I would try it, but as a vegetarian, not eating meat is as much a health choice for me as an ethical choice. Though it's interesting that such a product can exist I wouldn't see myself regularly eating meat just because it cuts out the killing. But I guess I am not the target consumer.
Big emphasis on affordable. In the end, no matter how many advanced technologies you throw at it, it's fake meat and cheese. Why in the world would you pay more for a fake?
I grew up in farm country, eating steak, cheese, and eggs daily. As a person who eats none of these things, and no vegan replacements, I'm glad they're developing these products. I do find it a bit childish to refuse to do the right thing because we have culturally ingrained preferences, but if we must coddle peoples' tastes (which adapt RAPIDLY to dietary change), I hope we can do so sustainably and rapidly.
@@Valentina.Montano Yes, it's embarrassing. When I'm overseas, I can always spot the American. We waddle with vigor, confidence, and oodles of rotundity.
Personally I wouldn't want to fully go vegan as I just like dairy products and meat too much. I try to treat meat as a luxury however and consume it more consciously as I am aware of the animal cruelty and climate impacts industrial farming has. If lab-grown food like this can achieve similar taste with minimal impact on the planet I'd stop eating "real" meat in a heartbeat. I'm excited for this technology
I personally think the amount of emotion people have behind _specifically_ the part of agriculture focused on raising animals to exploit and slaughter them is a bit strange. The bucolic idea of a farmer tending to the land is great, and that's not going away. Why protect the darker, more disturbing side of agriculture?
The amount of slaughter involved in plowing is stomach turning. Mice and other ground animals, snakes, worms, baby birds who ground nest. Then there's poisoning of raccoons, slaughter of fox and coyotes. And that's just to grow the corn to feed your factory beef and dairy cows. Reality is just not black and white as you have it in your brain.
Because people puts way too much value into "authenticity" even though they can't explain what is so inherently better about it. See lab grown diamonds VS natural diamonds for example, or how brand products can hike up their price thousands of times just for the sake of "looking authentic". And like in the video said, it can also be the big industries being afraid of losing control of the market. Likewise it can also be co-opted by politicians to use in their fear mongering campaigns, like see how American politicians have been saying "they're coming to take your hamburgers away! The hamburgers that's the symbol of our American pride!" But to play devil's advocate, concerns over the current safety levels of lab grown meat, how green it actually is and how much of it is merely greenwashing, and fearing millions of job losses in the agriculture sector are legit and not to be lightly disregarded either.
It may take time to reassure farmers and convince consumers. Farmer's fears can be alleviated by ensuring all these changes are improvements and will be available to farmers as open source technologies to adopt, and farmers can switch over. One thing the policy must ensure is that no monopolization happens, and transitions are 100% inclusive.
@@peterpanimg Monopolisation can't be avoided. The companies starting out now or companies who make very smart decisions will dominate the market in the future. Also farmers aren't scientists so they shouldn't be growing lab-grown meat. As was stated in the video, farmers would need to produce more crops to sustain the lab process which would benefit them anyway as they can be much more efficient with their land by only growing crops
I'd definitely try lab grown food. Milk is already being produced in bio reactors, as is a protein enriched powder which can replace flour. That would free up vast tracts of land for rewilding. But a couple of points. Methane production in cattle can be reduced by around 90% by feeding them small amounts of red seaweed mixed with their normal feed. Also a large amount of animal feed is the byproducts of human crops, which makes the figures a lot less dramatic.
I appreciate plant based foods being on market shelves. I was a vegetarian for 5 years and ate a lot of plant based meats. I began to have health issues eating them even with as balanced a diet as I could get. I no longer really trust plant based meats/imitation foods on shelves, particularly because most of those products use high volumes of seed oils and have other unhealthy ingredients, on top of being hyper processed. I'd like to see what exactly is in lab grown foods, how it breaks down in the body, the health effects of those foods, and the impact to the climate in production before I try it in earnest. I'd like to see the process of making lab grown foods as well. It's hard to shop for anything nowadays, and food has been a painpoint for my fiancee and I for quite a while now
So instead you're eating beans and other legumes, right? Because if your body doesn't agree with processed foods, then the logical step is to go for the original source product instead: buy a pack of dried chickpeas, soak them, boil them, throw in some spices and you don't need conservants or high amounts of salt and sugar. It's commendable you're concerned about what you're eating but currently the medical impact of eating animal products is extremely opaque during the production process, and what is known is that eating too much (i.e. the average amount of a Western consumer) is unhealthy later in life. It strikes me as odd that people are more worried about the new unknown, potentially sustainable product, than the old, unsustainable unhealthy one
@@NewAge374That's the problem with the lab grown meat and other products that they are on the unknown side for human health than the traditional one,as others pointed out in the comment section,the problem(s) with plant based alternative is that they are usually UPF(Ultra Processed Food)and also that in order to give a specific taste and texture to this alternatives they use substance's that may create problem for the body,and also break the matrix of the food as our body know it and damage our health. Now I am not against Lab Grown Meat or Plant- based alternative but against food that is doing damage to our health and planet. The questions we should be looking for are not: What should we do to our food in order to have a better planet and health. And should be more like what changes need to be done for our agriculture to have a better health and planet. As others have said in the comments section about plant based alternative and the problem they have is that those Big Food that made them were using the same harmful ingredients/technology for our health and planet like the old ones instead of changing everything from the ground up. Now if you make a plant based alternative in your home that will be more sustainable and healthy than the one in a grocery store.
I flew over rural countryside today, and was crushed by how empty and destroyed the landscape was - nothing but crops from horizon to horizon. We need to fix the earth, give some of it back to nature.
@@dexterdrake1734 A lot of crops are used to feed animals so reducing farmed animals will slow down our expansion of crop land and maybe when our population starts decreasing we will give some of the farmland back to nature
@@edgeribble I think farmland has been reduced by 30% or something like that since WW2. We just became more efficient at farming. We are also facing a population crash so a lot less mouths to feed. I don`t want to eat pseudo food. I don`t think we need it either. This sounds unnatural and should be banned. Food is already too fake and filled with conservatives, chemicals and other shit. Now they want to remove the entire food for the chemicals. No thanks.
With all the money in nondairy r&d I’m surprised there’s no good cow-less milk yet. I absolutely love the taste of milk and have tried every single alt-milk I’ve had access to, and nothing even comes close
Even with mostly-polluting energy sources, I doubt lab-grown meat is even close to creating as much greenhouse gas emissions as entire farm animals are. If all of the farming industry only used green energy sources, then it would also create much much less GHG emissions, but growing an entire animal just to harvest as meat less than 2/3 of its weight-all the while the energy the animal's body uses throughout its life is mostly to maintain itself and move about rather than being only to grow new muscle tissue-is by design more energetically wasteful than simply growing the specific tissue, regardless of energy source. Also, I think lab grown tissue wouldn't burp methane, and possibly require less care and maintenance than an animal does (at least potentially, I don't know how it stands right now from a laboratory standpoint).
