Thanks for the video Rob, excellent as always! Can we also address how funny it is that the giant mangler Squig has less rend on its jaws than the giant Squig? 😂 Not to mention the Loonboss on foot being markedly tougher than his Squig riding variant*
I do like the thematic style of these rules. But it hurts when you have an army of a few squigs, a few trolls, a few spiders and some gitz. I’m sure I’m not the only army that feels like I’m going to need to push a unit type to be competitive
The armies should still be mixed. While you can take all trolls you loose on points games without hoppers/spiders/wolves to go do objectives and protect flanks, or wizards to teleport/ set up moon. Same for squigs, they can’t take the crack back and can be slow to revive so giving them a follow up anchor unit like trolls or shootas can help in the late game. You should build around the core you like and then take the other stuff to support it.
Looking at those traits youd just pick the one you take most of. So mostly squiggs? Takr squigg formation. Taking big blocks of gitz, take the goblin one. Only exception is the trogg one. Its really good and troggs are expensive so makes sense. But dont feel like you cant mix and match cause you can.
I was starting to get a bit worried about you. Last I heard you were feeling under the weather, then no posts for a while. I was hoping you weren't ill. Then BAM!!! What a legend! #DontCallItAComeback
Thank you Rob for this very complete review and the time stamps (thanks to @TheVardek13 as well below). A bit concerned about the Gitz, not only because of the MANY nerfs (although that needs to be put in comparison in the next edition and with other armies) but because most of warscrolls look duller. On top of that, it's like the numerous amount of feedbacks of players have not been taking in account. They kept D6 damages for some profiles (Troggboss, Fangs of Manglers) which is nonsense, spiders or snarlfangs still look crappy, Rabble-Rowza is still one of the biggest joke ever. Even at this early state, I see many warscrolls questionable and some of them will need EXTREMELY cheap point cost to be considered. Troggoths look more than fine, maybe because they haven't been nerf as hard as the rest. I love this part of the army, I just don't wish to see only them on tabletop. I still love this army and will continue to play it whatever happens and I hope my concerns are wrong !
Completely with you on this one. Firstly great review Rob, thanks. I'm a little gutted on the nerfs. It feels almost like the message is 'Take Trolls or have a harder time'. The manglers have been hit hard and the other squig units are then all aligned too. I'm worried but waiting on points where hopefully they don't follow the same route as expected with most armies that points have gone up.
if I remember it said you can bring back half rounding up so if you only have a unit of 3 rockgut thats 2 back? practically the whole thing sounds nice
I would love to see what clammy combos this army could do. Sending absolute stoned gobbos flying across the board like Spiderman is awesome! Amazing videos!
Few thoughts…. 1. Great video thank you so much for your content!!! 2. I feel like the saves across the army were designed with snuffler ward saves in mind. Like they were too afraid to hand out a decent save with the ward available. 3. For spiders, keep in mind that all the Arocks can literally cover the whole objective not letting enemies on it
Careful Rob, don't talk bad about my spiders. 😊 Overall pretty happy with the warscrolls, trolls look good. Also, I do max arachnaroks, pretty fun list.
Yeah yeah,, Big Spiderfang fan here. Really sad to hear about the scuttleboss on gigantic spider's retirement. Hopefully it's for a much needed re-sculpt. Because I just always thought of multiple of these leading massive amounts of Spider riders to absolute DESTRUCTION! (or not) HaHa
Snarlfang Riders were a Warcry Warband, and based off the other Grots that don't worship the Bad Moon. Whether the Gitmob will be added to the game latter as a 5th type of Gloomspite or not is irelevant, but thats why they exist.
Ngl I am so gutted about the armor save on the mangler squig cuz we've seen very basic units that have rend 1 already and gain an addition 1 on a charge or if it's fighting a monster so I think this unit is gonna kinda suck in play saying that it is still a very cool looking model and I'd probably still get it
Thanks for overview! Im not playing any wargames but interested in AoS stories and mechanics. It was super intersting to watch yours AoS 4 prview series. Hoping that youll review all factions.
After watching this when it came out and listening to robs hopes for cheaps units and shock that things like the manglers were kind of garbag but might ne cheap. It is funny as a seasoned GS player to see the points drop that they have nerfed all the fun units into the ground and side graded the troggs. The only real surprise is boingrots being Ccccheap. I genuinely believe GW does not want these guys to be good hahaha.
