Deng did the best business move he could do. His body was cooked after playing almost every available minute for Thibs in Chicago and Deng knew he had to cash in on a deal like that!
He's using that money to fund and coach national basketball teams for South Sudan. I bet it's a much more fulfilling career. They nearly beat the Dream Team 2.0 in the Olympics.
With Boozer he was basically relegated to being the second or third option behind Rose and Noah. His game took on a very different role in Chicago than with Utah. He ran fewer pick and rolls which what he was known for and his shot attempts at the rim were basically cut in half. As for Deng, we don’t talk about his Lakers stint. That contract was absolutely ludicrous.
Noah being the second option on any NBA team even in his best year in the NBA is completely wild! 🤭 You can call him emotional leader, heart of the Bulls and maybe even an all NBA defender at times. On offense tho he was literally as valuable as Darko Milicic...he had no offensive game whatsoever. If he truly were second option on theses 2010-2011 Bulls teams....they'd be picking in the lotterie!
As a Pistons fan... I'll never forget when we first got J-Smooth. The Detroit Free Press headline read: "We set basketball back 20 years" with his acquisition. 😂☠️
As a Pistons fan, I VIVIDLY remember when we got rid of Josh Smith then instantly went on a 8 - game win streak 😂. The talk around the team was instantly "Wait! Was having Josh Smith on the team the reason why we was ass for so long"?
BEST Front office decision ever to build the Uber-Frontcourt in Detroit. 🤭😂 It's a miracle they didn't turn out to be the "Badder Boys"...Drummond, Monroe and Smith clogging up the paint, making lives difficult for each other and their guards to drive and competing for the "worst spacing ever award". MINDBOGGLING that the Pistons are still awful 10 years later.
Fun fact: Doc Rivers won as Coach of the Year of the 1999-2000 season with Ben Wallace as his anchor, with Chucky Atkins, Darrell Armstrong, Bo Outlaw, and Corey Maggette. Wallace was then used as trade fodder to the Pistons when the Magic acquired Grant Hill. I say the Pistons got the better end of the deal.
T-Mac and Grant Hill had to be sign-and-trade acquisitions because the Magic didn't want to keep the extra salaries. Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace signed new deals with Orlando and were shipped to Detroit. For T-Mac, the Magic sent a future first-round pick. I believe Detroit got the better end of the deal because Ben Wallace won DPOY with them and helped them win a title, while Hill played a grand total of 47 games out of a possible 328 over four seasons with Orlando.
@@willingexile3374 Madness to remember one future 1st rd draft pick for a young stud like T-Mac only 4 years into his career. The NBA was so different back in the day.
I'll never hold it against a player going out and getting paid when his own team doesn't want to match. Could very well end up the other way too, like when Isaiah Thomas showed too much loyalty to the Celtics playing through injury and costing himself a $100+ million contract by doing so. Get your money first and foremost.
IT4 got too greedy expecting a supermax and then being traded since Celtics weren’t gonna give him that. A lot of these guys herejust got lucky at first getting paid only for the payday to come with compromises.
@@SlimShadyCypher yeah, he also was a 5’9 PG who couldn’t play defense to save his life and that alone would always limit a team. He was statistically the worst defender in the league for someone playing those minutes. And Boston didn’t want to commit supermax money to that, and idk if other teams would’ve too. That’s an example of sometimes you also should take the best offer you get early and not wait and gamble for it to fail.
@@KNRS927 All that you said about him and he still carried the team on his back to the conference finals. He broke his back for that team. I think it was reasonable for him to think they’d give him the max.
I feel that LeBron would not have had that crazy game in 2007 if Ben Wallace was still in the paint. With Dwight Howard in the paint, LeBron struggled. Mind you Ben Wallace was older at that time but I can't imagine Ben Wallace not having any sort of effect whatsoever
LeBron averaged 38 ppg against the magic in the 2009 ecf actually scored more efficiently in that series than the 2007 ecf. So you're wrong lol. His bigs just couldn't guard Dwight vs no star center for ilgaskus and varejao to worry about in the 2007 ecf. Pau gasol and bynum did a better job of guarding Dwight in the the 2009 finals than ilgaskus and varejao could. LeBron had no issue driving in and absorbing contact from Dwight for and 1s constantly throughout the series.
