ADHD - Are We World Weary of ADHD: Has EVERYONE Now Got it?
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As soon as I heard the name Simon Wessley my heart sank. He has far too much power and is unable and unwilling to change his opinions in relation to new information and research. His (and others) research study in to ME/CFS formed what were the NICE guidelines for the disease. In the last few years he has been discredited and proven to have changed the parameters of the study to get the results he and others wanted, causing harm to thousands of people in the process.
As regards to your conversation and as someone who works with children with additional needs some of whom also have an ADHD diagnosis, I think it’s important to raise awareness, understanding and reduce the stigma and misunderstanding that still exists. Thank you for continuing to talk about this and other important issues on your channel ❤
Wow how interesting thank you for sharing back . So important x
More awareness surely means more people being tested and diagnosed. I’d understand if he means people self-diagnosing. Hopefully this article doesn’t make newly diagnosed people doubt themselves 💕
There's misogyny at play here. It's women coming forward now and some people don't like us taking control of our own health.
Well said Mark and Nadia. As you know I have ME & most of the time I have to read negative articles like the one you described. In fact the Dr you quoted is often very critical of ME which is so unhelpful. It feels like some illnesses have a free pass to be discriminated against. I always tell myself it comes from a place of ignorance.
You are so right xxx
Hi 👋 I too have ME. So frustrating to see Drs like Simon Wessley still having so much influence. Hope you’re doing ok. X
@@sammierichens6728 Aah thank you Sammie for your reply. Totally agree with you. So unhelpful when some doctors make these ignorant comments. How long have you had ME for? It is a constant battle. Sending love x
@@michellenye3742 diagnosed in 2017, but have probably had since I was 15 (now 38) when I had a nasty virus resulting in an initial diagnosis of chronic pain amongst other things! How about you? X
@@sammierichens6728 I was diagnosed after having glandular fever very badly in 2010. It is such a difficult illness. Was it quite hard for you to get a diagnosis?
ADHD presents differently in females and that is why so many people have been missed. As usual when women come forward, armed with the knowledge and recognition of symptoms, exactly the same as with the menopause, there aren't the resources or medication to help them. I understand the NHS is under pressure but this is peoples lives and it's not fair that it always seems to fall short for women. Personally, I am very grateful to these brave celebrities who shine a light on important issues.
My grandson has ADHD. We could see how differently he acted at home school as well as being out playing from as little as 2 years old. He was diagnosed 3 years ago with ADHD aged 6. You are Spot on Nadia & Mark when you say it's a day drug, his lasts for 8 hours and bless him when it wears off, You can see the agony in his face as he struggles to contain himself. People, schools are not aware of the pain ADHD causes children along with their families. You see people judging children who are energetic, distracted and over chatty with complete strangers. He often cries saying how stupid he is. He is the most loving, caring straight talking little boy I've ever known. So people please don't jump to conclusions and judgements without knowing the facts. Of ADHD, it's real!
Thank you Nadia & Mark for getting information out there. Keep going please
Thanks for making the point about self diagnosis...I've been in the system for 8 months and probably have another 18 months to go before my ADHD/autism assessment. I self diagnosis to access support and information that is helping me understand my whole life more clearly. I am so fortunate that most of the ADHD community is pro-self diagnosis. I hope that never changes.
Of course ADHD exists, as Nadia says -if someone who is neuro typical takes ADHD meds the effect will be the opposite to those experienced by someone with ADHD. Surely that’s scientific proof ADHD is real! Its depressing that this is even still being debated! ADHD meds changed my son’s life and I have no doubt the cost to society of undiagnosed ADHD is huge! Thanks for continuing to raise awareness❤
Thanks for speaking about this - I wish more people approached this topic with the same compassion that you both do. I agree about privilege playing a role - it's always the privileged people who are the ones who will moan about the awareness but the ones who aren't are the ones who are told to just get on with their life 🤷♀ The brain needs the same attention and help as the body and I think awareness about ADHD will always be so important and life-changing. It would be considered an outrage if this article was written regarding physical health problems and I feel concerned with the fact that it was written by a psychiatrist!
Ellie Middleton summed it up very well in her video about this article, it shouldn't be a case of 'wow look at how many people are being diagnosed' it should be a case of 'wow look at how many people have been failed'. There's such a stigma for women and girls when talking about neurodiversity, there's a lack of resources and research for women and girls, hence a number of them receiving a late diagnosis. People talking about conditions on social media is something that is accessible, self diagnosis is sometimes all some people have. Waiting times for assessments can be a number of years, and in that time they can struggle immensely, accessing an assessment, diagnosis and treatment is a privilege! In the meantime, the communities that have been created online are all some people have, and sometimes that can be reassuring. I could go on and on about this!
