Donald Sadoway: The missing link to renewable energy

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
  • www.ted.com What's the key to using alternative energy, like solar and wind? Storage -- so we can have power on tap even when the sun's not out and the wind's not blowing. In this accessible, inspiring talk, Donald Sadoway takes to the blackboard to show us the future of large-scale batteries that store renewable energy. As he says: "We need to think about the problem differently. We need to think big. We need to think cheap."
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  • @andrewheffel928
    @andrewheffel928 4 года назад +3

    I Googled it, the liquid metal battery company's name is Ambri, and they are still developing their batteries. They had a serious problem with the high temperature battery seals and have had to invent a new chemistry for their batteries. The new chemistry is less expensive than the old one, and they project the cost of a commercial battery facility using their process will cost five times less than a lithium ion battery facility of the same size. They hope to have a working unit in 2020. They are still alive.

  • @Deqster
    @Deqster 4 года назад +166

    This Ted talk needs a "where are they now" episode

    • @dianewallace6064
      @dianewallace6064 4 года назад +3

      So true!!!

    • @globalmuffin2
      @globalmuffin2 4 года назад

      lmao :)))

    • @gerrymcguire2648
      @gerrymcguire2648 4 года назад +9

      Right here. www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190923005201/en/%C2%A0NEC-Develop-Energy-Storage-Systems-Cells-Ambri

    • @rhelmcintyre5344
      @rhelmcintyre5344 4 года назад +2

      Yes, where are they? I only stumbled onto this today. Everyone going on about Wind farms and other renewables and no mention of this. Certainly a worthwhile alternative to others being spruiked.

    • @rhelmcintyre5344
      @rhelmcintyre5344 4 года назад

      @@gerrymcguire2648 Thanks Gerry

  • @meagain2222
    @meagain2222 5 лет назад +3

    A forty foot shipping container for every 200 homes sounds super expensive.Antimony is
    almost run out of supply.And all those batteries in a container would melt them selves.
    My favorite is pumped water storage.This is cheap efficient and can match loads easily.
    Capital cost is high but operating costs are very very low.

    • @lordfnord5768
      @lordfnord5768 5 лет назад

      Nothing is "almost run out of supply." Do you know how much seawater there is in the world. Me neither, but lots.
      Use of the word "shortage" without a price should be a Federal felony.

  • @aldoileanumeliber
    @aldoileanumeliber 2 года назад +1

    I could listen to this man for days. Wonderful way of speaking and presenting the matter.

  • @bjorndyno2175
    @bjorndyno2175 5 лет назад +27

    We are now in the last quarter of 2019. Where are the batteries???

    • @garybrown9719
      @garybrown9719 4 года назад

      Tied up

    • @blahdelablah
      @blahdelablah 4 года назад +3

      Ambri partnered with NEC in September 2019 to start producing their batteries at higher scale. Technologies like this take a long time to come to the market, but I'm seeing this deal as a positive sign that they're still on the right track.

    • @yabincheng4171
      @yabincheng4171 6 месяцев назад

      the battery is mainly for industry use due to the high temperature requirement. Its advantage over lithium battery is on number of life cycle health retenation, and larger power.

  • @rebeccasabino6897
    @rebeccasabino6897 3 года назад +3

    the audience should have laughed more when he was naming the parts like why did it fit so perfectly!

  • @bitelogger
    @bitelogger 4 года назад +3

    This guy fire me like a star, has passion, determination, knowledge man we need More people like him to improve the world!!!

  • @yeetirosina
    @yeetirosina 3 года назад

    I came here from school. There was a newspaper assignment where we were supposed to read an article about better batteries. We were supposed to find the main ideas. I saw it say something about Don Sadoway having a few TED Talks. I recently watched some TED Talks, so I knew I should come here.

  • @duncanwallace7760
    @duncanwallace7760 9 лет назад +8

    What a great approach to one of the major issues the world faces today. It certainly sounds like a battery like no other. Presumably these batteries would be industrial rather than the sort you might have in your home, given the high temperatures needed, but maybe they could be part of new home designs somehow. Look forward to hearing how they develop!

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

      You're right. These are specifically targeting grid scale electrical energy storage. They may not be practical for home rooftop solar, and definitely not for electric vehicles. think of this in the same category as redox flow batteries.

    • @michaeledwards2251
      @michaeledwards2251 Год назад +1

      Articulated lorries and heavy vehicles are potential candidates: they would withstand the very high cycling rates needed.

  • @ThePintoAce
    @ThePintoAce 12 лет назад +2

    Its pretty crazy how much technology has changed things. Aluminum being as precious as silver is a huge understatement. At one point it was even more valuable than gold.

  • @jimstandish9103
    @jimstandish9103 10 лет назад +303

    This video is 2.5 years old. Where are the batteries??????

    • @najibyarzerachic
      @najibyarzerachic 9 лет назад +15

      it is here www.iflscience.com/technology/new-liquid-metal-battery-will-make-renewables-competitive

    • @bugs181
      @bugs181 9 лет назад +35

      Most technology take on average 5 to 10 years to even become public consumer products from development. I feel that the rising energy needs have expedited this process. Only 2.5 years in and they have already released their findings to the public. Pretty good if you ask me. Where this technology will really shine is high energy demands for things like solar, wind, or other renewable energies for homes and big businesses. This technology won't have much use in mobile fields.

    • @Bloated_Tony_Danza
      @Bloated_Tony_Danza 9 лет назад +2

      bugs181 Cars didnt, after people saw (and heard) automobiles for the first time, everyone wanted one and it just took off ever scince. Cars back then were dangerous, slow and clumsy. Eventually they even had lead in the fuel and people STILL paid for them.

    • @bugs181
      @bugs181 9 лет назад +10

      Ilir Kumi Actually, it's not well known that the first automobiles were invented far before they become popularized. The first propelled steam automobile was invented in the 1700's.
      It's true that cars back then were dangerous, however that still holds true today. Fun Fact: You're far more likely to get into an automobile accident than in any other mode of transportation, including walking through a high crime neighborhood.
      My point was also not directed to any one technology specifically. That's generally how long it takes for technology to go from the lab to becoming consumer products. Some more, some less.

