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Wow. I never underestimate people (even myself) and to hear people requesting venmo for rent and car payments? They’re grown adults! Is this is just the very sliver of the tip of the iceberg you all go through. Jeeze. This is fantastic though. Just the way you’ve written it is very eloquent and to the point but not at all demeaning or off putting. Very well done.
a lot of child actors have their first kiss on camera. it’s actually so creepy and weird to write kiss scenes for characters whose actors aren’t old enough to have experienced them. not to mention that the actor is the actual one being cornered into giving up their autonomy for plot. Thank you Alyson, I’m learning so much every episode. I’m a sound technician and this really highlighted the need for consent when mic’ing people up and listening to their mic feed. And sometimes for live events, the client pays to have it recorded but the people present aren’t made aware. Autonomy and consent!!
I grew up in LA and there were a few "child actors" at our school and I used to think "they have it easy", but now that I'm an adult and watching videos like this I just think... THANK GOODNESS THIS WAS NOT ME. I seriously don't know how any child grows up to have *normal boundaries* , *build trust* in relationships, and feel comfortable in *taking agency* of their life. We do have to protect children because they don't know any better. It is our job as adults.
This is so powerful to read! I can imagine it must have felt bizarre or frustrating for kids to go in and out “as they pleased” for auditions and jobs. And for the record, having only been in “real” school for a short period, I have to say… that’s not easy, either! 😂 I was like, what is this place?!?
You're killing it, Alyson! You're speaking about these issues so gracefully and masterfully. It's very interesting to catch a glimpse through the different lenses of your shared perspectives and lived experiences. These are immeasurably important stories to tell. It just further compiles the notion that we live in a multifactorially exploitative and oppressive society from top to bottom. Such is the nature of capitalism and all industries existing within our capitalistic society have effectively been adulterated. I've been long fascinated by power dynamics and dichotomies, class warfare, proponents of imperialism and topics of the like. Abusive structures truly permeate every facet of our society and I find that the most gripping conversations, for me personally, tend to point to or suggest the ways in which we can begin to not only contextualize the severity of the exploitation and commodification of individuals and their labor, but also begin to dismantle the very power structures whereby such exploitation becomes possible.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment. Power structures/dynamics, class warfare, commodification, all you named... incredibly complex constructs to reform/dismantle/reimagine.
@@TheRealAlysonStoner Reimagining is something women generally have to do in order to survive. Some of choose the hard path of giving zero fucks about what most people think. Finding allies is crucial to reconstructing a life you want to live in. I hope you’re able to find some with the wide net you’re able to cast. ✨
The issue is without seeing her original contract it is also highly possible it was included in the original contract as a lump sum. Particularly as the doll was released in 2008 around the time of the movies.
I did costumes for a Little Mermaid Jr production at a local elementary school when I was a teenager. I showed up with my designs and the only info I had about the kids was their clothing size. I needed a few basic measurements for a few kids and most of them were excited about it and asked questions, some of them opted to have their parents take the measurements for me because they didn't want a stranger touching them, and one of them did not want to be measured at all. I had no problem with that, she was big for her age and close enough to me in size (I'm short) that I could use my own body as a reference and make adjustments later. Her parents and sister were really pushy about it though, and I refused to violate that boundary because I was also larger than my friends at that age and understood the discomfort. It was such an inconsequential thing, an elementary school play, and yet a bunch of adults really wanted her to "just get over it, it's for the play" even though it was clearly a big deal for her. Her sister ended up doing the measurements, she was upset and gave in because otherwise the situation would have drawn more attention to her. I had already said I could work without the measurements, but a bunch of people still felt like it wasn't a big deal to violate a clearly expressed boundary. It felt like everyone just forgot how it feels to be a 5th grader with no bodily autonomy, and most of them probably didn't even consider the compounding trauma of being treated like shit for being fat. I had already been there, the scrutiny you get for a body you can't control, every part of your life seemingly revolving around losing weight, being told your body is grotesque and morally bad, and then being expected to just be cool with whatever physical contact the adult who has the most power over you has deemed safe by their standards. Everything about the costuming process sucked for her and no one even cared that the person who would be making the costume (also me) wanted to accommodate her needs. I have a lot more costuming experience now, and I'm a hardcore measurement-etiquette stickler. The only right way to do it is the way that is least invasive. If I needed a bust measurement or an inseam, I would never assume i had consent to touch those places based on consent to touch other body parts. Working with adults in that regard is also just different, they've made an informed decision to accept a role and the things that come with that. Kids don't think about that stuff as much when they audition for a play, and they might not even consider it until someone shows up with a measuring tape, at which point I believe the person taking the measurements is responsible for talking to the child about the process so they can make an informed decision.
