High-Ranking Leader Leaves Mormon Church: The Second Anointing w Hans & Birgitta Mattsson | Ep. 1919
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- As part of our mini-series on Mormonism's Second Anointing Ritual, we are re-releasing part of Hans and Birgitta's original interview discussing their participation in this exclusive ceremony. Hans H. Mattsson is a 3rd generation LDS church member from Sweden who served as a bishop and stake president in Sweden before serving in the LDS church 3rd Quorum of the Seventy from 2000-2005 in the Europe Central area under LDS Apostle L. Tom Perry.
After discovering troubling information about the Church's history and truth claims, the Mattssons, along with many Swedish saints wanted answers, leading up to the Church's infamously poor attempt to keep them in the fold, now known as "the Swedish Rescue."
Show Notes: www.mormonstor...
00:05:44 The “failed” Swedish rescue
00:08:55 Summary of the Second Anointing
00:10:23 How were they recommended into the Second Anointing?
00:15:41 What happened that day?
00:16:35 Only two of the Twelve had had it, and introduced it again
00:20:18 Reading Tom Phillips memories on the Second Anointing
00:22:13 Elder McConkie on the Second Anointing
00:24:50 Brigitta gave him a blessing
00:27:50 She doesn’t recall if her feet were washed
00:30:53 Why is this a secret?
00:33:28 This is not the God who I think is God
00:35:05 The Second Anointing engenders loyalty
Truth Seeking with Hans & Birgitta Mattsson:
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Part 2: • Truth Seeking with Han...
Remembering the Swedish Rescue:
Part 1: • Remembering the Swedis...
Part 2: • Remembering the Swedis...
Part 3: • Remembering the Swedis...
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The issue we had with finding out about the 2nd anointing is because it’s secret (not sacred) and because someone other than our supposed ultimate Judge (Jesus) gets to “nominate” someone they feel is worthy.
Hindsight… it’s a big ol crock a crap!
Ohhh I never thought of that little aspect before- that someone else gets to nominate who they think gets it, they get to ultimately judge us. Hmmmmm I wonder if the push back would be that if they have their calling and election made sure they are worthy to be the judge of others. This is disturbing.
The fact that the Second Anointing is an MLM-style referral scheme, distributed to friends, family, and wealthy members connected to top ranking General Authorities, instead of being bestowed upon faithful members through revelation from the Lord who is NOT a respecter of persons, is a major red flag. To think the likes of sex-pest and con-artist, Tim Ballard, would be given the Second Anointing by Elder Ballard because of his political/social/financial influence, and not due to any actual worthiness makes a mockery of the entire religion.
LOL a man knows the other better than Jesus.😅
@@El-Burro-Grandethat's a good way to State it it reminds me of when I was a child and raised Roman Catholic and priests would convey that we were better than the Protestant kids we played with. And ended up leaving in the charismatic movement. That's where I learned a lot about the love of God and the plan of Salvation and that if someone tries to coerce you into giving tons of money . Run for the Hills!
@@El-Burro-GrandeI agree with your assessment. The last line, though, makes me feel as if it makes a mockery of the members. This thing is like another bizarre award for sending the most £€$.
Growing up, it was obvious that for the wealthy the skids were greased for certain people. MLM is too kind of a term.
What a sweet and pure man is Hans Mattsson. He can’t necessarily put it into words but he knows evil when he sees it. Same to be said for his wife, Birgitta. Great show John.
This is super important. I hope to see Tom Phillips back on MSP. He’s an incredibly brave guy to be willing to talk about these things. So important.
After watching this I went down a rabbit hole about the Swedish Rescue. I found the audio of the actual meeting. The leaders did nothing but obfuscate, duck questions and basically provide useless "answers." I can see why those people left the church. Those two "leaders" dug their own graves--and one for the church as well.
The LDS ceremonies remind me of when we were kids and made up a club with its own rules like the Little Rascals.
Worse. It's very cultish. Holy underwear, Mormon secret ceremonies, baptising for dead people, being with your family for time and eternity(count me out).
😂😂
He-Man Woman Hater's Club
@@annepeterson3822He-man Woman Haters Club AKA The Mormon Church
@@nancysteen9111 That just made my day . Well said, I’m still laughing! Thank you for making me laugh today!
I joined the church in the mid 1970s far away from Utah. The members in my area were greatly influenced by McConkie; Mormon Doctrine was like scripture. I remember learning about the second anointing from the members, although they didn’t give it a name. They taught us that if your calling and election was made sure you were at the point that you would no longer have any desire to sin; that’s why you had this guarantee. They made it sound less like a privilege that you received, but a recognition of your spiritual growth. It’s only now that I realise that at least a few of them must have received their second anointing.
The Mormon magic spell
Wow. Him saying that the women are the heros?? I've NEVER heard anyone say anything near that before. What an amazing man.
It is interesting to think about the curse given to Eve in the Garden of Eden. God says that Adam will rule over her. If that is a curse what does it really say about the status of women in the heavenly realms.
@stilllearning885 I decided a long time ago that I Def don't want to go to the celestial kingdom. So my eternity will be controlled by men?
@@hnikkig4811 It won't be. Read Proverbs 1-9 and it tells you who the tree of life is, who wisdom is, who charity is. She and Our Father in Heaven will rule in righteousness. She is the Spirit of the Lord. She is most precious above all. In the celestial world she and her daughters are most precious. It is a curse that men rule in this fallen world. We live in a fallen world. Read Moroni 7:44-48. It describes Her and what we have to look forward to.