    • @santiagoval9899
      @santiagoval9899 9 лет назад +5

      according to Ambri's website, they are testing some batteries in 2015 and, if everything works fine, expect to have a commercial "for all" product by 2016

  • @NathansHVAC
    @NathansHVAC 9 лет назад +50

    I'm no expert on this, but I would guess some of the complexities are: 1) Molten salt is highly corrosive. The correct stainless alloy needs to be selected and tested for the container. 2) How do you handle thermal expansion/contraction? You can't exactly have air bubbles in there. 3) One of the toughest engineering challenges for any design is low price. You can't throw a bunch of exotic nickle based metals at this problem for the container. 4) How do you re-heat to a molten state?
    This is why no one thought of it before. At first glimps, the problem looks very hard and expensive to solve. Also, size matters very much. Heat content is a product of volume which is a cubic exponent. Cooling is a product of area, which is a square. The volume needs to be sufficiently large so that the heat loss thru the case is minimal compared to power. This is why the ocean takes millions of years to change temperature compared to a glass of water. You are never going to see liquid metal AA cells. They would cool down in seconds.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад +6

      NathansHVAC Your thoughts show a level of understanding that the man in the street does not have.

    • @dranin09
      @dranin09 8 лет назад +8

      +NathansHVAC 1) Use layers of ceramic that is naturally non-reactive to corrosive materials, outside layers can be stainless alloy 2) Because the battery runs at 700 degrees the expansion and contraction is limited 3) ceramics and the materials used in the battery are abundant and relatively cheap (at this industry scale, when compared to conventional techniques) 4) the process is reversed

    • @yahyakhan9745
      @yahyakhan9745 6 лет назад +4

      Bottom line:
      The reduced operating temperature (and hence, cost) simplifies the design and extends the battery’s working life, without compromising its desirable performance characteristics. The antimony produces a high operating voltage, and the system returns about 70 percent of the power that’s put into it. Also, testing has shown that after a decade of daily charging and discharging, the system should retain 85 percent of its initial efficiency.
      Sadoway tells Nature that a large-scale, molten-metal unit might cost around $500 per kilowatt-hour of electricity produced. “Now we understand that liquid metals bond in ways that we didn’t understand before,” he adds in a news release. The team is looking into other metal combinations that might provide even lower-temperature, lower-cost, and higher-performance systems.

    • @mikehillsgrove1612
      @mikehillsgrove1612 6 лет назад +5

      No stainless is involved. Ceramics are require for the casings. Expansion is calculated and sufficient room left at the top
      Heating to temperature requires the input of electricity during the 2 phase charging process.

    • @Dr_Xyzt
      @Dr_Xyzt 6 лет назад +1

      How do you feel about using concentrated solar light to make chemical fuel?
      That's what I'm studying, and it seems like a really practical solution for our farm equipment and trucks.

  • @royanaderi7340
    @royanaderi7340 4 года назад +5

    Lets "Invent" our way out the old-fashioned American way. I love his practical and analytical mind process.

  • @ristekostadinov2820
    @ristekostadinov2820 3 года назад +1

    Im happy that he never give up even 8 years after this TED talk. I hope the project with TerraScale will be succssesful.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 3 года назад

      He didn't give up because he is still making money from this.

    • @hetaeramancer
      @hetaeramancer 3 года назад

      watch his lectures at MIT about solid state chemistry, they're gold

  • @rob87raine
    @rob87raine 10 лет назад +23

    This talk is full of optimism and promise, the kind of thing you need to keep attracting research funding. Of course you try to use cheap materials, that's nothing new that's just how to maximize profits! Prof Sadoway makes it sound like it's problem solved here and that they have found the perfect battery chemistry but magnesium-antimony isn't cheap. Actually, a year later they publish a research paper saying that further research is needed both to overcome "enormous challenges" in this becoming economic, and also to explore "rich , new battery chemistries". Don't get me wrong, I wish him the best of luck but there is a race on for energy storage technologies, and it seems that thermal energy storage has many advantages over batteries: for example, allowing offices to run electric chillers at night to produce ice and move their electricity demand for cooling away from peak times. There are also power generators that can switch the balance between heat and power production at short notice without compromising efficiency in order to help balance intermittency through storing hot water in heat networks in countries that have them like Denmark.

    • @drury2d8
      @drury2d8 7 лет назад

      Three years on, couldnt agree more.

    • @voxelmaniam
      @voxelmaniam 6 лет назад

      Nuks are a good example of where your hypothesis fails. They went from non-existent to disrupting in 4 years.

    • @JodBronson
      @JodBronson 5 лет назад

      OK, this was in 2012. I just saw an Video and he updated that it will be on the Market in about 3 Years.... 2012+2018+3= 9 Years.... So it's 6+ Years so far.... We have to wait 3 more years! :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Here is the Video: ruclips.net/video/ImqmMOkANgg/видео.html

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

      Magnesium seems pretty readily available, but what about Antimony? In deep cycle lead acid batteries, antimony is used as an alloy in the grids of the plates. Only about 5%. that amounts to about 2% of the overall materials in a finished lead acid battery. This battery uses 100 percent antimony as one of its electrodes. That's a lot!

  • @billderinbaja3883
    @billderinbaja3883 6 лет назад +1

    This TED talk was 6.5 years ago... where are we now with this technology?

  • @MohamedAnsari_H
    @MohamedAnsari_H 3 года назад +36

    Thumbs up if you came here after watching Real Engineering.

  • @jfausset
    @jfausset 11 лет назад +1

    You are correct, sir. Entropy is the killer. It is inevitable, but can be delayed. Conceptually and principally, the problem we have is more of a consumption problem. The common person is not motivated to change that, though. I think this presenter is right to try to improve storage, but to your point, much more should be done to reduce consumption, and to teach people how to capture it at points of application (houses, buildings, cars) in low-cost, simple ways.