The biggest fear imo should be, just like with GMOs, the question of who produces the food and who has access to the means of production (intellectual property, know-how, specialized equipment, etc), because like with GMOs, barriers to a decentralized/distributed and free food production system can create some really messed up and awful situations, for individuals, communities, and whole countries. I want animal killing to end. But what if we end up in a situation where the law forbids traditional means of meat production, but it also prohibits us, through intellectual patents and very high capital costs, to produce our own meat, and in this situation we are in a heavily meat-consuming culture. I think that could lead to some really messed up situations of dependency and power for the producers.
Glad to see things changing. Wonder why Beyond Meat etc isn't selling as well this year. I think it tastes good. I've just mostly been eating Huel now. Plant based. Healthy. Quick. What more could I ask for.
Great video, I’m super excited for the future. I hope lab grown meat and dairy replace animal agriculture, and I hope vertical farming becomes more mainstream and replace agriculture in general and prevent the use of crop deaths and pesticides!
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In the cheese market, CASEIN is the answer. In traditional cheese making they actually remove the whey from the curds of cheese. If Formo can get casein-based precision fermentation cheese on the market, it will beat everything I have tasted so far.
California company Perfect Day already produces lab-grown casein in addition to whey. There is ice cream, flavored milk, and cream cheese made with their lab-grown milk proteins available for sale. No regular cheese yet. The basic problem is that lab-grown milk and meat proteins are fundamentally extremely expensive to produce. They result in products that are more expensive than the most expensive artisanal, family-farm, pasture-raised dairy and meat, while having the quality of the cheapest ultra-processed junk food. So they will only be a niche product for rich vegans.
As a long term vegetarian (35 years plus) it's interesting for me to see vegetarian products that seem primarily intended for non-vegetarians. It used to be that people chose to be vegetarian for their own personal health, as well as the other usual ethical considerations. Here - I might be wrong, but it's how it seems to me - are products that are depending on an ethical choice from people who aren't (as) concerned about the impact of their food choices to their own health. If endeavours like this really want to be successful it seems they will have to break away from the idea of vegetarian food and health food being one and the same. It's a pity this report didn't discuss the health impacts of these products.
It does seem to be not meat for people who want to carry on eating meat. I always find that an odd psychological concept. The cheese I am happy to try but I am never sure about the entire concept of fake meat.
I’m incredibly happy to eat plant based meat whether simply produced or lab grown. The only reason I stopped buying synthetic ground beef is because the cost was higher locally than actual beef. The same overpricing has been an issue with synthetic cheese for many years. Most people just cant afford these choices. I know that the meat industry is subsidized, but until it isn’t most Americans diets will in many ways be shaped by cost.
Meat and dairy are an addiction like any other. You know it is bad, but you just won't admit it. Then at first, you are reluctant to quit, then you go through the withdrawal crisis looking for any kind of replacement or substitute (like the ones in this video), and once you're on the other side, you're never going back. I've been a plant-based eater (you could call me a vegan) for 10 years now. Getting off cheese was really hard because of caseo-morphins, but I'm happy I did it. I still support these alternatives because they would help more people transition. But in the end, nothing beats a whole foods plant-based diet, not in terms of health, not in terms of the impact on the planet, and certainly not in terms of cruelty.
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If you can get lab grown meat, or bug protein, and get it on the shelves for a good price, I would totally buy it. I love farming, but I farm as a hobby and see the value in alternate sources of protein.
I wouldn't want to lose access to my favorite meat and dairy foods, but I'd be delighted to know that options free from animal cruelty are available. I would absolutely try it and use it
Traditional farming is a misnomer. Most of these large scale livestock operations today have little to do with how farming was done at the time of our grand-parents. One question I have though is whether these products can replicate the same profile of the nine essential aminoacids that you get when you consume an animal based product. I am not vegan but my understanding is that it can be hard to replicate that when moving away from animal products.
-shows pigs locked up between bars and chicken in windowless halls by the thousands, speaks of traditional farming- Yeah that was an unfortunate mistake in the editing of this video. As to the second part, I cannot answer like a nutritional scientist, but hard is not impossible. We still live in a globalised world so if we have to get these vegetal amino-acids from somewhere, we will
Rice and beans is a complete protein for humans, so it's definitely achievable. Lots of cultures have been completely or nearly vegetarian, and historically meat has been more of a luxury than it is now. The real issue is things like B12, which we can easily add to foods.
@@GamesFromSpace But even there B12 is not an issue, it just needs a lab to create in the same quantities as today, just feed the supplement pills to humans instead of lifestock. I say this rather than adding it to foods because it's easier to control the quantities you actually need, to prevent becoming dependent on processed foods with such added elements.
These alternatives are agreeable. I agree with Raffa about level field to all, and add any science and tech related to alternatives should be 100% open source/community owned, such that any person can adopt and switch over to alternative production without license fees, royalties. No company doing this work should have any exclusive rights. Government can back company's research costs, and company becomes part of the industry to earn just like any other farmer/producer would.
Little correction: the reason why agriculture is massively subsidised world-wide is not to maintain millions of people in employment… it is to feed billions of humans, regardless of weather conditions/adversities/circumstances. Agriculture is basically essential. That’s why. 😅
As someone who is far from well informed on this topic, I wonder if lab grown meats are truly the solution. I mean what happens when the companies finally perfect the tastes and textures and everything else and everyone adopts their products? Wouldn't it lead to the same problems? Knowing the capitalistic lust for infinite growth, wouldn't it lead to the same indiscriminate use of natural resources and environmental pollution? Knowing the insatiable nature of humans, wouldn't it lead to the same overconsumption and waste? We all know cows shit and fart. I would like to know what kind of waste their labs produce.
It's hilarious to me that people who call themselves environmentalists refuse to give up animal products or oppose this technology when changing our eating habits is something anyone can do to protect the environment.
I’m totally up to trying lab grown cheese and meat. I worked in the plant based food industry for a year (fat/oil based) and it’s very processed with big gaps vs real dairy counterparts. So I’m curious if Formo will make it.
The long-term effects and nutrition are not really a part of this conversation as far as I know and that's unfortunate. I agree with the view that commercial practices in the food industry need reform. However, as a farmer, I understand that raising animals in a more traditional way is actually more beneficial for the local environment than cutting down all my trees and trying to just grow vegetables. But, the reason I farm my own meat and veggies is because I value how nutritious they are for my family. There are no long-term studies on lab-grown foods and as history has shown many times, man-made products are usually vastly inferior to natural ones. Just look at the supplement industry as an example.
I'd give lab grown meat and cheese a try. One point I find interesting with this is how you can make luxury kinds of meat and cheese. For example: corn fed chicken is viewed as having a better flavor. But it's expensive. If the farmland currently being used for chickens is turned over to feed for the labs, would it be possible to craft chicken that tastes as if it was corn fed? There's a lot of possibility in this line of research. Do you think you'll look at how the food industry can change so that the farmers can support themselves with new industries such as lab-grown food?
Indeed, creating wine requires a thorough understanding of chemistry. But watch as you start selling as artificial and people stop buying and go into withdrawal. Labs have this cold and emotionless association attached. Perhaps we should change our vocabulary to make it sound more like the culinary experiences other processed foods are sold as. Beer being social and warm, cheese cozy and lazy, bread as stable and multi-purpose.
