btw it doesn't matter if syndicates 115 game is cheated, that wasn't exposed until far after it got most of its views. The people watching at the time are what mattered, not now
It doesn’t matter when syndicate’s 115 game was exposed, it matters if it was genuine. Having that “it doesn’t matter anyway” attitude is kind of sad. It takes the difficulty away from zombies if you can just /setround69 and continue lmao that’s worse than bo4 and its specialties, WW2 implementing the loadout.
@@jus__gra well since my sub point is that rounds should matter, and it's a video all about rounds and difficulty, and the casual player in 2010-2012 could not get to round 115, I think it fits, but alright
I agree with both sides but I think we earned our valor by playing waw-black ops 3 so much and for so long that we deserve the power fantasy we are being given now. I think we earned it and we're just looking at it this all wrong. We got better at zombies and we are getting rewarded for it.
one thing that bothered me since Cold War (and has nothing really to do with "atmosphere" or "aura") is that there is so much space to just train around... no threat in any area of the maps. The entire map philosophy makes this entire game look easy. U can just run around everywhere with no worry about "oh maybe i shouldn't go through this tight spot on the map.. cause i might die" ... u can just go turn ur brain off and not worry about that at all with how open these maps are.
There’s simply no point of a survival game if surviving is too easy. Cold war had many systems that made it too easy, far too forgiving health, LOADOUTS which destroyed the core of zombies progression being weak -> strong, permanent perk upgrades that ultra buff players, perma weapon dmg buffs, field upgrades (basically whole ass get out of jail free cards, ultimate abilities), etc. Black ops 3 had set such a great foundation for it to be forgotten. The map design was absolutely beautiful, the mix of difficulty and power was great, gobblegums were a fun shake up that made it easier for casuals, gave options for enthusiasts not to use them, and gave people things to look forward to with varied gameplay. Black ops 3 had attachments, that buffed up weapons slightly through leveling. Cold war introduced a camo grind to zombies, and with the aether crystal system and upgrades gave players incentive to keep playing. I think that aspect was great, but the additional power and eased difficulty was not. Take the attachment system from black ops 3 and slap a camo grind on it, with a unique zombies theme camo per weapon on top of a dark matter like camo. Get rid of loadouts and armor. Base 3 hit down system. Old point system. Limited ammo. Add base varieties of zombies to make games feel more interesting (I believe terminus will do this, saw new archetypes in the trailer) like sprinters, acid spitters, thicker heavy hitters, etc. What’s the point of a PvE game if everything is handed to you? Zombies was all about starting off weak and working your way up from nothing, dark and grim atmosphere with interesting sci-fi elements.
It hard to balance difficulty for everyone as you always gonna make one audience made no mater what, I did not mind bocw being east since it not a bad thing but still it hard for people to balance a game difficulty
Shit bro i remember when i was in 6th grade me and all my friends would compete and see how far we could make it on nacht. I think our top round at the start was our buddy damien with 8 lmao
This is my real issue with cold war and what could be bo6. Of course people want challenge in there games. I was one those kid in elementary discussing how can i get a high round in bo3. I remember my feeling of hitting round 30 on IW even if i knew back then and now that it was easyier to get round 30 in that game than bo2. Bo3 bo4 and cold war i all like in there own way but i find myself bored everytime i play thoses. I know these games get easyier and easyier and the thrill is gone but honestly hope for ee and side ee to do to keep me entertained every game cause (am gonna all caps this) I GOT TO A POINT IN THE NEWER GAMES THAT I COULD GET TO THE ROUND IF I WANTED TO and that just ruins beating your highest round and going for one.
simple remove loadouts, armor, make perks like they used to be in WAW to bo3, remove killstreaks, remove uber weapons, remove building, remove self revives, and make the maps more threatening i.e tighter spaces and tougher training areas. Oh yeah and I forgot NO SAVING GAMES
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 load out and armor and points I agree and they should make you do side quests to unlock score streaks but the perk system is fine buildables is fine(only if it's like bo2/bo3)but you're really fucking stupid if you wanna remove save and quit like why? Every zombies youtuber I've seen is hyped for save and quit except you are you trying to be different?
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 there is no such things as "REAL FANS" everybody loves zombies Here and everybody want it to grow and expand except you I don't wanna be rude but you sound fucking retarded ngl remove everything even save and quit 💀💀
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 I am a real fan, since bo1. Personally some of these new changes have been a great breath of fresh air for the series. Being able to use any weapons and not being limited to whatever wonder weapon the map has, score-streaks are fine, most are no different from the old specialists we had, dont need to use them. Bo6 is limiting self revives to 3 so, is that really any different from just running Quick revive in older games now. armour is the only new thing i actually dislike and maybe the way they implemented loadouts (wish they were a 10k points purchasable so camo grinders can still guarantee their weapon). I much prefer the larger variety we have these days in the options the player has, rather than every game feeling the same because you needed to, open pap, build shield, get wonder weapon, get same 4 perks each game, done. Saving games isnt a problem, just dont save, or dont load a save? it changes nothing about how you play. Id say you just hate change, i do pray for the maps to be better, and im going to guess in cold war, they were because of a lack of time since the game as a whole was rushed. terminus looks a lot more promising than any cold war map.
I think the issue is less about it being more or less difficult but how they make things more difficult. -BO4, super easy game if you camp in a corner with a helion salvo & specialist but the entire reason that is, is due to the fact that super sprinters exist & the zombie hit speed is insane. You literally can't move past round 55 without getting your shield health decimated -CW, super easy game if you camp in a corner with ring of fire. Once again because super sprinters will decimate your armor if you stop sprinting for even a microsecond. I mean the ranged attacks exist to basically unfairly strip you of armor. In older zombies you take a down because you make a mistake whereas in modern zombies it almost seems like a lot of the damage you take is completely unavoidable where it actively gets annoying every time a shield breaks or every time you lose armor. I hate that their idea of "making the game more difficult" is just special enemy spam, insanely bullet spongy bosses, ranged attacks that near perfectly track the player & super sprinters because it ultimately ends up feeling like no matter how good a player is, a lot of those hits just feel unfair
Big issue with super sprinters now -- dedicated servers. Always running on their servers means your ping will usually be higher than 10, and when it's around 60-100 (what I usually get in MWZ and Vanguard), the super sprinters completely screw you over because you literally can't escape them because they're hitting you before the server can even register that you shouldn't be getting hit
I don't get how anyone can have fun playing a PvE mode that is easy. Even fighting another human and winning easily is boring, but ESPECILLY against cpu. It feels pointless to play if you know you will win, or at least that it how I see it, and for a mode with only a few maps the replayability *depends on* difficulty.
@dh3913 I like difficulty, so I agree, but why people like easy PvE is the same reason people just mindlessly can eat a family size bag of chips as a "meal".