  • @MatthewGraham027
    @MatthewGraham027 10 лет назад +4

    One of the most important issues today. I hope you succeed Dr. Sadoway.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 7 лет назад +2

      HE IS SUCCEEDING. He is getting very rich!

  • @ik04
    @ik04 12 лет назад

    This is how all TED talks should be! Chalkboards and hard science rather than fruity ideas and bogus emotional pleas... Verbally documenting an actual scientific experiment is much more entertaining than listening to mere words. Adding a great speaker is icing on the cake!

  • @duniayangbaru
    @duniayangbaru 10 лет назад +5

    Science as that simple.! All brother and sister around the world, welcome to a new era of renewable energy.

  • @vascoribeiro69
    @vascoribeiro69 5 лет назад

    That has been done in Portugal for more than 40 years. It is called gravitional potencial energy (GPE). In the hours when you have low consumption, at night and weekends, this energy is pumped upstream in a reservoir, to be used latter when needed. In first place was to be used by energy produced by thermal coal plants that could not be stopped, now it uses all the excess energy in the grid. This let us to have days only on renewable energy.

  • @MmmCouchPotato
    @MmmCouchPotato 12 лет назад +6

    "And the way he structured this presentation!"
    Honestly curious, how did he structure it?

  • @paulbooth2608
    @paulbooth2608 4 года назад +1

    2020 .... So where are we with this? an up date Video would be well received Professor.

    • @soylentgreenb
      @soylentgreenb 3 года назад

      Not really anywhere. As far as I can tell, despite a $50 million investment by Bill Gates and some others, they seem to have only a single order for a 250 MWh calcium-antimony system that they haven't delivered yet, plus a bunch of glossy PDFs on their homepage (ambri).

  • @coal2710
    @coal2710 6 лет назад +5

    "The electricity powering the lights in this theater was generated moments ago."
    Electricity is a type of energy and most of the electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels. They release chemical energy and in power plants we first transform it to mechanical, then with generators to electricity. Most of the power plants don't store energy. They send along transmission lines as it is generated, but is not stored. That's why he is right.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

      correction: a moment ago. Electricity travels quite quickly. Moments, in this context, are measured in micro seconds!

  • @frankblangeard8865
    @frankblangeard8865 4 года назад

    Very nice advertisement for the privately owned company Ambri Inc. (formerly LMBC). As of 2019 it is still in the development stage and expects to start high volume manufacturing from partner production facilities in 2023.

  • @AjayTiwari-rw9nm
    @AjayTiwari-rw9nm 5 лет назад +27

    More than 7 years now.What happened to these batteries?

    • @Zajebancije
      @Zajebancije 5 лет назад +3

      He keeps saying "i made...., I made,...." so, where is this battery YOU made?

    • @blahdelablah
      @blahdelablah 4 года назад +4

      Search online for Ambri. The technology is still being developed.

    • @glasslinger
      @glasslinger 4 года назад +1

      Ajay:
      Taxpayer subsidies disappeared when the TRUE cost of the system became known!

  • @chuckkottke
    @chuckkottke 4 года назад

    I think the answer is a convergence of efficiency of buildings, business, transportation with new storage devices, making renewable doable. I like the concept, but wish we could make do using more common elements (how common is antimony?)..

  • @yesanything4668
    @yesanything4668 8 лет назад +34

    Next step: capture lightning and store it!

    • @lightshipchief
      @lightshipchief 4 года назад +3

      I have a can of light. Every time I look in the can it is still there.

    • @pip0109
      @pip0109 4 года назад

      aka Black Magic

  • @jackliu6027
    @jackliu6027 5 лет назад

    No commercial products after 7 years with such a straightforward and simple design? How many hours have your team been working?

  • @Fusselwurmify
    @Fusselwurmify 12 лет назад +7

    Asking the big G for "liquid metal battery" showed me this: (wikipedia) Sodium-sulfur batteries.
    with ~160MW installed on wind farms inJapan

  • @makesolarpanelstored
    @makesolarpanelstored 10 лет назад +2

    thank you very much for explaining it well.... learning more about renewable is amazing..

  • @lepantzeus1
    @lepantzeus1 8 лет назад +6

    Rather than trying to store electricity, we should store water. A water reservoir can store water either from natural water flows or pumped up a grade and then release the water when energy when needed.

    • @424io
      @424io 8 лет назад

      small town prerequisite: dig a hole large enough for to be filled with rain showers, then and only then may this town be acknowledged Into the state.

    • @424io
      @424io 8 лет назад

      : Inventor of AC. A man 90% responsible for our way of life. The person that could have but is still somehow propelling us into the future, exponential bounds at a time.

    • @revan6614
      @revan6614 8 лет назад

      +lepantzeus1 Hydroelectric power is extremely inefficient and takes up such a massive amount of space to produce such a low energy output.

    • @lepantzeus1
      @lepantzeus1 8 лет назад +1

      +Ryan Kenway True, but hydroelectric reservoirs also provide reliable water supplies for homes, businesses, manufacturing and agriculture as well as recreation, in addition to reliable electrical power.
      The fundamental problem with solar and wind energy is that they aren't reliable. Solar can't work at night. Wind can't work on a still day. Hydroelectric provides both water and power, reliably. If you want biofuel crops, reliable water supplies are critical. ;-)

  • @crisantoibarra1573
    @crisantoibarra1573 4 года назад +1

    This video is almost 8 years old. Is this battery now commercialy produced? Even just in US?

  • @kk1993kk
    @kk1993kk 9 лет назад +18

    The video is quite old. Would love to see the product being used in real life. Where is it?

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад +6

      Kristiāns Karlsons It doesn't exist and won't come out as a product. Colleges use scams like this to get funding. 99% of funding goes down the drain.

    • @McMurchie
      @McMurchie 9 лет назад +4

      jimstand Does kind of come across that way, a bit too much theatrics.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад +3

      Adam -亚当- It is ALL theatrics. There is nothing even close to a product. It is all about getting more money to do the "research".

