great job Jack! I can tell and greatly appreciate your efforts to not "yell" during the update. I understand that it must be challenging to maintain a regular speaking tone while recording outside so I appreciate all effort to adjust for this. I'm definitely on #teamjack so I really love you doing these updates. this was a great one.. thank you NSF for all you do to keep us updated .... you all do an awesome job
Remember the days when we were waiting to see a starship fly? Seems like a million years ago, but also Seems like yesterday. So cool to it all come together like this.
Awesome update Jack and the NSF team!! Lots of great information! Must be hard for you folks to keep up. Thanks for what you do to keep the rest of us informed!
Thank you for a really interesting catch up.. there were lots of really great details..and thank you Jack your a super commentator and make watching this episode fabulous as you can here your enthusiasm in your voice well done all at NSF… and Space X… and all who helped make this episode looking forward to your next one..
Great job Jack, and some fascinating insight into the process of the next generation Starship. You folks are really inspiring, and my go to for everything SpaceX. Keep up the great work.
I am from a fast speaking state but Jack is setting new records in speed talking. Check back in two years and it will be like the commercials where they speed read the legal text.
Great presentation by Jack. Tons of exciting information. He was talking too fast for me but I'm only one person right? I still think Jack is totally awesome even if I do have to rewind his videos frequently. For this reason Ryan is my fav.
Will be interested to see if they do a hop test with the new block 2 configuration. In a way I hope they do because I missed the block 1 hop tests, though I can't imagine where they'd land them. Massey's maybe?
In the 'more' descriptipn section, could you include links to the video content encluded in the episode - such as SpaceX's video of Ship 30's static fire from under the test stand? Thanks in anticipation. Awesome content as ever!
1:00 By storing pristene LOX in this tank dedicated to booster landing, and pressurizing with gas from the COPVs, the engine reliability should be excellent.
A lot of this I learned watching Marcus house and a speculation for the six other tanks is to have more propellant for when they do chopstick landings just in case you need the extra amount of propellent for landing. Block two there is a system where they can lift underneath the flaps.
The only thing that I really dislike about Starship, is the chopstick idea. It requires too much precision to get Starship in an acceptable grab zone. My preference would be a much safer alternative that would allow for the grabber to move to accommodate starship being out of position or having issues with maintaining propper rotation in relationship to the chopsticks. My idea is a capture donut/ring that can be moved as required and thus giving Starship more room for error as well as a much larger area to attempt landing. It would require 4 towers with 2 solid spans connecting them in a singular directional orientation much like used for overhead lift cranes. On top of these spans would be another set of spans that would be movable and oriented 90 degrees from the lower spans. They could move anywhere in any amount in between the towers in one plane of travel. Then, on top of the second spans, would be a set of floating ring halves that could be positioned anywhere in between the towers in a direction of movement 90 degrees from the spans they are mounted to. This would allow infinite capture points in between the 4 support towers. It would be a much improved way to capture Starship and reduce danger to crew and possible payloads being returned to earth. It also eliminates starship from having to be oriented in a specific way to facilitate capture. It's technologically superior, more reliable and far safer. It would help eliminate a lot of issues with the current set up. But it would make the landing area separate from the launch platform. It's feasible that it could however be reconfigured as a launch and capture platform.
That might work (China is trying it), but I see a few problems: 1. Too many moving parts. 2. Takes up a lot of space (4 towers). 3. Will be more expensive. 4. Will not be as fast at replacing a booster on the pad. 5. We have not seen the chopsticks fail. Until we do I will wait and see.
Both Ship and Super Heavy are going to eventually have landing legs. The chopsticks are going to end up in the same pile as the fairing catcher's mitt and the oil rigs. Space X has been brilliant and deserves tons of credit for their bleeding-edge accomplishments, but every so often they are compelled (or given an "Imperial Decree") to pursue an OBVIOUSLY dumb and impractical idea (also see "Why do we need a flame diverter?").