Thank you for your sensitivity to this issue and for being proactive about creating safe experiences. I teared up reading the story of the young person.
I know, I'm eager to share, too!! haha But the space between gives us a chance to sit with ideas and have conversations with each other. :) Once the full season is out, it'll be interesting to re-listen all the way through and see what else pops up!
@@TheRealAlysonStoner honestly, thank you for sharing such personal and emotional experiences! Your articulate and graceful way of speaking is so inspiring! Thank you and please don’t forget how loved you are 🩷
She's talking about body ownership, and you are demanding more episodes faster. Tone deaf, blind as a bat, unable to read the room, and empathyless narcissism. Congratulations.
my thoughts exactly @@whoisteo4840 Alyson doesn't owe us new episodes when we want it on demand... it takes time to create these things, process it, edit it, share it... especially when it's your life. I experience this on a micro level as a RUclipsr. there's a vlog I put out that included clips filmed over a difficult time in my life. To rewatch those clips, remember some memories that were unpleasant or repressed, and then to have to keep going cause this video needed to come out eventually... it took a lot of time to create, including time away from the project to ground myself. so... let's not rush it.
It’s not. Desperate people do desperate things. I think they also assume that a child actor has loads of disposable income, but it’s a baseless assumption (especially if the actor hasn’t worked since childhood/the Coogan account only protects 15% of what they earned, so their parents get the bulk of their income and may not share). Our government offers such little help to people in need, it’s not surprising that they’d do inappropriate/embarrassing things for money. College and a car are unfortunately pretty much required in the U.S. but without family help/scholarships/etc. you’re on your own.
Bodily autonomy is one of those things I really connected with as a Black woman. It’s something that society always seemed to feel like I had no right to, and if I attempted to assert boundaries it only made the abuse much worse. It’s as though your entire existence is only intended for the use and abuse of others. It starts very young and is engrained in you by every adult that’s supposed to protect you (assuming you don’t have parents who are aware of such things). It eventually becomes second nature to disregard those icky feelings or your intuition when it says something’s wrong. Thanks again for sharing your experience with us 💛
Such a deep truth with lifelong impact. Thank you for sharing your experience. Also for naming how it disrupts your relationship to trusting your own body/intuition, etc.
Yeah it's such b******* how to stick in a black woman tries to stick up for herself, she's labeled as aggressive. When a white woman would be labeled as strong. Bs. Total bs. So sorry you went through that ❤
@@paulan7218Stop disregarding a persons, personal experience. Did she negate the experience of other women? No. She was simply speaking from personal experience. Thank you for your input, insensitive captain obvious.
@@paulan7218 your desire to discredit this person’s experience as a black woman - the only experience as a woman she will have in this lifetime - is so indicative of the lack of humanity black women are granted within society. She can’t even speak about her experience without someone thinking it’s appropriate to butt in and wave her off with a, “oh that just happens to everyone.” She is not everyone. She is herself. And she has every right to talk about herself. It takes nothing away from whatever experiences you might’ve had. Any time she speaks on her perspective, she is always going to frame it as the perspective of a black woman because THAT IS WHAT SHE IS. Jesus…
My little cousin has just finished a big project with Netflix. The way he's already gained so much attention from the family for booking that role makes it easy to see how strangers could do the same. Makes me wonder what he's going to think of it all as he gets older. I also would love to know what the less famous siblings of these child stars go through, and how it affects their image. I think of my other cousins who won't be getting the same amount of glory as their older sibling.
How awful for young young actors and actresses to be touched so so uncomfortably due to their job, man, this shouldn't had happened and shouldn't be happening anymore. I'm so sorry you went through that, it sucks.
we are approx. the same age, it's incredible to see people start to speak out against this. you are very cool. i was not an actor or famous and have no idea what thats like but i was partially raised in the christian homeschool cult that they made the movie Shiny Happy People about. from what i have heard from you so far, as weird as it may seem to some, i see so many parallels between the way i felt growing up and the way past child stars describe feeling, with a few obvious differences like the public eye and what not. i had no autonomy as a young girl, i was not even a person in the eyes of many around me. i was just a vessel for beauty and love and nothing else. it has had serious consequences on me even at 30 i struggle to view myself as whole. you're extremely well spoken, articulate and you are doing more than just speaking on the horrible truth of child stardom. you're opening eyes on the idea of children as people deserving respect. which should be the bare minimum, but we know it isnt.