Yeah EU subsidies are so wrong. They should let the markets decide - or atleast give both plant-based and animal based farmers the same chance. Here in Sweden the plant-based companies get millions of SEK in subsidies while the meat and dairy industry gets billions in SEK so atleast x1000 the amount. Not a fair fight. That is why a chicken breast filé can cost around $5 a kilo and soy beans (fed to the chickens) cost around twice that much.
I hope they focus on scaling up existing products first. For instance, I can buy soybeans online to make 1 kg of tofu for about 1.70 euros (in Germany). In supermarkets, 1 kg of the cheapest tofu costs twice as much, and if you're looking for something special like silken tofu, you might end up paying four times the price.
Can anyone explain to me why is there always attempt to mimic animal foods? I'm not a vegan myself, but I'm often trying to enrich my diet with plant based food, replace some meat with plant nutrients, there is so much good recipes and forms in which food can be consumed, why even try to mimic meat?
That's odd because you would be part of the target group, flexitarians who reduce intake of animal products. I don't want to make assumptions for what reason you include plant-based foods, but for ease of the argument we can take the health angle. With other ¨flexitarians¨ there is a sense of ethics that animal cruelty is wrong so they try to avoid it, but don't want to make it too difficult for the people around them. They could propose products that mimic animal-based foods in every aspect to eat with their family or friends, and in theory it shouldn't cause Christmas dinner to turn into madness. Yet for others, they associate animal products with psychological wellbeing, comfort food if you will. Instead of deconstructing their relation to food, it appears easier at first glance to eat something familiar but with a different production behind it.
@@NewAge374 Thanks, I wasn't aware of term flexitarians, that perfectly describes my eating preferences. Though I still don't understand who could choose that, those foods with replaced meats usually tastes awful, when at the same time there is wide variety of state-of-art vegetarian dishes. I think that every dish must be in it's grace.
I would not call the current Agriculture Industrial Complex "traditional farming"... It's a giant lobby of extremely wealthy people owning the entire food production all over the world and it's so industrialized and disconnected from nature that it has almost nothing to do with traditional farming other than the origin of the animals and plants. They work with highly modified and patented but extremely small and genetically poor selection of plants and animals that are dependent on hormones, pesticides and tons of fertilizer. They feed their encaged animals food that's not recognizable as food anymore and which relies on the destruction of entire ecosystems to keep it growing for a few years until the fields turn into deserts. They keep the animals in extremely small cages and service and process them in an industrial style with robots and machines to maximize their profit. They fill fields the size of small countries with monoculture plants that are only edible after they are enzymatically processed which makes the people even more dependent on them. They intimidate or even kill small farmers or politicians that dare to work against them. And they willingly destroy any knowledge of old, environmentally friendly and reliable farming techniques and limit the genetic diversity of the plants and animals to keep people from escaping their trap. They have a whole army of lawyers and lobbyists to guard their power against any movements that advocate for change. It's a criminal industrial complex that keeps the food production in their greedy hands until every single person relies on their mercy.
Thats untrue...it has "dented the impact of dairy and meat". Dairy consumption is down over 40% is the UK and US and plant based foods are on track to be worth billions. Im not saying animal agri is dissappearing but there is definitely a dent
If you can make lab-grown meat, that is the same as regular meat, such that it can only be differentiated from it, even in a lab, by being "too perfect/flawless", and the same with lab-grown milk... Then yes, I'd be fine with that.
Lab grown meat will never be as mainstream as people want... just look at the beyond meat trend - for a while everyone was offering it then slowly as companies saw the losses they were taking on it they started disappearing again. Yes a few places still offer it but the mainstream demand simply isn't there. From an environmental standpoint - animal agriculture in a regenerative farm setting is far more beneficial for the environment than monocrop soy/wheat/whatever fields that are constantly sprayed with chemicals. Up here in Alberta Canada animals are big business and are far less emissions per calorie than many fruit/vegetable crops that are imported.
You didn't answer the most important question.... will the cheese melt? Can it be incorporated into classic dishes? I don't mind having to learn new recipes - but I would really like to hold on to some classics, like I dunno, cheese cake?
Oh come on dude. You'll have to buy the meltable mozzarella variant for pizzas then. Unless you typically throw blocks of camembert and brie on your dishes. Spoiler, vegan cheese cake already exists and it tastes like cheese cake
@@infinitivez Sorry about that. I guess I was prepared to see mostly vegan-bashing commentaries on this video so I read your comment as someone who is extremely concerned about their fetishised milk suffering as much as possible
I would absolutely eat these products as it does not systematically force into the world and needlessly violate the lives of innocent sentient beings. Ethics is important as to is the environment.
Everyone should be for it if it increases the food supply for all with less risk to the environment... Just like everyone should strive to eat as much colorful fruit and veg every day even in the heart of cattle country where I am... Steak is good, but so are salads!
I dont see the need to change our eating habits granted that in most places in the world there is a thousands of years of history of us being an agricultural society. We can argue about cruelty and all of that i get it but our way of doing agriculture didnt become a problem for our planet until capitalism and industrialization got mixed in. Mass production has been the problem with how we handle the animals we've used for food. The video acknowledges that it's the western countries that actually consume the most amount of meat. We obviously know it's not like people just don't eat meat in the global south but those same practices to mass produce livestock aren't as prevalent. I grew up in latin america where theres a fair amount of people who do subsistence farming if they can. If western countries want to do that and make that transition by all means go ahead but i hope they dont try to force this on the rest of the world if this transition is ever successful and hope that you don't see yourselves as better when the climate crisis was caused by western countries.
I'm a cheese-fiend, it's pretty much the only thing keeping me from going vegan. So I can't wait for these cheese varieties to hit my supermarket shelves.
Yeah EU subsidies are so wrong. They should let the markets decide - or atleast give both plant-based and animal based farmers the same chance. Here in Sweden the plant-based companies get millions of SEK in subsidies while the meat and dairy industry gets billions in SEK so atleast x1000 the amount. Not a fair fight. That is why a chicken breast filé can cost around $5 a kilo and soy beans (fed to the chickens) cost around twice that much.
47% of US land is used for agriculture. 85% of that is dedicated to feed crops for livestock! It doesn't take a maths genius to deduce that a reduction in farm-raised meat would reduce the land used for livestock feed, or that less cows means less methane from cow burps and farts. Then there's water use. It takes 1,800 gallons of water to generate just one pound of beef. How about antibiotics? A full 80% of US antibiotic production is for livestock. Why? Because they're raised in the most unsanitary conditions. To put it bluntly, in industrial feedlots, cows are raised shin-deep in shit. Without antibiotics (and growth hormones), most of these cows wouldn't survive to the point where they're ready for slaughter. So, if you were Big Pharma, would you be in favor of figuratively slitting the throat of a significant revenue stream? If you were an owner or a Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation, or CAFO, that generated as much human waste for 200,000 cattle as a city of 1,000,000, completely unregulated, how are you incentivized to clean up your act? Unless and until environmental damage and health effects are priced into commodities, traditional industries will never change and companies with actual solutions to real problems will continue to be priced out of sustainable profitability.