@@hnikkig4811 my favorite scripture of all is Mosiah 8: 20-21 in describing the blindness of men.
for they will not seek wisdom, neither do they desire that "she" should rule over them!
@@hnikkig4811 read Proverbs 1-8 it will describe to you this Wisdom spoken of. She is a tree of life to those who seek Her. She is the Tree of Life spoken of in 1 Nephi 11. She is also the fountain of living waters. She is also Charity in Moroni 7. She is most precious above all. She is the excellent voice to those elected and called. She is our Mother and Her attributes described in Moroni 7 are well worth seeking after.
It was so beautiful how we talked about feeling after his wife gave him a blessing 😭🥰
It seems as though the purpose of this second anointing backfired. Instead of keeping them loyal to the Church, it is now one of their strangest memories about the Church. If anything, the second anointing helps keep them away from the Church, now.
What's weird about the second anointing?
@@romme4204Oh I don’t know, perhaps completely doing away with the entire purpose and need for Jesus Christs finished work on the cross?????
@@jakepayne8522 lmao what? how does it remove the need for the atonement
@@romme4204 because it literally tells people that their “spot in the celestial kingdom” is secured forever, bypassing Gods Judgement
It tells members that they’re 100% going to the highest degree of heaven according to Mormons where Mormons become their own gods ruling over their own worlds.
Instead of what the Bible says, which is, we can never enter heaven based on our own merit or righteousness, but only by trusting fully in Christs finished work on the cross to atone fully for our sinful lives in order to be saved from Gods judgement and wrath for our sin.
@@romme4204EVERYTHING !!!!
"YOU GET A PLANET!!"
"AND....YOU GET A PLANET!!!!"
"AND............YOU GET A PLANET!!!!!!!!!"
😂😂😂but only if you are picked by a general authority lol
And if you're a woman, you get to BE PREGNANT FOR ALL ETERNITY! Woohoo...not.
Lmao! Genuinely, this is the first time I've laughed out loud all day.
@@wednesdaymacthat would be a nightmare!
LOL
For the sake if transparency, the Mormon church should disclose how many hundred thousand dollars exactly it costs to become the „god of your own planet“.
Also how much it costs to have God grant you the right to commit any sins you please (except murder) without repercussions. 😂🤣😆
I’ts bang on like Scientology and the “Upper OT Levels”. It’s secret, you can’t tell anyone etc, it’s the same sctick. All these cults have elitism and I do think it’s supposed to make you feel special and bind you further to them.
Had the same thought. It’s gamifying religion to extend their engagement like Candy Crush or PlayStation and keep you chasing.
@@christinahekreligion has been gamified throughout history
2nd Anointing is the ultimate in elitism.
@@BeauMcCraneyyou’re delusional if you think the second anointing is something available to the general membership.
Amen!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@@BeauMcCraney😊😅😅😅😅
@@BeauMcCraney
So…have you received your second anointing?
@BeauMcCraney The true and living God of the Bible offers forgiveness of sins, salvation, eternal life, and exaltation for free if you are interested. That is how much God loves! ❤️
Hard and troubling to know whether LDS leaders are convicted on their beliefs or whether the game reached a pinnacle beyond their expectations and are afraid to come out now. My in laws are poor but they give whatever they have in tithing,the church comes first for them and they sacrifice everything for their conviction.
I think most of them are convicted that it’s true.
But that doesn’t make it true.
@@bmo5082 I agree,but when the world is screaming out at their fallacies and well educated members are leaving,religious scholars who disprove their belief/story, how can they carry on with a smile on their face?
@@baldeagle-cq2jl I suppose it’s a very long and deep filter that gets that type of person into that position. Many would have left along the way, but by the time you’re in your 70s, if you haven’t left by then, you’re likely not going to leave.
On top of that, I don’t think they are exposed, or don’t expose themselves to anything that is remotely contrary to the church narrative.
My cousin who is a bishop, when I told him I was reading rough stone rolling, said that he would never read anything that would challenge his testimony. At the time I didn’t realize how close minded and ignorant that statement was. Now I know how weak his testimony must have been if nothing was allowed to challenge it.
@@bmo5082 Interesting, that Rough Stone Rolling, was written by prominent LDS historian, Bushman, and yet members won't read it. Stephen Robinson, wrote some great books on 'Believing Christ and Following Christ' ,yet it is not church approved .The church,over the years, has done phenomenal conditioning on telling members to stay away from non church approved material,even though these wroters are prominent LDS people. Your last sentence is indicative of this result and concur deeply with your analysis.
Don’t know, but some have reported that high level mormons are Lucifarian, and they don’t buy Mormonism at all- just a front. Listen to the testimony of Bill shneobelen.
Basically a free pass to heaven - this whole fictitious ordinance makes a mockery of the Savior's atoning sacrifice.
@Alanzabruskie. X 200 Billion
YES
Not only that, it means the upper echelons of the Mormon church can engage in any financial crime they think they can get away with without a twinge of conscience. You'd be sure to loose your shirt having any financial dealings with them. In fact ... in fact ... they can even LIE to you about things.
Thank you for your honesty Hans and Brigita! So many people are good at smoke and mirrors even on the faithful! As you speak I hear the faith of the gospel in you!