38ppg is struggling ? Lol how ? But also, LeBron James took the Ben Wallace Pistons 7 the previous year, so it's no guarantee that even WITH Ben, LeBron wouldn't have eventually had a crazy game
Montrez Harrell signing with the Lakers ruined him. Idk how he went from 6th man to nearly out of the league. I think people were expecting him to play like how Dwight Howard played for that 2020 team
Not true...he always had a very limited skillset, especially on defense he was unplayable in the Playoffs. He certainly didn't get signed to "replace" Dwight Howard just because he also played the 5. He was a energetic big that thrived in uptempo environments on offense. Then you add in that the Lakers playstyle is a complete mismatch to his game and it didn't work for anybody. Injuries and to a certain degree aging basically finished his career off. The move to the Lakers didn't ruin his career...BUT it was a BAD signing a match both ways and that certainly didn't help his career either.
what if Big Ben never left the pistons if they would have made the finals in 2007 and probably would have put up a better fight against the spurs than the Cavs did. The pistons desperately missed his presence inside in that series against the cavs. if Ben Wallace was still there guarding the paint would LeBron have just had his way with the pistons like he did?
AKs wrong decison: Trying WoW. It cant be that addictive right? Luols wrong decision: Getting a botched surgery. These dudes could all have been worth their own video.
The Deng thing in LA really doesn't make much sense. I get that you would want to develop the young guys, but it seems like a 3 + D Wing who could play 3/4 (and maybe some 2/5 in certain matchups) would be invaluable just in terms of floor spacing and helping the young guys get better in terms of mentoring.
Kirilenko became head of Russian Basketball Federation just 2 years after he had left NBA. Basically he's now top sports bureaucrat in Russia, so I don't think he misses NBA too much
BEN GORDON TO THE PISTONS! He was exactly the player the bulls were nissing when they started keith bogans for 82 games. Btw keith bogans had the lowest ppg number of any sg to start 82 games of all time. And bg played terriebly on a trash pistons team after comeing off an amazing season along side d rose.
Boozer gets a pass. Jerry Sloan was extremely hard to play for. It sucks that it’s talked about more and more after he’s passed away but facts are facts.
Bobby Hurley. Life-threatening car accident that derailed his career. The mistake? Wasn't wearing his seatbelt. Thrown from his vehicle and almost left for death had it not been for his teammate, Mike Peplowski that was among the first to arrive to his aide.
My memory is fuzzy on the details, but there is significant and interesting context to consider when evaluating the fall of the Pistons. Dumars was only a few steps into a longer plan when the owner died, and the widow wouldn't let him make any key moves until the team was sold unless necessary or required, such as drafting players and spending a certain amount of the cap. It took over two years for the Pistons to be sold, and his hands were untied. 1. Trade Chauncy for AI to get cap space 2. The roster had 3 good Combo Guards: Stuckey, AI, Will Bynum, and 2 good SGs, Rip and Aaron Afflalo 3. Dumars was going to trade 1 or 2 surplus guards for good player(s) at other positions 4. Owner Bill Davidson dies March 2009 5. July 2009 used cap space (required to spend a certain amount) on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva in what had randomly turned into a class with pretty weak Free agents available 6. Davidson's widow, new owner Karen Davidson, won't let Dumars trade the gluttony of guards because she's trying to sell the team. 7. She won't pay for a good coach either, so we had to hire John Kuester, who was in over his head 8. Coach Kuester must figure out how to use all these talented guards who deserve playing time but are stuck on the same team. 9. Dumars couldn't rectify mistakes like he had in the past, and like all other GMs do, such as being able to trade Charlie V It takes over 2 years to sell the team to Tom Gores. It's been a mess since.