My therapist said it’s highly like I have trauma based ADHD (basically, trauma based ADHD presents most often as having to constantly have an onslaught of thinking, thinking, thinking… because any silence in your head leads to being deeply uncomfortable) this also causes me to find multiple tasks to do every time I go to sit down and “relax” 🤣 I have it in addition to OCD and cPTSD… it’s a nightmare 🤣 my therapist absolutely didn’t diagnose anything to push pills because she knows I don’t want to take any, she just very clearly wants to help me in a way that works for me :)
It’s an emotional dystregulation disorder where we get overwhelm. Adhd minds will seek dopamine- therefore if it’s not substituted with prescribed medication the person will get it from other addictions be it sex, stealing things, drink, drugs food etc.
A big percentage of undiagnosed ADHD people end up in prison for these addictions with their kids in care. So yes it’s cheaper and safer in the long run to be diagnosed and given medication.
I agree with what you have said however, sadly I do know of some people who actively seek labels and diagnosis who haven't got the MH issue. These individuals have admitted they have done it to fit in, be part of something, get out of something and in some instances receive benefits. I'm hopeful that these individuals are in the minority but it's frustrating that people do this as it minimises those who do have the issue and can takes away the severity of it.
I think what you said Mark, people are looking and striving with great stress for some explanation for why they’re feeling like they’re feeling and doing what they’re doing, a lot of people are quite vulnerable to what they hear and take to heart everything that is said, which starts a whole load of extra worries for them, when really that’s not what’s wrong with them at all, sometimes too much information is a bad thing, we need to watch what we say and who we are saying it to, it’s a vicious cycle, and then there’s the ones that really aren’t well and need the help.....
Iam 47 and found out 5 days ago I have ADHD to say Iam shocked is an understatement, I always struggled with basically everything even basic stuff like getting myself out the door lol , then the menopause hit me so hard I I get referred to the mental health services and long story short I got the diagnosis.
The trail of burnouts , meltdowns, eating disorders, relationship difficulties, and shopping addiction, not taking in information, chaos .
If you went back in time in my class room I was the quiet well behaved daydreamer and guess what the boy who was standing on the table throwing things he would get noticed and then get diagnosed.
I feel robbed, angry, and Iam grieving.
But things make sense of my whole life now .
I have 4 friends that have been diagnosed with ADHD and after a second opinion (private) 2 don't actually have it after being given meds. Doctors are quick to want to give out meds. I believe we all have some degree of ADHD, it's the world we live in that has done this to us over time but some sadly like to use it as an excuse. Just my opinion.
No we don't all have some degree of ADHD. It's a neurological disorder. You either have it or you don't.
You're probably right about doctors though. Our GPs really aren't equipped to deal with mental health. They have piss poor training in mental illnesses and neurological disorders.
@@eireannbullimore7763 i agree re doctors. Its interesting that I can't sit still for more than 10mins, I'm always thinking of 100 different things at a time and can't switch off during sleep which causes anxiety and tiredness in the day. Some would say I have ADHD but I don't. It's all very complex and I do feel some people and doctors are very quick to label as an excuse.
@@loulouchick9094 Sounds like insomnia to me.
ADHD has so many more symptoms than just restlessness, insomnia, and thinking a lot. But I think a lot of people (including doctors) don't realise that those things are really the least problematic of all the ADHD symptoms. They're just the most noticeable so people assume that that's pretty much all there is to ADHD.
I have a diagnosis of ADHD and We all have some degree of something whether it be ADHD, Autism OCD etc ie I clean my floors obsessively but don’t have a diagnosis of OCD where I’m checking floors or have to clean them 27 times every 2 hour! these people with an aspect of it don’t have enough for diagnosis so they don’t have the same frustrating debilitating life. It’s not a choice to be knowing you’re annoying people jumping in conversations it’s an uncontrollable compulsion! or wondering why you can’t learn things and listen when you know you’re not stupid!
@@cab26 4 years is more for children, not being diagnosed until over 4 but my friends were in their late 20s and only took doctors a month or so to give medication.
This is so interesting. I feel my son is undiagnosed adhd! It's been really tough to deal with! Xx love ye both xx
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 queuing up for mental health services what a joke there aren’t any mental health services in uk it’s on its knees having dealt with it first hand trying to get a dear friend help was an absolutely eye opening and shocking experience.
It's all in the mind, anyone can think they have a problem and then they have.
Over the past 3 years so many people now have issues they never had before.
Part of the diagnosis process is showing it's a whole life issue. I have had to submit my school reports and have my parents fill out various forms about my childhood.
Mental health in this country has been treated prescription medication for they’ve put nothing into therapists and alternative treatments. To my shock many doctors don’t even know about 12 step programmes
I took my son to see the doctor when he was young because I was convinced he had adhd, the doctor wouldn't have any of it. He is dyslexic and yrs later I found out adhd goes hand in hand with dyslexia alot of the time. He is 36 now and still notice the adhd in him it makes him bloody hardwork sometimes but he is a hardworking good husband and dad so I am proud of him even though I still end up bollocking him for driving me up the wall. This was so interesting to listen to.