@@CypherOfSolace Interesting comparison. I'd just say, while I think eating a bag of chips as dinner is nasty, I can see how the dopamine from eating a snack compels someone to keep eating it. With regards to easy PvE I don't see how there is any dopamine to begin with lol. I guess that's just a matter of opinion but I can't be satisfied with winning any game or activity unless there was some challenge.
@@dh3913 It would start off with you enjoying that dopamine, perhaps, and feeling as if you're the best player ever, but then slowly realising that things are too easy and the drug effects have worn off. Then, you kind of feel a void and you want more of a challenge, you want to "FEEL THAT FEELING" again of having gotten the power against the enemy back, after being at a lowpoint, then completely decimated them in order to show them whos boss. You definitely wouldn't feel that if that feeling is manufactured or their was never much chances of that happening because you had to many tools at your disposal that would just allow you to avoid that from happening very much or at all. You need to feel that "authentic high" of progression and satisfaction, because that's what's truly to FUN in the end.
Elden Ring’s numbers were a perfect storm tbh not just what you mentioned: Accessibility, GRRM Marketed as the story writer, 2 years worth of organic marketing based on radio silence from the first trailer, every FROM release slowly built up the next games popularity, open world is a massive selling point and they said it would have the most coherent storytelling (it didn’t).
I know this might sound weird, but I feel accessibility is not a problem for difficulty in zombies. At least for WaW-BO2, it was relatively easy to get people to play zombies. Heck, I’ve had people that never play CoD be able to get into zombies relatively easy. Like you said, zombies starts out easy then gets difficult. I don’t think the difficulty issue necessarily ties to making things more accessible, but more so with the pacing and execution. CW for instance has zombies deal less damage for the first 10 rounds, and zombies don’t get close to a threat until round 30. BO6 is much the same, but now you spawn with armor. They have a really good foundation to have chill early rounds and hectic high rounds with the different zombies damages values, It just feels like the pacing is off. That’s why I feel Vanguard and MWZ felt more difficult. Vanguard had the damage ramp up earlier, and MWZ let you go at your own pace.
I could just be crazy but I also felt like the Vanguard zombies got faster much quicker and they hit you much faster than in any other game Hugging the side of a train in vanguard on round 35 is almost instant death
The changes we’re asking for aren’t even difficult to include (Effort and Coding Wise) They can genuinely redeem themselves but they won’t because they don’t care. It’s like asking the class clown to do his homework.
I personally think the difficulty was toned down for the cod next showcase because they wanted to make sure nobody was dying super early so they could actually showcase the map and gameplay. Think about it, most people there either barely or never played zombies before.
I agree, it's also probably just an easier map because I haven't heard anyone talking about reaching round 50 on terminus at cod next. Maybe it just wasn't available though lmao
Most people who want it easy, want it easy because of camo grinding or they got into it when it was easy. I think they should bring back difficulty settings from BO4 and if you play on Easy, your game wouldn't count towards the leaderboards. You would have to play on Normal or Hard to have your game count on the respective leaderboard. That way people can still play on Easy for camo grinding or just to relax, but those who play on Normal or Hard get the joy of reaching a high round and having it matter.
They have 3 separate modes. They dont need to make each mode to please everyone. One of the best things about the older CODs is that each mode felt different.
It’s clear as day how much it’s catered to casual and new players that want to turn off their brain for an easy time. I dislike how easy it feels now and I really am not a fan of the dark aether making it just not my cup of tea.
How difficult can you expect a game that’s point and shoot against AI for the last 15 years? People are just better at video games than when you were 7 years old playing world at war. The Elden Ring comparison is off base, it’s a slow paced solo game that’s designed to be tilting.
Bo4 zombies is 10x better than Cold War and what bo6 will be. Why is everybody so happy about watered down zombies????😂😂😂 BO4 had a ton of development issues but ended up with 4 maps at launch that all felt like zombies maps looked like it too. while you can’t say the same about cw and how bo6 is looking. When you see a classic mode you’ve loved for years get worse and worse and ruined why would you NOT get mad about it😂😂😂
Well, people were only complaining BO4 was too hard at the beginning because it was a 3 hit down and they REMOVED JUGG. And if u were a casual player, good luck finding the shield parts! (That only protects you from the back) Idk who thought getting rid of Jugg was a good idea. Now it’s not as useful anymore with the armor system in MWZ and Cold War
You had sprinters on like round 5 I played bo4 a lot and the zombies are way to fast I think they even get to the point where they are faster then you without stamina up which is baddd
Cod zombie games started to become way too easy with bo2. Bo3 was somehow even easier to me personally, where I got to round 60 with classic gums on Kino, where before, my highest round on bo1 Kino was 40. Bo1 was almost perfect with Difficulty, bo2 had so much stuff you can use and bo3 is only Difficult because the hit system is ridiculous broken compared to bo1 and 2, where the player ttk was 1.4 seconds compare to bo3 where it's less then 1 second despite having 3 hits
I think it's getting ridiculous how easy it's been since the Cold war and some dlc maps on Bo4. Yes I always thought that zombies were decently challenging. But, now you can just press one button and get to round 100 no effort and no consequences
I remember replaying WaW BO1 and BO2 maps over and over again just practicing getting to round 20. That was the milestone. If I could get to 20? I conisdered myself good at that map. And i did that all the frikking time. I miss Buried.
waw and bo1 are difficult in a way that's not fun. it made co-op super unfun… literally the only way to get high rounds was in solo or else in co-op it was basically spectating simulator if you didn’t get the wonder weapon but at least in bo2 you could cooperate with each other with stuff like the traps and in bo3 literally any weapon was viable since dead wire was basically a pocket wunderwaffe arguably even better and you had fireworks. I think there is a balance between enjoyment and challenge and I just don’t find bo1 very enjoyable since zombies are just bullet sponges, wonder weapons can’t create max ammos so it’s just box hitting simulator for high rounding. I’d say it probably has my favorite zombie AI tho and early rounds are very fun but later rounds just aren’t fun. Also bo4 if your not using some camping strategy at its core is 100% a harder game then bo3, you have less perks, most perks were toned down, a shitter “speed cola” perks were more expensive and points were harder to obtain, elixirs were super toned down compared to gums and the guns are absolutely terrible in this game and no double tap 2.0 and the zombies in this game are aggressive asf and are literally bullet sponges, once again the thing that made this game easy were camping strats also literally all the aether maps are super tight and there are literally like no actual good training spots, I mean like go play blood of the dead or alpha omega and you'll find yourself getting trapped a lot or having a harder time training meanwhile each bo3 map has multiple training spots, some of the best wonder weapons of all time, op gums, dead wire with wall weapons basically being a wonder weapon with infinite damage and you had widows wine which was literally a jail out of free card. It's just kinda ironic to me to complain about the game having 4 hit down when bo3 had the god mask and widows
Tbh cold war and mwz is probably the only good zombie systems, I'll agree the maps are mid, but I haven't seen any previous zombie that gave "high risk high reward". In past I never liked going high round I didn't see a reason to get up there other than "bragging rights". I'm more EE and it's was easier when after grinding to upgrade everything, cold war, to solo all six EE.