Back in the 1990s, a lot of charismatic people wore Jewish prayer shawls and would cover their heads and seem to have a stronger connection with God.
Many people started buying them, as it became a Christian accoutrement.
Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors!
I can’t help but wonder what kind of a narcissist it takes to be motivated by the idea of ruling over your own planet
I have no desire to rule a planet.
Haunted is write.
Hawns IS RIGHT
I remember telling my husband I don’t really want my own planet/ I don’t want to become a “Goddess” with my own trillions of spirit children. I don’t need anyone worshiping me… scratch that, worshiping my husband - because let’s be honest- Heavenly Mother doesn’t matter one bit in Mormonism. Plus it all just seems stressful and depressing and … there are plenty of other much better ways to spend my eternity. I’m good.
And yet I have heard a dozen men admit they are members because of polygamy and ruling a planet
This is why the Brethren don't even flinch when they lie and deceive constantly.
@@AlanZabriskie-tr2uj let's not call clowns and fraudsters brethren
Or sexualy abuse our children...or give uneducated personal counsel to members that are struggling in many ways
Birgitta and Hans are two of the most amazing people I've ever met!
The egos of the leaders thinking they, not Jesus, get to say who is accepted is wild! I’m assuming they think they’ve had revelation about it? But even then…just wow!
BUT, remember they were had picked based on a upity up up decides they are worthy to receive it, or ORIGINALLY it was something Joseph offered to keep people even more hush hush about secret wives, secret meetings, secrets, secrets, secrets, secrets... ETC.
Good point!
@@UmWhaaat they pick based on $$$. King of kolob loves $$$
@@WellnessMealsWaterhow much is that doggie in the window...$$$
I left the church about a year ago, and the second annointing was part of what pushed me over the edge of even thinking of staying.
The fact that the church hasn't even acknowledged it, let alone discontinued and disavowed it, is repulsive to me. It goes against its own doctrine and establishes an "elite club".
The whole religion is an elite club.
They are great at back paddling anything that comes back to bite them in the butt. Polygamy, temple ceremonies, black men getting the priesthood, LGBT members....one day no, then yes, then no...their God can't make up his mind... the ability to collect $$$ is the real ruler...less people, less $$$
After my parents were the Provo Mission President, I noticed a change in their pride and entitlement and believe it was because they received the second anointing. After their mission they removed my brother and I from their will, leaving everything to their only natural child (my brother and I were adopted). I was a very active member and tried to be the perfect daughter, and they acknowledged the only thing I did wrong was move away from their hometown (we were in the military). They lied to us for years about the will, saying everything was divided equally. When I confronted my dad about it after my mom died, he denied lying and stopped talking to me until shortly before his death. He lied to the rest of the family that we were removed from the will and insisted he gave me and my brother large amounts of money. My brother and I never received a dime, though he did regularly give my sister money, including a house and car. His inability to admit his lies and that he erred, I directly attributed to his receiving the second anointing. When he refused to fix the will, I felt free to stop being perfect and left the church, divorced (35 year marriage) and came out as lesbian.
When I first learned about his lies, I stopped attending church weekly because I did not want to go to a heaven with my parents. Then I learned church history was a lie and had my name removed.i was finally free to pursue what made me happy. 5 years in a lesbian partnership and I’m so happy. I lost all my family and that was hard but I feel joy and peace daily.
I guess I should be happy that my parents are so poor that they don't even have a will because they have nothing to give.
Good for you! You should live true to you and your best life.
@@smallfairytales1231 being in that relationship will not make it better it will make it worse here in california the LGBT are forcing schools to convert kids into LGBT!!
i seen on youtube videos that men are in a kiddie pool pissing on another men and showing there private parts, too young children and in front of the police!! you think being the last man will make you happy it will never make you happy. It will make you a lot worse and trust me there is a God and he will not tolerate such pride of sin!
Good on you! ❤ We only have one life and it's for living, and living it well. I hope you have a long and happy life ❤
You Are Demonicaly inspired and Driven, Wow, Whats Wrong With You!? Look To Christ! Not Church History, LOOK TO CHRIST, TO CHRIST! YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, ITS ATTITUDE LIKE YOURS THAT MAKES THIS WORLD SINFUL AND SAD, YOU TALK ABOUT PRIDE?? THE PRIDE IN YOU AND YOUR SINFUL WAYS IS ABHORRENT, REPENT REPENT COME BACK TO THE ARMS OF JESUS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY HE LOVES YOU!!! AMEN AND AMEN
damn they all abandoned the church good for you Sweden!
@@Night_Overlord_nightmare most of western and northern Europe abandoned the cult
@@monyetgoblog7038 thank you jesus!! look at what happen in France what they did in the Olympics!
@@Night_Overlord_nightmarebit of a leap, there. What are you talking about? Your ignorance of art?
Mormon Second Anointing is north american religious Exceptionalism !
Sorry. Your statement is baseless. Hans and Brigitte are from Sweden
@@daviddunn1923 Sweden ? Baseless ? i think you lost my actual point !
No wonder Lori Vallow thought she was God
Well she didn't. But I know what you mean.
Chad Daybell too! Julie Rowe, many others believe all the cult in steroids
WORD
She considered herself a goddess and so did Chad
@julieherbs. The momo
leaders HAVE MADE. THEMSELVES. G.O.D.