CARMELO. Yeah he had a great career, but Melo could’ve possibly went down as a top 50 all-time player. Melo was special enough offensively to make up for mediocre defense, and still lead a championship team. But similar to offensive juggernauts like Curry or Bird, you still need the right cast to buoy Melo’s limited defense. But Melo didn’t care. He wanted buckets, $$$, & to be in NYC. So instead of signing with Chicago, he forced a sign & trade to the Knicks (that sapped NYK of all their assets). - compared to Ben Wallace, this seems WAAAY more applicable
I feel this is more about statistics and accomplishments. Carmelo still made all star appearances. Ben Wallace completely collapsed. He was still a great defender, but it didn’t make up his non existent offense and new coaching didn’t adapt
Why didn’t the knicks just wait for Melo to hit free agency and sign him instead of training? Also he could’ve left NY for LA and Kobe but stayed in NY for money
Another good one from further back is Bobby Simmons when he signed with the Bucks in 2005. He was coming off of winning Most Improved Player but took a nosedive after coming to Milwaukee. His career never recovered after that.
Yeah, he wasn't worth that contract at that point. He required a very particular system around him to thrive even in his prime, let alone in his decline.
I personally think he still is. An undersized post that gave prime Shaq (who would eat folks like Rudy Gobert and Marcus Smart alive) nightmares? Only true undrafted NBA player to make the HoF? Give the man his flowers. The league certainly did
Big Ben cut the frow and like Sampson his strength went with it. I saw Rashard Lewis in a clip played and it reminded me of the up and down career he had. The Magic gave him a big contact and had that run to the final with Howard and Turkoglu. Lewis was a 2nd rounder out of high school and a little ahead of his time kinda like a early poor man's Kevin Durant. Just look at their games because they are similar but Lewis isn't the all world shooter KD is but was a good none the less.
Ben leaving Detroit hurt both him and the organization! Not to mention the fans too! But it was good to see him comeback and eventually retire as a Piston and have his jersey retired at the palace a few years later.
Ben Wallace didn’t ruin anything. Detroit had a bunch of deep playoff runs, but only won a single ring. Wade and Miami were coming, and the Bulls offered Ben double his salary. That’s smart business.
That sentence alone at 5:09-5:20 … Should tell you why most of the players that have played for him end up being injured by the playoffs or have nagging injuries later in their careers.
He was cooked already on the Bulls...everyone new that except the dumb Knicks front office at that time. They didn't make the smartest trades back then.
Melo should've been in this video!!! He went for mone, in Knicls instead of Miami and championahips. And today,he is biggest crybaby in history of the League. His number 15 wears Nikola Jokić. And that number will be retired as Jokic's in Denver😂😂😂😂
Josh Smith missing that late three will always be one of the funniest moments in NBA history. Smith looked like he was looking for someone else to blame for his brick and Stan Van Gundy was smiling so hard but deep inside he probably wanted to strangle Josh Smith😂😂😂
I still believe that if deron Williams was still trying to be a top guard in the league. That that nets team would have went a lot further than they did
Even though the nets were old it still makes no sense how they were so bad… pierce, kg, Lopez, Joe, DW, AK47… Gerald Wallace and Jason terry?! Two years earlier that team may have been one of the best ever.
Jerry Sloan system could make any point guard and power forward look like a borderline if not flat out Allstar... It had Carlos Arroyo and AK47 looking like legit future stars.
I don't agree with CBooze here. Not only was that when Deron moved to slaughter Jerry Sloan's reputation as a coach because he got mad at him, but also Jerry as a result wound up retiring from coaching completely. So he would have had a completely different coach and system anyway, AND wouldn't have had Deron anymore, either. Therefore, I don't think it's fair or functional to have him on this list.
Dellavedova was never going to be anything more than a role player. He had one great playoff run where he basically became a guard version of Robert Horry and hit a bunch of clutch shots. The Bucks were still trying to figure out their identity at the time and that, combined with it being the offseason of outrageous contracts, led to Delly getting his deal.
Coach Frank Vogul had a squad with Pacers and Suns couldn't make it too Finals. But Lakers bubble he win his only championship then got let go suspicious
Wallace left the Pistons because of money. The Bulls offered him more money. That was a huge error from the Pistons, since they weren’t a championship team anymore after they lost Wallace.
Ben Wallace had been a bargain of a player, earning arout $7M per season during his peak at the Pistons. Chicago offered him a max deal, so he went from underpaid to overpaid.
I used to think Luol on the Lakers was just too old and washed up to play. I didn’t know he was essentially forced to sit on the bench. It’s sad how the NBA’s youth agenda took priority over so many good vets who still had gas in the tank.