I'm looking very much forward to lab-grown food. I will begin looking for Formo cheese! But I prefer meat from chicken and pigs to subverting international law by buying lab-meat from Israel.
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If it makes it easier for me to consume 180g of protein each day I will eat it. If it makes it more difficult I will not. If it is more then 10% expensive then regular meat I will not buy it.
Great ideas but are we even considering the amount of increased consumption of all this food over time that is perhaps a bigger contributor to climate change in turn? The abundant or affluent parts/populations of the world consume way over the standard 2000 kcal diets of which meat, eggs, fish and dairy form a large part that also contributes to obesity and other health issues in the long run. May be in the coming years we will come to a realization that overconsumption ( as sum of all the parts, not limited to food alone) is a much bigger factor than many others that we're individually trying to solve here.
I am interested in food alternatives but I need to be clear about something. I am never, seriously, never going to consider cow burps, farts or manure, to be a valid part and concern of greenhouse emissions. Save the numbers you have calculated. I am not on board with factoring animal digestive tract as part of global emissions.
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@@DWPlanetA It was actually a very fascinating video. I know people in Canada who are starting agri-forests or food forests. And I appreciated that it explains the animal emissions is really calculated by the intensive monoculture and tractor use required for providing feed to the animals. That makes more sense than blaming cow farts.
@@jeremygibbs7342if you consider they have thousands of cows and actually, that actually spends most of their days just digesting foods on their four stomachs, each producing a lot of waste gases during digestion, and methane is a 28 times more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, it’s could be really problematic. it’s not because you don’t believe in it, it just stops being true.
When the WHO categorised processed meat and a class 1 carcinogen, there has been a big propaganda wave trying to switch the narrative from processed meat to ultra processed foods. You can add as many ingredients as you want and grind and extract without it being unhealthy. Adding meat(processed) means it is carcinogenic and adding high sugar and/or salt is also very unhealthy. Don't label everything as equal, just learn what ingredients to avoid and buy healthier choices. There is no indication that this is processed meat, nor that it includes sugar and salt. There are no pesticides or any indication of unhealthy preservatives also.
Well, when you make a video about synthetic foods without any opposite opinions/facts, people will say “I love it”. Most environment channels became propaganda machines with one-sided opinions. We are forgetting that industrial food producers always put tons of junk in the “food”. Think of old fashioned bread vs the industrial bread that never goes bad.
Nutrition is the key. Taste, texture, and cost can be innovated. I like the focus on cheese, but I wish they would stop trying to mimic milk-based cheeses. Cheddar and Mozzarella are unique and both wonderful. Just make the best plant-based cheese you can and give it a new name.
I a sense, this is plant-based. And if you consider beer vegan, than this cheese is also vegan. A big concern for me is, how to market this (butter vs margarine), and whether products with precision fermented ingredients can be legally sold as "real" cheese or "real" meat. I think of how alcohol for drinking can only be legally produced (and distilled) if the sugar used for the brewing with yeast is from fruits or cereal/Grain and not wood (Sawdust brandy / Holzbranntwein) or the legal difference between pizza cheese vs analogue pizza cheese.
As a long-time vegetarian, this needs to be fast-tracked not only because of morals of ending the despicable industry of slaughter and torture of sentient beings, but also environmental preservation through ending forest cover destruction for farmland expansion. A big fight against big meat industry will have to be fought though. Oh and, I'd rather eat grass until the last day of my life than consume anything produced in Israel.
This is an expensive and not that much sustainable plaster over something that is simpler and more efficient to tackle: food waste. We waste literally 50% of the food produced world wide… Do we need all this food engineering? Absolutely not. Waste less, respect nature and the food it provides, respect the animal and its meat that you intend to eat.
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Calling meat as animal cruelty is crazy. We human are fricking omnivores. On the other notes, I might consider depending on the process of the food making. I would prefer traditional meat tho. The only thing I hate about industries, as much as I hate it, is the waste from it.
So what is the connection between the two things?, if we are omnivores, the industry of factory farming cows is not cruel and inhumane anymore? You reasoning doesn’t make any sense.
@@willy4170 That is our fricking nature. If you mean how they manage it is inhumane then yeah there is possible arguments for it. However, stating that eating meat is cruelty just straight up stupid. Be Vegan if you want, but dont be stupid.
The question is why do it at all? Are we just that squeamish, have we deteriorated as a species this much as to believe we shouldn't act as a living being and kill other beings? I'm ok with lab grown meat as long as it is the same as natural one and CHEAPER. All other reasons are just plain stupid.
Would you eat lab-grown food?
Yes.
I would certainly try it, but wouldn't eat it on a regular basis. I think it's good for people who want to go vegan and slowly adapt their cooking.
I'd eat anything provided it's healthy, ethical and helps us beat climate change.
I would try it, but as a vegetarian, not eating meat is as much a health choice for me as an ethical choice. Though it's interesting that such a product can exist I wouldn't see myself regularly eating meat just because it cuts out the killing. But I guess I am not the target consumer.
Ultra processed food is NOT healthy! Perhaps a documentary on UPF by DW!
I think as long as the lab grown food taste good and is affordable, lab grown food has a future
Agreed!
You forgot about healthy.
Big emphasis on affordable. In the end, no matter how many advanced technologies you throw at it, it's fake meat and cheese. Why in the world would you pay more for a fake?
@@michealwestfall8544 health isn't an issue. you can see how much unhealthy food sells a lot more just because it's cheaper
I grew up in farm country, eating steak, cheese, and eggs daily. As a person who eats none of these things, and no vegan replacements, I'm glad they're developing these products.
I do find it a bit childish to refuse to do the right thing because we have culturally ingrained preferences, but if we must coddle peoples' tastes (which adapt RAPIDLY to dietary change), I hope we can do so sustainably and rapidly.
No ultra process foods, you Americans are already round enough but, you don't learn.
@@Valentina.Montano Yes, it's embarrassing. When I'm overseas, I can always spot the American. We waddle with vigor, confidence, and oodles of rotundity.
Personally I wouldn't want to fully go vegan as I just like dairy products and meat too much. I try to treat meat as a luxury however and consume it more consciously as I am aware of the animal cruelty and climate impacts industrial farming has. If lab-grown food like this can achieve similar taste with minimal impact on the planet I'd stop eating "real" meat in a heartbeat. I'm excited for this technology
same!
I personally think the amount of emotion people have behind _specifically_ the part of agriculture focused on raising animals to exploit and slaughter them is a bit strange. The bucolic idea of a farmer tending to the land is great, and that's not going away. Why protect the darker, more disturbing side of agriculture?
The amount of slaughter involved in plowing is stomach turning. Mice and other ground animals, snakes, worms, baby birds who ground nest. Then there's poisoning of raccoons, slaughter of fox and coyotes. And that's just to grow the corn to feed your factory beef and dairy cows.
Reality is just not black and white as you have it in your brain.