Thank you for shedding light on a horrible horrible industry issue. You are so admirable, and beautiful. Grew up watching you and I couldn't be more proud to also be here watching you do this! Stay strong
I came across these videos on accident but I must say, this is so well spoken and well done. I’m sad we won’t get the chance to see the other artists you interviewed speak out but I’m glad you’re putting this out there. As a 25 year old who grew up watching you and others on Disney channel and Nickelodeon, I admired you guys so much and I’m just now seeing the ramifications of child stardom through people like you, Selena, Demi, Miley, Ariana, etc. You are doing the work for future child stats. I’m proud of you, as I know this will likely have a negative impact on you and your career. Thank you for this. Genuinely.
Allison, there was a time that society thought children working in manufacturing plants and coal mines was ok. I believe you are bringing attention to Hollywood that will make a change. I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this subject. Hopefully, 20 years from now, people will be shocked that these issues weren't addressed earlier in time. And yes... I believe this will affect our society in a positive way. Creating healthier children who become healthy adults benefits everyone.
Many of the inappropriate actions you describe about your experiences as a child, happen to non-famous female children as well. You’ve laid out the details in a very understandable way and this is must-see YT. Thanks for doing this monumental task. ✊🏼
Oh my gosh, Alyson. The fact that someone would ask you for money and then get mad when you didn't respond is appalling. I'm so sorry that's happening to you.
I truly didn’t realize how healing this podcast would be for me on a personal level. I was never anywhere near this industry as a child but i was a high performing athlete throughout my entire childhood/adolescence and there’s a lot of similarities. I knew this podcast would be incredible but it’s such a pleasant surprise to have so much personally relate to my experience. I’m almost 28 years old and I’m just now realizing and unpacking the trauma that the hardcore athlete lifestyle left me with. Thank you for creating something so healing and so applicable to the entire spectrum of human existence. I hope it can be healing for you too, because you deserve to have work that helps feed your soul instead of drain it 🌞 Really can’t thank you enough for this pod, for everything you do, and for showing up so authentically. Moving through the world the way you are makes such a positive difference. You are such a game changer and the world genuinely needs more hearts and minds like yours. I hope the positive ripples of your work/efforts continue to reach everyone, everywhere. Sending you lots of love, support, good vibes, and appreciation ❤️
This is so important to think about and bring to light. As someone who is currently entering the industry in my late-twenties I also feel super awkward about a lot of these strange situations which relate to bodily autonomy and being put into vulnerable/dangerous positions, and am still questioning/working through them as an adult. And it's exhausting and anxiety-inducing. I can't even imagine how a kid should be expected to handle all of this on a grander scale, especially when they're catapulted into fame and are the main breadwinner for their families. Definitely makes me wonder if kids should ever even be allowed to act or what additional regulations need to be made...
I’m a music teacher and often work with our schools plays and musicals. I think that school productions and local arts camps should be all that kids should be allowed to do. And not as a precursor to “real fame.”
@@n4musicastrongly agree. I grew up in theatre because my parents wouldn’t let me work in tv and film until I was an adult, and they were SO real for that. I was so mad about it when I was like 6 lol but they 100% made the right choice and my future kids aren’t going to be in film or tv, or any abnormally life-and-time-consuming activity, until they’re adults either.
@@AnnaYT9575 Right! And now that you’re older I’m sure you don’t feel like you missed out! And you were probably super supported in all your other performing aspirations at school!
As someone is actually broke…I cannot fathom sending these requests. Holy. I’ve been a fan of you since I was like probably nearly the same age as you! I’m happy I wasn’t one of the creepy fans. Just been so happy to see you on social media the last few years. You are so articulate and soothing almost to listen to. Thank you for your story. You’re helping so many people. 🥺❤️
Absolutely. That part of the podcast irked me, too. I don't like asking my own parents or friends for money or favors unless it's a life circumstance that I can not solve. Let alone strangers. If I ever feel like I'm in need of money, I'm always browsing and looking for jobs, not sitting around asking people for money. I'm sure everyone's families are different, though.