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_One could argue that Luol Deng’s contract helped to fund the South Sudanese men’s basketball team he now runs._
Was thinking that too😅
That’s right. Deng used that money to create something special.
Lakers should sign SSD players in return.
Plus how is it a players’ fault if an organization can’t tell they’re cooked and massively overpays them?
Lol..none of the moves that Luke Walton made got them in the playoffs. Deng wasn’t washed. What a dufus! 🤣
Luol Deng didn't sabotaged his career, he was paid 72 Millions to do nothing.
Deng did the best business move he could do. His body was cooked after playing almost every available minute for Thibs in Chicago and Deng knew he had to cash in on a deal like that!
He's using that money to fund and coach national basketball teams for South Sudan. I bet it's a much more fulfilling career. They nearly beat the Dream Team 2.0 in the Olympics.
It was a botched surgery that sabotaged it
Ben Gordon should be on this list and Tracy McGrady, Scottie Pippen goes to Houston.
With Boozer he was basically relegated to being the second or third option behind Rose and Noah. His game took on a very different role in Chicago than with Utah. He ran fewer pick and rolls which what he was known for and his shot attempts at the rim were basically cut in half. As for Deng, we don’t talk about his Lakers stint. That contract was absolutely ludicrous.
Noah was never a second option it was rose deng boozer n then everybody else fell in line.
Mosgov and Deng got paid that summer lol
Thibs would almost always bench him in the 4th quarter in favor of Taj Gibson.
Boozer on the jazz was something special
Noah being the second option on any NBA team even in his best year in the NBA is completely wild! 🤭
You can call him emotional leader, heart of the Bulls and maybe even an all NBA defender at times. On offense tho he was literally as valuable as Darko Milicic...he had no offensive game whatsoever.
If he truly were second option on theses 2010-2011 Bulls teams....they'd be picking in the lotterie!
I listened to the Knuckleheads podcast recently with Tayshaun Prince, and he said they encouraged Ben to take the money because it was life altering.
Wow! Never knew this🔥
As a Pistons fan... I'll never forget when we first got J-Smooth. The Detroit Free Press headline read: "We set basketball back 20 years" with his acquisition. 😂☠️
As a Pistons fan, I VIVIDLY remember when we got rid of Josh Smith then instantly went on a 8 - game win streak 😂.
The talk around the team was instantly "Wait! Was having Josh Smith on the team the reason why we was ass for so long"?
Idk why the Pistons thought Smith, Monroe and Drummond could play together
And the press was right 😂
BEST Front office decision ever to build the Uber-Frontcourt in Detroit. 🤭😂
It's a miracle they didn't turn out to be the "Badder Boys"...Drummond, Monroe and Smith clogging up the paint, making lives difficult for each other and their guards to drive and competing for the "worst spacing ever award".
MINDBOGGLING that the Pistons are still awful 10 years later.
@@Rayven2711they had worse spacing than a 1970s team
You should have added Ben Gordon. Ben was not the same after leaving the bulls.
Yeah more logical than Ben Wallace, who can't call sabotage this is just natural decline he was in mid-30
Pretty sure Ben Gordon was always in his older vids that have similar premises, though I might be mistaking it for the wrong channel lol
@@kylenunez2820don't know why the Pistons refused to Pay Big Ben if they payed him The Pistons sweep the CAVS in 07
Think he did him in a separate vid
Ben was a sniper 🤧
Fun fact: Doc Rivers won as Coach of the Year of the 1999-2000 season with Ben Wallace as his anchor, with Chucky Atkins, Darrell Armstrong, Bo Outlaw, and Corey Maggette. Wallace was then used as trade fodder to the Pistons when the Magic acquired Grant Hill. I say the Pistons got the better end of the deal.
No magic got mcgrady as well because hill go8ng there
T-Mac and Grant Hill had to be sign-and-trade acquisitions because the Magic didn't want to keep the extra salaries. Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace signed new deals with Orlando and were shipped to Detroit. For T-Mac, the Magic sent a future first-round pick. I believe Detroit got the better end of the deal because Ben Wallace won DPOY with them and helped them win a title, while Hill played a grand total of 47 games out of a possible 328 over four seasons with Orlando.