I think the giant boing on the mangler squigs will be good for tying up backline ranged attackers. Jump over their screening units and stop their backline archers from shooting.
Initial thought: GW has no idea how to make spiders good or inviting enought to invest and play They really want you to play troggs/squigs. Overall, most abilites happen on dice rolls which sucks, but I think every army got the same treatments so it's probably okay. What the heck happened to the warcry/underworlds warbands units? Not part of AOS anymore? Lame. Final thought: one lone gitmob unit...that kinda sucks...maybe we get a new gitmob subfaction when the book releases? One can hope...
Now I'm really chuffed I got the truggs herd box, bought the rockguts 3d file you mentioned in the trugg vid and getting the troggoth premium from stormbringer. Troggoths are definitely stomping! 🦶
Getting shun while the wounds from the mockery of his mighty axe damage is still fresh. Khorne has set his eyes upon thee but not as his favoured champion. So hyped about the new Thirsters they look awsome..
Someone mentioned that teleporting Kraggy is op... he will ignore the effects on a 3+ soooo roll good 2d6 cast.. then roll bad (1 or 2)... then roll 3d6 and roll good again.
Just realised when going to be a gloomspite shaman… we don’t have them anymore? Where are our cheap little pointed hatted level 1 wizards gone?! They had a great range and personality. But have no rules now. wtf?
Yeah yeah,, playing lots of little shamsns running, flying, teleporting around the board chaotically casting magic, manifestians. Sounds like a fun time frustrating an opponent.
While the webspinner on foot having a control score of 5 is probably a typo all other foot heroes have a control score of 5 under the light of the moon (since they’re all moonclan)… but it probably is a typo
"WIZARD!" - Kitster Chanchani Banai. (Phantom Menace) I'm a BIG fan of this little wizard, and the possible shenanigans. I just wish he was available as a single model though.
Pretty positive that "Crushing Grip" could be used by each individual unit that has it. OPT but the ability is on the warscroll, so it is the unit using not the player.
I think it fun how terrain can be destroyed. Sucks if you’re Loonshrine gets destroyed but I see it as still playing a role and soaking up 14 damage rather than hitting your units.
Manglers are what inspired me to play Gitz and start collecting AoS so I can't be excited about this. Ball and chain on mangler having 0 rend down from 2 and a worse armor save feels really bad. I am bummed. I loved playing an army where I was lightning fast and now all squigs are much slower. Why does the ball and chain of fanatics do 2 rend but the ball and chain of mangler does 0? Same rend as a stabba. If you care about making a strong cohesive list battle formations really shoehorn you into not mixing your troggs/squigs/spiders. If the points have changed dramatically and I can include 2 more manglers and 20 more squig hoppers I will change my tune dramatically but until then this isn't eliciting joy.
I'm currently optimistic they'll drop in points quite a long. Manglers were already a bit of a fun but questionable pick, and worsening the save by 1 and really neutering output, let alone removing 2" from them, means they really should see a drop...
Does anyone know if I can still take dankhold troggs as a unit of two? I guess no because they are monsters now but hopefully I’m wrong. Giz are my mane faction and this war scrolls feel like a hit in the face. Let’s see how it plays compared to the other army’s but man I’m a bit sad right now
I feeling you... i love the gitz, and i dont care about crazy strong rules... but this sounds like " play all rock troggoth you have or your army dies on round 3"... the mangler squig rend and save... hurts... And i think the dankhold is single now.
@@bilobeutlin7400oh that’s sad, let’s hope the best for the points. I was dreaming of a super diverse army with all the cool different models but I guess I can leave the dream behind me
Anyone else notice the effect on squig rage on the mangler squig doesn't make sense? It's states that as it gets more angry it does more damage, but the rules are the reverse.
Mangler solution: gobbapalooza add 1 rend, squigalanch add 1 attack to gobs/bite, all out attack +1 hit. It's something anyway. Give him fight another day, hope he doesnt get hit with a strike last and he should do something useful. He's probably only going to get one good chance so make it count. Hope non hero sits around 180 - 200 pts, hero version maybe 260 but prob 280
To answer your question, i happen to play only arachnarok in my 2000pts. Points came out yesterday. So overpriced compared to 3rd ed, im down to 6 arachnarok spiders, from 8, and lost all my 15 spider riders too. Considering their stat cards, GW has effectively destroyed the spider players.