Thank you for this series! As someone who started acting in my early 20s, I could not imagine being in the constant limbo of the acting world as a child. Scared to go on vacations, unable to change your appearance, and all the things you touched on. It’s exhausting as a young woman let alone a child. Looking forward to the rest of this series!
I was groomed around age 5 to become the 'next child prodigy' and i collapsed under those heavy expectations...yet now im considered a 'failure' in the industry and have been left to wrestle with all the shame that comes with it. Body issues, feelings that i didnt make the cut based on my appearance and internalizing it to mean i just didnt try hard enough or there is something wrong with me. I have never even considered that I dodged a bullet...and in many ways i didn't. In my 40s i still contend with many of the issues you bring up and for the first time im giving myself permission to look at things differently thanks to you. ❤ please keep going youre amazing
I feel very privileged to get to hear your story first person like this. It's eye opening for sure. Even having watched adult actors work on set, I know it's an incredibly difficult job. I can't imagine being a child going through that.
Years ago I remember the girls at my dance studio in Ohio would talk about how you danced with them and that you were really making it big. I never personally met you but I always thought “how cool” it would be to get those opportunities. It wasn’t until 2018 I realized the horrors and truths of Hollywood. I was on one film set and after I saw the reality, I knew there is so much beneath the surface people refuse to believe. THANK YOU, for shedding light on your true, authentic reality. I have always looked up to you and now I definitely do even more!!!
Hearing about the invasions of privacy made me feel literally sick. I'm sorry you and others have experienced this. We need to do so much better by children in the arts and other professional industries.
This is amazing. I have the firm stance that children shouldn’t be famous. Kids should be able to perform and express themselves in music and art and film, but there are sooooo many local groups, school clubs, and semi-professional troupes that allow a lot more vigilance in child welfare. For kids, whether you’re performing on Broadway or in your school’s musical, it feels the same! Kids - especially 13 and under but even up through 18 - shouldn’t be famous. Period.
As someone who works in the child care/foster care/children of the state field, these are all things I’ve learned to teach the kids about in their own way. It’s so crazy to me to see how some of our most vulnerable members of society can be so belittled and no one bats an eye. So excited to continue to listen and learn.
Wow.. just realizing how weird it is to think that I was 4-17 years old in local theatre productions changing in front of fellow children, teenage boys, and full ass adults. Never even questioned the way my mic was put on.. Thank you for opening our eyes
Infinite gratitude, Alyson. As a CSE survivor (not in entertainment), so much of this spoke to aspects of my own history that even I'd somehow not considered yet. And I educate on this! When things are normal for *you* it's easy to look right past them in the rearview. But this is so so important for the general public to consider when falling in love with characters - ideas - not the people living and breathing behind them. This loss of autonomy in childhood make it so easy to continue into adulthood in relationships, medical settings, and projected identity, too. Mmmph. I'm so proud of you, and have much gratitude for your work.💜
There will be quite a bit more speaking to sensitive topics, so sending a loving/sensitive warning in advance. We include trigger warnings, but it’s still worth noting. Thanks for sharing!
@TheRealAlysonStoner I so appreciate that, love. "Thankfully" this is something I also do education in for a living, so my triggers are well managed today, but I so value the heads up for not just me but everyone else. 🙏Keep being wonderful. 💜
hearing these experiences is jarring. as a kid born in '94 and watching so many of these shows/movies/music videos that you and your peers were creating, and having no idea at the time that your lives were even remotely difficult, and looking up to you/admiring you/being jealous of you... it really is just something to hear what was really happening. your eloquence and ability to convey your thoughts and feelings and trauma is inspiring. thank you for creating this. people need to understand that not only are there lasting consequences for those who are out of this system, but there are still so many kids STILL being impacted by this abusive system.
People’s behaviors are psychotic. I can remember when I was a kid looking up to these child actors, loving them and treating them as if their characters were real and that we were friends. I was 8 though. I’m now 24 years old, and honestly the thought of asking a celebrity for hand outs and saying they won’t support them anymore if they don’t, is delusional beyond belief. Don’t even get me started about the predators, and disregard for the child star’s safety. It makes me sick to my stomach! I’m so sorry for the people that invade your personal space. I’m sorry that people can’t get a grip on reality. Hopefully we’re in a better direction with you, and other child stars finally coming out and speaking the truth. Thank you for this, it’s long overdo. Liked and Subscribed ❤
Man, when you take a step back and look at this part of society it is weird as F*@k. I have never really, like, really thought about this industry and all the very strange ways it exploits people. Thank you for taking the time to break this down!
