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What's The Deeper Meaning Behind the TV Show ‘Them’?
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2024
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I’ve watched both, and the point is the generational trauma racism causes the black community.
Facts.
Jews overcame the holocaust to become successful, but you're saying the black community is to weak to over come the trauma of their past?
@@theonly_VT Jews overcame the holocaust to become successful, but you're saying the black community is to weak to over come the trauma of their past?
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Yep, we are passing down our trauma through our DNA 🧬.
Lovecraft Country is in the same vein; racial trauma is black folks real-life horror story.
this was way more traumatic than Lovecraft.
@@KarenHunterShow The ‘sundown’ scene in the first episode of Lovecraft had the effect on me the way certain scenes in “Them” had on you. It still frightens me.
@@KarenHunterShow Way more traumatic than Lovecraft Country. Lovecraft has a liberative arc. "Them" season 1 is straight-up trauma porn.
@@KarenHunterShow I'm not ready
Lovecraft Country was wayyyy better
We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES. Take heed people.
Because those unmelanateds in season one were definitely some demons.
The first season of "Them" is well-written and triggering simultaneously.
A lot of people thought bad only happened in southern states, but it was and is this whole damn country.
They still do
As someone born & raised in CA....I can't disagree....as progressive as CA claims to b there's just as much ugliness here as in southern red states.....
I never see an angry black woman when I view your show, Karen. I view you as a sista who is well informed and concerned for her community. Keep doing you. The two of inspired me to tune in to the Them and see what's going on. Thanks.
thank you.
Amen! Not angry, ain't one to play with, but serious about her mission💯
Truly appreciate her.....💜
Say that! ♥♥♥
I grew up in the 60's . Our family was the first black family to move onto our block. I was 6. 6 years before us another black family moved into the all white area 4 blocks away from us and got met with a cross burning on the front yard. They stayed
and worked it out with the white neighbors who eventually moved out. I didn't learn about convenants until much later in my adult life. I kinda figured out red lining. U don't have all white neighborhoods and black people living in their area's by accident.
Now there are more gentrified area's that have a mix but most of the time white people are the majority and then people of color will make up a smaller percentage.I didn't see the trailer for this. Sounds like something I would skip. Boy systemic racism goes deep. Tired of some white people saying we play the victim card when they don't even know all of our history.
Now add HOA on top of that….. #Wild
What's interesting is that, these shows in 2024 are meant to remind (for us to remember) our experiences and re-solidify the lies they've told. It also does the exact same for. The system is fixed, it needs to be broken.
"# A half truth is a whole lie."
We needed to see it, but still freaking traumatizing. I remember a lot from when I was a child and started getting upset as a young teen because I found out the freakin truth.
I understand why it was made because it’s important to know history in America, but I agree it was sooo hard to watch without putting my foot through my television
Black folks love their hell otherwise you would move on from past traumas like Jews did.
My mom said she felt the same way when Roots came out in the 70's. She was filled with rage and said she couldn't finish the entire series.
Haven't watched, don't plan too. Good discussion 👍🏾
This show evokes a visceral reaction
I just recently watched Season 1 of Them after ignoring this show. Then I decided to watch it and binged watch in a day and 1/2. It is triggering, but the historical references are well woven into the story. The relevancy to today is what is truly frightening.
so relevant, unfortunately...and we seem to be going backward.
I saw the previews of 'Them' and decided the show was not for me. 🤨
A lot of people don't read and the only way they "learn" is through visual imagery and/or music. There have been things that i have seen in movies that prompted me to research and learn more about a particular subject. I know these things are hard to watch but if we dont educate ourselves and our children we will truly be lost.
I watched season one, it was a good depiction of Redlining, insurance and mortgage rates manipulation what was common in our history. And take it as a history lesson and reminder for those who don't know or forgot how we got here. A lot of us think we belong on that particular side of the tracks and not understanding many of us were forced there decades ago. Some people didn't know about the Tulsa Massacre until Lovecraft Country aired. It's kind of sad and diabolical how they can hide history in plain view. So we are going to need these reminders now and then.
I watched both seasons and it is traumatic theater but rooted in reality so I think it is, must watch TV to remind people of what has been done and currently being done since some people have short memories or trouble connecting the dots.
Season 1 was good, but I am not sure what's happening with Season 2. Yes, Karen, the amout of Black people that have bought into this 'what's wrong with Black people narrative'. That cat in the bag had me jacked up for about a week. The Red-lining and the racism Black Soldiers come back from war experience explained where we are today with Black homeowners
I couldn’t finish this show. It made my skin scrawl for many reasons.