It's not even the farmer at this point. Just giant metal sheds crowded with drugged animals
Because people puts way too much value into "authenticity" even though they can't explain what is so inherently better about it. See lab grown diamonds VS natural diamonds for example, or how brand products can hike up their price thousands of times just for the sake of "looking authentic".
And like in the video said, it can also be the big industries being afraid of losing control of the market. Likewise it can also be co-opted by politicians to use in their fear mongering campaigns, like see how American politicians have been saying "they're coming to take your hamburgers away! The hamburgers that's the symbol of our American pride!"
But to play devil's advocate, concerns over the current safety levels of lab grown meat, how green it actually is and how much of it is merely greenwashing, and fearing millions of job losses in the agriculture sector are legit and not to be lightly disregarded either.
It may take time to reassure farmers and convince consumers. Farmer's fears can be alleviated by ensuring all these changes are improvements and will be available to farmers as open source technologies to adopt, and farmers can switch over. One thing the policy must ensure is that no monopolization happens, and transitions are 100% inclusive.
@@peterpanimg Monopolisation can't be avoided. The companies starting out now or companies who make very smart decisions will dominate the market in the future. Also farmers aren't scientists so they shouldn't be growing lab-grown meat. As was stated in the video, farmers would need to produce more crops to sustain the lab process which would benefit them anyway as they can be much more efficient with their land by only growing crops
I am in favor of lab grown meat and cheese.
I'd definitely try lab grown food. Milk is already being produced in bio reactors, as is a protein enriched powder which can replace flour. That would free up vast tracts of land for rewilding. But a couple of points. Methane production in cattle can be reduced by around 90% by feeding them small amounts of red seaweed mixed with their normal feed. Also a large amount of animal feed is the byproducts of human crops, which makes the figures a lot less dramatic.
banning this is the dumbest thing, can't believe they actually did that
Most Gringos will think this is food, they're so used to ultra process garbage they won't notice the difference.
If it’s anything like banning books like the guy at Formo says… that’s a recipe for their success
I appreciate plant based foods being on market shelves. I was a vegetarian for 5 years and ate a lot of plant based meats. I began to have health issues eating them even with as balanced a diet as I could get. I no longer really trust plant based meats/imitation foods on shelves, particularly because most of those products use high volumes of seed oils and have other unhealthy ingredients, on top of being hyper processed. I'd like to see what exactly is in lab grown foods, how it breaks down in the body, the health effects of those foods, and the impact to the climate in production before I try it in earnest. I'd like to see the process of making lab grown foods as well. It's hard to shop for anything nowadays, and food has been a painpoint for my fiancee and I for quite a while now
So instead you're eating beans and other legumes, right?
Because if your body doesn't agree with processed foods, then the logical step is to go for the original source product instead: buy a pack of dried chickpeas, soak them, boil them, throw in some spices and you don't need conservants or high amounts of salt and sugar.
It's commendable you're concerned about what you're eating but currently the medical impact of eating animal products is extremely opaque during the production process, and what is known is that eating too much (i.e. the average amount of a Western consumer) is unhealthy later in life.
It strikes me as odd that people are more worried about the new unknown, potentially sustainable product, than the old, unsustainable unhealthy one
@@NewAge374That's the problem with the lab grown meat and other products that they are on the unknown side for human health than the traditional one,as others pointed out in the comment section,the problem(s) with plant based alternative is that they are usually UPF(Ultra Processed Food)and also that in order to give a specific taste and texture to this alternatives they use substance's that may create problem for the body,and also break the matrix of the food as our body know it and damage our health.
Now I am not against Lab Grown Meat or Plant- based alternative but against food that is doing damage to our health and planet.
The questions we should be looking for are not:
What should we do to our food in order to have a better planet and health.
And should be more like what changes need to be done for our agriculture to have a better health and planet.
As others have said in the comments section about plant based alternative and the problem they have is that those Big Food that made them were using the same harmful ingredients/technology for our health and planet like the old ones instead of changing everything from the ground up.
Now if you make a plant based alternative in your home that will be more sustainable and healthy than the one in a grocery store.
I flew over rural countryside today, and was crushed by how empty and destroyed the landscape was - nothing but crops from horizon to horizon. We need to fix the earth, give some of it back to nature.
I'm pretty sure the push is to do less animals and more crops.....
@@dexterdrake1734 A lot of crops are used to feed animals so reducing farmed animals will slow down our expansion of crop land and maybe when our population starts decreasing we will give some of the farmland back to nature
@@edgeribble I think farmland has been reduced by 30% or something like that since WW2. We just became more efficient at farming. We are also facing a population crash so a lot less mouths to feed. I don`t want to eat pseudo food. I don`t think we need it either. This sounds unnatural and should be banned.
Food is already too fake and filled with conservatives, chemicals and other shit. Now they want to remove the entire food for the chemicals. No thanks.
With all the money in nondairy r&d I’m surprised there’s no good cow-less milk yet. I absolutely love the taste of milk and have tried every single alt-milk I’ve had access to, and nothing even comes close
Even with mostly-polluting energy sources, I doubt lab-grown meat is even close to creating as much greenhouse gas emissions as entire farm animals are.
If all of the farming industry only used green energy sources, then it would also create much much less GHG emissions, but growing an entire animal just to harvest as meat less than 2/3 of its weight-all the while the energy the animal's body uses throughout its life is mostly to maintain itself and move about rather than being only to grow new muscle tissue-is by design more energetically wasteful than simply growing the specific tissue, regardless of energy source.
Also, I think lab grown tissue wouldn't burp methane, and possibly require less care and maintenance than an animal does (at least potentially, I don't know how it stands right now from a laboratory standpoint).
I would totally like to taste it for free! Maybe that's what this industry needs, free demo events to present to people their products.
Great idea! Would be really cool to taste it. I wonder how itcompares to 3d printed meat
Yeah, good marketing will do the trick.
I only have meat a couple of days a week and would quite happily eat culture meat.
I hope I get to see this become successful in my lifetime 💛
There is a documentary on RUclips called Dominion Documentary that explains the urgency of this.
The biggest fear imo should be, just like with GMOs, the question of who produces the food and who has access to the means of production (intellectual property, know-how, specialized equipment, etc), because like with GMOs, barriers to a decentralized/distributed and free food production system can create some really messed up and awful situations, for individuals, communities, and whole countries.
I want animal killing to end. But what if we end up in a situation where the law forbids traditional means of meat production, but it also prohibits us, through intellectual patents and very high capital costs, to produce our own meat, and in this situation we are in a heavily meat-consuming culture. I think that could lead to some really messed up situations of dependency and power for the producers.
This is SO important and not receiving enough attention.
Glad to see things changing.
Wonder why Beyond Meat etc isn't selling as well this year. I think it tastes good.
I've just mostly been eating Huel now. Plant based. Healthy. Quick. What more could I ask for.
Great video, I’m super excited for the future. I hope lab grown meat and dairy replace animal agriculture, and I hope vertical farming becomes more mainstream and replace agriculture in general and prevent the use of crop deaths and pesticides!
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In the cheese market, CASEIN is the answer. In traditional cheese making they actually remove the whey from the curds of cheese. If Formo can get casein-based precision fermentation cheese on the market, it will beat everything I have tasted so far.