I can’t wait until the episode where you discuss the financial aspects of this. A lot of child stars end up extremely broke, most celebrities we think are rich are not even that wealthy. The facade of it all. You are doing great so far!
Yes! Next episode will speak to this a bit, but there's so much room to get into greater detail. (I just learned about a few peers who are *big names* who apparently have *no money* because they never learned money management, and you would never be able to tell they're struggling financially based on the optics of their current careers. So sad.)
Your delivery and research coupled with first and secondhand experience on the topic makes this a masterclass in educating on these topics, and a great catalyst for then taking action. I love this for discussing not only the impact of these issues in regards to a child at different ages, but also into adulthood for all public figures. How the halo affect obstructs vision and how close people try to get with celebrities, and how certain fan reactions can add fuel to the fire of being taken advantage of. It ends up hitting from all sides - not just in the professional world, but then also in personal life. I've seen this happen on a small scale just being on social media, which has created a whole new world of lost boundaries. Having open access must equal having respect and boundaries go out the window for some people, and I hope that with videos like this it will start to change. Also to reverse the one person's comment, you clearly DO care about people. Can't wait for future episodes and thank you for sharing, it's such an important topic.
So insightful! Love the aspect of drawing the parallel to what's happening on social media. There's a future episode dedicated to the digital landscape and how all of us online - not just public figures - are now navigating these kinds of experiences, but no one is adequately prepared.
Approaching a child even if they’re an actor is so so strange and gross. I’m stoked you are doing such an in-depth project on child stardom, kids should not be subjected to any of this 🙁
I am horrified at this! The revelations of the reality of the other side of the screen are opening my eyes to the reality that so many stars that I admired as a kid lived. Alyson, I’ve watched your work on screens of all sizes, and thank you for these thought-provoking episodes.
Really appreciate the work you're doing for this podcast. I like how this episode felt more conversational, and you do a great job of painting a clear picture why lack of physical autonomy is such a universal experience for child actors. When you talked about studios owning your likeness, it made me curious how this podcast might eventually address child actors' rights as it relates to the actors' strike and labor unions in Hollywood. Looking forward to getting there!
I NEVER listen to podcasts or anything that resembles podcasts. But after watching the first of Dear Hollywood I’m greedy for more. These are things that fly by me everyday and I never knew it. Thank you for educating us.
About the kissing I've always wondered how it feels to be surpassed on such a personal, important experience by a role, that maybe your partner is felt as a friend, sibling or even is not the gender you are attracted to. You gave me chills with your stories.
That has been known to kill athletes and has led to millions of dollars in lawsuits. I still see news stories of high school and college athletes dying of heat strokes because of things like this.
As an adult, I’ve always thought the concept of celebrity “worship” is bizarre, that all of us feel so entitled to stopping celebrities in public or demanding photos or signatures. Like hello these are human beings! I would HATE to be constantly accosted on the street; hell, I can’t stand seeing people I know at the grocery store! This is truly incredible, sharing this from the perspective of a child star and how absolutely overwhelming and terrifying it must have been at times.
I’m enjoying this podcast sooooo much. I’m mortified at the experiences you’ve had.. but I’m so glad you’re shining a light on things that have been hidden for so long, and you’re sparking NEW conversations (while being so eloquent!!) Bravo Alyson , you’re doing so well! 💕
This is especially prominent for KPOP trainees at the moment. They debut super young and start training sometimes 10+ years before actually debuting. Your videos make me question and critically evaluate how kids are pushed into the limelight so young and how scary it is when people threaten their lives, invade their space, or feel some kind of entitlement to them. It's disgusting how parents even see their children as less of a person and how that mindset is destroying child welfare in this country. Thank you for telling your story and I will continue to listen with an open mind. 🤍
I’m so sorry you had to experience such complex issues at such a young age. I was in complete shock throughout this video. Creating this series where you go into such depth into not only the entertainment industry but society as a whole really attest to your strength and wisdom. You are doing such an incredible show. As a social science major and young woman I’m just in awe. Thank you for these discussions ❤
As a kid who grew up watching this era of children’s TV, I always aspired to live lives like theirs or would want to be their best friends. I even for a period of time went to drama school with these dreams. Now that I’m an adult, even getting a tiktok with a few thousand views feels like too much attention and gives me anxiety. Watching this series so far has been so eye opening about how much I idolized and projected onto these kids -and famous people in general- throughout my life.