    • @McMurchie
      @McMurchie 9 лет назад +2

      jimstand Yea its a sad state of affairs that they have to resort to theatrics and deception to get cash for 'science'

    • @sqeye
      @sqeye 9 лет назад +6

      Kristiāns Karlsons notice how everything is "I" this "I" that. Not my team. Not our industry.

  • @Carnutzjoe
    @Carnutzjoe 7 лет назад +1

    There needs to be a RUclips setting to screen outdated videos.

  • @andraslibal
    @andraslibal 5 лет назад +7

    The problems with the batteries is the same as with solar and wind: energy density.

    • @hariseldon3786
      @hariseldon3786 4 года назад

      reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/

    • @haliax8149
      @haliax8149 4 года назад

      @@hariseldon3786 You've pointed to a horribly inefficient and expensive installation.

    • @garybarbourii8274
      @garybarbourii8274 4 года назад

      That's only a problem for mobile applications. The power grid does everything big, so a battery the size of a shipping container is no issue at all, if it works

  • @Viracocha711
    @Viracocha711 12 лет назад

    This was not a formal speech at a scientific convention this was a speech to the general public...BIG DIFFERENCE! This was a spectacular TED Talk as far as TED Talks go & that is why it has overwhelming praise! Having said that, your comment suggest you did not listen in terms of whether this is a reality he showed in great detail what he has already achieved & where he intends to go...Watch the talk again all the way to the end.

  • @VIIflegias
    @VIIflegias 8 лет назад +5

    12:29 ok, let's see: 16 inches, meaning 4 dm. volume of device: 2^2*3.14= 12 dm^2. the height seem to be slightly more than half the radius, like 1.2-1.3 dm, so volume=15 dm^3 more or less, or 15L. meaning that the Volumetric energy density is 1000Wh / 15L = 67 Wh/L. for a lithium-ion battery it would be 250 to 620 Wh/L so best case scenario it's 4 times less energy packed (per unit volume). not the greatest but if it's scalable and versatile enough it doesn't really matter. we have twice as much anthimony as we have lithium, so that's something.
    i'd like to know how reversible it is though, and how difficult it is to keep the phases separated, not to mention charge loss at rest (self discharge), i can't imagine this construct being too good at actually storing energy for long periods of time.

    • @musaran2
      @musaran2 6 лет назад

      Energy density does not matter much for stationary batteries. Price is where it's at.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

      The question is how many kWh per Kg can this store, compared to lithium? This might need many more times the antimony to store a unit of energy than lithium. I don't have the numbers. but that doesn't matter. As much energy storage as we need as a nation, NO technology is off the table. Think terawatt hours. I don't think there's enough of any resource, for any one technology to meet the demand by itself. We need everything we can get our hands on!

  • @TheLivirus
    @TheLivirus 12 лет назад +2

    Wow, this guy is damn proud of his invention. He should be! Thank you Donald Sadoway and involved students for making our future look a bit brighter! :)

  • @idesofmarchUNIAEA
    @idesofmarchUNIAEA 4 года назад +3

    6:26 I like your concept of liquid salt, however I would use a thorium molten salt reactor to produce electricity.
    Only because that, there would be byproducts, that would be more valuable.
    Molybdenum 99 for cancer therapies and cancer research, xenon for interstellar space travel, excess heat for water desalinization, etc.
    your plan produces none of these byproducts.
    Build a model, too many moving parts, in concept to production. The field application is brilliant. However, for mass consumption, mass generation is workable. In my model you just have thorium reactors on a grid, the grid sends power to where it is necessary. In your model mining, manufacturing, and distribution of your batteries is too many moving parts. Military and government applications, need your battery.

    • @willjones8591
      @willjones8591 4 года назад

      Awesome! Puzzling to me why nuclear power isn't more widely used.

  • @awdrifter3394
    @awdrifter3394 Год назад +2

    It's been 11 years and this battery still haven't hit the market.

  • @twelvewingproductions7508
    @twelvewingproductions7508 6 лет назад +6

    Great closing line.
    Unfortunately these batteries didn't pan out.
    My guess is that there are too many differences between the way these batteries work and the way more standard solutions work.
    The biggest hole that I found in this is the idea that these batteries would be used for short term. Basically as a capacitor, it is used only for brief periods when it is not being charged.
    The problem there is that a battery in it's penultimate form would take a charge and be able to keep that charge for weeks or even years.
    This battery can't continue to operate long without input. How long I don't know.. but something has to keep it hot. My guess is that "something" is electricity. There is no free lunch here.
    Molten salt "batteries" are already in use in a more pure form.. solar to to heat. My guess is that doing it that way is many orders of magnitude more efficient for short term storage than the idea he presented.
    When I was first seeing this video, I thought he was talking about a flow battery. In a flow battery, electricity is used to plate zinc. When called for, the Zinc is allowed to lift off the plate back into solution.. creating electricity.
    Elegant, fairly simple. The problem with flow batteries is the mass. You don't get a whole lot of current per plate, so you need a lot of them to provide useful power. But it IS possible.
    Anyway, I did enjoy the final quote. That part is true and worthy no matter if the idea panned out or not. Sometimes we do things because it's worth while to try them.

    • @andrewlechner6343
      @andrewlechner6343 2 года назад +2

      Seems they did pan out or are at least extremely likely to. They achieved certification last month and will likely ship product to their first commercial customer this year. They also seem to have changed their company name to Ambri as well.

    • @seachemistry
      @seachemistry Год назад

      They did work out, Ambri is the rebrand they have more staff than ever and have been certified.

  • @youmeandeveryone5893
    @youmeandeveryone5893 4 года назад +1

    What is the final battery composition??? Why he didn't tell it?
    Where's the company?

  • @plazachiconcuac
    @plazachiconcuac 4 года назад +4

    I am in 2020. Interesting. Is there an update on the matter?