California company Perfect Day already produces lab-grown casein in addition to whey. There is ice cream, flavored milk, and cream cheese made with their lab-grown milk proteins available for sale. No regular cheese yet. The basic problem is that lab-grown milk and meat proteins are fundamentally extremely expensive to produce. They result in products that are more expensive than the most expensive artisanal, family-farm, pasture-raised dairy and meat, while having the quality of the cheapest ultra-processed junk food. So they will only be a niche product for rich vegans.
@@jeremylavineThey might not be expensive when they have scaled up their manufacturing.
Lab-grown meat is more than just "clean" meat. The same technology can also be used to grow organs for transplants.
As a long term vegetarian (35 years plus) it's interesting for me to see vegetarian products that seem primarily intended for non-vegetarians. It used to be that people chose to be vegetarian for their own personal health, as well as the other usual ethical considerations. Here - I might be wrong, but it's how it seems to me - are products that are depending on an ethical choice from people who aren't (as) concerned about the impact of their food choices to their own health. If endeavours like this really want to be successful it seems they will have to break away from the idea of vegetarian food and health food being one and the same. It's a pity this report didn't discuss the health impacts of these products.
It does seem to be not meat for people who want to carry on eating meat. I always find that an odd psychological concept. The cheese I am happy to try but I am never sure about the entire concept of fake meat.
I’m incredibly happy to eat plant based meat whether simply produced or lab grown. The only reason I stopped buying synthetic ground beef is because the cost was higher locally than actual beef. The same overpricing has been an issue with synthetic cheese for many years. Most people just cant afford these choices. I know that the meat industry is subsidized, but until it isn’t most Americans diets will in many ways be shaped by cost.
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Meat and dairy are an addiction like any other. You know it is bad, but you just won't admit it. Then at first, you are reluctant to quit, then you go through the withdrawal crisis looking for any kind of replacement or substitute (like the ones in this video), and once you're on the other side, you're never going back. I've been a plant-based eater (you could call me a vegan) for 10 years now. Getting off cheese was really hard because of caseo-morphins, but I'm happy I did it. I still support these alternatives because they would help more people transition. But in the end, nothing beats a whole foods plant-based diet, not in terms of health, not in terms of the impact on the planet, and certainly not in terms of cruelty.
This isn't traditional agriculture, it's large scale agriculture
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I have no emotion or desire to protect agriculture. Meat and cheese alternatives all have just tasted terrible. I keep trying em, I keep hating em
Then don't and have beans and nuts instead. Still plant-based, much lower impact
If you can get lab grown meat, or bug protein, and get it on the shelves for a good price, I would totally buy it. I love farming, but I farm as a hobby and see the value in alternate sources of protein.
Does bug prtein taste good?
I wouldn't want to lose access to my favorite meat and dairy foods, but I'd be delighted to know that options free from animal cruelty are available. I would absolutely try it and use it
Traditional farming is a misnomer. Most of these large scale livestock operations today have little to do with how farming was done at the time of our grand-parents. One question I have though is whether these products can replicate the same profile of the nine essential aminoacids that you get when you consume an animal based product. I am not vegan but my understanding is that it can be hard to replicate that when moving away from animal products.
-shows pigs locked up between bars and chicken in windowless halls by the thousands, speaks of traditional farming-
Yeah that was an unfortunate mistake in the editing of this video.
As to the second part, I cannot answer like a nutritional scientist, but hard is not impossible. We still live in a globalised world so if we have to get these vegetal amino-acids from somewhere, we will
Rice and beans is a complete protein for humans, so it's definitely achievable. Lots of cultures have been completely or nearly vegetarian, and historically meat has been more of a luxury than it is now.
The real issue is things like B12, which we can easily add to foods.
@@GamesFromSpace But even there B12 is not an issue, it just needs a lab to create in the same quantities as today, just feed the supplement pills to humans instead of lifestock.
I say this rather than adding it to foods because it's easier to control the quantities you actually need, to prevent becoming dependent on processed foods with such added elements.
I have no issue eating it occasionally if it tastes good. To eat regularly, I have to be absolutely certain beyond doubt for it to be safe long term.
If it mouth feels and tastes the same, I'm in👍
It's the future. No point fighting it.
These alternatives are agreeable. I agree with Raffa about level field to all, and add any science and tech related to alternatives should be 100% open source/community owned, such that any person can adopt and switch over to alternative production without license fees, royalties. No company doing this work should have any exclusive rights. Government can back company's research costs, and company becomes part of the industry to earn just like any other farmer/producer would.
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Little correction: the reason why agriculture is massively subsidised world-wide is not to maintain millions of people in employment…
it is to feed billions of humans, regardless of weather conditions/adversities/circumstances.
Agriculture is basically essential. That’s why.
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I’m down for actual cultured meat, not just highly processed pea protein
As someone who is far from well informed on this topic, I wonder if lab grown meats are truly the solution. I mean what happens when the companies finally perfect the tastes and textures and everything else and everyone adopts their products? Wouldn't it lead to the same problems? Knowing the capitalistic lust for infinite growth, wouldn't it lead to the same indiscriminate use of natural resources and environmental pollution? Knowing the insatiable nature of humans, wouldn't it lead to the same overconsumption and waste? We all know cows shit and fart. I would like to know what kind of waste their labs produce.
It's hilarious to me that people who call themselves environmentalists refuse to give up animal products or oppose this technology when changing our eating habits is something anyone can do to protect the environment.
I’m totally up to trying lab grown cheese and meat. I worked in the plant based food industry for a year (fat/oil based) and it’s very processed with big gaps vs real dairy counterparts. So I’m curious if Formo will make it.
The long-term effects and nutrition are not really a part of this conversation as far as I know and that's unfortunate. I agree with the view that commercial practices in the food industry need reform. However, as a farmer, I understand that raising animals in a more traditional way is actually more beneficial for the local environment than cutting down all my trees and trying to just grow vegetables.
But, the reason I farm my own meat and veggies is because I value how nutritious they are for my family. There are no long-term studies on lab-grown foods and as history has shown many times, man-made products are usually vastly inferior to natural ones. Just look at the supplement industry as an example.
I'd give lab grown meat and cheese a try. One point I find interesting with this is how you can make luxury kinds of meat and cheese. For example: corn fed chicken is viewed as having a better flavor. But it's expensive. If the farmland currently being used for chickens is turned over to feed for the labs, would it be possible to craft chicken that tastes as if it was corn fed?
There's a lot of possibility in this line of research. Do you think you'll look at how the food industry can change so that the farmers can support themselves with new industries such as lab-grown food?
Lab grown meat can have the exact same chemical makeup as animal based meats
And it will be way more energy and resource efficient than factory farms
I feel like trying to reinvent meat or cheese is something that we don't need. This is either a big waste of money or future upcoming innovation.
Beer, wine, cheese, tofu, soy sauce, marmite, vegemite, real bread. Always have been "lab-grown."
Indeed, creating wine requires a thorough understanding of chemistry. But watch as you start selling as artificial and people stop buying and go into withdrawal.