Syndicates round 115 is cheated. And to say the game got sweaty after war zone is a fallacy. The average KD used to be 1, since war zones addition, the average player has a .81 KD. Majority of people playing war zone have no thumbs
After playing Cold War, I just can't agree that new zombies is too easy. They have innovated so much and given us a power fantasy that we are complaining about for no reason because the zombeis agression level and numbers increase to balance the power out. I can stay in the yard on die maschine until at least round 15 but it's still super easy to f up ans make a mistake in the late 20s to end game.
What we need everyone to do, is tell other devs that we need competition in the round based horde survival genre. Without competition we rely on CoD to make it good each year. We need other studios to make their own type of the mode. Entirely unrelated to CoD. I myself have ideas for one, with its own concept for every mechanic. This is what the genre needs. Not more CoD zombies, we need competition.
I make high rounds over 50 all the time on bo3 and b02 I can never make that on Cold War talk are trippin and I can guarantee I can carry 80 percent of you guys on the classic cods I don’t care what y’all think Cold War is harder in my experience and I’m a literal god at b02 and b03 lol
Accessibility and things being too easy are two different things. One allows you to get used to things and to more easily understand and get the hang of things, then from there you're mostly on your own with the core fundamentals figured out and acquainted with. Then, easy mode would be that after you learn the mechanics of the game there is nothing really left to learn, outside of core combat gameplay, perhaps. You would just be playing the game on easy mode at that point with not much progression. It should be that you learn the core mechanics, then you go and master the game. Not you learned the core mechanics, and that is enough for you to basically master the game.
I like the feeling of putting applied knowledge that has been learned, then seeing that learning curve and mastering a map. It just feels like that learning curve has been decreased a ton. Anybody can easily learn a map and the mode without as much time/skill needed to be able to get the hang of things. It makes things feel too dry, too fast. I like it the most when you have those tiers of learning the maps/mode. You know like pros vs noob gameplay. It nice to flex your skill in the game. It doesn't feel like you can do that as much in a public lobby or in general, anymore because the noob can easily get to the high rounds and get used to the main quest too easily and it makes me have a desire for their to be more challenge or something else that can bring back that feeling of going from noob to pro with a lot more to it and give me my satisfaction of having learned and mastered a map. From there, it would just be about the little things and seeing what else you can still get better at or to learn how to master on any map or the mode/mechanics, overall.
I wish it was harder, but im still gonna do high rounds like i did back in bo1 and 2, i like the story but i enjoy doing high rounds and seeing how hard it can get. But bo4 and cold war were by far too easy, even mwz was easy after about 3 rounds, so im hoping bo6 will be harder, i want round 100 to be easier
Damn, imagine if they made Dead Ops more easy. As much as I find that mode kind of difficult and overwhelming at times, I still would like to learn the ins and outs of it, and get better at it, so that then I can feel and see progress being made in becoming a better player at it. Then, that would be what feels a lot nicer and it makes me feel like I've accomplished something in the game that took a fair amount of skill and knowledge and time. I honestly wouldn't want that gamemode to get like, and I'm only mentioning it because it feels like that's how the main gamemode has felt like it has lost. I want a good challenge to tackle and reach. That's what feels nice and is fun to do.
Me and one of my friends completed all the cold war easter eggs.... this is concerning because we are fuckin stupid and may or may not have been blazed everytime. It is possible these games are too easy XDDDD
I feel like these new cw players like the fact that the game is ez and had no depth I think they enjoy that which is cool but zombies has always been hard so why would treyarch change the entire game for those type of players? That’s like if souls games made there games more ez and made the story ez to understand bc they want more ppl to play? And zombies was always popular it was doing fine as it was
Cod zombies is too easy in general for a long while and black ops 3 is to blame. People hold this game on such a high pedestal they don't realise they are part of the problem shadows of evil and DE has one of the most boring high rounds.
difficulty is actually better for casuals, no one wants to play a 3 hour match where you never die, casuals want to hop in for 30min to 1 hr and get to a round and then die naturally because it got too hard
I downloaded cold war after 2 years and i gotta say its not easy as people keeps saying I tried to do the easter egg in mauer der totem and it was horrible trying to evade zombies lucky me i got a random who wanted to do it first and i helped him and now i gotta help him do die machine easter egg In conclusion: yall delusional or only pick grenade launcher as primary.
@@normanbestboi9117 “game was balanced around them” in what way lol. You can easily achieve round 100 on every original map without the need for gums or the specialist.
I never cared too much about rounds, especially now--I just don't have the time anymore and it gets extremely boring. I just want the easter eggs to be difficult again, which extends into how the whole mode works.
Aggressive as in run faster? Rampage Inducer exist where it adds in super sprinter and the rounds start faster. Unless you mean more like bo3 that the zombies go faster around round 3 and 4. Idk if you also mean the damage you take should be more
Vanguard did this. It does make them harder, Vanguard gets noticably harder much faster than cold war, but the super sprinters and the hit speed is annoying because of the dedicated servers
I love what you said about bo4 and the gameplay mechanics coming together in weird and unexpected (from a game developer perspective) ways to make it easy. On Normal, if you run the Hellion Salvo, it's no longer about survival. It becomes a speed hoarding game, but if you pick any bullet based weapon and run the wonder weapon of the map, it becomes a lot harder game. The way Stone Cold stronghold mod works with PhD and the hellion salvo is insane, but you won't be using that same mod with any other regular weapon.
BO3 was the beginning of the series becoming too easy because of AATs, gums and the three hit down system. However, you could just not use them. BO4’s automatic jug was a terrible decision and with the return of AATs and the new addition of specialists, the game was also easier. Not to mention the health cap at level 35…. Cold War introduced even more mechanics that made the game easy/mindless/not fun. The armor system, killstreaks, loadouts, etc. They say BO6 will be hard, to that I scoff in disbelief. BO6 is going to be even easier than Cold War.
Most of the hard maps are hard bc lack of training spots or lack of camping spots. The moment I can’t get kills with just a gun as well and I gotta use traps it’s tedious and I quit. Zombies was always ez and when it wasn’t the maps were just bad and that’s y it was hard
I thought it made sense to pretty much always have jug in bo4 because it’s heavily centered around the complex ee’s. So if you go down, at least you pretty much always have jug. It’s not like going down in a bo3 boss fight with no way to save your perks without a pay to win gum. You can do all of the bo4 ee’s without any special elixers and it’s still challenging
The difficulty part, I think Activision is heading in the direction that makes the most sense financially. Usually, when a company is on a trend its becuase it has the stats for the player base increase and increase in hours played. And the guided mode isn't really and issue becuase 99% of players already play the guided mode by watching RUclips guides. Mr Roflwaffles gain 2 million subscribers around guides so the majority of people who freaked out about the guided mode or the fact that zombies has started to hold the players hand are kind of out of pocket on that one.