Sad to hear that,, really as I never got a chance to play them in prior edition's. Oh well still gonna field them though when I get the chance. I love the way they look on a board and sometimes they unnerve enough to allow a win.
Hm i dont get that kragnos rabble rouser combo. So run and charge in he atks/ability, pop run through then end turn? Or hand of gork them away then end? And if the charge into someone use counter charge?
I haven't seen anywhere yet about re-replacing a unit. So a unit of 20 squigs gets replaced by a different unit of 10, then can that unit of 10 get replaced by a new unit of 5? It normally says on the abilities that the unit cannot be replaced more than once but I haven't seen that statement yet
not looking great for gitz imo. There are a few stars, like trugg and rockguts, but a lot of stuff seems to have gotten nerfed pretty severely. Spiders in particular are looking rough, even if the webspinner on foot's new ability is super cool. Lost the buff to mortals on the spidershrine's spell + down to 1 cast and snufflers and spore splattas being locked out of buffing spiders. Fellwaters look really weak to me. They ate a ton of nerfs, while rockguts remained mostly the same, and with the unleash hell change its way harder to actually apply the vomit debuff. The timing and restrictions on fanatics are massive nerfs. Squigs look to have some play for sure though.
I had a question, maybe you can clarify, for (roll a d3. on a 2+ ... ) i read that as roll the dice and on 3+ which translates to 2 or 3 for a d3 thats when it occurs or is it 2+ for the d6 but the wounds is based on a d3?
Pretty much its "roll a dice, as long as the result is not a 1, on a 2 do 1 MD, 3-4 do 2 MD, and 5-6 do 3 MD." So its a D3, but the first bit is just based on the dice result rather than the conversion to D3.
James workshop HATES the spiders oh my god. The difference between them and the other two portions of the army are insane. As an ardent spider fan, this is extremely disappointing. Wouldn't be surprised if spiders end up getting squatted. Rules this bad and spiderboss already being taken away... Signs aren't good 😢
@Karnagar - I refuse to believe in that and rebuke the idea. I'll field them regardless of the consequences. They look cool and the Rule of Cool is paramount. IMO
@@X.davidWilliams oh don't get me wrong, I'll definitely still use them! Love my spiders, would just be nice if they weren't utter garbage compared to squigs and trolls
@@thehonestwargamerstreams...Will it be the very next one since you've neglected my red Bois so woefully before? :* I mean the poor Boomthirster alone deserves redemption since he finally went to the great axe shop!
Thanks, nice video. And oof,... big nerfs for spiders and boingrots. Hoppers still have the same, in my opinion, useless ability. How often do you succeed in moving over troops while staying outside of 3" with them? I've never had more than a handful being able to pass over enemy units. Trolls are looking fine though!
I think Boingrots are nerfed as a unit of 10. Unit of 5 is sort of the same. I believe all units got a points decrease to fit more characters into your army.
@@EntropicEcho I watched a bat rep yesterday. In 3rd you are looking at 2470 points. That’s a big reduction for 4th. So, overall we are weaker per unit but probably stronger as an army.
Huzzah good sir,, and thank you thank you. Hopefully I'll get to field them sometime this Edition HaHa. Even if my Favorite part of the Faction,, the creepy cool Spiderfang have been ... adjusted poorly. No matter though they will scuttle across the field sowing destruction as they go. But i got some Moonclan , Fanatics, 1 unit of Boingrot Bounders and Rockgut Troggoths, plus some other named units that i can bolster them up. (or not like i said before,, I've never played.) Go go Gloomspite Gitz!
Brutal nerf on the Fungoid Shaman although if he's come down in points to fill the role of cheap caster I'm not as upset. Nasty dent on the Loonboss on giant Squig too although if he drops in points accordingly I still see a definite place for him.
ball and chain attached to a goblin on meth: 4/3/-2/d3. ball and chain attached to a pair of bouncing mini vans with teeth on meth: 4/4/-/d3. i want to know which gw writer got steamrolled by manglers and is holding a grudge.