@@knowledgeisgood9645 I am highly skeptical about the chopsticks, especially in early development. Also, chopsticks simply do not have a sufficient means of safety or accommodation if the ship is having issues being where it needs to be. Also the 4 point capture tower can be very accommodating to fast engine change. It could be built as part of the launch tower system. The landing grab would just be further away from the actual launch base. It can literally set starship in place as soon as the grab is made. 4 tower design in truth could give Starship anywhere from 50 to 100 yard landing zone that it can make the grab in. That would eliminate a much greater risk of damaging or destroying both starship and the tower. May be more expensive initially, but God forbid we lose human life because the chopsticks were insufficient. A much better and more reliable method of capture such as I detailed, would also expedite being able to progress elsewhere in Starships development. Now, landing on the moon or anywhere else with uneven and or soft terrain, is going to be an absolute nightmare, do to Starships high center of gravity. It will be far more likely to to tip over than a more traditional landing craft. The engineering for that is going to take a ton of time. Not only are you concerned with high center of gravity and surface stability considerations, but you also have to worry about self damage of Starship during landing or takeoff in a loose and rocky environment. Stuff will certainly get kicked up and potentially damage or destroy the Raptors or another critical area of the ship, such as re-entry heat tiles. They will definitely have their hands full dealing with these issues as things progress to actually landing on the moon. It's an engineering lover's dream dealing with insurmountable odds. That's why I am so interested. But if we can't land on Earth with 100% reliability and sufficient backup safety, Starship will never get past where it currently is. It has hit a dead end as far as human passengers or returning payloads are concerned. 99% Reliability is not enough or is it acceptable. Especially when we are talking about possibly having a 100+ people on board during takeoff or landing. I am thoroughly looking forward to how this all plays out. Hopefully, I will get to see a mars landing and a potential way to return in my lifetime. I was only 6 months old during the first moon landing. We haven't done anything since then. Would have been nice to have continued on with manned moon landings for the past 56 years. We probably would be further along technologically as well as have already solved many of the issues we are currently facing.
Chopsticks don't need much precision: they close around the booster, giving it a margin of 2-3 meters. Maybe a bit more. Your "donut" is, as knowledgeisgood said earlier, is being pursued by China, but its more expensive, more fragile, and quite likely less reliable even if indestructible.
11:06 you said “diameter” but the text says “radius”. The text is incorrect. 14:12 you said elliptical when describing the shape of the top tank dome. Elliptical is a two dimensional description. A more appropriate term describing a three dimensional structure would be “ellipsoidal”.
form (&looks) follow function - always. Something looking goofy is just a momentary adaption reaction.. this will fade and couple months down the road when looking back the original design we'll find them looking 'goofy' and 'dated'. Cheers, Top Work. Keep it up!
@7:20 - Plasma has almost perfect fluid dynamic and as such it's like a lazer beam of heat.. Moving things out of the way.. Prolongs it's life Nasa learned this with the space shuttle. That why it has "cheek bones"
Okay, here's a good question for you. Where will the extra fuel for transfer be held? If ship is totally full of fuel, where does extra fuel for the orbiting gas station go? Also will Long Beach, CA. get a SpaceX barge soon?
This makes me wonder if in the future there could be two Starship cargo types: One with a bigger payload volume and less fuel for large, light things, and one with less payload volume but more fuel, for small, very heavy things.
I think they wanna do full flight duration static fires at massey's but they will probly need a crap ton more water for that. Maybe massive water tank farm at massey's soon?
That “rising out of the ground” edit was brilliant! 👍
I saw it multiple times lol, amazing
SpaceX buildings are rising in the sky as fast as a little plant like beans or so😂
Great In-depth coverage of the V.2 Jack!!! Thank you! and Thank you NSF!!!
All of my current questions answered in 1 video. Good Job NSF.
Yeah , love this Ch.
Same
I was watching this earlier this morning, and halfway through the video vanished and stopped playing. I'm glad it came back lol
Same here. Got to 10m53s and it just vanished.
We released it early to members, who found an incorrect clip, so we fixed that, removed the old version, and this is the corrected version. - Das
@@NASASpaceflight Ah cool, thanks Das! Keep up the great work!
@@NASASpaceflight Thanks Das. You and the NSF team are amazing!