Difficulty is very important. I’ve been grinding kino der toten (bo1) for a long time, and i STILL go down on round 18 every other attempt. Cold War is just too easy. Getting to round 18 was really easy. Never got past 20 cuz I got bored
As much as it annoys me that zombies is hard that is the beauty of it. Take me for instance i have only just in the past 3 months really gotten into zombies. I am playing cold war because i hate MW3 zombies. I am trying to get the Easter eggs done in cold war i have managed 2 of them. 1 on outbreak and the other on Forsaken. I only run solo so for me the difficulty is just insane but when i eventually do them i will feel a great sense of accomplishment and that's what zombies should be it should be extremely hard if it wasn't then it wouldn't be worth playing.
This is the real reason that the ui takes so much of the screen and you get the points covering your screen and kill streaks, since the cod zombies game isn't stimulating enough for the modern audience
I remember when fire base z came out and the first time I played it, I was able to complete the ee. Usually I would have to play a map multiple times and learn it first
1:34 the thing I hated most was the 2 hit down, 3 hit downs are plenty of hits to survive, whilst not being complete bullshit, I wish we could have both the Cold War and bo3 systems for every game moving forward, so both sides are happy
I would like to point out that Duke Dennis got to round 50 on liberty falls with the ray gun and the jet gun. I think people are overlooking how good those guns are, especially the jet gun. Now it still looks easy but I don't think it'll be as easy without those weapons.
Liberty Falls is a bonus map for newer players.. Cod next was filled with none Zombies players of course they’re gonna make the beta easy so the people watching can see longer game play
My question is why is everybody asking for more difficult zombies experience I just want a nice casual fun zombies experience so I can relax at the end of a hard days work. I don’t wanna get fucking butt fucked by 1000 zombies running at the speed of mock Jesus.
thats why alot people are supposing a difficultly slider. Someone else put it nicely "think they should bring back difficulty settings from BO4 and if you play on Easy, your game wouldn't count towards the leaderboards." so people who want a chill experience can have that while the people who want more of a challenge can do that to.
@@OnXcKryptid exactly at least give me a choice if I want to get butt fucked by a 1000 zombies running at the speed of mock Jesus or just have a fun time
Bro what? And btw did you watch the vid ? Not way you watched this vid and your conclusion was zombies fans can’t be happy with anything also die rise is a trash map😂 most ppl don’t like that map just like most ppl don’t like tranzit there are maps that ppl don’t like bud I don’t think that’s the zombies fans not being able to be happy with anything
It’s kinda hard to come up with a proper solution to the whole difficulty problem Getting a high round in the older games is just running around using traps and infinite damage wonder weapons (Which gets really boring after a while) Newer zombies just has zombies running at impossible speeds and they do even more damage the higher the rounds. There is no winning here.
If you don't like the new style don't play it you are not forced to play it play another game or stay on your old boring zombies cold war style is staying get used to it
@@ronald6563 that's your opinion and luckily for you there's alot of old call of dutys you can go back to and enjoy that style there's no need to cry about cold war or bo6 just play a different game not everything is about you crying kids
@@jayt4655 people “crying” over a terrible product is called criticism. Something that companies need to receive to understand what their audience does and does not enjoy. but you’re right, the target audience clearly isn’t me anymore. It’s more for smooth brain bundle-buyers
@@ronald6563 cold war zombies more people played that then the old garbage classic boring style and yes the new style is for more players which means it will stay for good I'm glad you notice the new style isn't for you anymore u can always enjoy other games I don't like mp since bo4 sbmm ruined mp for me but I just stopped playing it and played other games I never cried about it like a entitled baby
btw it doesn't matter if syndicates 115 game is cheated, that wasn't exposed until far after it got most of its views. The people watching at the time are what mattered, not now
It doesn’t matter when syndicate’s 115 game was exposed, it matters if it was genuine. Having that “it doesn’t matter anyway” attitude is kind of sad. It takes the difficulty away from zombies if you can just /setround69 and continue lmao that’s worse than bo4 and its specialties, WW2 implementing the loadout.
@@jus__gra the whole point is that the view count shows community interest in high rounds. It's about the viewers, not syndicate
@@CatCrossedI’m chastising because what’s the difficulty in going /setround69. Your video is about the difficulty in the game mode.
@@jus__gra well since my sub point is that rounds should matter, and it's a video all about rounds and difficulty, and the casual player in 2010-2012 could not get to round 115, I think it fits, but alright
I agree with both sides but I think we earned our valor by playing waw-black ops 3 so much and for so long that we deserve the power fantasy we are being given now. I think we earned it and we're just looking at it this all wrong. We got better at zombies and we are getting rewarded for it.
one thing that bothered me since Cold War (and has nothing really to do with "atmosphere" or "aura") is that there is so much space to just train around... no threat in any area of the maps. The entire map philosophy makes this entire game look easy. U can just run around everywhere with no worry about "oh maybe i shouldn't go through this tight spot on the map.. cause i might die" ... u can just go turn ur brain off and not worry about that at all with how open these maps are.
Thank you. This was my biggest issue with CW zombies, not all the other shit people kept talking about.
I think mauer der toten doesn't have this problem
@@airbornezombie7655 I almost fell asleep playing Mauer for the first time
@@georgerockwell6124 same. Played it 2 times; I got to high rounds easily and then never touched it ever again.
Especially the forsaken
There’s simply no point of a survival game if surviving is too easy. Cold war had many systems that made it too easy, far too forgiving health, LOADOUTS which destroyed the core of zombies progression being weak -> strong, permanent perk upgrades that ultra buff players, perma weapon dmg buffs, field upgrades (basically whole ass get out of jail free cards, ultimate abilities), etc. Black ops 3 had set such a great foundation for it to be forgotten. The map design was absolutely beautiful, the mix of difficulty and power was great, gobblegums were a fun shake up that made it easier for casuals, gave options for enthusiasts not to use them, and gave people things to look forward to with varied gameplay. Black ops 3 had attachments, that buffed up weapons slightly through leveling. Cold war introduced a camo grind to zombies, and with the aether crystal system and upgrades gave players incentive to keep playing. I think that aspect was great, but the additional power and eased difficulty was not. Take the attachment system from black ops 3 and slap a camo grind on it, with a unique zombies theme camo per weapon on top of a dark matter like camo. Get rid of loadouts and armor. Base 3 hit down system. Old point system. Limited ammo. Add base varieties of zombies to make games feel more interesting (I believe terminus will do this, saw new archetypes in the trailer) like sprinters, acid spitters, thicker heavy hitters, etc. What’s the point of a PvE game if everything is handed to you? Zombies was all about starting off weak and working your way up from nothing, dark and grim atmosphere with interesting sci-fi elements.