Labs have this cold and emotionless association attached. Perhaps we should change our vocabulary to make it sound more like the culinary experiences other processed foods are sold as. Beer being social and warm, cheese cozy and lazy, bread as stable and multi-purpose.
I think bio reactor meat and conventional farming are both great. We can use both to drive prices down.
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Yeah EU subsidies are so wrong. They should let the markets decide - or atleast give both plant-based and animal based farmers the same chance.
Here in Sweden the plant-based companies get millions of SEK in subsidies while the meat and dairy industry gets billions in SEK so atleast x1000 the amount.
Not a fair fight.
That is why a chicken breast filé can cost around $5 a kilo and soy beans (fed to the chickens) cost around twice that much.
I hope they focus on scaling up existing products first. For instance, I can buy soybeans online to make 1 kg of tofu for about 1.70 euros (in Germany). In supermarkets, 1 kg of the cheapest tofu costs twice as much, and if you're looking for something special like silken tofu, you might end up paying four times the price.
I'm tottaly in!
We could solve a lot of problems with sustainable farming
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I know they are starting to make cultured milk. So can't that be used for alternatively sourced cheeses?
Can anyone explain to me why is there always attempt to mimic animal foods? I'm not a vegan myself, but I'm often trying to enrich my diet with plant based food, replace some meat with plant nutrients, there is so much good recipes and forms in which food can be consumed, why even try to mimic meat?
Because they prefer to eat poison instead of feeling guilty of killing animals. Just people trying to feel good eating ultra processed food.
That's odd because you would be part of the target group, flexitarians who reduce intake of animal products.
I don't want to make assumptions for what reason you include plant-based foods, but for ease of the argument we can take the health angle.
With other ¨flexitarians¨ there is a sense of ethics that animal cruelty is wrong so they try to avoid it, but don't want to make it too difficult for the people around them. They could propose products that mimic animal-based foods in every aspect to eat with their family or friends, and in theory it shouldn't cause Christmas dinner to turn into madness.
Yet for others, they associate animal products with psychological wellbeing, comfort food if you will. Instead of deconstructing their relation to food, it appears easier at first glance to eat something familiar but with a different production behind it.
@@NewAge374 Thanks, I wasn't aware of term flexitarians, that perfectly describes my eating preferences. Though I still don't understand who could choose that, those foods with replaced meats usually tastes awful, when at the same time there is wide variety of state-of-art vegetarian dishes. I think that every dish must be in it's grace.
I would not call the current Agriculture Industrial Complex "traditional farming"... It's a giant lobby of extremely wealthy people owning the entire food production all over the world and it's so industrialized and disconnected from nature that it has almost nothing to do with traditional farming other than the origin of the animals and plants. They work with highly modified and patented but extremely small and genetically poor selection of plants and animals that are dependent on hormones, pesticides and tons of fertilizer. They feed their encaged animals food that's not recognizable as food anymore and which relies on the destruction of entire ecosystems to keep it growing for a few years until the fields turn into deserts. They keep the animals in extremely small cages and service and process them in an industrial style with robots and machines to maximize their profit. They fill fields the size of small countries with monoculture plants that are only edible after they are enzymatically processed which makes the people even more dependent on them. They intimidate or even kill small farmers or politicians that dare to work against them. And they willingly destroy any knowledge of old, environmentally friendly and reliable farming techniques and limit the genetic diversity of the plants and animals to keep people from escaping their trap. They have a whole army of lawyers and lobbyists to guard their power against any movements that advocate for change. It's a criminal industrial complex that keeps the food production in their greedy hands until every single person relies on their mercy.
I want a video about the rubbery fruits and vegetables that are on the supermarket
Thats untrue...it has "dented the impact of dairy and meat". Dairy consumption is down over 40% is the UK and US and plant based foods are on track to be worth billions. Im not saying animal agri is dissappearing but there is definitely a dent
Video starts at 5:15, and skip to 7:06 if you don't like eating noises
If you can make lab-grown meat, that is the same as regular meat, such that it can only be differentiated from it, even in a lab, by being "too perfect/flawless", and the same with lab-grown milk... Then yes, I'd be fine with that.
Lab grown meat will never be as mainstream as people want... just look at the beyond meat trend - for a while everyone was offering it then slowly as companies saw the losses they were taking on it they started disappearing again. Yes a few places still offer it but the mainstream demand simply isn't there.
From an environmental standpoint - animal agriculture in a regenerative farm setting is far more beneficial for the environment than monocrop soy/wheat/whatever fields that are constantly sprayed with chemicals. Up here in Alberta Canada animals are big business and are far less emissions per calorie than many fruit/vegetable crops that are imported.
I will be happy to pay this 20% more for cheese/meat which taste the same but without animal involvent
You didn't answer the most important question.... will the cheese melt? Can it be incorporated into classic dishes?
I don't mind having to learn new recipes - but I would really like to hold on to some classics, like I dunno, cheese cake?
Oh come on dude. You'll have to buy the meltable mozzarella variant for pizzas then. Unless you typically throw blocks of camembert and brie on your dishes.
Spoiler, vegan cheese cake already exists and it tastes like cheese cake
@@NewAge374 duuuude. I was asking about THIS project. This vegan doesn't need you to mansplain, ty.
@@infinitivez Sorry about that. I guess I was prepared to see mostly vegan-bashing commentaries on this video so I read your comment as someone who is extremely concerned about their fetishised milk suffering as much as possible
@@NewAge374 Honestly, I was expecting to see a lot of those too, so I totally understand.
These animals are miserable because they are sooooo awfully crowded and it can’t be a nice life.
Looking forward to seeing Formo on the market.
Is there an Index Fund for stocks for these companies?
I would absolutely eat these products as it does not systematically force into the world and needlessly violate the lives of innocent sentient beings. Ethics is important as to is the environment.
Everyone should be for it if it increases the food supply for all with less risk to the environment... Just like everyone should strive to eat as much colorful fruit and veg every day even in the heart of cattle country where I am... Steak is good, but so are salads!
I dont see the need to change our eating habits granted that in most places in the world there is a thousands of years of history of us being an agricultural society. We can argue about cruelty and all of that i get it but our way of doing agriculture didnt become a problem for our planet until capitalism and industrialization got mixed in. Mass production has been the problem with how we handle the animals we've used for food. The video acknowledges that it's the western countries that actually consume the most amount of meat. We obviously know it's not like people just don't eat meat in the global south but those same practices to mass produce livestock aren't as prevalent. I grew up in latin america where theres a fair amount of people who do subsistence farming if they can. If western countries want to do that and make that transition by all means go ahead but i hope they dont try to force this on the rest of the world if this transition is ever successful and hope that you don't see yourselves as better when the climate crisis was caused by western countries.
1000 years ago we were not 8 billion people either so we didn’t have to cut down the Amazon rainforest to make room for all the cows.
I'm a cheese-fiend, it's pretty much the only thing keeping me from going vegan. So I can't wait for these cheese varieties to hit my supermarket shelves.
I have concern with the economical impact
We need the EU to remove all obstacles and red tape that are holding the industry back.