Appropriating the sacred acts that JESUS -
SINGULARLY -
extended His
disciples is just plain TACKY.
Rename this outfit once a month, but you will never change it to anything other than the only thing it is and can ever be: PURE
M.O.R.M.O.N.I.S.M.
"Keep it secret."
"Tell us someone else who might be good ($__$) for us to give it."
Before we left the Church, my wife had a question about the temple ceremony but as directed...WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THE TEMPLE OUTSIDE THE TEMPLE. OK, She made an appointment with the 2nd Counselor of the Stake Presidency. They met, she asked him her question. After a few thoughtful moments by the Counselor he said to her " if you are really temple worthy and still have this question, I think your Bishop should reconsider your worthiness to have a Temple Recommend! Nice out! Anyone interested in hearing what was her question?
YES please. Do tell.
Temple ceremony and rituals are beautiful. I'm a Punjabi from UK and member since 80 . I found it to be true every bit. I served in the temple for a few years. No other religion like it.
@@eclairtreo Her question went like this..." Sometimes when watching the temple ceremony, I feel like we are being "fear mongered" when Satan ( portrayed by a very good actor) warns us that if we don't live up to all the covenants we made today in the temple, we will be forever in his power (paraphrasing) so, her question was ...WHY would Satan EVER want us to keep our covenants???? He would want us to fail.....installing fear and bullying to keep covenants???
He had NO answer so he questioned my worthiness to go to the temple.
@@billmarch7409 Wow! Thank you for letting me know. That was a really good question. And that church elder skirted the issue. Elders should be patient with the congregants and answer their questions even if inconvenient. She sounds like a sincere pilgrim searching for spiritual truth.
You know, I had the thought one time that Satan was actually using fear to manipulate and create perfectionism. I could have answered your wife without questioning her worthiness!! Lol
As a past temple worker, I worked in every capacity. I remember the day i was working 'in the seat' at the celestial room door. Before and after the room was used, we went in and straightened things up. I noticed an extra locked closet door. I asked: what's this room? She answered: that is used ONLY when the prophet comes. She said, its a small room. Secret????oh yeah!
People get mad about the second annoiting because it is in contradiction to Judgement Day.
It would be interesting to know if Masonites have anything similar to the 2nd annointing in their ceremonies. Any exclusive rituals that hardly anyone knows about. I also must say that receiving the washing and anointing as a woman in the temple felt beautiful to me. I had always heard whisperings that possibly Joseph Smith believed women could have the priesthood directly, and here i was being blessed by another woman with consecrated oil, and the laying on of hands, no less. That felt powerful to me, and i felt loved. Everything else felt so strange. I only went back a few times after that. So, when this Swedish couple was talking about the washing of feet, and her giving a blessing to him, it reminded me of my time in the temple. I believe it did have spiritual significance to them at the time. Its obvious they have great love and respect for each other.
I remember when my dad told me Hans left the church and he was so upset about it. Sweden is a small country so everyone knows everything. I have known about the second anointing since a teen. I thought everyone knew….
Is your dad still in?
I am a Swede and did not know before a cuple of years ago.
@@arneedlund8512 vad är det för fel med denna ritual?
@@romme4204 It's secret, not sacred. It's arrogant. And it essentially says, "You're going to the Celestial Kingdom no matter what. You can commit murder or any other sin, you don't have to be forgiven, your salvation is assured." It's something a secret society would do, NOT a Christian church. And it has no foundation in Christianity or what Christ taught.
@@romme4204 därför att den är påhittad av free masons omgjord för att verka biblisk när det inte är det.
Jag menar, vissa detaljer är från bibeln men vinklat för att passa en falsk tro bättre.
Typiskt free masons principer att göra så. De har gjort lika dant i andra sekter som tex JV fast i andra saker. Tex åminnelse ritualen.
Great interview John and guests!
Why don’t they give the priesthood to the sisters in the church so they can exercise it at home as well? Sounds like sisters can exercise the priesthood during the second anointing at the temple.
Yeah doesn’t make sense does it
@@buddhiukwaththa1132 kolobian reasoning 🤣
Cant keep up the mysogenistic boys club with yukky girl's germs!
Hans gets the male feminist of the year! prize I teared up when he spoke about the hardships of the women at home, and babies dying. Just... amazing.
Tear up about the amounts of sexual abuse of our children by church leaders, this is happening in the present
The LDS 2nd annointing was copied from Freemasons 33°, which is restricted by invitation only.
The Masonic 33rd candidate is shown a painting of the Dog Star Sirius, which is the brightest star in the sky. It is stated that it is the first star created by God when he created the Universe, and the entire Universe rotates around it. Recently, it was discovered that Sirus is a binary star. Some day it will be discovered that a planet revolves around Sirus. That is where Joseph Smith got his Kolob. :.
Nope, the 2nd anointing's came by direct revelation. Nothing in the temple endowment ever came from masonry. Joseph Smith specifically told us that he got everything in the temple by direct revelation. Though there exist some similar things, everything in the washings, anointing's, endowments, and 2nd endowment came by revelation from Joseph Smith from God.
@@samuelcoleman3658Oooh Joseph said it, so it must be true! Have you seen the Masonic rituals? Joe introduced the temple rites within weeks of joining the Masons and was eventually kicked out of the Masons for revealing their secrets. Probably the most successful conman in US history. Mormons are so brainwashed and devoid of critical thinking skills, it’s both sad and hilarious at the same time.
