In the tiny figures in the tiny thumbnail on my phone I RECOGNISED HELEN JOYCE!!!! And it’s 1am in Sydney but TOO BAD!!! ❤ Thank you to all these incredible women. ❤
Same! 😍 Thrilled to find her featured in a new panel, I've watched every single other interview of hers on RUclips at this stage 😅 She's such a legend, and so eloquent 👏🏻 Well done to all outspoken women involved!
Helen Joyce is an absolute star - everything she says is so perfectly expressed. A female version of Stephen Fry, if you will, and I could happily listen to her all day long.
My question is why are we taking "exceptional circumstances" to make laws that effect every one? As much as a tiny fraction of a fraction of people find it absolutely necessary to pursue this pathway, elevated this impluse to the status of a "human right" devalues the very notion of why we have "human rights" to begin with.
At 10:46 I am struck with one thought. Laws should never be so complicated or convoluted or confusing that the average person can't understand them, because it's the average person that's tasked with adhering to them. Special sex classes aren't held to the same standards and powerful, influential people won't be. What good are they then?
These laws certainly need repealing ie Human rights and sex discrimination laws. The process of taking a case to appeal is a punishment and costly. Just look at the hate crime bills in eg Scotland, and how people can be reported for the slightest comment that someone finds offensive. What ordinary person can afford such tribunal cases? Legal aid is not available to most people
So if we want things to change, ppl who believe sex is real need to deliver workplace trainings on how to have appropriate protocols to comply with the equality act...
this was excellent, thank you. one thing i wish i'd been there to ask is: the largest group with a trans identity in the UK are the 'non-binaries' and i'm entirely confused as to how someone without a sex/ two sexes can be protected or provided for under the Act? i say this, because you don't hear them whining about this issue much, almost as if they know that their abject nonsense is impossible to legislate...
Like someone else said, the sound only comes from the left (when listening with headphones). Bit grating but I just listened without headphones and it was okay, but would’ve driven me crazy if I’d been out and had to use headphones.
If humans add the word sacred then they begin to engage the human hearts that has been left out of the equation. Human truth is based on our soul and that is not a material matter.
@CrazyDiamond-y2y sorry to hear that. I have checked it on three different devices and it is working, so maybe there is a mute button on somewhere? The problem doesn’t seem to be with the video.
If there’s no sound for you, your left headphone isn’t working! The sound only comes from my left headphone and someone else said so too, in another comment.
While they dismiss the importance of repealing the GRA, I do think it would serve as a significant marker if it were to happen. A marker that says the state will deal in fact, not fiction. A marker that says we are on the right track to restoring sanity and truth.
One of the things that makes it very difficult to support groups like this is the utterly myopic focus on what is good for women. If it is disastrous and ludicrous for men, well, so what. If there were a misogyny law, there would need to be a misandry law also. Of course, misandry our culture is treated very much like racism against white people is (might be a lip-service nod to it once in a blue moon, but it's essentially fine). A misogyny law would be weaponised immediately against white men primarily. It would be completely misused, of course, and feminists wouldn't give a damn. The idea that gender critical women would be the primary target of such a law is laughably hyperbolic. "Hate" laws in general are a complete disaster, and every last one of them should be repealed immediately. I agree with the aims of these women and agree that the GRC etc are a terrible, and very bad joke. I agree that women should have single sex spaces, fair sport, etc. Too many feminist type who object to this stuff still buy into the bullshit of our age when it suits them, and that makes them difficult to support.
@@hooligan9794 there was no support for the misogyny law - I think you have missed the point. These ‘myopic’ women were discussing that laws wrongly applied do the opposite of what is intended. And to illustrate how the GRA bumps up against the EQA to the disadvantage of women lesbians and gay men, primarily. But thanks for watching.
@@women_outspoken Where exactly did I say they supported it? I was talking about the absurdity of the claim that it would be used primarily against women with gender-critical views, but thanks for reading.
@fionawhiteford2128 I was listening. Did Helen claim that the law would be primarily used against gender critical women or not? I like Helen, but this was either wild hyperbole or, more likely, her not having a clue about how men are treated these days. I understand folk like Helen being very angry at the crazy men, often nasty assholes, who parade themselves about in women's clothes like deranged entitled children. How such men are treated is a universe away from how men in general are treated, and a misogyny hate-crime law would be immediately put to use against men. I would not expect any fairness or justice in its application. Just like it is considered not just ok, but progressive, to actually discriminate against white men in most workplaces now.
We are so fortunate to have these clever articulate women fighting for us. Brilliant.
This was excellent. Wonderfully insightful women sharing their knowledge with clarity and humour. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Thank you , women! Clear, passionate and much needed.
brilliant. thank you so much for recording this and putting it out
@@helenbunter we are delighted that so many more people are now able to watch it. Thanks for watching!
In the tiny figures in the tiny thumbnail on my phone I RECOGNISED HELEN JOYCE!!!! And it’s 1am in Sydney but TOO BAD!!! ❤
Thank you to all these incredible women. ❤
Oh my god, I did too and clicked right away! I love her and now love all of these ladies
Same! 😍 Thrilled to find her featured in a new panel, I've watched every single other interview of hers on RUclips at this stage 😅 She's such a legend, and so eloquent 👏🏻 Well done to all outspoken women involved!