Yeah EU subsidies are so wrong. They should let the markets decide - or atleast give both plant-based and animal based farmers the same chance.
Here in Sweden the plant-based companies get millions of SEK in subsidies while the meat and dairy industry gets billions in SEK so atleast x1000 the amount.
Not a fair fight.
That is why a chicken breast filé can cost around $5 a kilo and soy beans (fed to the chickens) cost around twice that much.
I’d try it
I want to give that meat and cheese a chance, I just need a little money
47% of US land is used for agriculture. 85% of that is dedicated to feed crops for livestock! It doesn't take a maths genius to deduce that a reduction in farm-raised meat would reduce the land used for livestock feed, or that less cows means less methane from cow burps and farts.
Then there's water use. It takes 1,800 gallons of water to generate just one pound of beef.
How about antibiotics? A full 80% of US antibiotic production is for livestock. Why? Because they're raised in the most unsanitary conditions. To put it bluntly, in industrial feedlots, cows are raised shin-deep in shit. Without antibiotics (and growth hormones), most of these cows wouldn't survive to the point where they're ready for slaughter.
So, if you were Big Pharma, would you be in favor of figuratively slitting the throat of a significant revenue stream?
If you were an owner or a Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation, or CAFO, that generated as much human waste for 200,000 cattle as a city of 1,000,000, completely unregulated, how are you incentivized to clean up your act?
Unless and until environmental damage and health effects are priced into commodities, traditional industries will never change and companies with actual solutions to real problems will continue to be priced out of sustainable profitability.
I'm looking very much forward to lab-grown food. I will begin looking for Formo cheese!
But I prefer meat from chicken and pigs to subverting international law by buying lab-meat from Israel.
Just want veggie bacon.
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Where can I get that cheese???
Yes if its free
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If it makes it easier for me to consume 180g of protein each day I will eat it. If it makes it more difficult I will not. If it is more then 10% expensive then regular meat I will not buy it.
Yes, I would eat it.
Can you grow baby meat in a lab?
Great ideas but are we even considering the amount of increased consumption of all this food over time that is perhaps a bigger contributor to climate change in turn? The abundant or affluent parts/populations of the world consume way over the standard 2000 kcal diets of which meat, eggs, fish and dairy form a large part that also contributes to obesity and other health issues in the long run. May be in the coming years we will come to a realization that overconsumption ( as sum of all the parts, not limited to food alone) is a much bigger factor than many others that we're individually trying to solve here.
I am interested in food alternatives but I need to be clear about something. I am never, seriously, never going to consider cow burps, farts or manure, to be a valid part and concern of greenhouse emissions.
Save the numbers you have calculated. I am not on board with factoring animal digestive tract as part of global emissions.
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@@DWPlanetA It was actually a very fascinating video. I know people in Canada who are starting agri-forests or food forests. And I appreciated that it explains the animal emissions is really calculated by the intensive monoculture and tractor use required for providing feed to the animals. That makes more sense than blaming cow farts.
@@jeremygibbs7342if you consider they have thousands of cows and actually, that actually spends most of their days just digesting foods on their four stomachs, each producing a lot of waste gases during digestion, and methane is a 28 times more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, it’s could be really problematic.
it’s not because you don’t believe in it, it just stops being true.
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That Israeli company, listen.
Change your cow cells for buffallo and bring it to India, you will be in business forever.
Ultra processed food is NOT a healthy choice. Perhaps a documentary on UPF by DW?
Hmm… I’ll eat it. But I like the idea of mushrooms and such. Lower tech, locally grown stuff without the chopped hectares.
When the WHO categorised processed meat and a class 1 carcinogen, there has been a big propaganda wave trying to switch the narrative from processed meat to ultra processed foods.
You can add as many ingredients as you want and grind and extract without it being unhealthy.
Adding meat(processed) means it is carcinogenic and adding high sugar and/or salt is also very unhealthy.
Don't label everything as equal, just learn what ingredients to avoid and buy healthier choices.
There is no indication that this is processed meat, nor that it includes sugar and salt.
There are no pesticides or any indication of unhealthy preservatives also.
How about health, your immune system those bugs in your belly how do they feel about all this....
I am allergic to lab foods 🍲.
Well, when you make a video about synthetic foods without any opposite opinions/facts, people will say “I love it”. Most environment channels became propaganda machines with one-sided opinions.
We are forgetting that industrial food producers always put tons of junk in the “food”.
Think of old fashioned bread vs the industrial bread that never goes bad.
Nutrition is the key. Taste, texture, and cost can be innovated.
I like the focus on cheese, but I wish they would stop trying to mimic milk-based cheeses. Cheddar and Mozzarella are unique and both wonderful. Just make the best plant-based cheese you can and give it a new name.
I a sense, this is plant-based. And if you consider beer vegan, than this cheese is also vegan.
A big concern for me is, how to market this (butter vs margarine), and whether products with precision fermented ingredients can be legally sold as "real" cheese or "real" meat.
I think of how alcohol for drinking can only be legally produced (and distilled) if the sugar used for the brewing with yeast is from fruits or cereal/Grain and not wood (Sawdust brandy / Holzbranntwein) or the legal difference between pizza cheese vs analogue pizza cheese.
I feel like it would be better to spend our energy and money on educating people on plant-based eating instead.
As a long-time vegetarian, this needs to be fast-tracked not only because of morals of ending the despicable industry of slaughter and torture of sentient beings, but also environmental preservation through ending forest cover destruction for farmland expansion. A big fight against big meat industry will have to be fought though.
Oh and, I'd rather eat grass until the last day of my life than consume anything produced in Israel.
Carnism is ending. Just a decade or two. Just wait. The future is more compasionate.
with in 5 years
Cannibalism would follow soon. Shed your illusions 😏
Good luck with that
Keep dreaming
Cows are carbon neutral, they don't emit more carbon than they consume.
I thought this is about fish milk 😂
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This is an expensive and not that much sustainable plaster over something that is simpler and more efficient to tackle: food waste.
We waste literally 50% of the food produced world wide…
Do we need all this food engineering? Absolutely not. Waste less, respect nature and the food it provides, respect the animal and its meat that you intend to eat.
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Vegan for the animals💚 (It will help people go vegan, so I absolutely support lab-grown alternatives, as long as they don’t need animal cells.)
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Calling meat as animal cruelty is crazy. We human are fricking omnivores.
On the other notes, I might consider depending on the process of the food making. I would prefer traditional meat tho. The only thing I hate about industries, as much as I hate it, is the waste from it.
So what is the connection between the two things?, if we are omnivores, the industry of factory farming cows is not cruel and inhumane anymore?
You reasoning doesn’t make any sense.
@@willy4170 That is our fricking nature. If you mean how they manage it is inhumane then yeah there is possible arguments for it. However, stating that eating meat is cruelty just straight up stupid. Be Vegan if you want, but dont be stupid.
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The question is why do it at all? Are we just that squeamish, have we deteriorated as a species this much as to believe we shouldn't act as a living being and kill other beings? I'm ok with lab grown meat as long as it is the same as natural one and CHEAPER. All other reasons are just plain stupid.