  • @jimstand
    @jimstand 4 года назад

    I have been following this video for more than 5 years now. It is a total of 8 years since this Ted talk. Where are the batteries? A press release and a fancy website does not count.

  • @adsensedd
    @adsensedd 5 лет назад +74

    2019, still no batteries. There are clearly issues with his theoretical batteries.

    • @r.m8146
      @r.m8146 5 лет назад +3

      That's not how technology works paw, the research is still ongoing.

    • @mskogly
      @mskogly 5 лет назад +1

      How can they get grants if they actually deliver?

    • @DigitalAgeInstitute
      @DigitalAgeInstitute 4 года назад

      @samdee pride What did this have to do with that the batteries are still not there?

    • @hariseldon3786
      @hariseldon3786 4 года назад

      Wrong - huge battery in South Australia supplied by Tesla. Works really well. reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/

    • @georgebartholemew8444
      @georgebartholemew8444 4 года назад

      I never saw any research that didn't have "hiccups". We need to cooperate.

  • @vincentrobinette1507
    @vincentrobinette1507 5 лет назад

    Not counting the heat to maintain cell temperature, what is the round trip efficiency of this battery, compared to pumped hydro and other forms of grid scale electrical energy storage. What is the cycle life of the cells? Cycle life is every bit as important to the levelized cost of stored energy, as the initial commissioning cost. I haven't heard anything in the last 6-1/2 years. Another fascinating idea was flywheels in a vacuum, suspended on magnetic bearings. they installed a prototype system, but they went bankrupt. We really need to bring some of these solutions to fruition!!

  • @brettb9194
    @brettb9194 6 лет назад +7

    Seven years, no sign... if alt energy worked, it wouldn't be alt energy.

    • @MrSpiker26
      @MrSpiker26 4 года назад +1

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93sulfur_battery

  • @OhManTFE
    @OhManTFE 12 лет назад +1

    Wow, this was a fantastic talk. Innovative, informative, and humorous.

  • @jimstand
    @jimstand 9 лет назад +32

    It has been more than 3 years since this speech. We were supposed to have something in 2014. Nothing!!
    Maybe next year. Or the year after that, or the year after that, or the year..........

    • @yuvarajaas2531
      @yuvarajaas2531 9 лет назад +1

      jimstand They are making progress. Refer to the link www.ambri.com/
      It may take quite some time to come into large scale commercial production.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад

      Yuvarajaa S When? When? This is nothing more than a money hole.

    • @littleheath1666
      @littleheath1666 9 лет назад +1

      Tesla's batteries have arrived .

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад +2

      Philip Hunter Calling something "Tesla's batteries" does not make them so.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 9 лет назад +3

      Thien Dinh Next year, it is always next year.

  • @pip0109
    @pip0109 4 года назад

    Nice for the grid-level storage! However there is the fundamental problem with renewables: they dont scale in size and price as in the case of his design (dirty cheap and container size) battery. Search fro energy-density. However, we can down scale atomic energy. The possibility to change output form atomic is something I cannot vouch fpr, but my understanding is that he is incorrect. Currently atomic is the buffer renewables require on a grid level, exactly because they reliably can respond to difference in demand.

  • @CK-fq9lk
    @CK-fq9lk 10 лет назад +8

    Hahaha you gotta love his sense of humor 😂😂

  • @LDeVaud
    @LDeVaud 12 лет назад +1

    Right, but wouldn't that require that the battery always be connected? (Is there current inside a disconnected battery? I googled the question, and nothing popped up immediately) And for that matter, how do you start the battery up? Presumably after shipping it would be solid. Heat it? How?

  • @stevenator0281
    @stevenator0281 8 лет назад +5

    This guy rules!

  • @whereeveritgoes
    @whereeveritgoes 12 лет назад +1

    "We are not gonna BOMB our way out."

  • @drjukebox
    @drjukebox 6 лет назад +7

    There hasn't been any real breakthroughs in battery chemistry the last one hundred years. In packaging and manufacturing yes, but we still have only the same basic technology.
    This guys major talent is probably fund raising, going on for eight years now with no product. A lot of that going on in the battery business.

  • @GASmotorsports
    @GASmotorsports 12 лет назад

    As a substation electrician apprentice the heat these things generate makes me nervous as it pertains to maintenance. Wont this thing demand a hell of an inverter? if you put one of these in every wind and solar generation yard are you suggesting we produce the power in dc? What is the projected life of this battery?
    As a Conceptually this talk is on point but it leaves me with so many questions technically.

  • @aniksamiurrahman6365
    @aniksamiurrahman6365 5 лет назад +14

    Wow! Professor Sadoway is a great motivational speaker! I bet he makes his students work to death(with passion) LOL!

    • @46monkeyes
      @46monkeyes 4 года назад

      Anik Samiur Rahman
      Were you one of his students at MIT?

  • @236Mars
    @236Mars 5 лет назад +1

    Great job Professor. I think you and your team will crack this soon...

  • @D3mi4n
    @D3mi4n 12 лет назад +52

    "we are going to invent it... the american way"
    5 seconds later
    "the battery was invented by an italian"

    • @jamesmorton7881
      @jamesmorton7881 4 года назад +4

      YOU know, outsource it. Learn Chinese, get a good job. DUMP TRUMP NOW.

    • @genelakenetau
      @genelakenetau 4 года назад +3

      And made in China

    • @MrGonzonator
      @MrGonzonator 3 года назад +1

      He's Canadian

    • @TheAwesomefunny
      @TheAwesomefunny 3 года назад +3

      Lol isnt that the american way? Get the smartest people from all around the world and get them to build stuff as "American products"

    • @michaelgonzalez9058
      @michaelgonzalez9058 2 года назад +1

      Don sadaway teach us electronics addition &
      Division technology
      Simply multiplication

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ 12 лет назад +1

    Great talk. The problem is your locally-sourced dirt-cheap magnesium costs around a buck per pound and antimony actually costs a few bucks per pound and uses Chinese ore:P

  • @Wilburinsky
    @Wilburinsky 8 лет назад +15

    I honestly dont understand the opposition to renewable energy. Beyond the obvious beneficial environmental impacts, we complain about the economy(which is actually doing just fine) but anyways I have to imagine an energy infrastructure overhaul on a national scale would be a colossal economic stimulant. You would have large quantities of engineers, technicians, construction workers, and everybody else associated gainfully employed. Im totally open and curious to feedback about the opposition to renewable cleaner energy. I just honestly dont understand it

    • @theultimatereductionist7592
      @theultimatereductionist7592 8 лет назад

      +Will Parsons Agreed with everything else you said, but the economy is doing terribly.
      I and my friends are paid less now ($8 an hour) compared to what we made in the 1980s: $14 an hour.