If someone wants to do timestamps for me as they watch that would be swell
Thanks for the video Rob, excellent as always!
Can we also address how funny it is that the giant mangler Squig has less rend on its jaws than the giant Squig? 😂
Not to mention the Loonboss on foot being markedly tougher than his Squig riding variant*
1:03 Battle Traits
5:31 Bad Moon Loonshrine
7:55 Battle Formations
11:52 Heroic Traits
14:42 Artefacts of Power
16:40 Spell Lore
20:07 Manifestation Lore
21:24 Manifestation: Scuttletide
22:17 Manifestation: Mork's Mighty Mushroom
23:38 Manifestation: Malevolent Moon
24:23 Manifestation: Scrapskuttle's Arachnacauldron
25:16 Skragrott
27:57 Trugg
32:17 Fungoid Cave-Shaman
33:02 Gobbapalooza
35:15 Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig
37:10 Loonboss on Mangler Squigs
40:39 Loonboss
42:14 Rabble-Rowza
44:37 Squigboss with Gnasha-Squig
45:43 Webspinner Shaman
48:03 Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider
51:04 Dankhold Troggboss
53:03 Rockgut Troggoths
55:09 Fellwater Troggoths
57:14 Dankhold Troggoth
58:51 Boingrot Bounderz
1:00:43 Squig Hoppers
1:02:53 Squig Herd
1:05:20 Mangler Squigs
1:06:58 Snarlfang Riders
1:08:53 Sneaky Snufflers
1:10:25 Sporesplatta Fanatics
1:12:25 Loonsmasha Fanatics
1:14:49 Moonclan Stabbas
1:16:35 Moonclan Shootas
1:17:28 Spider Riders
1:18:42 Skitterstrand Arachnarok
1:20:24 Arachnarok Spider with Spiderfang Warparty
1:22:34 Arachnarok Spider with Flinger
1:24:13 Kragnos
1:26:44 Conclusion
As a thank you do Slaves to Darkness next ;-)
I'll do it this weekend for sure x
Cool
I do like the thematic style of these rules. But it hurts when you have an army of a few squigs, a few trolls, a few spiders and some gitz. I’m sure I’m not the only army that feels like I’m going to need to push a unit type to be competitive
Yeah, really wish there was one that benefited mixed unit army comp instead of spamming one type
The armies should still be mixed. While you can take all trolls you loose on points games without hoppers/spiders/wolves to go do objectives and protect flanks, or wizards to teleport/ set up moon. Same for squigs, they can’t take the crack back and can be slow to revive so giving them a follow up anchor unit like trolls or shootas can help in the late game. You should build around the core you like and then take the other stuff to support it.
@@kusanagi54321 thx for the tips, new to AoS! :)
@TrebleAmp this edition is alot more mixed arms friendly then previous ones 🎉
Looking at those traits youd just pick the one you take most of. So mostly squiggs? Takr squigg formation. Taking big blocks of gitz, take the goblin one.
Only exception is the trogg one. Its really good and troggs are expensive so makes sense. But dont feel like you cant mix and match cause you can.
Timestamps were so helpful, thanks! Looks like lots of viable builds still and no more battleshock/bravery issues
No battleshcok is wild
I can hear already the chants "Trugg,Trugg,Trugg,Trugg" from my Trogg army.
Trugg, Trugg, Trugg, Trugg, Trugg, Trugg!
I was starting to get a bit worried about you. Last I heard you were feeling under the weather, then no posts for a while. I was hoping you weren't ill. Then BAM!!! What a legend! #DontCallItAComeback
Tell me where is Nathan, for I much desire to speak with him.
What did you say?
@@daedalus5253 The Nathan the Nathan the Nathan the Nathan for Gloomspite Gitz for Gloomspite Gitz!
Thank you Rob for this very complete review and the time stamps (thanks to @TheVardek13 as well below).
A bit concerned about the Gitz, not only because of the MANY nerfs (although that needs to be put in comparison in the next edition and with other armies) but because most of warscrolls look duller. On top of that, it's like the numerous amount of feedbacks of players have not been taking in account. They kept D6 damages for some profiles (Troggboss, Fangs of Manglers) which is nonsense, spiders or snarlfangs still look crappy, Rabble-Rowza is still one of the biggest joke ever. Even at this early state, I see many warscrolls questionable and some of them will need EXTREMELY cheap point cost to be considered.
