If same power output, higher voltage would need less current. P=IV. That's the reason 40v use 30amp fuse and 18v use 40 amp fuse. Thanks for the compare👍👍
but what's about the controller of 40v? I mean when you work a 18v impact. the current strength passes through the controller more than in 40v impact like 40amp inside of the 18v and 20amp inside of 40v, will the 40v controller be colder during work?
@Tools & Stuff. Thanks for the review and exam of your 3 Makita impacts. I'm sure you'll work your magic and get all 3 impacts put back together with no problems. For the life of me I can't think who this "other guy" could be. Hope you and your family stay safe and well 🙏
hey TnS. To answer your question about the change of shape of the gearbox: The more slender conical shape of the head is better for automotive work. When you are trying to get access in or under a vehicle to many awkwardly placed bolts that are heavily recessed and stuck between a jumble of pipes and other mechanical elements. This is the most likely reason why makita did this change. It was previously noticed elsewhere. During a comparison by a mechanic. Who found the new more stubble / flatt ended shape of modern milwaulkee impacts was not as good as certain other older style / shaped ones. It does seem here like a fairly minor change to the shape. But it probably does help somewhat for vehicle work. Where a difference of only a few millimeters can be important to get access to more difficult bolts. Because its such a very cramped difficult situations. Anyhow all i cared about was getting the better 40v trigger in the 172. And they have done that. So am pretty happy now.
Also you can screw closer to walls having kind of a v-shape. The smaller form definitely makes sense - it's just the question if its worth getting a heat problem.
@@erikolsson9780 err... sorry but its too long ago now for me to give you the correct reference. But he covered the trigger and demonstrated both of them in previous videos. You might find it in his other dedicated TD172 review video. find it and then you can see for yourself
Invested in the Chinese 40 volt Makita gear and in the first year I’ve had all tools in for warranty work. Original 18 volt kit I bought many many years ago most is still going strong. Bring back Makita Japanese made only tools.
Thanks for the guts opening, great video. In order to open the 171 gearbox, you need to open it very gently counter clockwise, as it has a reversed thread.
Decided not to wait for (the lack of) availability in Europe and ordered a purple TD172D on Ebay from your link above. Even with the inport duty and VAT (BTW) it is roughly the same price as the previous model DTD171Z. And I'd like the purple color and is the quality probably better than the Chinese made ones. The TD172 seems the sweet spot of the impact drivers, so thank you for convincing me. :)
Hi Ruud, mag ik vragen hoeveel je voor de japanse versie betaald hebt? En wat ik begrepen heb is dat er een lichte speling in de chuck zit omdat japanse bits iets langer zijn, heb je hier last van?
I thought I said that in the vid, or maybe it's in tomorrows vid on my other channel, or maybe I edited it out... can't remember. Anyway thanks for commenting as this is something a lot of people won't be aware of.
Great video as always, the gearbox on the 171 is a left hand thread, Enjoyed the comparison, I think I’ll hang on to my 171 for the moment, I really hope makita haven’t done some cost saving value engineering with the 172. Hopefully the heat issue is not a problem
Great video. Can you confirm if UK made impact bits and adapters work ok in these Japanese market tools? I read there was part number to convert them to rest of world use?
I don't use JIS Bits and don't have any issues. The bits can just slide back and forth a little more than usual, which doesn't matter with an impact driver.
I’m watching on a potato phone. Are they doing two types of grease on these? Moly on the boom boom side and multi-purpose on the gear side? I may have done a boo boo doing all moly.
Hello mate, it would be great to compare the electronic clutches for the makita drill vs the dewalt. I don't know if Milwaukee does it but that would be a great comparison.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL DeWalt DCD996 with E-clutch. I've seen some chap here in the UK demonstrate it but not compare since it's ak older video. I have the new Makita and it's brilliant. A comparison would be great.
@tools & stuff I think I told you I ended up purchasing the td172d instead of the 40 volt one from Japan because I couldn't get the battery or the 40 volt charger. I did also buy the matching case td172d hard plastic cade and what I haven't been able to figure out so far is there is a slot for a charger to fit in I just don't know what single charges will actually fit. I would be greatly appreciative if you had any information on that so I know which one to buy? Thanks
Given the small difference in performance in this review between the 18v and 40v drivers, I see no added value for a 40v impact driver. Maybe for heavy saws, etc., but if you already have 18v tools, it's pointless to switch. I already own a Makita drill (DDF453) and two batteries. I just ordered a purple TD172D from Japan.