@@willingexile3374 Madness to remember one future 1st rd draft pick for a young stud like T-Mac only 4 years into his career. The NBA was so different back in the day.
One team got a chip and one didn't so the choice is clear to me
Andrei Kirelenko had the coldest name ever with AK-47.....
Not Austin Reaves with AR-15?
@@derekhayter4879 lol...WHO calls Reaves that? Is that a thing?
@@Rayven2711it is but ak 47 way better
@@derekhayter4879 I absolutely have never heard him called that. Dope nonetheless.
I'll never hold it against a player going out and getting paid when his own team doesn't want to match. Could very well end up the other way too, like when Isaiah Thomas showed too much loyalty to the Celtics playing through injury and costing himself a $100+ million contract by doing so. Get your money first and foremost.
IT4 got too greedy expecting a supermax and then being traded since Celtics weren’t gonna give him that. A lot of these guys herejust got lucky at first getting paid only for the payday to come with compromises.
I agree, get paid. Even Gregg Popovich told Boban to take the Pistons money rather than to take the minimum from the Spurs.
@@KNRS927IT Killed his career for that team and couldn’t get paid lol. He wasn’t greedy he was an MVP candidate
@@SlimShadyCypher yeah, he also was a 5’9 PG who couldn’t play defense to save his life and that alone would always limit a team. He was statistically the worst defender in the league for someone playing those minutes. And Boston didn’t want to commit supermax money to that, and idk if other teams would’ve too. That’s an example of sometimes you also should take the best offer you get early and not wait and gamble for it to fail.
@@KNRS927 All that you said about him and he still carried the team on his back to the conference finals. He broke his back for that team. I think it was reasonable for him to think they’d give him the max.
I feel that LeBron would not have had that crazy game in 2007 if Ben Wallace was still in the paint. With Dwight Howard in the paint, LeBron struggled. Mind you Ben Wallace was older at that time but I can't imagine Ben Wallace not having any sort of effect whatsoever
The Lebron success basically consists of the NBA moving the big man out of the paint, so he can get wide open layups every time.
LeBron averaged 38 ppg against the magic in the 2009 ecf actually scored more efficiently in that series than the 2007 ecf. So you're wrong lol. His bigs just couldn't guard Dwight vs no star center for ilgaskus and varejao to worry about in the 2007 ecf. Pau gasol and bynum did a better job of guarding Dwight in the the 2009 finals than ilgaskus and varejao could. LeBron had no issue driving in and absorbing contact from Dwight for and 1s constantly throughout the series.
38ppg is struggling ? Lol how ? But also, LeBron James took the Ben Wallace Pistons 7 the previous year, so it's no guarantee that even WITH Ben, LeBron wouldn't have eventually had a crazy game
Do yall do any research before saying something like that
2:36 until the actual video starts
Was just about to say this too 🫡
Montrez Harrell signing with the Lakers ruined him. Idk how he went from 6th man to nearly out of the league. I think people were expecting him to play like how Dwight Howard played for that 2020 team
His injuries and awful defense. Remember he tore his ACL
Not true...he always had a very limited skillset, especially on defense he was unplayable in the Playoffs. He certainly didn't get signed to "replace" Dwight Howard just because he also played the 5. He was a energetic big that thrived in uptempo environments on offense.
Then you add in that the Lakers playstyle is a complete mismatch to his game and it didn't work for anybody. Injuries and to a certain degree aging basically finished his career off.
The move to the Lakers didn't ruin his career...BUT it was a BAD signing a match both ways and that certainly didn't help his career either.
12:57 Walton was always a guy whose name gave him job...
Yeah...Luke Walton has never done anything noteworthy as a player or a coach.
While Ben Wallace deserves that kind of money, that was basically the start of his decline.
His prime was in his 6-year stint in Detroit
Yeah, I lived in Detroit then, Wallace was not worth that contract at that point in his career.
He deserved the money for what he put in. Bout time he got paid he was getting old & injuries took their toll.
@paulfrantizek102 I live out of state and he was worth the money...yaul been azz juice since 💯
That championship in 04 hid the fact that dumars should've been fired 5 years before he did step down. He was terrible
what if Big Ben never left the pistons if they would have made the finals in 2007 and probably would have put up a better fight against the spurs than the Cavs did. The pistons desperately missed his presence inside in that series against the cavs. if Ben Wallace was still there guarding the paint would LeBron have just had his way with the pistons like he did?
