better than average mud tires. I think that’s what makes tatran almost unstoppable
Tyre chart added now. Enjoy!
*Kolob mud tyre flashbacks*
( Mud, Mud, Mud, or Mud )
Don't forget mud.
Any word on any updates coming?
Nope, I have a feeling we may hear something next week though.
When Your Mom takes Your Pizza Roles, -_-
Hi, I'm from Russia, I understand almost everything that you say (but sometimes I use subtitles with RUclips translation) Tell Ben, what kind of tracks (music) did you use in the video? I did not find anywhere in the comments and description. Maybe I was looking badly. thank
Hey from England! I don't put links to the music in because of space, but I am always happy to answer because music is awesome. First track is Carpet - Dylan Sitts. A Nostalgic Journey - Sinfonietta Cinematica. Timely - A P O L L O. You Break Down - Czar Donic. Too Rough around the Edges (Instrumental Version) - Snake City. Candy Floss - Push N' Glide.
Do we know a console mods release date?
Still no but I have a feeling maybe this week. I'll make a video as soon as I hear.
Which is better for the Hummer H2 the regular H2 tires or mud tires
H2 seem best unless you need extra ground clearance or crossing deep water.
hey man. what part of our island are you on? i feel like you're probably similar to me due to accent and your sense of humour 😂
London, you? I'm not from here originally though.
that is a surprise as you don't sound southern at all. I'm a lot more northern than you. way up near the peak district in cheshire! lol
Pretty part of the world! I'm from the South West originally, I should have a very different accent.
i don't know what's gone on there then. I'm generally not good at identifying accents clearly haha. yeah i really like it here. half an hour on train and your in manchester or a 20 minute car journey and your in the beautiful hills.
You called the TMHS the balloon tyres 😂
It's the perfect description.
Thanks to the not so secret discord server 😅
7:46 probably a mitsubishi lancer evo x.
Nailed it.
Does no-one notice that at 5:21 there is floating cargo
It's there from a really old video on the channel...
Day 2 of asking for an azov 42-20 Antarctic video plssssss
It's coming, just not sure when. Soon!
What annoys me is that I can't sell tyres. It's like a waste of 5k $ when u upgrade from all terrain to mud
Actually, you can. You should install upgrade tyres and then it's possible to sell any other.
@@Игорь-т5у3д no I tried. But I'll check again. Thanks
You can, but only if they aren't equipped.
Hi man
so we can say, the most expensive tire is the fastest?
The MHS II tire has a 2.4 mud rating, not a 3.2. And the MHS III has a 2 rating. The tires you referenced are the MSH II and III. Those are not available on regular trucks. They're only available to the caterpillar 745c and the Azov 42-20 antartic trucks as far as i know. So your video has a fairly big mistake in it mate. Otherwise, interesting stuff.
Yeah I mentioned that to someone else, but it doesn't affect the results at all.
Why does everyone go for the tayga tire and not tatarin tires when using emil/other mods also WHAT IS THAT INTRO SONG
The obnoxiously loud Hallelujah or the actual intro song?
A Tribe Called Cars the actual intro song
I'll look it up tomorrow for you.
@@katherinecurtis1747 Carpet - Dylan Sitts :)
A Tribe Called Cars i didnt mean for you to look it up for me i meant like WTF is that 😂 in a funny way but i do like the normal intro anyway so thanks
There's Dirt in this Mud mate!
Probably the best thing I've said in years.
Why can’t I get mud tires on any of my trucks. Soo dumb
Mhs 2 have 2.4 and Mhs 3 have 2 in mud rating 🤔 so the same as the tmhs
Yeah I corrected something already correct at the final edit, you're right. See the pinned comment :)
Like real life. If you use fat tires make sure you have the horses to turn out the mud. If not. You use pizza cutter tires, they cut through the mud, not push it. Built two Jeeps from ground up in my back yard. Thinner is better.
Hello
Howdy
Tire
Is the American spelling.
Second
Third
On xbox the thms tires they do nothing but eat fuel ! There fucking shit . No speed , almost can't climb a hill shifting 10times on a hill ....otherwise great vid about the diffrence . Helped me allot tbh
Try fitting the Highway gearbox, you'll get more performance. The offroad box is not the best for this truck.
Hmm i will check into that ! But i had the stock gear and everything . So changed it to offroad and it was much better tbh . But will deff check into the highway one . Like i kinda new it had to be gears . Cause going up a little hill with hauling some stuff he was changing to gear 2 then 1 then 2 then 1 hahaha made me stand more still then going up
I’m not trying to be mean but it spelt tire I don’t know if that’s how you spell it in the UK but I’m just telling you
It's tyre in English.
A Tribe Called Cars huh I didn’t think that because when I talk into my microphone it says tire but huh
@@2005cms American spelling is with an I.
Nice Intro, but you are not god, at least not now
Haha I just want to be reincarnated as an eagle, to be honest.
I know it's a 3-year old video, but for the fuck's sake why are you using only 2 variants of the 3?? Ignoring the best, lol.
I do not remember, probably because it is three years old lol.
*ahaha goofy comment*
You call it the tayga king yet its a Russian truck.. Wouldn't Tsar work better for a nickname? I kinda started naming my royal BM17 the royal king... I know I know, it doesn't sound good, keep those tomatoes down!
It’s a play on “Tiger King”.
@@ChrisJohnson-tf7up is tiger King a reference to a movie or something similar?
@@effisjens1776 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_King
It's a popular documentary on Netflix. I make jokes about it in my Tayga video on the channel. (All are linked in the description.)
Tayga is cheater-vehicle. That’s all I can tell about it
SnowRunner is a lot easier with it, although it's more tippy than some trucks.
A Tribe Called Cars but it is small)
Your review's flawed. If you just sit there spinning the tits off the tyres, then non of them will work, no matter how much grip they supposedly have.
But the point is if they all spin but others move faster then you can equate that to more grip. Plus this is an old video.