    • @brettrasmussen413
      @brettrasmussen413 8 лет назад +1

      +Will Parsons Will, there was a time when I used to share your enthusiasm for so called renewable energy, the problem with wind and solar etc is different depending who you are talking to, some argue against the economics, others against the clean label given to them, both of these arguments are quite valid I think, but for me it boils down to NET ENERGY. That is, the energy "profit" of the technology after a thorough accounting for all the energy inputs to deploy and maintain it for it's complete life cycle. Net energy is a concept that should be front and centre in any discussion of energy production but sadly it is usually not considered at all. In the case of wind and solar, net energy is way too low to run a techno-industrial-consumer culture like the one we have running right now.

    • @dranin09
      @dranin09 8 лет назад +2

      +brett rasmussen It is not considered because Net-energy does not account for the limitations (abundance, effect on the environment) of the resource that is consumed. If we wanted the highest 'net-energy' we would still be digging up local coal for coalplants.

    • @merc340sr
      @merc340sr 8 лет назад +1

      +Will Parsons Try cost. Plain and simple. Renewable energy will never gain widespread public acceptance until it can be shown to be a more cost effective alternative to fossil fuels. Maybe this could happen in 20-50 years. But it hasn't happened yet.

    • @bobsaturday4273
      @bobsaturday4273 7 лет назад

      Will Parsons whats to understand ? any threat to the status quo of the huge gouging and profits . the dumbing down of the public with antiquated technology promoted and innovation suppressed is also key in controlling the minds of stupid oppulent masses of sheeple

  • @Galactis1
    @Galactis1 5 лет назад

    What are the deminishing returns? How long does the metals take to degrade, how long does a specified output stay high enough until it's need to be replaced.

  • @scottbros6368
    @scottbros6368 5 лет назад +16

    March 2012 preaching a new battery??
    February 2019...where is this magical battery???????

    • @bartoszbarejko1585
      @bartoszbarejko1585 5 лет назад +1

      This liqiude metal is not good Technology. I am starting soon with 90 % H2O2 Batteries in Graphene.

    • @bradhaaf4749
      @bradhaaf4749 5 лет назад +1

      Found it, though different chemistry. www.forbes.com/sites/natalieparletta/2019/04/03/new-thermal-battery-could-be-a-game-changer-for-storing-renewable-energy/#48ab080d4f95

    • @hariseldon3786
      @hariseldon3786 4 года назад

      reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/

  • @bob15479
    @bob15479 5 лет назад +2

    How efficient are these? Sounds like a lot of heat is lost.

  • @valhala56
    @valhala56 8 лет назад +11

    It's 2016, four years from the date of this video. So where are the liquid batteries?

    • @valhala56
      @valhala56 8 лет назад

      +valhala56
      This guy reminds me of Howie Mandel. Also where is the battery he promised?

    • @derkukk
      @derkukk 8 лет назад

      +valhala56 Bad economy happened: fortune.com/2015/09/11/liquid-metal-battery-layoffs/

    • @_A_D_
      @_A_D_ 8 лет назад +2

      Bill Gates happened.

    • @cornstar1253
      @cornstar1253 6 лет назад

      The men in black took them/sarc

    • @grendelum
      @grendelum 6 лет назад

      ruclips.net/video/4OHstY_kKUY/видео.html A different, but totally viable and consumer ready, liquid battery.

  • @justgivemethetruth
    @justgivemethetruth 12 лет назад

    Better for storing large amounts of energy, like capacity on the electrical grid. If a power plant can run at it's maximum efficiency and have it's ouput stored say during off-peak hours, it means that we do not need to build extra power plants to create supply for peak times. It's a bit like the battery in a hybrid car, the engine runs efficiently to charge the battery so the electric motor can tap that energy and varying rates when it needs to, so the gas engine does not have to be wasteful.

  • @robertebersold3817
    @robertebersold3817 4 года назад +7

    I wonder if Elon Musk watched this video....

  • @kanmacdre2734
    @kanmacdre2734 4 года назад

    There are several problems with solar energy:
    1. It takes lots of energy and materials to produce, mount/erect and maintain a solar farm
    2. It requires lots of land space for large scale capacity power generation
    3. What do we do with the materials after the life expectancy of the panels have been realize?
    4. The underlying impact on wildlife.
    5. You will need LOTS of polluting batteries to store energy for re-use at peak time when the sun is down...

  • @albertjackson9236
    @albertjackson9236 5 лет назад +10

    This man appears to me to be more hype than true science & engineering.

    • @joemc111
      @joemc111 4 года назад

      Albert Jackson just another guy that ant got crap.

    • @beenn15
      @beenn15 3 года назад

      AMBRI

  • @kokopelli314
    @kokopelli314 12 лет назад

    These molten salt batteries have been around for a while. Some may remember experimental EV's with the ZEBRA battery, that used nickel and molten sodium aluminum chloride.
    Sill though, someone had to take the first step towards developing inexpensive storage, tailored for the grid. Lots of technical hurtles. I congratulate the whole team!

  • @EddieVBlueIsland
    @EddieVBlueIsland 4 года назад +3

    Now its 8 years where' s my flying car?