*Billy King is perhaps the worst GM in NBA history.*
@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly "Perhaps"?
He was the Sixers GM so nets should have known. Sixers have had the worst management in NBA history
@@kman215 Nets were owned by a Russian oligarch at the time. Nothing about management was based on merit.
Great video as always Andy!!
AKs wrong decison: Trying WoW. It cant be that addictive right?
Luols wrong decision: Getting a botched surgery.
These dudes could all have been worth their own video.
The Deng thing in LA really doesn't make much sense. I get that you would want to develop the young guys, but it seems like a 3 + D Wing who could play 3/4 (and maybe some 2/5 in certain matchups) would be invaluable just in terms of floor spacing and helping the young guys get better in terms of mentoring.
Ben wallace going to the bulls was such a bad fit.
Thanks for another banger, Andy, and congratulations on your upcoming home! 💫
Bring back the trumpet background music full time
New Title: How the careers of former Bulls and Jazz players went up in flames
The background music during the Monta Ellis and Ben Wallace entries were horrendous 😂😂
Chandler Parsons Westbrook, Ben Gordon, Blake Griffin, Lamar Odom just to name a few.
Lamar to dallas 😬
Piston Josh Smith in 2k14 was OP
no bap
@@jerseygetsherwetter3452k17 Josh smith too lol. Dude on the rockets was WIIIIIILD!
Kirilenko became head of Russian Basketball Federation just 2 years after he had left NBA. Basically he's now top sports bureaucrat in Russia, so I don't think he misses NBA too much
Great video again Andy.
Ben Wallace had some dope shoes in his Pistons run.. always wanted a pair..
Like the video. I get that you already had two former Bull`s, but you could add Ben Gordon to this list. Once he left Chicago, he fell off the map!
BEN GORDON TO THE PISTONS! He was exactly the player the bulls were nissing when they started keith bogans for 82 games. Btw keith bogans had the lowest ppg number of any sg to start 82 games of all time. And bg played terriebly on a trash pistons team after comeing off an amazing season along side d rose.
He already made full video about Ben Gordon.
it's not just Ben Gordon it's any player to the pistons 😂
With today era more teams are actually the one screwing up the players,you can't blame them to go out to get paid
Boozer gets a pass. Jerry Sloan was extremely hard to play for. It sucks that it’s talked about more and more after he’s passed away but facts are facts.
Bobby Hurley. Life-threatening car accident that derailed his career. The mistake? Wasn't wearing his seatbelt. Thrown from his vehicle and almost left for death had it not been for his teammate, Mike Peplowski that was among the first to arrive to his aide.
My memory is fuzzy on the details, but there is significant and interesting context to consider when evaluating the fall of the Pistons. Dumars was only a few steps into a longer plan when the owner died, and the widow wouldn't let him make any key moves until the team was sold unless necessary or required, such as drafting players and spending a certain amount of the cap. It took over two years for the Pistons to be sold, and his hands were untied.
1. Trade Chauncy for AI to get cap space
2. The roster had 3 good Combo Guards: Stuckey, AI, Will Bynum, and 2 good SGs, Rip and Aaron Afflalo
3. Dumars was going to trade 1 or 2 surplus guards for good player(s) at other positions
4. Owner Bill Davidson dies March 2009
5. July 2009 used cap space (required to spend a certain amount) on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva in what had randomly turned into a class with pretty weak Free agents available
6. Davidson's widow, new owner Karen Davidson, won't let Dumars trade the gluttony of guards because she's trying to sell the team.
7. She won't pay for a good coach either, so we had to hire John Kuester, who was in over his head
8. Coach Kuester must figure out how to use all these talented guards who deserve playing time but are stuck on the same team.
9. Dumars couldn't rectify mistakes like he had in the past, and like all other GMs do, such as being able to trade Charlie V
It takes over 2 years to sell the team to Tom Gores. It's been a mess since.
Hmm. Seems like an interesting topic.
Btw this is now the longest Andy Hoops video eclipsing the one about the history of the Wizards.
CARMELO.
Yeah he had a great career, but Melo could’ve possibly went down as a top 50 all-time player.