A great idea for a video I think would be to see if Chinese manufactured and Japanese manufactured are identical. Xdt16 and td171. Seems like project farm tried this but was ignorant
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL NO, they are not even close to the same quality! Put the two side by side and look at the guts! Oh wait, you could just watch one of the videos! Or read one of the many articles that explains the differences in depth! 🤔🥴
The reason for the bigger fuse is because the 18v lxt tools draw 30amps and the xgt draw 35-40amps. Id say the 172 tool uses 35-40amps as well, as the 4 and 5ah batteries can deliver that current draw. The 6ah batteries can't.
@@georgedavall9449 because the 6ah uses 3000mah cells with a max discharge rating of 30amps. The 5ah uses 2500mah cells which can deliver 35amps and the 4ah uses 2000mah cells with can deliver 35amps. I learned this from talking to one of the makita australia training staff.
@@kizzjd9578 Thanks for reply and explanation Mate! Batteries are a fascinating tool in and of themselves, in reference to Lithium Ion batteries. Be careful though, as Makita Aus made a video, advising people to do that cockamamie chuck tightening process, whereby you tighten down the jaws, then click back. Rubbish! I’ve spoken with Makita North America, and they say that is wrong. I own several Makita drills, and nowhere in all the manuals does it say to back the chuck off. Anyway, I digress. Cheers Mate! 👍✌🏻
You got it backwards - he has the 30amp fuse in the 40v, and the 40amp fuse in 18v because with lower voltage you need more current for same amount of power.
@@niskytank yes but the 40v tools can still pump out 40amps of current. Have a look at the cell manufacturer specs. Thats why they can output more power. But also why alot of them fk up too. Running them right on their limits where as the 18v is in pairs.
on my brand new 172, the sleeve that you pull on to release the bit is very “swively” compared to previous models. is this normal? What I mean is this: when I pull on it, I can turn it left right up and down and it can even catch on the machined surface it slides on... does this make sense? I have to pull it perfectly straight out or else it will be crooked and sometimes snag on the machined surface it’s sliding on. Is this normal? I have an older makita made in China and the sleeve slides out perfectly on it own even if I try and wrench it crooked as I’m pulling it out to release the bit
Is the 172 you have the Japanese model? do you notice any problems not using jis bits in the chuck, i'm thinking of getting the 172 but unsure whether not using jis bits is gonna be a problem
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I've been watching your videos for the last couple of months but only just turned on notifications. Sorry for the pointed comment. Keep up the good videos!
If same power output, higher voltage would need less current. P=IV. That's the reason 40v use 30amp fuse and 18v use 40 amp fuse. Thanks for the compare👍👍
but what's about the controller of 40v? I mean when you work a 18v impact. the current strength passes through the controller more than in 40v impact like 40amp inside of the 18v and 20amp inside of 40v,
will the 40v controller be colder during work?
Very underrated channel. Was looking for this type of info years ago and had to wing it with some tools.
@Tools & Stuff. Thanks for the review and exam of your 3 Makita impacts. I'm sure you'll work your magic and get all 3 impacts put back together with no problems. For the life of me I can't think who this "other guy" could be.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well 🙏
hey TnS. To answer your question about the change of shape of the gearbox:
The more slender conical shape of the head is better for automotive work. When you are trying to get access in or under a vehicle to many awkwardly placed bolts that are heavily recessed and stuck between a jumble of pipes and other mechanical elements. This is the most likely reason why makita did this change. It was previously noticed elsewhere. During a comparison by a mechanic. Who found the new more stubble / flatt ended shape of modern milwaulkee impacts was not as good as certain other older style / shaped ones. It does seem here like a fairly minor change to the shape. But it probably does help somewhat for vehicle work. Where a difference of only a few millimeters can be important to get access to more difficult bolts. Because its such a very cramped difficult situations.
Anyhow all i cared about was getting the better 40v trigger in the 172. And they have done that. So am pretty happy now.
Very plausible and an excellent comment!
Also you can screw closer to walls having kind of a v-shape. The smaller form definitely makes sense - it's just the question if its worth getting a heat problem.