@@samuelcoleman3658your not serious are you. Everyone knows he got it from free masons
Nah, Joseph was a narcissist and womanizer with a God complex
@@samuelcoleman3658 Garbage, but of course the fossils in the LDS church teach it, so you believe it. Smith instituted the temple rites within weeks of becoming a Mason and then got kicked out of the Masons for revealing their secrets. The only “revelations” Smith got were from his imagination to shape his (rather brilliant) con game, which is obviously still working for the most gullible.
It can be heart breaking for some families. A LDS member loses his or her faith and the hole family shuns the poor soul. Where is the neighborly love, straight out of the Holy Bible.
I have a few family members who have left the Church of are not active.
I love them every bit now as I have always done. In fact I pray and fast for them so often that I think my love for them has grown.
I don't judge anybody that's not my duty.I love them and hope they love me with my own faults and failings. We all have them.
I am a convert so swathes of my family have never been members.
It was funny though that an Aunt asked me to seal her late husband my maternal Uncle to her and my mother's eldest brother to have him sealed to his wife..
He especially wanted to have a strong belief in some kind of religion. He was pleased that my sister and I did.
Totally agree!! This shunning is evil, Not Love!! Where is free agency? It's only around IF you believe like us.....do as we do, say the right things, submit, obey....
That is simply not true! There is no "shunning" in the LDS Church and everything said in this post is a big, fat lie!
That’s why it’s very difficult to become a general authority in the church, it’s very risky for the church to have a general authority to lose faith. They investigate everything about the potential candidate. There’s nothing about revelation or inspiration, it’s all about information gathered about the person, they want a proven record of loyalty to the institution and the leaders.
14:44 oh wow, both of their accents are beautiful, but hers is AMAZING!!!! This is my new favorite accent ever!!! So pretty.
Is there anything in the Mormon church true thank you John and all your guests for the work have done!!😊
It us true that Joseph Smith was a narcissist.
@@rkn2800and a fraud is
I strongly believe there are higher anointings as well, that are even more exclusive.
I seems like having a second anointing makes it easy and more acceptable for mission presidents and church authorities to be harsh, cold and uncaring about the welfare of young missionaries, abuse victims, and LGBT members.
Perhaps….It’s secret to avoid sane humans to call bullshit on the entire process!
I am embarrassed that I was a member of this cult for as long ad I was. They deny the saving grace of Jesus, and just like the Pharasies of old they believe they can earn their way to heaven.
Welcome back!
Informed consent is the opposite of deception. Deception overrides another's will, which is immoral except in self-defense. Secrets are a problem.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
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All of your interviews are well done and very interesting for us never Mormons.
The craziest thing to me about the second annoying is that you have control over when you die.
@markbillietravis. Oh, thank
you for
adding this lovely detail. Which
then just amplifies the heretical nature of this practice and the nasty color and smell and of its blasphemy.
No wonder rmn wants to deny MORMONISM is Mormonism.
Put a steeple on THAT
EGYPTIAN
OBELISK.
Now yes Hans was a Seventy, but it would be much more noteworthy if an Apostle left but they won't because with the cash they make (their "allowance") which is now over $150K/yr Nobody would give that up....
Hello, Dr. Dehlin. I am so appreciative of you and all of the Mormon stories contributors. I miss seeing Margie and Maven!
It's like getting a participation trophy you have not earned. If your life is not over yet, how can you be given the promise of salvation by man? It's like.. Thanks, but no thanks.. i haven't earned this yet.
This couple are genuine and recognized the error presented to them by church authorities. This is my first episode that I've watched and it makes me angry how many lies are presented. The second anointing only comes to the individual by Christ himself. The BofM teaches how someone can have the second anointing not some"insider" randomly picking and choosing according to how much money you've given or calling.
Thanks for sharing this and thank you for a 30-minute video!! Please do more of these excerpts more often so I have time to watch and enjoy something. I can't manage 2-5 hours!!
Lifelong pioneer heritage member, lots of callings, faithful believer over 5 decades ... didn't find out about 2nd anointing until I was 55 yrs old and entering my own faith crises/deconstruction and I was shocked!! This made me furious. We all know there is Mormon Royalty in this church, nepotism in leadership, extra privileges afforded to a small handful, etc... but this is next level elitism. The idea that church leadership can grant each other and chosen regular members to have a secret ceremony guaranteeing Celestial Kingdom - it's just absolutely insane. It goes against everything the Book of Mormon and Jesus Christ himself supposedly teaches, that "ALL ARE ALIKE UNTO GOD" ... [well... I see the hierarchy saying, wink wink "that's only what we tell the peons" ]
Bingo!!!! And they excommunicated John for questioning and uncovering truths...truth that by the way, are in the church's own archives...go figure
Many people have died that have received this ordinance. I wonder what their reaction is…
So, some rich people could be getting their salvation while doing every horrible thing besides actually completely killing anyone. Meanwhile, some very kind people could be harming no one and not be guaranteed their salvation or worse, yet. They could go to hell for not believing or realizing that they no longer believe. Meanwhile, those rich people could realize that they no longer believe and keep their salvation. Religions are all so odd.
Like communism!!!