Melo was special enough offensively to make up for mediocre defense, and still lead a championship team. But similar to offensive juggernauts like Curry or Bird, you still need the right cast to buoy Melo’s limited defense.
But Melo didn’t care. He wanted buckets, $$$, & to be in NYC. So instead of signing with Chicago, he forced a sign & trade to the Knicks (that sapped NYK of all their assets).
- compared to Ben Wallace, this seems WAAAY more applicable
I feel this is more about statistics and accomplishments. Carmelo still made all star appearances. Ben Wallace completely collapsed. He was still a great defender, but it didn’t make up his non existent offense and new coaching didn’t adapt
Why didn’t the knicks just wait for Melo to hit free agency and sign him instead of training? Also he could’ve left NY for LA and Kobe but stayed in NY for money
Luol Deng contact BIG W to team Sudan 💯
Gee, Kirilenko accepted a $3M deal with a Russian oligarch owner. Can you say "someone's family was in danger of novichok poisoning"?
Alot more people would like this comment if they weren't worried about the same thing haha
Friend of mine barfed in the backseat of Monta Ellis’ car once. True story.
Another good one from further back is Bobby Simmons when he signed with the Bucks in 2005. He was coming off of winning Most Improved Player but took a nosedive after coming to Milwaukee. His career never recovered after that.
Damn Andy throwing some heat doe lmaooo
Ayeee them white jazz jerseys kinda cleannn
Bro really left out Ben Gordon
Ah yeah that sucks, Ben Wallace was the best defensive player ever, until he floundered on the wrong team
Yeah, he wasn't worth that contract at that point. He required a very particular system around him to thrive even in his prime, let alone in his decline.
I personally think he still is. An undersized post that gave prime Shaq (who would eat folks like Rudy Gobert and Marcus Smart alive) nightmares? Only true undrafted NBA player to make the HoF? Give the man his flowers. The league certainly did
Overated, was only that good when surrounded. Gobert better. Took jazz to #1. Jazz
@thebestcentaur exactly bro, one of my top 5 or top 3 centers all time
@xavierb9061 nahhh that's only because the bulls wanted to make him into an offensive player, but that was his biggest weakness
ALWAYS take the bag.
Big Ben cut the frow and like Sampson his strength went with it. I saw Rashard Lewis in a clip played and it reminded me of the up and down career he had. The Magic gave him a big contact and had that run to the final with Howard and Turkoglu. Lewis was a 2nd rounder out of high school and a little ahead of his time kinda like a early poor man's Kevin Durant. Just look at their games because they are similar but Lewis isn't the all world shooter KD is but was a good none the less.
Ben leaving Detroit hurt both him and the organization! Not to mention the fans too! But it was good to see him comeback and eventually retire as a Piston and have his jersey retired at the palace a few years later.
Ben Wallace didn’t ruin anything. Detroit had a bunch of deep playoff runs, but only won a single ring. Wade and Miami were coming, and the Bulls offered Ben double his salary. That’s smart business.
Fiancé? Congrats on the engagement Andy 🥳
You and Johnny arnett is my favorite nba youtubers.
That sentence alone at 5:09-5:20 …
Should tell you why most of the players that have played for him end up being injured by the playoffs or have nagging injuries later in their careers.
Yup. I blame Thibs for what happened to DRose. On the flipside, his style allowed stars like Butler to really shine
The AK-47 situation is different, the Russian Mob is who brought him here.
remember when boozer spray painted his hair 😂
Shocked Joakim Noah wasn’t on this list.
He went to NY and his career immediately ended basically
He was cooked already on the Bulls...everyone new that except the dumb Knicks front office at that time. They didn't make the smartest trades back then.
Took them a very very very very very looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to be a playoff team 😂😂😂😂😂
Feels like Tim Hardaway Jr gonna be on this list soon depending on what happens next off-season.
Dwill x Booze will always be my fav underrated duo 🔥
Melo should've been in this video!!! He went for mone, in Knicls instead of Miami and championahips. And today,he is biggest crybaby in history of the League. His number 15 wears Nikola Jokić. And that number will be retired as Jokic's in Denver😂😂😂😂
Love you Andy ❤
Josh Smith missing that late three will always be one of the funniest moments in NBA history. Smith looked like he was looking for someone else to blame for his brick and Stan Van Gundy was smiling so hard but deep inside he probably wanted to strangle Josh Smith😂😂😂
Paul and Chandler were also good pick and roll duo.