Now I was never an actor or anything but I was abused growing up. So i still deeply relate to these feelings and topics. Its truely fascinating to know its never been greener on any side.
Wow I'm so sorry that you went through all this. I literally watched you grow up, you're so talented, we really had no idea all this was going on behind the scenes. I just want to say I'm really proud of what you're doing, continue to be brave and speak against the industry regardless of who tries to discourage you! You're so beautiful and articulate. I never thought about how weird it was to be famous, and creepy too. Thank you for entertaining us all these years despite all the weird, creepy, and inappropriate behavior from both fans and adults who were supposed to look after you and keep you safe
I’m commenting on every video in the series after watching in full. A truly incredible feat to get all of this important information and life experience out to us. Needs way more views and I sincerely hope this is the start of a u-turn on what hollywood, media and social media has done to children and innocence itself.
You make me rethink my entire perception of teen/child stars, honestly I never thought about a lot of these things, you really meant it when you said you were going deeper
This means a lot! I do want to be mindful of how bizarre it must be from the outside to learn about this. I also know it's often hard to extend compassion to people in the public eye due to all kinds of stereotypes and misperceptions. 98% of actors are not actively employed, not making enough money to sustain themselves off of performing alone, not in "powerful A-List" positions, etc. Yet, they still face the brunt of these experiences (without having the voice or visibility to be heard).
I have no clue who you are (I'm in my late 40's) but LOVE LOVE LOVE your podcast. I find celebrity fascinating, dehumanizing, wacky, a trainwreck and yet oddly riveting the way humans pretend to be humans for money, and then we sit and watch humans be humans. I'm hopeful that I'm witnessing the start of some dramatic reforms in the industry. 🥰 I'm also trained as a marriage and family therapist so I am appreciating the enormous, multisystemic complexity and real life "scenes" you're describing that cast the flesh and bone moments that required your immediate reactions and processing.
I’m so grateful to have you a part of the conversation! Thank you for supporting people in their journeys. You’ll hear quite a few theoretical frameworks applied in the coming episodes! Would love to know your perspective.
As a teacher, I always find it sad when I see the kid actors say they never had any normal childhood experiences. I remember reading about Brandy being invited to a prom and the kids at the prom were mad at her because paparazzi was there and that made them uncomfortable. This is why I am more interested to hear what you have to say, Alyson. Every child deserves to have connections and a community and going from audition to audition seeing other kids as competition kind of robs kids of that community they get from school or a neighborhood etc.
Thank you for sharing these experiences. Again a lot to unpack. It is awesome that you do this to share and enlighten. It is sad some of the experiences you had with the public. It is flabbergasting the entitlement members of the public have shown by getting your private info, making demands, and then guilt tripping you for not accommodating them. Learning how the industry stole your autonomy through contracts and set up was quite eye opening. The fact that your face and body were used to market without you getting any royalties was unbelievable to hear. It sheds more light on what is being seen now in the actor strike showing how actors/actresses are used and get peanuts. Again thank you for sharing and looking forward to part 3
“Hey that’s the young girl that was dancing with Channing!” -> first thought I had when I saw the 1 episode’s thumbnail on my YT timeline. Glad I clicked so I could discover what you have to say about all those situations that happened/are happening to child actors. We, the public, for the most part, are not aware of what’s going on, so thank you for lifting the veil.
I am in absolute awe of you. The dichotomy of your voice being part of my favorite childhood shows and movies to hearing you describe these experiences firsthand is intensifying the impact of your words and having a profound impact on me. The phrase "nothing about us without us" comes to mind with this project, and there is no one better to get this message across because of the care and effort and research you've put into it for so long. As a sociologist this topic is so interesting to me and I cannot wait to absorb the rest of the episodes. Thank you so much for sharing your truth and being willing to educate us. I hope you're staying safe from the hurricane (and covid, and the rest of the threats that late stage capitalism has brought us)! Sending love from Brooklyn
I’m a beyond thrilled that this is being covered so deeply, thank-you Alyson. I’ve was in the industry for 39 years both as an actor and in the last 20 as a chaperone, which in the states has another name. I have some horrendous stories. I no longer work due the conflict of interest in trying to advocate for the rights of vulnerable young people in the industry. It does go all the way to the top. I’m glad you highlight the legal and contractual obligations as these get incredibly sticky. Especially in other countries like here in NZ where there are no unions or laws .. just “guidelines”. We do tonnes of American jobs here and the extras / doubles/ and stand-ins for young performers get an even rougher time, and lose much of the same autonomy. I look forward to more of this important work from you.