  • @voxac30withstrat
    @voxac30withstrat 4 года назад +1

    A bit of a heads up info for everyone or some ammo for your gun so to speak - Where I work we just installed $900Ks worth of solar panels. I worked closely with the project manager. I asked him how they work out how many panels and how to space them to achieve the required output. He answered that there is a world industry wide/universal set of calculations. So we worked out how many panels and how much area would be required to replace a standard 4 x 2000 megawatt generator power station. The answer is 20 million panels which will need 14,800+ square acres of land or wildlife habitat or farmland ( The aquisition of farmland which is currently happening in North Victoria and Southern NSW in Australia. Places like Corowa or Jindera for example).
    As for those bloody hideous windfarms, 24 were recently installed in a forest in Germany (yep thats right, a forest). 28,000 acres of trees were mowed down. When these things come to the end of their 10 year lives they are so incredibly expensive to pull down they leave them there instead. Oh dear what to do? Oh ok I know lets bulldoze more trees/farmland/wildlife habitat.
    About those solar panels, the VAST majority are made in China. If you buy the Tier 1 panels they may often last their 10 years of life. If you buy the Tier 2 and 3 you can expect around 2 years. However if you are smart you'll purchase the 10 year warranty. But wait - the chinese government which owns most of the companies making them are refusing to honour the warranties. Theres one minor (minor?) problem with the old solar panels - there are literally hundreds of thousands of them that they simply dont know how to dispose of.
    On another note - a question or two for the Extinction Rebellion people. If you're so concerned about animals being killed, why do we NEVER EVER see you lot protesting outside an halal slaughterhouse? AND..... whats your solution to introduced species like foxes and ESPECIALLY, cats killing of our native animals?
    Hey kids if you really care about the planet - protest on a weekend or holiday.

    • @btoga273
      @btoga273 6 месяцев назад

      then install the units on already deforested or urban areas. Your anecdotes are not an excuse for progress on liquid batteries. I’d like a solar panel on my roof and the current Lithium Ion solid batteries cost arm and leg and they are CRAP.

  • @Arnond35
    @Arnond35 10 лет назад +5

    Did he just add another step towards T-1000?

  • @marccawood
    @marccawood 3 года назад +1

    We got federal government funding... and built it without subsidy. Also the shotglass 1Wh is bigger than an 18650 LiIon Cell which has 5Wh.

    • @beenn15
      @beenn15 3 года назад

      it's research money....
      This isn't for your cell phone

  • @wesleycooper7159
    @wesleycooper7159 4 года назад +4

    I thought batteries came from Iraq in the middle east? The Bagdad batteries.

  • @yofinn86
    @yofinn86 12 лет назад

    Trees use a combination of principles which include transpiration due to difference in water potential in the ground/plant/air and the cohesive properties of the water molecule for it to transport water from root to leaf via the xylem. If that's not a serious question then please forgive me.

  • @brewmaster95060
    @brewmaster95060 10 лет назад +11

    the word average is dangerous
    PEAK usage is what I what to know

    • @dranin09
      @dranin09 8 лет назад +2

      +brewmaster95060 You can lower peak-usage because of batteries, 'averaging' out the usage. It's not dangerous it's math.

    • @jimstand
      @jimstand 3 года назад

      @@dranin09 And you don't understand the application of math to this problem.

  • @benkegustafsson
    @benkegustafsson 12 лет назад +2

    According to Wikipedia Antimony is a rare metal. Only 120 000 tonnes produced per year. Worse still, reserves at this rate last only 15 years. Dirt cheap material???

  • @RobertBeriault753
    @RobertBeriault753 6 лет назад +34

    The professor sounds more salesman-like than professorial.

    • @flightrisk7566
      @flightrisk7566 5 лет назад +5

      there is no contradiction between salesmanship and professionalism
      salesmen are practitioners of a profession

    • @LordDragon1965
      @LordDragon1965 5 лет назад +2

      He's both

    • @adamnilsson566
      @adamnilsson566 5 лет назад +4

      I feel like he mostly sounds enthusiastic about his and his students invention.

    • @stephenscherer21337
      @stephenscherer21337 5 лет назад +2

      My distaste for a talk increases each time the speaker uses the word "I"

    • @taunteratwill1787
      @taunteratwill1787 5 лет назад

      @@stephenscherer21337 The 'word' I ?

  • @Williraser
    @Williraser 12 лет назад +1

    what if there is no current going through the batterie, is it going to cool down and become solid because i think that would be a problem.
    good idea but not gonna happen if you could loose all your batteries just by 1 shortcut

  • @popifar
    @popifar 12 лет назад +6

    they had to invent their bombs first

  • @laxtose
    @laxtose 5 лет назад +1

    What about industry wide technology repression ?

  • @chapter4travels
    @chapter4travels 5 лет назад +3

    A giant battery would make wind and solar outrageously expensive.

  • @johnkang2000
    @johnkang2000 11 лет назад

    Well...I'm a 3rd year Photovoltaics Engg and Computer Science student, and I agree. Vast energy sources such as thorium and LFTR generations can make renewable energy seem redundant: it is so easy to say "hey, check this amazing new thing called LFTR" and so on and ignore the huge increase in efficiency and cost reduction in renewable energy technologies. Also, we need better energy storage regardless of which source we use anyway.

  • @sportbikeguy9875
    @sportbikeguy9875 4 года назад +3

    "were not going to conserve, drill or bomb our way out, we are going to do it the old fashioned American way" LOL how ironic....

  • @jamescockroft47
    @jamescockroft47 5 лет назад +1

    Why can't your projected time line for the liquid metal battery be sped up by at least two years? It is needed sooner! With proper
    financing this acceleration may actually be possible.

  • @Ctajm
    @Ctajm 5 лет назад +3

    7 years ago now. No batteries.

    • @r.m8146
      @r.m8146 5 лет назад +1

      news.mit.edu/2018/metal-mesh-membrane-rechargeable-batteries-renewable-energy-0122

  • @agnosticdeity4687
    @agnosticdeity4687 4 года назад

    8 years later... Still no liquid metal battery.
    What's wrong with using excess energy to raise a weight so that you have stored potential energy?I have heard that we already pump water up to a tank so that it can be released through a dynamo at a later date.