2:20 ayo that name
Syndicates round 115 run was faked btw 😅
It hard to balance difficulty for everyone as you always gonna make one audience made no mater what, I did not mind bocw being east since it not a bad thing but still it hard for people to balance a game difficulty
Shit bro i remember when i was in 6th grade me and all my friends would compete and see how far we could make it on nacht. I think our top round at the start was our buddy damien with 8 lmao
This is my real issue with cold war and what could be bo6. Of course people want challenge in there games. I was one those kid in elementary discussing how can i get a high round in bo3. I remember my feeling of hitting round 30 on IW even if i knew back then and now that it was easyier to get round 30 in that game than bo2. Bo3 bo4 and cold war i all like in there own way but i find myself bored everytime i play thoses. I know these games get easyier and easyier and the thrill is gone but honestly hope for ee and side ee to do to keep me entertained every game cause (am gonna all caps this) I GOT TO A POINT IN THE NEWER GAMES THAT I COULD GET TO THE ROUND IF I WANTED TO and that just ruins beating your highest round and going for one.
5 hours and 761 views..damn that's low
-VG SOORYAJITH
THERE WAS A TUTORIAL IN BO4???
Great video! Nothing I like more than nerds talking about nerd shit :)!
simple remove loadouts, armor, make perks like they used to be in WAW to bo3, remove killstreaks, remove uber weapons, remove building, remove self revives, and make the maps more threatening i.e tighter spaces and tougher training areas. Oh yeah and I forgot NO SAVING GAMES
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 load out and armor and points I agree and they should make you do side quests to unlock score streaks but the perk system is fine buildables is fine(only if it's like bo2/bo3)but you're really fucking stupid if you wanna remove save and quit like why? Every zombies youtuber I've seen is hyped for save and quit except you are you trying to be different?
Remove everything, great plan
@@Sharkahi No just all the non classic zombies feature far from everything if you're a real fan
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 there is no such things as "REAL FANS" everybody loves zombies Here and everybody want it to grow and expand except you I don't wanna be rude but you sound fucking retarded ngl remove everything even save and quit 💀💀
@@theguycisterninoyelledat6272 I am a real fan, since bo1. Personally some of these new changes have been a great breath of fresh air for the series. Being able to use any weapons and not being limited to whatever wonder weapon the map has, score-streaks are fine, most are no different from the old specialists we had, dont need to use them. Bo6 is limiting self revives to 3 so, is that really any different from just running Quick revive in older games now. armour is the only new thing i actually dislike and maybe the way they implemented loadouts (wish they were a 10k points purchasable so camo grinders can still guarantee their weapon). I much prefer the larger variety we have these days in the options the player has, rather than every game feeling the same because you needed to, open pap, build shield, get wonder weapon, get same 4 perks each game, done. Saving games isnt a problem, just dont save, or dont load a save? it changes nothing about how you play. Id say you just hate change, i do pray for the maps to be better, and im going to guess in cold war, they were because of a lack of time since the game as a whole was rushed. terminus looks a lot more promising than any cold war map.
I think the issue is less about it being more or less difficult but how they make things more difficult.
-BO4, super easy game if you camp in a corner with a helion salvo & specialist but the entire reason that is, is due to the fact that super sprinters exist & the zombie hit speed is insane. You literally can't move past round 55 without getting your shield health decimated
-CW, super easy game if you camp in a corner with ring of fire. Once again because super sprinters will decimate your armor if you stop sprinting for even a microsecond. I mean the ranged attacks exist to basically unfairly strip you of armor.
In older zombies you take a down because you make a mistake whereas in modern zombies it almost seems like a lot of the damage you take is completely unavoidable where it actively gets annoying every time a shield breaks or every time you lose armor.
I hate that their idea of "making the game more difficult" is just special enemy spam, insanely bullet spongy bosses, ranged attacks that near perfectly track the player & super sprinters because it ultimately ends up feeling like no matter how good a player is, a lot of those hits just feel unfair
Big issue with super sprinters now -- dedicated servers. Always running on their servers means your ping will usually be higher than 10, and when it's around 60-100 (what I usually get in MWZ and Vanguard), the super sprinters completely screw you over because you literally can't escape them because they're hitting you before the server can even register that you shouldn't be getting hit
Bro yes super sprinters literally make it impossible to train. It’s like they for some reason WANT us to just camp in one spot the whole game
Remember tho, that all the OG games, everything kept getting spongey. Thats the point.
I don't get how anyone can have fun playing a PvE mode that is easy. Even fighting another human and winning easily is boring, but ESPECILLY against cpu. It feels pointless to play if you know you will win, or at least that it how I see it, and for a mode with only a few maps the replayability *depends on* difficulty.
@dh3913 I like difficulty, so I agree, but why people like easy PvE is the same reason people just mindlessly can eat a family size bag of chips as a "meal".
@@CypherOfSolace Interesting comparison. I'd just say, while I think eating a bag of chips as dinner is nasty, I can see how the dopamine from eating a snack compels someone to keep eating it.
With regards to easy PvE I don't see how there is any dopamine to begin with lol. I guess that's just a matter of opinion but I can't be satisfied with winning any game or activity unless there was some challenge.
@@dh3913 It would start off with you enjoying that dopamine, perhaps, and feeling as if you're the best player ever, but then slowly realising that things are too easy and the drug effects have worn off. Then, you kind of feel a void and you want more of a challenge, you want to "FEEL THAT FEELING" again of having gotten the power against the enemy back, after being at a lowpoint, then completely decimated them in order to show them whos boss. You definitely wouldn't feel that if that feeling is manufactured or their was never much chances of that happening because you had to many tools at your disposal that would just allow you to avoid that from happening very much or at all. You need to feel that "authentic high" of progression and satisfaction, because that's what's truly to FUN in the end.
It’s too easy because they have to hold the hands for the bad players.
@@CarlosColon-m7i i like being bad and try to improving, i hate when the game holds your hand the whole time really removes most of the fun.
Elden Ring’s numbers were a perfect storm tbh not just what you mentioned:
Accessibility, GRRM Marketed as the story writer, 2 years worth of organic marketing based on radio silence from the first trailer, every FROM release slowly built up the next games popularity, open world is a massive selling point and they said it would have the most coherent storytelling (it didn’t).
I know this might sound weird, but I feel accessibility is not a problem for difficulty in zombies.