Why no one is talking about "The tap dance man". He's that typical you know what in every hood . We really need to analyze this character . We catch hell from within and outside of our community.
The thing about creating blight in black communities is absolutely a thing. Developers and real estate profiteers will buy up blocks of property and instead of putting money into them and rent them out them just let them degrade until the city indemnifies them. The city then marks them as tear downs.
Disinvestment.
Exactly. It's intentional. Crime in the community increases and police response time decreases. The older homeowners become worried and then they move or pass away. Their houses are sold at a fire sale discount, and the speculators and developers move in. Rinse and repeat.
And if they hold on, guess what? They have eminent domain to take well cared for homes and businesses to claim land.
@@rosannesmith8814 it’s not a bug it’s a feature. I didn’t really understand this until I started getting into investment real estate. I would always wonder when I would travel around the country why black communities in low income areas all look the same. It made me look at our communities very differently when I learned about how money is made from them by dubious people who don’t care about the residents at all. We are literally preyed on.
Them was beautifully done
It’s a lot
But you have to watch it
Both seasons are great finished the second in one night must watch.
I don't watch painful television shows because saw enough that deal growing up. No need to be reminded of that on TV.
More fuel for our reparations argument.
This show Keeps Us WOKE to the fact that we are still living in a time of racism even though you have politicians that say that this country is not a racist country every other day on the news it proves that it is! #ADOS
Even through the horror it's also teachable
That is true….but I feel like adding the paranormal forces to the story was a bit of a cop out. The horror existed without ghosts. They missed a great opportunity imo.
Yup! Why make it a double horror feature. Racism is horror-filled enough. 😮
I like Tyler Merritt. Really enjoying this conversation. In Isabel Wilkerson’s The Warmth of Other Suns, one of the characters is a Black physician leaving Louisiana to go to Los Angeles, and he talks about the racism he and his family encountered in Los Angeles in 1950. Even Nat King Cole and his family experienced horrific racism in Los Angeles in 1950.
Season 2 is better than season 1. It's about trauma, racism and generational curses within the black community.
Season 1 was easier to follow
Great show!!! Both seasons!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Karen we saw what you did. Team KENDRICK!
The show “Them” is real life. I cannot watch that show.
Wow, my family was the first family to move on block in newark NJ vailsburg section. It was a pure terror. We use to get chased by European in trucks. 1970
I watched the maybe two episodes of Them and couldn’t go back. It’s too traumatic
For me there saying the evil outside of their house is just as evil as inside their house
Them was so triggering I haven’t been able to finish the first series!
Me too!!
The first season of the series THEM Is like suffering from racial battle fatigue to the hundredth power. And the macro and micro aggressions that they had to deal with every day.
You can mess with your head if you don't understand where it's coming from.I understand that nothing is wrong with us.Something happened to us.
I saw this when it came out two years ago. I had the same visceral reaction. Nightmares visited me for a while. Not giving away any spoilers, season two takes places in LA during the early 90s. This anthology series reminds me of American Crime.
The underlying question is, who is the intended audience for this show?
I have not watched it and do not intend to. I find myself experiencing significant emotional distress for several days after watching movies or shows that depict Black trauma.
yes...emotional distress and trauma watching it will happen.
Season 2 is much more digestible. I think the producers may have listened to the criticism about Season 1 and made adjustments.
I tried and could not make it through episode 1. I love the way you weave real history into the discussion.
What an excellently written and produced season! Just your reviews alone are evidence of that. Writers and directors long for their work to create such strong responses.
Can we just take a moment to imagine being on Prof. Hunter's text list though?! What a gift! 😊
I was not okay watching that series. It was brilliantly done, but the story started to feel like someone’s torture pr0n. I dropped out somewhere in the middle.
Good show and good commentary. Thanks.
I've been saying 4 yrs that this experience of racism is other worldly & unnatural. Some1 told me to watch Them and if you're sort of curious, seeking, empathic, read up on your scriptures, etc then u'll see so much more. It was so dark I could not finish it. The guy that came in the shadows was too mcuh 4me. I wasn't ready. Back to racism, I think it's more than evil & as a "christian" I constantly ask how is this the experience of humanity & to what end. Society as created feels more like hell but not the hell as depicted... but if I could capture in words/imagery... I'd say what society is experiencing is hell-- we don't know it becuz it doesn't look like what we thought or have been taught that it looks like. There's no peace & every ill you can think of exists... I don't think this is normal & I don't think the creator created this for man/woman kind. *This is unnatural and so are they.*
Thank you for telling me what I needed to know about “Them”. I had a feeling it was going to be exactly what you described. But I was planning to give it a look hoping I was wrong.