Held on tight as advised; one of the most technically detailed episodes. Great to see V2 hardware taking shape. Good work NSF
great job Jack! I can tell and greatly appreciate your efforts to not "yell" during the update. I understand that it must be challenging to maintain a regular speaking tone while recording outside so I appreciate all effort to adjust for this. I'm definitely on #teamjack so I really love you doing these updates. this was a great one.. thank you NSF for all you do to keep us updated .... you all do an awesome job
Super cool edition, the rising out of the ground gave it the touch. Thanks Jack and the NSF team for the update. A big hug from Argentina!
Thanks NSF team. I can only imagine the volume of work done in the preparation of this episode.
Remember the days when we were waiting to see a starship fly? Seems like a million years ago, but also Seems like yesterday. So cool to it all come together like this.
WOW WOW WOW. What a week. Thank you to all the teams at NSF, StarBase,SpaceX & all the others behind them. Thank you
Thank you jack, much appreciated. Your updates are a tremendous boost the an otherwise unspectacular week 😃
Thanks Rocket Ranch.
A lot of tech details here ! Shows you are on the ball to be able to point out and explain details!
Tidy update, packed with news, love it. Party on, Jack \m/,
I really enjoy that the raptor carts are 'Mario' carts....good to know that SpaceX still has that sense of humor going on
The vacuum engines moving into the bay were moving like Daleks.
I get you. But the toilet plungers are missing.
That aft cap look like a part you'd see in a smartphone or watch scaled up 10000X
Thank You, actually new info versus history and old guesses!
Thanks a ton for all the awesome coverage. V2 starship is gonna be epic.
Love the V2 coverage! Thanks
Great explanation of new mods - thanx Jack !
Love the detail Jack. Exciting times ahead. Thank you for the great coverage
Nice coverage. The leeward fins and smaller tiles look so smooth. Like a Doberman with his ears back, haha.
Thanks again to all of the team and Jack who does a brilliant job presenting.
Thank you Jack and NSF team for these awesome updates. Totally enjoyed it .
Awesome update Jack and the NSF team!! Lots of great information! Must be hard for you folks to keep up. Thanks for what you do to keep the rest of us informed!
Thanks Jack Beyer!! I love getting "caught up" with the latest news! You do a wonderful job!!
Love watching all these iterations come and go. It's interesting and exciting in a way to see the hardware evolve.
Thank you for a really interesting catch up.. there were lots of really great details..and thank you Jack your a super commentator and make watching this episode fabulous as you can here your enthusiasm in your voice well done all at NSF… and Space X… and all who helped make this episode looking forward to your next one..
Nice NSF 👍🏻, love from India 🫡
Always a great update with Jack at the helm! Thanks to Jack and all of NSF that keep us informed. 👏👏👏
Excellent episode. Thank you NSF!
Great video loved the detail can’t wait for block 2
Great job Jack, and some fascinating insight into the process of the next generation Starship. You folks are really inspiring, and my go to for everything SpaceX. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, Jack! Great info on V2.
Bearded Jack is Officially Back! 🤘🏻🧔🏻🤘🏻
Oh please, can you give me the JAMpacked episode ! Love the details guys, always excellent
Thank you Jack super informative 🤠
Hi thanks Jack great explanations. Very interesting ❤
Thx a lot, love these highly useful summary videos.
Very complete overview. Thanks.
Information-packed update, thanks.
I am from a fast speaking state but Jack is setting new records in speed talking. Check back in two years and it will be like the commercials where they speed read the legal text.
Great presentation by Jack. Tons of exciting information. He was talking too fast for me but I'm only one person right? I still think Jack is totally awesome even if I do have to rewind his videos frequently.
For this reason Ryan is my fav.
Magnificent Beautiful Extraordinary
Will be interested to see if they do a hop test with the new block 2 configuration. In a way I hope they do because I missed the block 1 hop tests, though I can't imagine where they'd land them. Massey's maybe?
I was watching this morning when the video suddenly became unavailable. Glad I get to finish it now
You guys are the best! Thank you as always!
Great video, thanks
Go Starship Go,💪
Thank you for great show!
I hope SpaceX posts drone footage from Masseys so we can see the flame trench in action.