Why not. Makita promotes an inclination angle about 10.5° to work at 10 mm from walls and floors (with a 65 mm bit).
In what what is the trigger better on the 172 than 171?
@@erikolsson9780 err... sorry but its too long ago now for me to give you the correct reference. But he covered the trigger and demonstrated both of them in previous videos. You might find it in his other dedicated TD172 review video. find it and then you can see for yourself
Invested in the Chinese 40 volt Makita gear and in the first year I’ve had all tools in for warranty work. Original 18 volt kit I bought many many years ago most is still going strong. Bring back Makita Japanese made only tools.
Thanks for the guts opening, great video. In order to open the 171 gearbox, you need to open it very gently counter clockwise, as it has a reversed thread.
Decided not to wait for (the lack of) availability in Europe and ordered a purple TD172D on Ebay from your link above. Even with the inport duty and VAT (BTW) it is roughly the same price as the previous model DTD171Z. And I'd like the purple color and is the quality probably better than the Chinese made ones. The TD172 seems the sweet spot of the impact drivers, so thank you for convincing me. :)
Hi Ruud, mag ik vragen hoeveel je voor de japanse versie betaald hebt? En wat ik begrepen heb is dat er een lichte speling in de chuck zit omdat japanse bits iets langer zijn, heb je hier last van?
Hi Tools it is a left hand thread
same overheating issue of 172 here, while 170'171'001 are still calm.
172 overheats?
does it just get hot or actually overheat and cut out?
eye opening, to see all the internals. thank you.
becoz of your review. Yesterday i order from eBay its take two months before i received thank for the link
Mine arrived in a week!
Damn off the hop shots fired at the alcoholic! Subscribed
the 18 v tools need the big fuse because more voltage = less current
simply put, the 40v tool draws less current
I thought I said that in the vid, or maybe it's in tomorrows vid on my other channel, or maybe I edited it out... can't remember. Anyway thanks for commenting as this is something a lot of people won't be aware of.
Great video as always, the gearbox on the 171 is a left hand thread,
Enjoyed the comparison, I think I’ll hang on to my 171 for the moment,
I really hope makita haven’t done some cost saving value engineering with the 172. Hopefully the heat issue is not a problem
Bigger hammer on 172
Great video. Can you confirm if UK made impact bits and adapters work ok in these Japanese market tools? I read there was part number to convert them to rest of world use?
I don't use JIS Bits and don't have any issues. The bits can just slide back and forth a little more than usual, which doesn't matter with an impact driver.
I’m watching on a potato phone. Are they doing two types of grease on these? Moly on the boom boom side and multi-purpose on the gear side? I may have done a boo boo doing all moly.
more volts means that they use less amps for the same amount of power as a bonus it produces less heat
Is there a comparison of the 171 and 172? I have the 171, is there a big jump in performance - worth the upgrade? Cheers!
Sure is ruclips.net/video/IhPQqWyKrNA/видео.html
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL amazing thanks mate!
Do they need regulary grease the anvil or gearbox or will it last "forever"?
It needs to be periodically regreased if you’re wanting it to last a long time AND deliver good performance.
Think every few years for impact drivers.
Hello mate, it would be great to compare the electronic clutches for the makita drill vs the dewalt. I don't know if Milwaukee does it but that would be a great comparison.
What's the dewalt model #?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL DeWalt DCD996 with E-clutch. I've seen some chap here in the UK demonstrate it but not compare since it's ak older video. I have the new Makita and it's brilliant. A comparison would be great.
@tools & stuff I think I told you I ended up purchasing the td172d instead of the 40 volt one from Japan because I couldn't get the battery or the 40 volt charger. I did also buy the matching case td172d hard plastic cade and what I haven't been able to figure out so far is there is a slot for a charger to fit in I just don't know what single charges will actually fit. I would be greatly appreciative if you had any information on that so I know which one to buy? Thanks
Given the small difference in performance in this review between the 18v and 40v drivers, I see no added value for a 40v impact driver. Maybe for heavy saws, etc., but if you already have 18v tools, it's pointless to switch. I already own a Makita drill (DDF453) and two batteries. I just ordered a purple TD172D from Japan.
A great idea for a video I think would be to see if Chinese manufactured and Japanese manufactured are identical. Xdt16 and td171. Seems like project farm tried this but was ignorant
It's been done, they are not the same. 😁
@@chrisparker9886 where has this been done?