We already have enough REAL trauma to deal with. I don’t consider that “entertainment”.
Fear of genetic annihilation or in other words fear of a black planet. This is why our struggle as black people will never end. We can't stop moving forward.
Also, watch The Banker.
Definitely will be watching this show. Hate that i slept on it but there are a lot of deep shows on tv these days. There really are.
I'm going to watch it this weekend.
You are sooo right Karen!
I watched the first season of Them but I'm hesitant to watch season 2. I have to be in the right head space for it.
Jordan Peele said all black people live in a horror movie.
Saw the first season of Them. Very disturbing. Make me wonder why at this point we can't work together. With technology today we can do better. The Boule and some churches keep us divided. IMO.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾thank u!
There is a HUGE issue in the messaging this season: the adoption of Black children itself is portrayed as evil or having evil consequences. That message is crystal clear given the fact - mild spoiler - that multiple characters are adopted and it doesn't matter if the adoptive parents are good or not good at all; the adopted children are messed up or it is heavily implied they will be. The underserved fate of one character, given what we learn, is wholly tied to adoption. This message is not subtly threaded or presented merely as a matter of fact; it is hammered home as a major theme throughout the season.
I've already co-signed a few friends' posts about how great Luke James is in his role and how I dug the show. That was when I was still engrossed in this season's early episodes. As the season progressed and the messaging came into focus, I fell more out of favor with the season as a whole. This does not detract from the fine work of the cast and the decent production values. Luke James deserves a Best Actor in a Limited Series nomination. Pam Grier in Best Supporting Actress, too. It pains me, though. Normally, I can be objective about this kind of thing yet as an adoptee who comes from a family of adopted children and adoptive parents, this season is one I personally cannot recommend.
Yeah, agree. Luke just set himself up for major film roles. He did SUCH a phenomenal job that people will never see him the same way again.
Lots of people were saying they would not watch because they called it “trauma porn.” I am a horror fan. But Love Craft Country was the same vein.
I decided not to watch it. And I am glad!
I watched Them Part 1 the Covenant. It was indeed disturbing from start to end.
I tried watching the very first episode, but it caused me so much discomfort, so much unease and anger that I quit after 15 minutes. I tried the series again, this time the episode with "the red hair monster". I watched it to the end but I hated it. I won't watch any further episodes if any.
I watched Season 1 with someone I trusted. That is the only way I made it through. Too Much.
yes...you need a support group with this one.
My daughter was telling me about this, but I haven’t watched it yet. Now I am about to watch!
guard your heart.
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I BARELY got through Season 1! I can’t believe it’s back!!!! lol! I tapped out! 😂
I've watched Them season 1 twice. The historical racism is a trauma that's in our DNA. I think the supernatural parts reflects the deep mental trauma we endure. Amazing show. Everyone should watch it
Thank you for the discussion, but I think I will pass on watching the show at his time.
Like my brother Dr Pellipe Matthew's says Nothing is wrong with us.Something happened to us.
And I will stay in 10 toes down on business with that comment for the rest of my life.
I am getting ready to watch the first Them on season one.
I wasn't going to watch it at first but I saw the clip when she back handed the white lady after she called her a ninja and I had to know what lead up to that slap. I wasn't ready for this series but I couldn't turn away either.
same.
I made it all the way to episode 9 before I decided I couldn't watch anymore! I was scared of where the episode was going.
I just took a look at the trailer, and I was taken back to a time that I remember vividly!🤨🤔
It was confusing at first tying season 1 to season 2 until the end. It doesnt help that they had the same actor playing different roles
I had to stop watching Them when I realized I was having not one drop of empathy for the woman who was a victim of incest.
Whoa!! Just watched this yesterday and said to my people that week need a Black table talk to dissect this whole thing. It was so rough.
Dr Kaba Says it is natural to act unnaturally when you are in an unnatural environment
I binged S1 and it bothered me too! I had previously seen the clip of the slap, and finally decided to watch the Season in its entirety. The supernatural was icing. The cake was the real traumas in the South, neighborhood, the school and the professional settings - they were not entirely fictional. Many of us have lived through that mess. Reality IS the true horror-FL growth in the 1980s.