I just found out that these podcasts exist! I never even considered the life of a celebrity and how people feel like they have a right to have access to you. Especially with child stars. It's sickening! Every human being needs to hear these podcasts to spread awareness. I am so sorry for your experience Alyson. You all deserve respect, apologies, and common decency ❤
While I'm not saying the Hollywood stage is grooming, the 'normal' actions of filming almost feel like grooming actions, getting a child used to feeling foreign hands on them and never having the understanding of 'this is a bad touch'. It now becomes normalized and in cases where there have been convicted predators on sets, how are these children supposed to realize that no this isn't okay. Thank you again for sharing this with us. I really hope this is therapeutic for you and that people start realizing that celebrities are people too. Just like the rest of us, we're all trying to bide our time here and achieve that goal of happiness.
There’s so much to say, but I want to let people know something super specific, which is that productions usually have a tear stick on set (a cosmetic product that can help eyes well up with tears). Directors who choose to be emotionally abusive instead of using this tool have literally no excuse.
It's so sad that people literally love watching TMZ and other celebrity gossip shows. Knowing exactly what it does to the celebrity. i mean they are human and at some point where do we say the line was crossed? Just sad that people go to these extents just to get a scoop or article that in a few days no one will care about.
This series is insanely awesome! Finally this "inside the industry" info which I've known of tangentially is now front and centre. With all this exposed in such a masterful, caring and brilliant way, I really can't understand how people (specially in the US) are so obsessed with getting famous. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, I'm truly so sorry you had to go through all that shit and I really hope you and every child actor can eventually get some reparation. I hope this series creates the impact it should so we can slowly but surely (although no idea how) can get rid of this capitalistic, abusive and dystopic practices everywhere, not just in Hollywood.
It certainly is going to require a multifaceted set of solutions over a period of time. We're taking some meaningful steps right now, which I'll share in future episodes!
Can't wait! I truly believe this could also set an example for other industries with similar abusive, oppressive, all around disgusting systems@@TheRealAlysonStoner
You're so well spoken! Brought shivers down my spine! Thanks for talking about the things no one does! I remember in my childhood & the time you were still acting, Disney glamorized child stardom. They constantly had commercials about New stars & what their life was before vs. After being a hit Disney channel star. They often had commercials about their auditions then shortly later talked about how famous the new star is now. It was glamorized so much, every child wanted it. Of course we didn't get to see behind the scenes and it was all what Disney chose to show. And back then we had no idea it really wasn't glamorous. They had shows like Hanna Montana & Sonny with a chance etc that even showed stardom & what a fantastic life it was. As an adult, it's creepy to look back at the true indoctrination Disney constantly spread around about how glamorous it was to be a star. Of course as a kid, I too wanted that glamorous life Disney made it out to be as most of us did. I remember crying watching Hannah Montana because I just wanted to be in that life so bad. As an adult, I'm so thankful my mom never would take me to an addition & she didn't want that life for me. As an adult, I don't even think I'd do well at the pressure of that life and have too much anxiety for it 😂 I also never would have had the opportunity to find the love of dog training! Acting/singing etc being famous is fantastic for adults who can give informed consent & want that career path as some absolutely love it! But children being thrown into it don't even have a chance to discover what they love. And a name is put on them before they've had a chance to figure that out & discover their personal career path whether it is acting or something else! This is an important topic so thanks for talking about it!
I can't imagine having a doll made of your likeness and not having any say or revenue. As someone who was so excited to have dolls of my favorite actors, this is super invasive!! Ready to watch the next episode. Thank you for this series, Alyson.
This should be required for anyone who not only wants to be traditionally famous, but every wanna be streamer and influencer. The lack of boundries in public the expectation of hand outs the parasocial relationships. All of that is part of the job for all of those jobs and no one talks about those things
Alyson, I grew up watching you on Disney and I love to see how you're stepping out and really talking about things as they are. The part about talking about celebrities and the way fans react in ways like they know them and overshare in an effort to get attention even though they don't know anything really about them. We're so quick to judge and it's easy to do which is really rough on you I'm sure as it's not even the real you we're often seeing. Thank you for speaking up and talking about things - it's so well spoken and really a message we need to hear about Hollywood.