Those low altitude hops were such insane fun things to watch, suicide flip manoeuvre unreal engineering ever seen🤺
Holy crap it's good to see you!
Vey informative episode…well done
The wheels on those raptor transporters looks futuristic
awesome !
spacex need to hire this guy.
Excellent episode
Wow, hell of an info dump! Tnx!
Awesome episode guys😊
Thats a really sick static fire
Thanks for the coverage! Tile coverage, that is...
In the 'more' descriptipn section, could you include links to the video content encluded in the episode - such as SpaceX's video of Ship 30's static fire from under the test stand? Thanks in anticipation. Awesome content as ever!
Thanks. I enjoyed the update.
thanks for all the reporting
Great update. Cheers 🍻
great video!
1:00 By storing pristene LOX in this tank dedicated to booster landing, and pressurizing with gas from the COPVs, the engine reliability should be excellent.
Perfect beard length Jack. Lookin good. Go Space X.
What a "shippy" episode lol
Thank you, man!!
Great report Jack! I'm glad to see you are protecting yourself from the sun. Skin cancer is no fun.
Also. I love the NSF "intro theme music"...is it just a little snippet or from an actual artist/track that I'm unaware of?
A lot of this I learned watching Marcus house and a speculation for the six other tanks is to have more propellant for when they do chopstick landings just in case you need the extra amount of propellent for landing. Block two there is a system where they can lift underneath the flaps.
😊😊Thank you Jack..
That was the BEST!
"Tank watching" has come a long way.
The only thing that I really dislike about Starship, is the chopstick idea. It requires too much precision to get Starship in an acceptable grab zone. My preference would be a much safer alternative that would allow for the grabber to move to accommodate starship being out of position or having issues with maintaining propper rotation in relationship to the chopsticks. My idea is a capture donut/ring that can be moved as required and thus giving Starship more room for error as well as a much larger area to attempt landing. It would require 4 towers with 2 solid spans connecting them in a singular directional orientation much like used for overhead lift cranes. On top of these spans would be another set of spans that would be movable and oriented 90 degrees from the lower spans. They could move anywhere in any amount in between the towers in one plane of travel. Then, on top of the second spans, would be a set of floating ring halves that could be positioned anywhere in between the towers in a direction of movement 90 degrees from the spans they are mounted to. This would allow infinite capture points in between the 4 support towers. It would be a much improved way to capture Starship and reduce danger to crew and possible payloads being returned to earth. It also eliminates starship from having to be oriented in a specific way to facilitate capture. It's technologically superior, more reliable and far safer. It would help eliminate a lot of issues with the current set up. But it would make the landing area separate from the launch platform. It's feasible that it could however be reconfigured as a launch and capture platform.
That might work (China is trying it), but I see a few problems:
1. Too many moving parts.
2. Takes up a lot of space (4 towers).
3. Will be more expensive.
4. Will not be as fast at replacing a booster on the pad.
5. We have not seen the chopsticks fail. Until we do I will wait and see.
Both Ship and Super Heavy are going to eventually have landing legs. The chopsticks are going to end up in the same pile as the fairing catcher's mitt and the oil rigs.
Space X has been brilliant and deserves tons of credit for their bleeding-edge accomplishments, but every so often they are compelled (or given an "Imperial Decree") to pursue an OBVIOUSLY dumb and impractical idea (also see "Why do we need a flame diverter?").