I’m from Cali it was like that. They had covenants that said you couldn’t sell your house to person of color or Jews.
I HATED season one and was shocked that it was renewed for a second season. I've shelved it in the trash with the rest of the black struggle trauma pxrn. Life is dark enough. 😮💨
I loved the show I think we are too sensitive nowadays to things about the horrors of being the other which is what the show is about and let's be honest let's not act like we are still not discriminated against today.
That is the problem. We have become desensitized to the horror, and it has made us emotionally dysfunctional. These images are presented to us with no empathy. This is what makes them more traumatic. Assuming that we have a higher threshold for the terrors of oppression is a continuation of WS tenets. We, too, should protect and cherish our spirits while also not sticking our heads in the sand. Setting boundaries with traumatic images in media is an important way for us to sidestep the mainstream media and its complete disregard for the spirit of “colored” folk. Oppressive images have been proven quite effective and there are statistics to back that up.
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TV, FILMS, MEDIA ARE STRATEGIC!
IT IS PROGRAMMING, MIND & EMOTIONS CONTROL WITH PURPOSE!
LUKE 11:2
Season 1 came out over a year ago on Netflix and my wife and I couldn't finish it.
I watched Season 1 three times. It is “traumatizable”. 🤣
three times?! You are amazing.
Second season was great. The ending was 😮
NOPE! AIN'T WATCH'N IT! I/We see that shit every day in real life.
5:56 Omg…Not the Professor 😂😂😂
I do not own a television and do not know what show is being discussed, but I came here to see what the "deeper meaning behind..." is about. Hum, it's not something I think I will engage with. As always, Thank you for the discussion.
I have watched many times- to catch it all
many times? how?
@@KarenHunterShow watched it at least 3 times- I know it’s very traumatic. I had to talk and yell thru it.
I couldn’t watch this. It is too much 😮
Black folks who are not well versed on this history, needs a primer and to speak with folks who know history. Its interesting that the supernatural would never really scares us....we also need to be careful, why and how this media is being brought to us.
I watched the new season and the show is deep. To me it's a show about the things that can be considered a horror to black folks. Our fears and trauma that we have suffered. Season 2 Karen is really going to mess you up.
I'm not strong enough to watch season 1. I'm a horror movie fanatic. I love sci-fi, fantasy, etc. I understand the kind of trauma I can take, that scene with the child being tossed took me out and I've never gone back. NO! God bless y'all, but for me and my mental health, NO.
I wasn't....still am not.
The show was great , Great actors/actresses however it was very disturbing I had to keep pausing and going back to it later ... But I guess that means they all did a Great job they had me
As a Detroiter, the negative propaganda being repeated by Black Detroiters and still echoed by Black folk is infuriating. Now that gentrification is here and blond ponytails bobbing while running through neighborhoods, I wonder where are the gangs and the wild dogs roaming the streets?
I started watching "Them", but I couldn't finish. I've found that as I've gotten older, I can't watch a lot of things depicting the historical or even recent trauma of black people. I can't sit through "12 years a slave" or "Amistad" again. I couldn't even watch an hour length crime show about Mitrice Richardson or about the innocent little black boys Sandusky abused. These things not only give me second-hand trauma but I start really despising ytes. Do I think these shows and movies should exist? Absolutely. Why? So that crimes against black people aren't forgotten and brushed under the rug. But at this point, I'm trying to preserve my mental health.
I was never interested in watching the show because i thought it was related to the movie of the same name. Just not really into horror and supernatural type shows anymore. Though this appears to run much deeper however, I'm not interested in seeing how blacks have been and continue to be abused by this government. Hell I'm having a hard time reading The Grift because the injustices revealed in it make my blood boil.
Thanks for the heads up. No sir. I will not be watching it! Don't need any additional stress in my life.
Season 2 is also very good..
I started. I want to finish but I can't watch it at night, the reality! 😢 😠😫
Season 2 is connected to Session 1. You wait and see. 🤔🤔🤔
These kinda of conversations reminds me of the people Richard Wright spoke about in his book Black Boy. These people will not do nothing but have conversations to flex their self intelligence, but outside of this will do nothing but see whi will be crowded the king or queen of the watercooler for the day 😮
Season 2 is linked to season 1.
*#KAREN**: "You're welcome--"* 🤣😂😂😅😂😂