This couple is truly Christ like, what an amazing couple 💕💕💕💕😍
So 2nd Anointing was not "offered" in the Swedish temple! They had to go to Germany. Discrimination against us Swedish saints.😡 Maybe the Germans donate more money, and there are more "worthy" members there.👀
Probably more indicative that the German temple President had his 2nd Anointing where the Swedish temple President hadn't.
@Gideonslc So I suppose they had to do it in German or English... Which might explain why they seem to have been distracted, or simply not taken in everything that happened. The temple vocabulary is super different and definitely not covered in language classes.
@@summerlake356 king of kolob prefers German. Virtually no German LDS in Germany.
Thanks!
The second comming of indulgences 😂😂😂😂😂
Heaven rejects those who discuss sacred things among those who cannot appreciate or are not prepared to accept heavenly principles and ordinances through faith and obedience😪
The probable with this is the fact that men are saying this is so, not Heavenly Father. As we have found out, the presidency has been saying things telling us the Heavenly Father told them these falsehoods. Heavenly Father will judge us on our actions and not what the leaders say. I hope the double anointed aren't doing things that Heavenly Father and that christ taught us not to do thinking they will still be exalted. If so, they will have a rude awakening.
Well we all know everything is a load of rubbish. Even Heavenly Father is a fairy tale
When I die, I just want to relax. Being a god over a planet sounds like too damn much work.😂
Deconstruction of what, exactly, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is by cgain sawing away everything that isnt is a journey. And its eye opening, not that we close our eyes or minds.
It's about taking the road behind Him and doing as He asked.
According to section 132 of the doctrine covenants Joseph referenced Abraham as being commanded from God to take Hagar as a second wife .. God didn’t command that ; Sarah was impatient and told Hagar too , not God . Joseph smith made up a vision , where he says God told him to take young girls and other men’s wife’s or God would kill him . Lies made up by Joseph so he could justify adultery and fornication . Bible sums this up to Jeremiah 14:14 “ Then the Lord said unto me “ the prophets are prophesying lies in my name . I have not appointed them, instructed them or spoken to them ; the prophesy a “FALSE VISION “ divinations , idolatries ( golden angels and huge golden statues of Joseph smith , peace dome ) and the deceits of the own minds!
All his visions were made up machinations of a very sick perverted mind. His own rules didn't apply to him.
Of you read that section backwards you can summon the dead
Birgitta gave her husband a blessing in the temple? My parents told me the temple had more gender "equality" which perhaps was the case for the Greatest/Silent Generation my parents were part of, but certainly isn't the case here to me. This makes me think even more that my Mission Pres/Regional Rep/Temple President parents received the Second Anointing. What else explains their eventual lax attitude about R-rated movies and eating out on Sunday? 🤓
Fascinating.
@@mormonstories I remember when I was on my mission one of the missionaries was the current prophet at the time's grandson and I heard about his father visiting him on his mission and them going to eat out on Sunday.
Is it rude to ask someone if they had their second annointing?
I feel sad for those members or not members that talk bad about the LDS church, I'm LDS and I can tell people that what you said is a lie,they don't do that in the temple, you are helping the evil to destroy God children's, the hell is prepared for those who reject God and JesusCrist
We are perfectly fine with people ascending on the wings of education through the lofty ranks of the academy. We even cloth them in robes and award them with titles and diplomas and plaques--and all of this in spite of the division it causes between people. But in religion--even when the Lord's anointed are tasked with serving as the least of all--we are mystified by the idea that a brother or a sister are declared to be perfect in Christ. Shouldn't we rather rejoice for them? That God has seen fit to bless them with such a supernal gift? And shouldn't we rather look forward with a hope in Christ to receiving the same gift--whether in this life or the next?
I wonder where the Lord and God is in all of this. I am sure it is a highly emotional thing to have this experience but I think we sometimes confuse emotion and feelings with the Spirit of God. I love what Joseph Smith says about Salvation.
1st key - Knowledge
2nd key - Make your calling and election sure
3rd key - (the part I love most) It is one thing to be on the mount and hear the excellent voice etc and another to hear the voice declare to you, You have part and lot in the Kingdom.
Elder Ballard is not the excellent voice.
The Lord Jesus Christ is my Judge not any mortal man. Only God would have the knowledge about me to make my calling and election sure. We need to stop worshipping these men.
I hope someone comes here to answer my question of logic. Mormon, or ex-Mormon, please explain what the point of proving yourself worthy of Celestial kingdom here on Earth? Why not live your life any way you want, don't get baptized, and let some good Mormon person do it all for you after you die? You get all the benefits of the church, without actually having to follow any of it. Mormons should cancel the missionary program, and simply wait for people to die.
Good point.
And loose $$$$$ collected by guilt and extortion...you have to pay to play...no $$$, mo Temple...no temple=no godhood and you will be living like a second class citizen for eternity...didn't you get the $$$$investment plan...there are many tears, just like in multilevel marketing...the Mormons are the gods of MLM
Hey, I want my own planet too. 🤪
Good luck 😅
there are people who can help you acieve this
I love this man. Just a child of god? ❤❤❤
It just came to me how much this mimics any kind of abuse such as pedophilia. They catch you off guard as a child and something strange happens. You have no reference for your told not to tell anybody about it. You participate in things that are unfamiliar and new this makes you feel that it was your responsibility for it happening it often feels wonderful to be a lot love bombed and special. It’s very sick how the church mimics this to get these people to believe what’s happening is good.