@@knowledgeisgood9645 I am highly skeptical about the chopsticks, especially in early development. Also, chopsticks simply do not have a sufficient means of safety or accommodation if the ship is having issues being where it needs to be. Also the 4 point capture tower can be very accommodating to fast engine change. It could be built as part of the launch tower system. The landing grab would just be further away from the actual launch base. It can literally set starship in place as soon as the grab is made. 4 tower design in truth could give Starship anywhere from 50 to 100 yard landing zone that it can make the grab in. That would eliminate a much greater risk of damaging or destroying both starship and the tower. May be more expensive initially, but God forbid we lose human life because the chopsticks were insufficient. A much better and more reliable method of capture such as I detailed, would also expedite being able to progress elsewhere in Starships development. Now, landing on the moon or anywhere else with uneven and or soft terrain, is going to be an absolute nightmare, do to Starships high center of gravity. It will be far more likely to to tip over than a more traditional landing craft. The engineering for that is going to take a ton of time. Not only are you concerned with high center of gravity and surface stability considerations, but you also have to worry about self damage of Starship during landing or takeoff in a loose and rocky environment. Stuff will certainly get kicked up and potentially damage or destroy the Raptors or another critical area of the ship, such as re-entry heat tiles. They will definitely have their hands full dealing with these issues as things progress to actually landing on the moon. It's an engineering lover's dream dealing with insurmountable odds. That's why I am so interested. But if we can't land on Earth with 100% reliability and sufficient backup safety, Starship will never get past where it currently is. It has hit a dead end as far as human passengers or returning payloads are concerned. 99% Reliability is not enough or is it acceptable. Especially when we are talking about possibly having a 100+ people on board during takeoff or landing. I am thoroughly looking forward to how this all plays out. Hopefully, I will get to see a mars landing and a potential way to return in my lifetime. I was only 6 months old during the first moon landing. We haven't done anything since then. Would have been nice to have continued on with manned moon landings for the past 56 years. We probably would be further along technologically as well as have already solved many of the issues we are currently facing.
Chopsticks don't need much precision: they close around the booster, giving it a margin of 2-3 meters. Maybe a bit more.
Your "donut" is, as knowledgeisgood said earlier, is being pursued by China, but its more expensive, more fragile, and quite likely less reliable even if indestructible.
finally Jack is Back
At T= 04:25; Love the shot of the heat-shield seal for the flap (aft flap I suppose)
It looks like it needs some more work.
11:06 you said “diameter” but the text says “radius”. The text is incorrect.
14:12 you said elliptical when describing the shape of the top tank dome. Elliptical is a two dimensional description. A more appropriate term describing a three dimensional structure would be “ellipsoidal”.
0:14 haha, that was great !
form (&looks) follow function - always. Something looking goofy is just a momentary adaption reaction.. this will fade and couple months down the road when looking back the original design we'll find them looking 'goofy' and 'dated'. Cheers, Top Work. Keep it up!
I'm glad y'all approve of the new flap design on Starship. It certainly wouldn't do to have a change that NSF thinks is goofy. 😀
I hope flight 5 will be on Sept. 12th, it's my birthday and it would be a awesome present!
morning jack
@7:20 - Plasma has almost perfect fluid dynamic and as such it's like a lazer beam of heat.. Moving things out of the way.. Prolongs it's life Nasa learned this with the space shuttle. That why it has "cheek bones"
ship 34 😭😭 it feels like yesterday we were still talking about ship 7 😭
I'd love to visit B.C., but will wait until rocket launches ftom there become more frequent, so I'm not disappointed. If I live that long!
wow realy a lot going on tension is building up for next launch
Since Tower 2 has some major upgrades over Tower 1, can the latter be retrofitted with the same?
Yep, in fact that’s the plan as far as we know
@@JackABeyer I'm still worried about Tower 1 possibly sustaining major damage from the booster catch attempt.
I appreciate y'all calling them Starship Block 2s and not V2, idk who thought calling them V2 was a good idea lmao
Imagine Jack being worried about flaps looking goofy.
At first I was convinced the slow motion view of the Ship 30 engine static fire was CGI.
The name of the first episode of "Battlestar Galactica" after the mini-series was "33".
Okay, here's a good question for you. Where will the extra fuel for transfer be held? If ship is totally full of fuel, where does extra fuel for the orbiting gas station go? Also will Long Beach, CA. get a SpaceX barge soon?
morning yall
This makes me wonder if in the future there could be two Starship cargo types: One with a bigger payload volume and less fuel for large, light things, and one with less payload volume but more fuel, for small, very heavy things.
Does anybody know if the launch mount for tower 2 is being built elsewhere? Or, will that come after the tower is built? Thanks.
I think they wanna do full flight duration static fires at massey's but they will probly need a crap ton more water for that. Maybe massive water tank farm at massey's soon?