I chuckled when they called Josh Smith a “basketball terrorist”
Congrats on your engagement.
I still believe that if deron Williams was still trying to be a top guard in the league. That that nets team would have went a lot further than they did
@@t-god2439 Teams always got better when he left.
14:45 “To hopefully compete, against the Miami Heat.”
Bars.
Agreed,good friends!!!🙏🏻
Man I forgot the NBA had the "amnesty clause". Teams need it now, so many bad contracts
Even though the nets were old it still makes no sense how they were so bad… pierce, kg, Lopez, Joe, DW, AK47… Gerald Wallace and Jason terry?! Two years earlier that team may have been one of the best ever.
Detroit is where careers go to die 😂
That’s a great review on Ellis. I am a fan of him and that was the exact reason he played great on the mavs and why he sucks on the Pacers
AI was a score first point guard too, ion know how Derrick changed the game before him
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Haha appreciate it bro
🙋 Been a fan since his 50k+ subscribers!
Great video
10:53 It was tragicomic
Jerry Sloan system could make any point guard and power forward look like a borderline if not flat out Allstar... It had Carlos Arroyo and AK47 looking like legit future stars.
Andy hoops 🔥
@2:46 Did you mean "Role Player" or Roll Man?
I'd say it's career sabotage but financial opportunity. 😅
Shaq to Cleveland.
luke walton is one of the worst coaches, him w the lakers and kings was so bad, deng should of been playing atleast 5-10 mins
I don't agree with CBooze here. Not only was that when Deron moved to slaughter Jerry Sloan's reputation as a coach because he got mad at him, but also Jerry as a result wound up retiring from coaching completely. So he would have had a completely different coach and system anyway, AND wouldn't have had Deron anymore, either. Therefore, I don't think it's fair or functional to have him on this list.
NBA teams suffer by the greed of their players.
did you do a vid on Matthew Dellavedova
Dellavedova was never going to be anything more than a role player. He had one great playoff run where he basically became a guard version of Robert Horry and hit a bunch of clutch shots. The Bucks were still trying to figure out their identity at the time and that, combined with it being the offseason of outrageous contracts, led to Delly getting his deal.
Carlos boozer was one of the best mid ridge shooters at the PF spot him Ibaka and taj Gibson
Boozer should have stayed with all star Ilgauskas and young Lebron James.
Just imagine Drose, Dwade and LBJ on Bulls all in their prime. Man, that's really scary.
I mean it might’ve hurt their careers but I can never fault a player for choosing life changing money. Always go for the bag
What about Dwight Howard when he joined Houston
Can't be mad at Ben Legend Rodman won 3 with Bulls but Rodman got 2 with Detroit who drafted him in late 80's.
Monte Ellis was like my favorite player at one time.
Cant believe Brandon Jennings not in this video!!
Including Boozer here was a reach. He wasn’t an ideal fit but he wasn’t that terrible.
It worked just fine, and they were the no. 1 seed.
Coach Frank Vogul had a squad with Pacers and Suns couldn't make it too Finals. But Lakers bubble he win his only championship then got let go suspicious
When I saw the title what comes to my mind is Kent Bazemore on 2014 and 2021, because at 2015 and 2022 GSW won a Championship LOL
10:32 nah Michael Jordan giving Batum 132M I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did... What a heist 😂
Wallace left the Pistons because of money. The Bulls offered him more money.
That was a huge error from the Pistons, since they weren’t a championship team anymore after they lost Wallace.
You can make another entire video of this by players getting worse by playing with lediddy james
Monta Ellis is that the year Rondo was on the team when you said the spacing was great
Ben Wallace had been a bargain of a player, earning arout $7M per season during his peak at the Pistons. Chicago offered him a max deal, so he went from underpaid to overpaid.
I used to think Luol on the Lakers was just too old and washed up to play. I didn’t know he was essentially forced to sit on the bench.
It’s sad how the NBA’s youth agenda took priority over so many good vets who still had gas in the tank.