Troggoths look more than fine, maybe because they haven't been nerf as hard as the rest. I love this part of the army, I just don't wish to see only them on tabletop.
I still love this army and will continue to play it whatever happens and I hope my concerns are wrong !
Completely with you on this one. Firstly great review Rob, thanks. I'm a little gutted on the nerfs. It feels almost like the message is 'Take Trolls or have a harder time'. The manglers have been hit hard and the other squig units are then all aligned too. I'm worried but waiting on points where hopefully they don't follow the same route as expected with most armies that points have gone up.
You should be concerned because these warscrolls straight up suck. Battletome Troggs.
if I remember it said you can bring back half rounding up so if you only have a unit of 3 rockgut thats 2 back? practically the whole thing sounds nice
This changed my life
This was such a nice readthrough... Really good job mate. Looking forward to see the rest!
I would love to see what clammy combos this army could do. Sending absolute stoned gobbos flying across the board like Spiderman is awesome! Amazing videos!
Me too
Few thoughts….
1. Great video thank you so much for your content!!!
2. I feel like the saves across the army were designed with snuffler ward saves in mind. Like they were too afraid to hand out a decent save with the ward available.
3. For spiders, keep in mind that all the Arocks can literally cover the whole objective not letting enemies on it
Spiderfang
Awesome! I would love to see tzeentch as the horrors have changed significantly again
This army feels designed around the philosophy of "Enemy shooting attacks don't exist, right?
Right???"
Existence is futile,, unless you just like throwing dice. HaHa
Incredible work can’t wait to get these on the table! Will be watching everyone of these
Excited for Gitz. Great preview.
nice! next go with NURGLE
Ok
@@thehonestwargamerstreams YES PLS
I've heard very good things about the Glottkin, so I'm hoping the rest of their roster follows suit.
@@Specterish rotigus is a good now
I converted a Loonboss WITH Giant Cave Squig just before they got rid of him, sad. I should have seen it coming
@Troobalaro - yeah yeah big fan of Skarsnik and Gobbla. And some of the other sculpts that they retired. Let's hope they come back next editions.
Careful Rob, don't talk bad about my spiders. 😊 Overall pretty happy with the warscrolls, trolls look good. Also, I do max arachnaroks, pretty fun list.
Yeah yeah,, Big Spiderfang fan here. Really sad to hear about the scuttleboss on gigantic spider's retirement. Hopefully it's for a much needed re-sculpt. Because I just always thought of multiple of these leading massive amounts of Spider riders to absolute DESTRUCTION! (or not) HaHa
Love the effort Rob! Thank you so much for this!
Anytime
Snarlfang Riders were a Warcry Warband, and based off the other Grots that don't worship the Bad Moon.
Whether the Gitmob will be added to the game latter as a 5th type of Gloomspite or not is irelevant, but thats why they exist.
Loved this! Thanks for doing this. Appreciate you!
Rob is a lovely chap and you should all like this video!
Nice review. Thanks Rob.
Ngl I am so gutted about the armor save on the mangler squig cuz we've seen very basic units that have rend 1 already and gain an addition 1 on a charge or if it's fighting a monster so I think this unit is gonna kinda suck in play saying that it is still a very cool looking model and I'd probably still get it
Thank you for this!
I'd suggest that you do the one faction we're all waiting for next: The magnificent Hedonites of Slaanesh
Thanks for overview! Im not playing any wargames but interested in AoS stories and mechanics. It was super intersting to watch yours AoS 4 prview series. Hoping that youll review all factions.
Great Rob, keep these coming! Also: I want dubbed versions of these where a random Juggz member shouts ‘manities!’ Every time you say ‘abilities’.
Amazing, thanks for getting onto this so quickly Rob!
Love your content Rob, always makes me excited for armies I don't even play !!
Bought 20 more 50mm bases so I can proxy some invisible troggs. Thanks Rob!
After watching this when it came out and listening to robs hopes for cheaps units and shock that things like the manglers were kind of garbag but might ne cheap. It is funny as a seasoned GS player to see the points drop that they have nerfed all the fun units into the ground and side graded the troggs. The only real surprise is boingrots being Ccccheap. I genuinely believe GW does not want these guys to be good hahaha.