I honestly feel we are victims of our generation because these days they look out for adhd and autism in kids, whereas when we were toddlers, older kids and teenagers, we were judged as difficult or unruly.☹️
Gabor Mate is a beautiful psychiatrist especially around addiction and mental health he is so intelligent and compassionate he has addiction himself . 🙏❤️ so non judging
The only way this illness could ever be taken seriously overall is if dopamine levels was checked, but even if it is its not classed as a medical diagnosis, anyone could make out they have it for whatever reason and this is a problem for those that are actually genuine about it, more needs to be done other than just to take these meds as well, CBT and therepy seem to be forgotten
No amount of therapy is going to change the chronic lack of dopamine though. It's a genetic neurological disorder not a mental illness.
@@eireannbullimore7763 it needs both, meds to deal with the chemical imbalance, though that should be actually checked its largely not and therapy for coping mechanisms for those that dont want to be medicated, therapy isn't void in this illness its actually helpful
My daughter is waiting to get appointment ... nearly impossible here in Ireland. I love to see these people have to live with this, my heart goes out to my daughter on a daily basis and also it has an impact on the whole family. The joke in our house is we are looking for a family discount the more we learn about it, definitely hereditary. Thanks for all ye're info and well done, keep going and f... the people who are not willing to advance 💕💕💕
Everyone agrees that pharma promotes over medication... except when it comes to the medicine we take.
Can you please give your thoughts on BBC Panorama's 'Private ADHD Clinics Exposed' documentary. Like you I have recently been diagnosed, by ADHD 360. I feel my family will not believe my diagnosis as a result of the program as it felt biased with an agenda. Would like to hear your thoughts
Well said, Nadia!
I believe I do have ADHD, but my doctor seems to hand out medicine like candy. I'm already on three different types, so I'm reluctant to bring it up to him tbh 😒
This is what happens when there is a safe space to talk about ADHD, it doesn't get banished.. no wonder more people are being diagnosed.. because its not shamed anymore. x
Very informative
How would Dominic Lawson feel about the original opinions of the causes of Down's & its life limiting prospects years ago. Having a Down's child he should be aware of how knowledge changes regarding various aspects of the human condition.
Similar article by Dr Max Pemberton (Daily Mail (eek!)) this week....as a Dr he has a different perspective....
Wesley has done so much damage and caused so much suffering... By choosing to disbelieve thousands of ME sufferers' accounts of their illnesses he's pressurised them - espec children, many v weak and bed-ridden - to partake in unsuitable, often dangerous, treatments eg. exercise therapy, resulting in many people's condition worsening, some becoming permanently disabled and having to deal with sev pain. I, myself, was told to follow Wesley's treatment method by a GP years ago - thankfully NICE have banned it now - and the suffering over the years has/still is indescribable... Wesley is someone who seems to think he knows more about how the patient feels than the patient themselves do. And of course he has a lot of power and when he abuses this power the consequences can be devastating..... I'm just sorry he's now doing his best to trivialise the real and distressing mental health symptoms so many people with ADHD are experiencing.
I don't think he researched it properly the guy I.think alot adults kids with adhd undiagnosed . But mental health services need sum overhall and funding great chat about it keep on doing it as fansanating interesting too me hugs and love
The reality is that professions such as psychiatry and psychology are only around 150 years old. That’s nothing compared to the age of mainstream western medicine. These people are very far from experts on mental health. In the not too distant past they where lobotomising women who weren’t submissive to their husbands or applying electric shock
Therapy or scalding hot baths as treatment for homosexuality. Freud the Godfather of psychoanalysis was an opium addict who, rather than believe the victims incestous abuse - which his female clients where disclosing to him, Freud formulated an entire theory to suggest these women where suffering from envy of the male penis. Psychiatry and Psychology are relatively young professions with little
Clue at all concerning what they are doing to people. There is NO science behind most psychiatric diagnoses. None whatsoever. Ten psychiatrists could in theory, diagnosis one person with ten different diagnoses and there are studies to
Show this. There is no scientific rigour whatsoever behind the subjective criteria for psychiatric illnesses. I am not saying that mental illnesses do not exist. I am myself an OCD sufferer. I diagnosed myself before the professionals because the professionals where not up-to-date with their understanding of the condition. It’s important to remember that just because someone got good grades at aged 18 in their science A-Levels and slogged through a medical degree in their early twenties, this does not mean that they have any critical thinking skills or empathy whatsoever and aren’t infact a robot advocating whatever the profession says they should do at that time. Recent history shows us, these actions have often been barbaric. We need to remember this.
Injustice imeant
Soooo glad you both covered this .makes my bloody boil...and yes Nadia same disjustice with HRT.....we in a time of awareness.......it will sadly take years for it balance out.....but with people like you are helping massively...Thankyou❤️❤️🫶🫶👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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ADHD people are not failures …….we have been failed ❤🩹