  • @gabel13
    @gabel13 8 лет назад +160

    this guy wears his watch over his shirt, can't trust him

    • @johnh7101
      @johnh7101 8 лет назад +6

      +Gabe Barouh How insightful of you. I agree with you, that's freaky and a little scary too.

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich 7 лет назад +3

      lol

    • @Channel4Nature
      @Channel4Nature 6 лет назад +7

      He want to save time

    • @WadcaWymiaru
      @WadcaWymiaru 6 лет назад

      What he talk suit him, not the clothes...

    • @qaz9258
      @qaz9258 6 лет назад +11

      An inventor thinks out side the box, the box that is completely imaginary. the boxy that says no^3. That one has to have his watch under his shirt is an imagined wall. It makes so much more sense to put the bulky and informative item over the thin constraining item.Thus another proof his thinking is not bound by others imagined limits. So you are are left in the dust with your lack of trust we are gaining trust to break this crust.

  • @jfausset
    @jfausset 11 лет назад

    His opening argument that the missing link in renewable energy is power storage is correct. The problem with his solution is that it relies on chemical reactions. It is becoming trite, but now we have the same power density as a common lead acid battery (60 W/L), due to graphene supercapacitor development. What he is talking about may have some really great applications, but for most applications, including grid storage, supercapacitors built with graphene will best this solution.

  • @TheJamescomiskey
    @TheJamescomiskey 11 лет назад +8

    THE GOOD OLD AMERICAN WAY GET PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES TO INVENT SOLUTIONS AND THEN BUY THEM!

  • @adracamas
    @adracamas 12 лет назад

    This is a spectacular step in the right direction. Interested in what temperatures they operate at.

  • @cancoteli9669
    @cancoteli9669 9 лет назад +8

    Thumbs up for 3.091 !!

  • @MasterFeiFongWong
    @MasterFeiFongWong 5 лет назад +1

    I have an idea for constant energy flow :) Imagine a bunch of water wheels positioned above each other, each one when spinning generates an electrical current not so unlike a wind mill does but with water. At the top is a big basin of water, as the water falls straight down it spins the water wheels generating electrical current. When it reaches the bottom their is another basin, but this one can be shaped some what like an up side down bowl and is slanted down so water flows into areas that are separate and in these areas the water is evaporated and then travels up tubes and back to the top where water re-condenses and falls back down. In these tubes the steam is traveling up through, there is a smaller tube coming down from the top and small windmill like contraptions protruding from it. The rising steam spins these small windmills and generates electrical current that travels through wires in the center of these inner tubes and can either be used for extra energy output or help to heat the bottom bassins or even the tubes themselves so the evaperated water stays evaperated all the way up. The energy to keep the bottom hot enough to evaporate water comes from as many of the water wheels spinning as needed. To get more energy output you just make the contraption taller with more water wheels, It will always only take so many wheels spinning to keep the water on bottom boiling so more wheels equals more energy output. The material in the top basin can be designed as a heat sink to help the water re condense into liquid form, if built correctly, so no water/steam escapes, it just keeps going and going utilizing natural forces to function. If the device was built inefficiently, in that water was escaping from it in small amounts over time. One could easily rectify this issue by attaching a device to the top of it that naturally gathers moisture (Water) from the air and releases it periodically into the system to replenish it. :) Now just add the proper electrical wiring and chargable baterries into its design so all the excess energy being perpetuated can be accessed from plugs on bottom and/or top of device and presto you got yourself free energy.(Free in the sense that you didnt pay for it :) Please share this Idea with Everyone. Signed Adam McKenzie Anderson
    Extra Note: If anyone uses my ideas for none profitable means great I hope it helps but if they are used to gain profit in any way I want 25% of anything that comes out of it. :) My EMail is starfire7654321@yahoo.com

  • @rickzw67
    @rickzw67 10 лет назад +10

    The entire renewable energy debate is distorted by politics and ideologues. Renewable energy is always refered to a a future CONCEPT. Greens believe the technology is here now, and the scientific community are dishonestly promoting this idea. The truth is cost effective renewable energy is decades away and the scientist need to convey this to impressionable young greens.

    • @xXxBladeStormxXx
      @xXxBladeStormxXx 10 лет назад +5

      We gotta start somewhere. These people are working hard and the next generation of scientists will build upon their knowledge and take renewable energy to the next level and this will continue. It's like when electricity was mainly used in "fun" demonstrations and industrial use of it was decades away. That didn't stop people like Faraday from giving their all to studying the subject and building generators and motors that now drive our entire economy. It's about the broader vision, narrow minded people wouldn't understand.

    • @location4898
      @location4898 10 лет назад

      save energy, turn off the fucking television and free your mind....

    • @rickzw67
      @rickzw67 10 лет назад +2

      location4898 Save energy locattion 4948 and turn your computer off and go live in Tasmania with with the other welfare recipients who live of dole payments generated from coal exports and other mining royalties. Greenies are the greatest two faced hypocrites in Australias history.

    • @location4898
      @location4898 10 лет назад +2

      Rick ZW
      go to tasmania would be very cool, there surely i avoid to read your delirious thoughts

    • @tycoon9201
      @tycoon9201 10 лет назад

      *Energy Technology*
      *Some of the most powerful content anywhere*
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  • @plartoo
    @plartoo 12 лет назад

    It wasn't quite clear from this video of how much the battery costs and why it'd be better (in terms of efficiency) and easier to maintain than regular ones. I'd assume if you have liquid metals involved, there's gotta be a pretty damn good way to contain them, and prevent them from spilling to the environment in case of accidents. Nevertheless, it's a worth shot at cracking the energy crisis.

  • @bonicanovas5131
    @bonicanovas5131 4 года назад +6

    This guy is so full of himself I could barely get through this :-(

  • @viktorpetrovart
    @viktorpetrovart 12 лет назад

    I'm glad to be living alongside such remarkable people.