At least for WaW-BO2, it was relatively easy to get people to play zombies. Heck, I’ve had people that never play CoD be able to get into zombies relatively easy.
Like you said, zombies starts out easy then gets difficult. I don’t think the difficulty issue necessarily ties to making things more accessible, but more so with the pacing and execution.
CW for instance has zombies deal less damage for the first 10 rounds, and zombies don’t get close to a threat until round 30. BO6 is much the same, but now you spawn with armor.
They have a really good foundation to have chill early rounds and hectic high rounds with the different zombies damages values, It just feels like the pacing is off.
That’s why I feel Vanguard and MWZ felt more difficult. Vanguard had the damage ramp up earlier, and MWZ let you go at your own pace.
I could just be crazy but I also felt like the Vanguard zombies got faster much quicker and they hit you much faster than in any other game
Hugging the side of a train in vanguard on round 35 is almost instant death
The changes we’re asking for aren’t even difficult to include (Effort and Coding Wise) They can genuinely redeem themselves but they won’t because they don’t care. It’s like asking the class clown to do his homework.
I personally think the difficulty was toned down for the cod next showcase because they wanted to make sure nobody was dying super early so they could actually showcase the map and gameplay.
Think about it, most people there either barely or never played zombies before.
I agree, it's also probably just an easier map because I haven't heard anyone talking about reaching round 50 on terminus at cod next. Maybe it just wasn't available though lmao
You know damn well they didn’t tone down the difficulty 😂
Honestly the prison portion of Terminus looks decently compact so hopefully it will end up being a harder map with less training area
I agree man, the difficulty level is what MADE the game so much fun. Huge mob of the dead fan, also loved buried
My new favorite zombies RUclipsr don't ever stop bro you make amazing content ima fan
Most people who want it easy, want it easy because of camo grinding or they got into it when it was easy.
I think they should bring back difficulty settings from BO4 and if you play on Easy, your game wouldn't count towards the leaderboards.
You would have to play on Normal or Hard to have your game count on the respective leaderboard. That way people can still play on Easy for camo grinding or just to relax, but those who play on Normal or Hard get the joy of reaching a high round and having it matter.
I like the BO4 difficulties a lot, but most people I've talked to say that they don't like them
They have 3 separate modes. They dont need to make each mode to please everyone. One of the best things about the older CODs is that each mode felt different.
It’s clear as day how much it’s catered to casual and new players that want to turn off their brain for an easy time. I dislike how easy it feels now and I really am not a fan of the dark aether making it just not my cup of tea.
How difficult can you expect a game that’s point and shoot against AI for the last 15 years? People are just better at video games than when you were 7 years old playing world at war. The Elden Ring comparison is off base, it’s a slow paced solo game that’s designed to be tilting.
Bo4 zombies is 10x better than Cold War and what bo6 will be. Why is everybody so happy about watered down zombies????😂😂😂 BO4 had a ton of development issues but ended up with 4 maps at launch that all felt like zombies maps looked like it too. while you can’t say the same about cw and how bo6 is looking. When you see a classic mode you’ve loved for years get worse and worse and ruined why would you NOT get mad about it😂😂😂
Well, people were only complaining BO4 was too hard at the beginning because it was a 3 hit down and they REMOVED JUGG. And if u were a casual player, good luck finding the shield parts! (That only protects you from the back) Idk who thought getting rid of Jugg was a good idea. Now it’s not as useful anymore with the armor system in MWZ and Cold War
Bo4 had decent zombies but everything after that has been bad
You had sprinters on like round 5 I played bo4 a lot and the zombies are way to fast I think they even get to the point where they are faster then you without stamina up which is baddd
Cod zombie games started to become way too easy with bo2.
Bo3 was somehow even easier to me personally, where I got to round 60 with classic gums on Kino, where before, my highest round on bo1 Kino was 40.
Bo1 was almost perfect with Difficulty, bo2 had so much stuff you can use and bo3 is only Difficult because the hit system is ridiculous broken compared to bo1 and 2, where the player ttk was 1.4 seconds compare to bo3 where it's less then 1 second despite having 3 hits
I think it's getting ridiculous how easy it's been since the Cold war and some dlc maps on Bo4. Yes I always thought that zombies were decently challenging. But, now you can just press one button and get to round 100 no effort and no consequences
I remember replaying WaW BO1 and BO2 maps over and over again just practicing getting to round 20. That was the milestone. If I could get to 20? I conisdered myself good at that map.
And i did that all the frikking time.
I miss Buried.
waw and bo1 are difficult in a way that's not fun. it made co-op super unfun… literally the only way to get high rounds was in solo or else in co-op it was basically spectating simulator if you didn’t get the wonder weapon but at least in bo2 you could cooperate with each other with stuff like the traps and in bo3 literally any weapon was viable since dead wire was basically a pocket wunderwaffe arguably even better and you had fireworks.
I think there is a balance between enjoyment and challenge and I just don’t find bo1 very enjoyable since zombies are just bullet sponges, wonder weapons can’t create max ammos so it’s just box hitting simulator for high rounding. I’d say it probably has my favorite zombie AI tho and early rounds are very fun but later rounds just aren’t fun.
Also bo4 if your not using some camping strategy at its core is 100% a harder game then bo3, you have less perks, most perks were toned down, a shitter “speed cola” perks were more expensive and points were harder to obtain, elixirs were super toned down compared to gums and the guns are absolutely terrible in this game and no double tap 2.0 and the zombies in this game are aggressive asf and are literally bullet sponges, once again the thing that made this game easy were camping strats also literally all the aether maps are super tight and there are literally like no actual good training spots, I mean like go play blood of the dead or alpha omega and you'll find yourself getting trapped a lot or having a harder time training meanwhile each bo3 map has multiple training spots, some of the best wonder weapons of all time, op gums, dead wire with wall weapons basically being a wonder weapon with infinite damage and you had widows wine which was literally a jail out of free card. It's just kinda ironic to me to complain about the game having 4 hit down when bo3 had the god mask and widows
Tbh cold war and mwz is probably the only good zombie systems, I'll agree the maps are mid, but I haven't seen any previous zombie that gave "high risk high reward".
In past I never liked going high round I didn't see a reason to get up there other than "bragging rights". I'm more EE and it's was easier when after grinding to upgrade everything, cold war, to solo all six EE.
Syndicates round 115 is cheated. And to say the game got sweaty after war zone is a fallacy. The average KD used to be 1, since war zones addition, the average player has a .81 KD. Majority of people playing war zone have no thumbs
After playing Cold War, I just can't agree that new zombies is too easy. They have innovated so much and given us a power fantasy that we are complaining about for no reason because the zombeis agression level and numbers increase to balance the power out. I can stay in the yard on die maschine until at least round 15 but it's still super easy to f up ans make a mistake in the late 20s to end game.