I hope my planet has an atmosphere.
Once again and this time someone who happens to be a 70 in the church, has listened to mormon stories podcast, which comes from a talented orator who has left the church but can't leave the church alone, fall away, so sad, I guess this man that started the podcast feels somehow satisfied. I did not know much about this podcast, but last year came upon it, and noticed immediately that this guy here J D had a negative countenance, but listened and then knew what he was.
At some point we all will have an accounting done by Christ, and will go to our various abodes, I can see that many members will know both sides, but don't want eternal life and they'll be satisfied with what they are given, but those who had a decent understanding that bonded to their own spirit through the Holy Spirit, what of them, I don't know, but I know that this is the time to get it right, and try with everything in you to get it right.
The denial is real. I feel sorry for those who remain consciously blind to the absolute deceitful magic of this abomination called the Mormon church. Why is it that the higher they climb in this multilevel extortion, the more they want to convince themselves that it is true. I wasted years of my life wondering why my bussom didn't burn like others claim to have felt. The day I left and finally took the rags, I now use to dust my furniture with off, was the first day I felt true peace. Those "garments" that were supposed to protect me like some magic amulet cost my family years of 10% of combined income and protected nothing. The church engages in mental and spiritual abuse. Wake up, people. Study the history of this Machiavellian church.
Audio only works fine for me. For the most part, I just listen anyways.
textbook cult bullsht
This is what DECENCY looks like.
This is how DECENCY speaks.
This is how DECENCY thinks.
THIS IS THE COURAGE and
THE INTEGRITY
of DECENCY.
Decency is itself a gift of God. They had it BEFORE this "anointing"; that is why THEY STILL HAVE IT. 🌺
Too bad the Mormon church can't spell that word, just like they spell the word truth.
I guess the humble people will never qualify for this. Sad.
I would share an observation I have pondered and studied for many years.
It is about Emma Smith Joseph's first wife and his rock and his strength and comforter.
She really had a tough time of it. Her husband was away so much that she had to raise and mourn many of her children by herself. She was terrified of Joseph and their family being killed.
In the Doctrine And Covenants it tells of her sure election into the Celestial Kingdom of She remained true to the end.
Now many will know that Emma did not leave for the Salt Lake Valley and She declared that her sons should be the Prophet not Brigham Young. She was also involved with the Reformed LD S churches.
I still feel her selection to the Celestial Kingdom will be hers. I think people think that the end is our death but I don't. I think that physically and mentally she had reached her end.. Just like some of us do. People with dementia mental health issues may only endure long before their physical body ends.
My Saviour and my Heavenly Parents are fair, loving and filled with so much compassion that we can never comprehend. It's what keeps me going that my works will be judged by a perfect Godhead not an earthly being.
I do not believe that my Heavenly Mother is any less than my Heavenly Father.
I have studied so much of Church History over the years. I joined the Church in Scotland when I was 14.
My first Seminary lessons were the Old Testament and then Church History. I knew about the question of when Black Men would receive the Priesthood. About Joseph's many plural wives. My teacher expected us to search out from contemporary accounts the History of the Church which I did. I grew my own conclusions from the readings and honest prayer which is how I approach most questions about anything.
As time had marched on more contemporary stories have been searched and compared with many from the Records of the Church. Many with just a little investigation have been proved inaccurate.
There are also ones that have been confirmed from similar accounts.
Whilst Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church and is perfect. Prophets,Apostles, Bishops, Stake Presidens are mortal men who fail at times. I am always comforted by the fact that any Prophet will be removed by the Lord of they start to lead the Church astray. I have my own opinions as to who if any might have had that judgement and experience. I do not consider any Prophet or General or Priesthood Authority above me. They are all children of our Heavenly Parents and we all have an equal chance to live the Gospel and receive exaltation..
Although they certainly work hard even in their advanced age. I think some rest is their due..
I know that we have a living Prophet on this Earth President Russell Nelson. He is such an educated and loving man. Even at a 100 he could give President Joe Biden a run for his money. He is starting to look frail though.
I remember being at a Area Convention of the Church in Manchester in 1971 the year after my baptism. I was sitting behind the Podium where the speakers spoke during one of the Sessions. I was shocked and dismayed when Joseph Fielding Smith the then Prophet being lifted along and up the stairs by his security team. It really rocked my faith until he started to speak. His voice was strong and pure. I don't remember his message but I knew he was a Prophet.
Later in life I taught Stories of the Prophets in Relief Society. My most inspiring Prophet was him Joseph Fielding Smith. I learnt that three days before he came to speak to us in British Isles his wife had died.
He had a sorrowful life in lots of ways. He was widowed three times and had taken care of his many small children with limited help. He taught himself to cook clean launder and put braids in his daughters hair. He was a very tender Father.
I think He was such a humble man. He was descended from Hyrum Smith and Mary Fielding Smith.