Love this! I would love to hear the conversations at the bar as well 😂 ❤
Helen Joyce is an absolute star - everything she says is so perfectly expressed.
A female version of Stephen Fry, if you will, and I could happily listen to her all day long.
How do we find out about events like this so we can attend?
Hi, follow us on Twitter FB - if we do more, that’s where you will see it. Thanks
@women_outspoken Perfect, thank you 💜💚🤍
My question is why are we taking "exceptional circumstances" to make laws that effect every one?
As much as a tiny fraction of a fraction of people find it absolutely necessary to pursue this pathway, elevated this impluse to the status of a "human right" devalues the very notion of why we have "human rights" to begin with.
At 10:46 I am struck with one thought. Laws should never be so complicated or convoluted or confusing that the average person can't understand them, because it's the average person that's tasked with adhering to them. Special sex classes aren't held to the same standards and powerful, influential people won't be. What good are they then?
But how can a trans woman be a lesbian, to me that is just s logical impossibility
Seems if they have a GRC it can, which is utterly wrong!
The same way a man can be a woman if he wears lippy.
Four absolute legends
Wow ..these women should be running the country ❤❤❤❤😂
Totally agree
Some very impressive intelects on show here.
Reassuring to see you all talking the law for us lay😊. Great to see Jo looking well after so much shit😇
Thank you
These laws certainly need repealing ie Human rights and sex discrimination laws. The process of taking a case to appeal is a punishment and costly. Just look at the hate crime bills in eg Scotland, and how people can be reported for the slightest comment that someone finds offensive. What ordinary person can afford such tribunal cases? Legal aid is not available to most people
So if we want things to change, ppl who believe sex is real need to deliver workplace trainings on how to have appropriate protocols to comply with the equality act...
this was excellent, thank you. one thing i wish i'd been there to ask is: the largest group with a trans identity in the UK are the 'non-binaries' and i'm entirely confused as to how someone without a sex/ two sexes can be protected or provided for under the Act? i say this, because you don't hear them whining about this issue much, almost as if they know that their abject nonsense is impossible to legislate...
Please reupload with fixed audio.
The sound seems ok here.
The sound is fine [for me].
@@women_outspoken Only the left channel is active and it has low volume.
Like someone else said, the sound only comes from the left (when listening with headphones).
Bit grating but I just listened without headphones and it was okay, but would’ve driven me crazy if I’d been out and had to use headphones.
Yes, it's mono.
If humans add the word sacred then they begin to engage the human hearts that has been left out of the equation. Human truth is based on our soul and that is not a material matter.
Why is there no sound?
There is sound
@CrazyDiamond-y2y sorry to hear that. I have checked it on three different devices and it is working, so maybe there is a mute button on somewhere? The problem doesn’t seem to be with the video.
If there’s no sound for you, your left headphone isn’t working! The sound only comes from my left headphone and someone else said so too, in another comment.
Helen is just so articulate and brilliant. She is such an asset to the opposition against trans ideology. She must be protected at all costs!!
While they dismiss the importance of repealing the GRA, I do think it would serve as a significant marker if it were to happen. A marker that says the state will deal in fact, not fiction. A marker that says we are on the right track to restoring sanity and truth.
❤🇬🇧
One of the things that makes it very difficult to support groups like this is the utterly myopic focus on what is good for women. If it is disastrous and ludicrous for men, well, so what.
If there were a misogyny law, there would need to be a misandry law also. Of course, misandry our culture is treated very much like racism against white people is (might be a lip-service nod to it once in a blue moon, but it's essentially fine).
A misogyny law would be weaponised immediately against white men primarily. It would be completely misused, of course, and feminists wouldn't give a damn. The idea that gender critical women would be the primary target of such a law is laughably hyperbolic.
"Hate" laws in general are a complete disaster, and every last one of them should be repealed immediately.
I agree with the aims of these women and agree that the GRC etc are a terrible, and very bad joke. I agree that women should have single sex spaces, fair sport, etc.
Too many feminist type who object to this stuff still buy into the bullshit of our age when it suits them, and that makes them difficult to support.
@@hooligan9794 there was no support for the misogyny law - I think you have missed the point. These ‘myopic’ women were discussing that laws wrongly applied do the opposite of what is intended. And to illustrate how the GRA bumps up against the EQA to the disadvantage of women lesbians and gay men, primarily. But thanks for watching.
@@women_outspoken Where exactly did I say they supported it?
I was talking about the absurdity of the claim that it would be used primarily against women with gender-critical views, but thanks for reading.
Hmm ..not sure you were listening ...you seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick !!
@fionawhiteford2128 I was listening. Did Helen claim that the law would be primarily used against gender critical women or not?
I like Helen, but this was either wild hyperbole or, more likely, her not having a clue about how men are treated these days.
I understand folk like Helen being very angry at the crazy men, often nasty assholes, who parade themselves about in women's clothes like deranged entitled children. How such men are treated is a universe away from how men in general are treated, and a misogyny hate-crime law would be immediately put to use against men. I would not expect any fairness or justice in its application. Just like it is considered not just ok, but progressive, to actually discriminate against white men in most workplaces now.