They ARE the same.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL NO, they are not even close to the same quality! Put the two side by side and look at the guts! Oh wait, you could just watch one of the videos! Or read one of the many articles that explains the differences in depth! 🤔🥴
I have looked inside them I have done videos I know they're the same you are wrong and the videos you reference are also wrong.
The reason for the bigger fuse is because the 18v lxt tools draw 30amps and the xgt draw 35-40amps. Id say the 172 tool uses 35-40amps as well, as the 4 and 5ah batteries can deliver that current draw. The 6ah batteries can't.
This is interesting?! Why can’t the 6 AH batteries deliver the same current draw? I have not heard this before? Not arguing, just curious...✌🏻
@@georgedavall9449 because the 6ah uses 3000mah cells with a max discharge rating of 30amps. The 5ah uses 2500mah cells which can deliver 35amps and the 4ah uses 2000mah cells with can deliver 35amps.
I learned this from talking to one of the makita australia training staff.
@@kizzjd9578 Thanks for reply and explanation Mate! Batteries are a fascinating tool in and of themselves, in reference to Lithium Ion batteries. Be careful though, as Makita Aus made a video, advising people to do that cockamamie chuck tightening process, whereby you tighten down the jaws, then click back. Rubbish! I’ve spoken with Makita North America, and they say that is wrong. I own several Makita drills, and nowhere in all the manuals does it say to back the chuck off. Anyway, I digress. Cheers Mate! 👍✌🏻
You got it backwards - he has the 30amp fuse in the 40v, and the 40amp fuse in 18v because with lower voltage you need more current for same amount of power.
@@niskytank yes but the 40v tools can still pump out 40amps of current. Have a look at the cell manufacturer specs. Thats why they can output more power. But also why alot of them fk up too. Running them right on their limits where as the 18v is in pairs.
Got my green 40v today from Japan
on my brand new 172, the sleeve that you pull on to release the bit is very “swively” compared to previous models. is this normal? What I mean is this: when I pull on it, I can turn it left right up and down and it can even catch on the machined surface it slides on... does this make sense? I have to pull it perfectly straight out or else it will be crooked and sometimes snag on the machined surface it’s sliding on. Is this normal? I have an older makita made in China and the sleeve slides out perfectly on it own even if I try and wrench it crooked as I’m pulling it out to release the bit
Is the 172 you have the Japanese model? do you notice any problems not using jis bits in the chuck, i'm thinking of getting the 172 but unsure whether not using jis bits is gonna be a problem
do the Japanese made tools take the same 18v batteries for LVT impact drivers?
All Makita 18v LXT tools on earth take the same batteries.
Quality video
Friday morning upload. Are you trying to beat @Scott Brown Carpentry?
You must be new here. I've been releasing videos at this time for longer than SBC.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I've been watching your videos for the last couple of months but only just turned on notifications. Sorry for the pointed comment. Keep up the good videos!
All good, just so long as you're subscribed ;)
I hate you, i bought my favourite color TD001G from your link. now i have two 40v impact driver lol
Nice vijayo
Skookum as frig
nice little insight! i hope the 172 gearbox isnt too much value engineering.
You and me both!
Can Turn me if the gearbox is the scene 170 to 171 the bering go on the 170 in plasterboard
What?
Gearbox housing the same on the 170 to 171 makita
Are any of these the same model as the xdt16?
171 its last years model. it has inferior trigger.
@@dreamcat4 thanks I’ll have to give that 172 a try since 40v is not available yet haha
You only need to reply once dude, You're jamming up my email ;)
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL my bad I didn’t see that I replied 4 times 😂
@Manuel Camarena You can currently only get the 172 from Japan ebay.us/HADzgU
I live in the USA where can I get my hands on these Japanese models I want so bad
Links in the description.
We cant even get the 172 in germany :/
Still can't get it in most of the world.
more volts less current @tools&stuff
Good 👍
Where do they sell these drivers in this color?
Did you watch the video???
The 172 has a bigger hammer.
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First comment!
reverse hand thread
Ave.... 😑
What is the 'Ave' you speak of? Some kind of road???
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 😁😄😃😀😄😁😂🤣
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL some kind of Err and err and err again... focus you fuk! 😅
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4th comment!
He's referring to that Canadian clown.
Wow! 😳😁😂