Are you into adultery, witchcraft and encantation? If you read the book of Mormon backwards you can summon the dead....you have no clue about your Mormon history...your Saint Joseph was married to over 25 women, most of the time without Emma's knowledge...he married 14 year olds...the man engaged in so much improper behavior and lies...did you know he wanted to be coronated king...your beloved church engaged un sex trafficking of girls to satisfy the perverted sexyal needs of leaders like Brigham Young and his cronies and calked it polygamy and ordained of God...your eyes and ears need a blessing dear woman...dug into the church history books and documents online...put there by the church itself because they couldn't continue to hide facts and cover the sun with one finger...read a book called no man knows my story...the entire church and it's doctrine is a lie!!!! The fabrication of a mad man...do yourself a favor, research for yourself. Don't go to the leaders for answers. They have no true answers...they are either just as list as you and will question your testimony and worthiness, or they have their own agenda....LOOK FOR YOURSELF. Itvis all there in plain English. I was lije you and I remained in the dark fir 27 years, talking myself into believing and making up feelings I desperately wanted to feel...my son and Jesus restored me to sanity. My son showed me what I never knew, what was never taught, what was hidden from ALL of us because it didn't fit the narrative....please LOOK.
I am just wondering if this 2nd anointing thing is also extended to blacks in the mormon church🤔
Great question.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
If church members have issues with Book of Mormon truth the church leaders must tell the truth because they have direct communication with Jesus to have this question answered.
Do they truly believe that? That they will be gods.
yes.
Yes, Mormonism is that batshit crazy. The temple married Mo's who make it to the "Celestial Kingdom" are the top of the food chain in the afterlife. That's why Mo's usually act so arrogant.
Not only do they believe it, the Apostle anoints them as such. Can you imagine the let down tho when you physically think that Jesus Christ himself is about to make himself known and He doesn't appear.
Didn’t we all?
The brainwathing is so deep. You never know you are before you are out.
then what is a first annointing?
When you, the participant, first receive your endowment, you are anointed. With the second anointment, you are anointed a second time. I love the idea of an archetypical hero’s journey. This is found throughout literature, both religious and not. The Illiad and the Oddessy, Moses and Noah, are great examples, yet each person’s life can be a Hero’s Journey. The participant is anointed for the journey as they cross the threshold and take on the quest. They start out as innocent and naive to what will be required of them on this journey. As they move along this journey, they discover what the challenges will be. Each journey is unique, but mentors appear to strengthen, assist and counsel on this journey. They pick up the implements of battle they will need. They encounter challenges along the way and both choose and discover mentors along the way as well as more implements. It is the battle of a lifetime. There are trials to face, failures to overcome, and surprises at every turn. In the end they find that the battle has transformed them into far more than they ever imagined. That is an interesting thing in this interesting hero’s journey. The innocent goes forth to conquer and instead finds they are transformed. Transformed into so much more than they ever expected. I see aspects of this Hero’s Journey in their story. I wonder if their journey is complete. Maybe there are still demons to face. Maybe there is a transformation and they are at a new threshold. Maybe I am off the wall. But I am curious to find out. They are a beautiful couple. 😊
Give them money and you shall exaltation, it’s a beautiful scam!
I never knew they became so wealthy because of stuff like this!
The real goal is a harem of women.
"CEASE FROM MAN whose breath (spirit/life)
IS IN HIS NOSTRILS
and wherein
is he to be accounted?"
[Isaiah 2:22;
NON-jst]
"The words I speak
to you
are spirit 🌹 and
they are 🌹 LIFE."
[John
6:63; NON-jst].
Hi John, the phrase “Losing his/her faith” has always bothered me because I don’t feel like I lost anything. Could you consider replacing that phrase with “illuminating his/her faith.”?
What did the Church lie about for 150 years in regard to its origin, be specific?
The LDS never took responsibility for Mountain Meadows
Wow!
Reading through some of the comments ...
🤔
Heavenly exaltation is only in the hands of God, not men who are in a paid ministry holding a high status according to human dictates. God rules His people, full stop. Why people lose their faith is because they see and hear stuff go on in the LDS church which leaves God out of the equation. It operates as a business corporation.
Church holds onto spiritual precedent from past church decisions that seem fiction and vague
This is very similar to Islam - paganism much
These people exhibit true humility. Also, the second anointing sounds like it has a lot of Freemasonry elements in it.
With all this ‘eternal marriage’ doctrine and perspectives, before you even get to any other rejected group, it would seem the single people are all deep second-class citizens in the world of Mormonism.
It’s a popularity contest. What I like about this man is that he adores his wife. What I don’t understand is why he would want to join an organization where the men can be polygamous after they die. It’s a paradox.
I received "The Second Annoyed" alredy !
I know! There is some witches brew to accompany that 😅😅😅😅
I have a story that you may be interested in. I worked at a place called NICE corporation. Jason Brown and Seldon Young owned. Something I have never heard from you is the missing of David Brown. I knew him .
Catholic viewer here- There is one living and true God and no other. “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth…” The Nicene Creed 325 A.D. 😊😊😊
The Second Annointing is so elitist for a church that claims that are equal before God. It’s also interesting to me that since this ordinance has become so well known in recent years, the newest changes in the temple reflect any old persons ability to “pierce the veil” and walk into the presence of God and receive the fullness of the Priesthood by God, Himself. It feels a little like the changes were made to alleviate the frustration of the general membership when they find out about it because now they can be told that, if they live right, they can receive it as well. It also gives the loophole that if they don’t have the opportunity to walk into the presence of God in this earthly life , then it’s because they weren’t faithful enough or worthy enough. Sounds an awful lot like what JS did to the saints.
They don't wash the women's feet because in the first endowment the men will be cleansed based on their faithfulness and then they turn to the women and say they have been pronounced clean. It's not based on conditions like it is for men.