Love this! Kinda sorta wanna do another army and GItz are really appealing. Saying that they all are though! Cheers for this.
I think the giant boing on the mangler squigs will be good for tying up backline ranged attackers.
Jump over their screening units and stop their backline archers from shooting.
Is 100 cheap enough for squig herd?
Initial thought: GW has no idea how to make spiders good or inviting enought to invest and play
They really want you to play troggs/squigs. Overall, most abilites happen on dice rolls which sucks, but I think every army got the same treatments so it's probably okay.
What the heck happened to the warcry/underworlds warbands units? Not part of AOS anymore? Lame.
Final thought: one lone gitmob unit...that kinda sucks...maybe we get a new gitmob subfaction when the book releases? One can hope...
Now I'm really chuffed I got the truggs herd box, bought the rockguts 3d file you mentioned in the trugg vid and getting the troggoth premium from stormbringer. Troggoths are definitely stomping! 🦶
Getting shun while the wounds from the mockery of his mighty axe damage is still fresh. Khorne has set his eyes upon thee but not as his favoured champion. So hyped about the new Thirsters they look awsome..
Someone mentioned that teleporting Kraggy is op... he will ignore the effects on a 3+ soooo roll good 2d6 cast.. then roll bad (1 or 2)... then roll 3d6 and roll good again.
Oh nevermind... his shield is a reaction to an opponent casting a spell.... whoa that's gnarly.
Just realised when going to be a gloomspite shaman… we don’t have them anymore? Where are our cheap little pointed hatted level 1 wizards gone?! They had a great range and personality. But have no rules now. wtf?
Yeah yeah,, playing lots of little shamsns running, flying, teleporting around the board chaotically casting magic, manifestians. Sounds like a fun time frustrating an opponent.
Spider rider are not that Bad, control 2 for a light cavalery, fly and Can be shoot by the webspinner easy: a very good unit to score
Yeah yeah ,, I have like 45ish? Or around there. Super cool looking units spread here and there over the board. IMO
Thanks for the video, Rob, but how come you don't post anything on Spotify any more?
Oh Snap I'll have to check that out,, thank you.
While the webspinner on foot having a control score of 5 is probably a typo all other foot heroes have a control score of 5 under the light of the moon (since they’re all moonclan)… but it probably is a typo
"WIZARD!" - Kitster Chanchani Banai. (Phantom Menace)
I'm a BIG fan of this little wizard, and the possible shenanigans. I just wish he was available as a single model though.
With a bunch of cheap gobbo's why would you not want to take Kragnos?
I agree
Some really cool conversions out there as well too. Real big fan of the Kragnarok!
Pretty positive that "Crushing Grip" could be used by each individual unit that has it. OPT but the ability is on the warscroll, so it is the unit using not the player.
Is there a default spell lore, like with misitic shield, that is auto known by every wizzard?
No none
Awesome job. Would love to see lumineth. There’s nothing about teclis out there
Since Hand of Gork goes off in the hero phase, can that unit still move in the movement phase?
Awesome
I think it fun how terrain can be destroyed. Sucks if you’re Loonshrine gets destroyed but I see it as still playing a role and soaking up 14 damage rather than hitting your units.
Agreed
Will you produce any new terrain for AoS? Would love to support you in that way :)
Yes. Soon
Manglers are what inspired me to play Gitz and start collecting AoS so I can't be excited about this. Ball and chain on mangler having 0 rend down from 2 and a worse armor save feels really bad. I am bummed. I loved playing an army where I was lightning fast and now all squigs are much slower. Why does the ball and chain of fanatics do 2 rend but the ball and chain of mangler does 0? Same rend as a stabba. If you care about making a strong cohesive list battle formations really shoehorn you into not mixing your troggs/squigs/spiders. If the points have changed dramatically and I can include 2 more manglers and 20 more squig hoppers I will change my tune dramatically but until then this isn't eliciting joy.
I'm currently optimistic they'll drop in points quite a long. Manglers were already a bit of a fun but questionable pick, and worsening the save by 1 and really neutering output, let alone removing 2" from them, means they really should see a drop...
Don't forget how squigs lost run and charge as well.