What we need everyone to do, is tell other devs that we need competition in the round based horde survival genre.
Without competition we rely on CoD to make it good each year.
We need other studios to make their own type of the mode. Entirely unrelated to CoD. I myself have ideas for one, with its own concept for every mechanic.
This is what the genre needs. Not more CoD zombies, we need competition.
I make high rounds over 50 all the time on bo3 and b02 I can never make that on Cold War talk are trippin and I can guarantee I can carry 80 percent of you guys on the classic cods I don’t care what y’all think Cold War is harder in my experience and I’m a literal god at b02 and b03 lol
Accessibility and things being too easy are two different things. One allows you to get used to things and to more easily understand and get the hang of things, then from there you're mostly on your own with the core fundamentals figured out and acquainted with. Then, easy mode would be that after you learn the mechanics of the game there is nothing really left to learn, outside of core combat gameplay, perhaps. You would just be playing the game on easy mode at that point with not much progression. It should be that you learn the core mechanics, then you go and master the game. Not you learned the core mechanics, and that is enough for you to basically master the game.
I like the feeling of putting applied knowledge that has been learned, then seeing that learning curve and mastering a map. It just feels like that learning curve has been decreased a ton. Anybody can easily learn a map and the mode without as much time/skill needed to be able to get the hang of things. It makes things feel too dry, too fast. I like it the most when you have those tiers of learning the maps/mode. You know like pros vs noob gameplay. It nice to flex your skill in the game. It doesn't feel like you can do that as much in a public lobby or in general, anymore because the noob can easily get to the high rounds and get used to the main quest too easily and it makes me have a desire for their to be more challenge or something else that can bring back that feeling of going from noob to pro with a lot more to it and give me my satisfaction of having learned and mastered a map. From there, it would just be about the little things and seeing what else you can still get better at or to learn how to master on any map or the mode/mechanics, overall.
I wish it was harder, but im still gonna do high rounds like i did back in bo1 and 2, i like the story but i enjoy doing high rounds and seeing how hard it can get. But bo4 and cold war were by far too easy, even mwz was easy after about 3 rounds, so im hoping bo6 will be harder, i want round 100 to be easier
Damn, imagine if they made Dead Ops more easy. As much as I find that mode kind of difficult and overwhelming at times, I still would like to learn the ins and outs of it, and get better at it, so that then I can feel and see progress being made in becoming a better player at it. Then, that would be what feels a lot nicer and it makes me feel like I've accomplished something in the game that took a fair amount of skill and knowledge and time. I honestly wouldn't want that gamemode to get like, and I'm only mentioning it because it feels like that's how the main gamemode has felt like it has lost. I want a good challenge to tackle and reach. That's what feels nice and is fun to do.
Me and one of my friends completed all the cold war easter eggs.... this is concerning because we are fuckin stupid and may or may not have been blazed everytime. It is possible these games are too easy XDDDD
I feel like these new cw players like the fact that the game is ez and had no depth I think they enjoy that which is cool but zombies has always been hard so why would treyarch change the entire game for those type of players? That’s like if souls games made there games more ez and made the story ez to understand bc they want more ppl to play? And zombies was always popular it was doing fine as it was
Cod zombies is too easy in general for a long while and black ops 3 is to blame. People hold this game on such a high pedestal they don't realise they are part of the problem shadows of evil and DE has one of the most boring high rounds.
difficulty is actually better for casuals, no one wants to play a 3 hour match where you never die, casuals want to hop in for 30min to 1 hr and get to a round and then die naturally because it got too hard
When I bought black ops 4 I was hitting round 40 plus fairly easy first try so it was disappointing
Hold hands and let's help EVERYONE enjoy our game by making it very very very easy
While video is pointless, nothing wrong with a game being too easy or too hard. It’s subjective.
Great video bro I wish treyarch could watch this and take this advise it bc it feels like they just do not listen to us
i personally want to go back to 2 swipe before jug these zombies just aren’t a threat anymore
You never know maybe they'll make it harder on full release or something idk
Im waiting for Plants vs Zombies Trearch Edition
I downloaded cold war after 2 years and i gotta say its not easy as people keeps saying
I tried to do the easter egg in mauer der totem and it was horrible trying to evade zombies lucky me i got a random who wanted to do it first and i helped him and now i gotta help him do die machine easter egg
In conclusion: yall delusional or only pick grenade launcher as primary.
u gotta be disabled.
I think Kevin Drew and the team will listen. I think it will be harder on launch than in the gameplay we saw. I'm looking forward to it.
That said, I don't think it should be so hard that new players are turned away after one attempt.
You are spot on. Well done.
Every Cold War fan:
If you don't like something that make the game easy, don't used it.
They’re right for the most part, stuff like Killstreaks and Field Upgrades are optional, just like how gobblegums and specialists optional are in Bo3.
@@PeppinSpaghett.Not entitely, the game was balanced around them. Bo3 was balanced around the classic gobblegums, and the maps specific specalist.
@@normanbestboi9117 “game was balanced around them” in what way lol. You can easily achieve round 100 on every original map without the need for gums or the specialist.
Waw was the golden age. Fight me
Agreed bo1 just made the game to easy
I never cared too much about rounds, especially now--I just don't have the time anymore and it gets extremely boring. I just want the easter eggs to be difficult again, which extends into how the whole mode works.
a easy fix would just make the zombies more aggressive earlier on instead of round 55 like CW
Aggressive as in run faster? Rampage Inducer exist where it adds in super sprinter and the rounds start faster. Unless you mean more like bo3 that the zombies go faster around round 3 and 4. Idk if you also mean the damage you take should be more
Vanguard did this. It does make them harder, Vanguard gets noticably harder much faster than cold war, but the super sprinters and the hit speed is annoying because of the dedicated servers
@@angelguivas1862 yea like in bo3 type of aggression more damage per hit
I love what you said about bo4 and the gameplay mechanics coming together in weird and unexpected (from a game developer perspective) ways to make it easy. On Normal, if you run the Hellion Salvo, it's no longer about survival. It becomes a speed hoarding game, but if you pick any bullet based weapon and run the wonder weapon of the map, it becomes a lot harder game. The way Stone Cold stronghold mod works with PhD and the hellion salvo is insane, but you won't be using that same mod with any other regular weapon.
Difficulty has never really been a thing in Zombies. Hell, sitting in corners, camping was way easier in BO3 than it was in Cold War for me
I will never understand how so many people love vanilla bo3 zombies, it’s way too easy with or without gobblegums
Im gonna drop a video tomorrow bc i agree and also have a unique perspective to add
@ me in the comments if you want me to watch it
@CatCrossed mic is janking up but I'll hit you when it drops
BO3 was the beginning of the series becoming too easy because of AATs, gums and the three hit down system. However, you could just not use them. BO4’s automatic jug was a terrible decision and with the return of AATs and the new addition of specialists, the game was also easier. Not to mention the health cap at level 35…. Cold War introduced even more mechanics that made the game easy/mindless/not fun. The armor system, killstreaks, loadouts, etc. They say BO6 will be hard, to that I scoff in disbelief. BO6 is going to be even easier than Cold War.