Does anyone know if I can still take dankhold troggs as a unit of two? I guess no because they are monsters now but hopefully I’m wrong. Giz are my mane faction and this war scrolls feel like a hit in the face. Let’s see how it plays compared to the other army’s but man I’m a bit sad right now
I feeling you... i love the gitz, and i dont care about crazy strong rules... but this sounds like " play all rock troggoth you have or your army dies on round 3"... the mangler squig rend and save... hurts...
And i think the dankhold is
single now.
@@bilobeutlin7400oh that’s sad, let’s hope the best for the points. I was dreaming of a super diverse army with all the cool different models but I guess I can leave the dream behind me
Anyone else notice the effect on squig rage on the mangler squig doesn't make sense? It's states that as it gets more angry it does more damage, but the rules are the reverse.
What a great shirt
Mangler solution: gobbapalooza add 1 rend, squigalanch add 1 attack to gobs/bite, all out attack +1 hit. It's something anyway. Give him fight another day, hope he doesnt get hit with a strike last and he should do something useful. He's probably only going to get one good chance so make it count. Hope non hero sits around 180 - 200 pts, hero version maybe 260 but prob 280
Troggoths sound good. No warmaster on Trugg, surprising
To answer your question, i happen to play only arachnarok in my 2000pts. Points came out yesterday. So overpriced compared to 3rd ed, im down to 6 arachnarok spiders, from 8, and lost all my 15 spider riders too. Considering their stat cards, GW has effectively destroyed the spider players.
Sad to hear that,, really as I never got a chance to play them in prior edition's. Oh well still gonna field them though when I get the chance. I love the way they look on a board and sometimes they unnerve enough to allow a win.
Thoughts about the mangler squig,😅 now, after the points are revealed ? Love his bouncing but his rend is terrible no ?
Thank you for this
No problem 😊
Hm i dont get that kragnos rabble rouser combo. So run and charge in he atks/ability, pop run through then end turn? Or hand of gork them away then end? And if the charge into someone use counter charge?
Lunar levels of hype right now
Really good, Rob. Can you do Khorne next please, as you never did them a faction focus
Thankyou Rob!
I haven't seen anywhere yet about re-replacing a unit. So a unit of 20 squigs gets replaced by a different unit of 10, then can that unit of 10 get replaced by a new unit of 5? It normally says on the abilities that the unit cannot be replaced more than once but I haven't seen that statement yet
I think in the core rules it says a replacement unit can never be replaced
@@AskJakeChemistryVideos ah yes just found it in the core rules
Love it!
The whole Troggoth theme looks really scary 😅
That’s a spicy war ham! 🤌
not looking great for gitz imo. There are a few stars, like trugg and rockguts, but a lot of stuff seems to have gotten nerfed pretty severely. Spiders in particular are looking rough, even if the webspinner on foot's new ability is super cool. Lost the buff to mortals on the spidershrine's spell + down to 1 cast and snufflers and spore splattas being locked out of buffing spiders.
Fellwaters look really weak to me. They ate a ton of nerfs, while rockguts remained mostly the same, and with the unleash hell change its way harder to actually apply the vomit debuff.
The timing and restrictions on fanatics are massive nerfs.
Squigs look to have some play for sure though.
Spiderfang fan
Points pending, Troggherd will be fun. If we do get points can you maybe do some quick example lists at end of videos?
That's future videos
Are these available to download now?
Not for the public yet mate, people get sent bits from gw and like to share them out
I missed Infernal Enrapturess. They kicked it yo the Legends too?)
I had a question, maybe you can clarify, for (roll a d3. on a 2+ ... ) i read that as roll the dice and on 3+ which translates to 2 or 3 for a d3 thats when it occurs or is it 2+ for the d6 but the wounds is based on a d3?
Pretty much its "roll a dice, as long as the result is not a 1, on a 2 do 1 MD, 3-4 do 2 MD, and 5-6 do 3 MD."
So its a D3, but the first bit is just based on the dice result rather than the conversion to D3.
Are the Aleguzzler and Scuttleboss on Spider gone?
I believe scuttle boss is gone but I don't know about aleguzzler
@@town9792- resculpt then release. Praying to the Dice gods of Destruction to make it so.
There is one thing missing from the review: what does Nathan Prescott think about all of that?
Can we get a Nathan's reaction video, please?
I was really hoping for viable spiders, but it seems like theyre as sucky as ever. Sigh. The lone arachnarok's attacks are all companion, too. SIGH.
James workshop HATES the spiders oh my god. The difference between them and the other two portions of the army are insane. As an ardent spider fan, this is extremely disappointing. Wouldn't be surprised if spiders end up getting squatted. Rules this bad and spiderboss already being taken away... Signs aren't good 😢
@Karnagar - I refuse to believe in that and rebuke the idea. I'll field them regardless of the consequences. They look cool and the Rule of Cool is paramount. IMO
@@X.davidWilliams oh don't get me wrong, I'll definitely still use them! Love my spiders, would just be nice if they weren't utter garbage compared to squigs and trolls
When are the points coming? Thanks
Will you do a Blades of Khorne review since you haven't reviewed their faction focus?
Came here to ask this
Yes definitely
@@thehonestwargamerstreams...Will it be the very next one since you've neglected my red Bois so woefully before? :* I mean the poor Boomthirster alone deserves redemption since he finally went to the great axe shop!
GITZ!
Thanks for the learndingt Rules Man!
Thanks, nice video. And oof,... big nerfs for spiders and boingrots. Hoppers still have the same, in my opinion, useless ability. How often do you succeed in moving over troops while staying outside of 3" with them? I've never had more than a handful being able to pass over enemy units. Trolls are looking fine though!
I think Boingrots are nerfed as a unit of 10. Unit of 5 is sort of the same. I believe all units got a points decrease to fit more characters into your army.
@@davehudson4144 That's true of course! I'm curious to see how it all shakes out concerning point costs!
@@EntropicEcho I watched a bat rep yesterday. In 3rd you are looking at 2470 points. That’s a big reduction for 4th. So, overall we are weaker per unit but probably stronger as an army.
Huzzah good sir,, and thank you thank you. Hopefully I'll get to field them sometime this Edition HaHa. Even if my Favorite part of the Faction,, the creepy cool Spiderfang have been ... adjusted poorly. No matter though they will scuttle across the field sowing destruction as they go. But i got some Moonclan , Fanatics, 1 unit of Boingrot Bounders and Rockgut Troggoths, plus some other named units that i can bolster them up. (or not like i said before,, I've never played.)
Go go Gloomspite Gitz!
Go gitz!!
🕷 I might go and get me a Kragnarok I'm just absolutely in AWE of that Kitbash. 🕸 and if what he does is that awesome I don't see why not, right?
Brutal nerf on the Fungoid Shaman although if he's come down in points to fill the role of cheap caster I'm not as upset.
Nasty dent on the Loonboss on giant Squig too although if he drops in points accordingly I still see a definite place for him.
Будут ли ещё подобные видео?
On every army
@@thehonestwargamerstreamscertainly have you work cut out. Much appreciated
No more grimgrak in the new version ?
Why does Rob keeps repeating that you can use the spell lores at your opponent turn if the spell says “your hero phase”, am I missing something?
The command ability says, cast a spell in your opponents turn AS IF it was YOUR HERO PHASE. Caps just for emphasis not be aggressive. Hope that helps
@@thehonestwargamerstreams ooooh I see, thank you for the clarification Rob!
They nerfed Squigs so hard. They basically killed the army!
Have you got access to all of the indexes?
ball and chain attached to a goblin on meth: 4/3/-2/d3.
ball and chain attached to a pair of bouncing mini vans with teeth on meth: 4/4/-/d3.
i want to know which gw writer got steamrolled by manglers and is holding a grudge.
100 % true.
how can you teleport kragnos in your opponents turn, isnt hand of gork only in your turn?
Core rules there is a command to cast on your opponents turn at a -1 to cast
@@JestaultSteinkeKachuik Woah!
No Mollog ? ...
He sadly has been sent to legends
Will it be similar video about other armies these days?
Yes
Picked the best faction first!!
Letttsssss goooooo
Troggoth summer!!
Trugg trugg trugg .....juggz
Have we lost the underworlds gobbos? No more grinkrak? 😥
I don't know. But OBR kept theirs. There was no mention about this but that would make me sad.
Rabble Rouser Endtimes