Most of the hard maps are hard bc lack of training spots or lack of camping spots. The moment I can’t get kills with just a gun as well and I gotta use traps it’s tedious and I quit. Zombies was always ez and when it wasn’t the maps were just bad and that’s y it was hard
Thats because people says: "BeiGn oVeRpOweReD iN ZomBies is FUN" another instance of people not knowing wtf they want
I thought it made sense to pretty much always have jug in bo4 because it’s heavily centered around the complex ee’s. So if you go down, at least you pretty much always have jug. It’s not like going down in a bo3 boss fight with no way to save your perks without a pay to win gum. You can do all of the bo4 ee’s without any special elixers and it’s still challenging
The difficulty part, I think Activision is heading in the direction that makes the most sense financially. Usually, when a company is on a trend its becuase it has the stats for the player base increase and increase in hours played. And the guided mode isn't really and issue becuase 99% of players already play the guided mode by watching RUclips guides. Mr Roflwaffles gain 2 million subscribers around guides so the majority of people who freaked out about the guided mode or the fact that zombies has started to hold the players hand are kind of out of pocket on that one.
Since bo 3 with bubblegums, its ez af. Round 5 with perkaholic, phoenix up, wall power e.
So is classic mode coming or no
I hope so 😭
I remember as a kid getting carried to round 14 on Five by some random guy on Xbox. I genuinly thought we had broken the worldrecord
Difficulty is very important. I’ve been grinding kino der toten (bo1) for a long time, and i STILL go down on round 18 every other attempt.
Cold War is just too easy. Getting to round 18 was really easy. Never got past 20 cuz I got bored
As much as it annoys me that zombies is hard that is the beauty of it. Take me for instance i have only just in the past 3 months really gotten into zombies. I am playing cold war because i hate MW3 zombies. I am trying to get the Easter eggs done in cold war i have managed 2 of them. 1 on outbreak and the other on Forsaken. I only run solo so for me the difficulty is just insane but when i eventually do them i will feel a great sense of accomplishment and that's what zombies should be it should be extremely hard if it wasn't then it wouldn't be worth playing.
This is the real reason that the ui takes so much of the screen and you get the points covering your screen and kill streaks, since the cod zombies game isn't stimulating enough for the modern audience
I remember when fire base z came out and the first time I played it, I was able to complete the ee. Usually I would have to play a map multiple times and learn it first
Bro I really like your videos man keep up the good work!
Difficulty isn’t the problem, I mean it’s a part of it, but it’s more than that.
difficulty is everything to easy is instantly boring for me an i hope there are some good difficulty settings in bo6
1:34 the thing I hated most was the 2 hit down, 3 hit downs are plenty of hits to survive, whilst not being complete bullshit, I wish we could have both the Cold War and bo3 systems for every game moving forward, so both sides are happy
just add the journal from ww2 lol, you can even toggle it 😂
I kinda hope that the classic mode that is being leak make it to the game and make it harder
I would like to point out that Duke Dennis got to round 50 on liberty falls with the ray gun and the jet gun. I think people are overlooking how good those guns are, especially the jet gun. Now it still looks easy but I don't think it'll be as easy without those weapons.
It is not difficult to acquire the wonder weapons
I saw that god mode on 3:21
Nuh uh
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Liberty Falls is a bonus map for newer players.. Cod next was filled with none Zombies players of course they’re gonna make the beta easy so the people watching can see longer game play
My question is why is everybody asking for more difficult zombies experience I just want a nice casual fun zombies experience so I can relax at the end of a hard days work. I don’t wanna get fucking butt fucked by 1000 zombies running at the speed of mock Jesus.
thats why alot people are supposing a difficultly slider. Someone else put it nicely "think they should bring back difficulty settings from BO4 and if you play on Easy, your game wouldn't count towards the leaderboards." so people who want a chill experience can have that while the people who want more of a challenge can do that to.
@@OnXcKryptid exactly at least give me a choice if I want to get butt fucked by a 1000 zombies running at the speed of mock Jesus or just have a fun time
Not to mention buying all the perks and spawning with any gun
@@jonahprescott8378 and if you do the super ee “progression” is basically nonexistent with no way of turning it off :/
Anyone knows if this game will have local coop?
Online only 😊
oh god why did you showcase vanguard when discussing shi no numa
I didn't have any waw shi no numa footage on my hard drive okay don't bully me 😭
@@CatCrossed bro had to pull out Gli Nu Guba footage 😭
6:40 adds now wtf
Two words
Die Rise
Zombies fans can never be happy with anything
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are you stupid, Die rise isn't a hard map it's just bad. Awful design, random perks with the stupid elevator system, and a very glitchy environment.
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Bro what? And btw did you watch the vid ? Not way you watched this vid and your conclusion was zombies fans can’t be happy with anything also die rise is a trash map😂 most ppl don’t like that map just like most ppl don’t like tranzit there are maps that ppl don’t like bud I don’t think that’s the zombies fans not being able to be happy with anything
It’s kinda hard to come up with a proper solution to the whole difficulty problem
Getting a high round in the older games is just running around using traps and infinite damage wonder weapons (Which gets really boring after a while)
Newer zombies just has zombies running at impossible speeds and they do even more damage the higher the rounds.
There is no winning here.
If you don't like the new style don't play it you are not forced to play it play another game or stay on your old boring zombies cold war style is staying get used to it
Random ass people who have never played zombies can hit round 50 first try.
Cold Snore style 💤ombies is the boring version.
@@ronald6563 that's your opinion and luckily for you there's alot of old call of dutys you can go back to and enjoy that style there's no need to cry about cold war or bo6 just play a different game not everything is about you crying kids
@@jayt4655 people “crying” over a terrible product is called criticism. Something that companies need to receive to understand what their audience does and does not enjoy.
but you’re right, the target audience clearly isn’t me anymore. It’s more for smooth brain bundle-buyers
@@jayt4655 we have a retard npc here who happily gives his money to activision every year and accepts any slop he gets
@@ronald6563 cold war zombies more people played that then the old garbage classic boring style and yes the new style is for more players which means it will stay for good I'm glad you notice the new style isn't for you anymore u can always enjoy other games I don't like mp since bo4 sbmm ruined mp for me but I just stopped playing it and played other games I never cried about it like a entitled baby
8:32 Liberty Balls, "he said the thing!"
14:36 ya. Cuz BO4 fucking suuuuuucks