Ep. 2 Reaction: I love this, it’s like an audiobook/roundtable/therapy session. I see a lot of shared experiences with Preacher’s Kids, also known as “PK’s”: the expectation to be perfect, never have an off day, and live according to standards when we’re not even old enough to know who we are or who we want to be. I grew jealous of those who could skip church because they had an event to go to, or weren’t feeling well. I was directly and indirectly taught to be “on” at all times. I even questioned: why do I feel and act this way when I’m not a celebrity?! I’m just an “average joe” but all eyes are on me. Didn’t mean to spill into a vent session, but I’ll leave it incase anyone relates to it.
Thank you so mich for all your hard work and dedication in getting this information out there. This video series is going to help so many children. I hope you have some legal recourse for the old production company holding your footage hostage. Take care ❤
Alyson the way you articulate your words is just *chefs kiss*. It is SO important that someone speaks about the dark truths about the industry and we as outsiders become aware. I’m happy I discovered your new series, everyone needs to know about it! I’m subscribed and can’t wait to watch the next episode. Thank you for all you do 🤎
I grew up acting (not in the spotlight, as you did), but hearing your experiences is drawing parallels to my acting experience. Some layers occur in even "non-famous" productions and you're just revealing how prevalent this is, and overarching, and how important it is that you're addressing it. I'm even rethinking ideas I had, for ex., friends of mine being proud that their first kiss was a stage kiss. Baffling
Wow it's very interesting to hear the real experiences of childhood stardom. I have a better understanding of what kind of things you and so many others had to deal with. Thank you for sharing these things❤
Holy shit that’s wild of the whole access to child stars. That’s so fucked up and not normal!!! You’re a rockstar for living your best life and navigating what life had been for you. I admire that.
Thank you for your authenticity and vulnerability, you are so eloquent and insightful. thank you for using your platform to share your personal perspective and wisdom and reclaiming your sovereignty
I never understood how people get so obsessed with celebrities that they get offended when they make a life choice. Or even send death threats. I know as a society we hold celebrities in the high tier above us, but they are literally regular people like us. They just are held to a higher standard because we see them on TV or in the movie theater and that idea has to change.
My father taught me from a young age, my first memories of this was elementary school, that celebrities are people and not to approach them in public because that was their personal time. He taught me, through wrestling and soap operas of all things, that what I saw on TV and movies was a persona not the person. I kept this behavior throughout my life. I had the opportunity to approach Paul "The Big Show" White, Hulk Hogan, Brutus Beefcake (I live in the Tampa area), Dave Bautista, Tiger Woods when I lived in Orlando, and a number of others and didn't because they weren't on the clock, as I started referring to it. I won't approach a celebrity unless it is at a formal meet and greet. It feels rude to do otherwise.
Been a fan since we were both kids, this is an incredibly daunting and vast undertaking to be so transparent and honest with us, really proud of you and learning so much! Thanks for taking us on this journey.
I've actually thought how people criticize big corporations for how they treat child actors, but it's the same people that DEMAND children to become actors. The same people who criticize paparazzis will not even flinch at the opportunity to approach or invade the personal space of a famous person. I have encountered people who are somewhat famous in my country and I don't even say anything. You see them wearing sunglasses and hats. It has to be exhausting hiding to have some decent space 😢
You’re speaking to something so fascinating! We may scoff at another person’s behavior and truly not realize how we enact a similar version of this in a different way (and deem it completely “normal” or justifiable). When I see people from shows out in public, I still initially have an urge to go say something.. and that isn’t automatically a bad thing, but I check in with my motives, consider the context of the moment (are they with family? Do they look like they’re wanting to be interrupted? Etc)… Given I’ve been on the opposite side, I usually try to give them space so they can live their life. They’ve likely been stopped 20x that day already and they’re just trying to buy ketchup at the store. (Some actors say they love being stopped, so this is subjective. But still worth considering the way we feel entitled to their personal space.)
I live in New Mexico where the film industry is exploding and have a 10yr old who really wants to participate in that. As a parent who grew up watching the numerous rise and downfalls of child stars, I have major concerns and soooo many questions. THANK YOU for providing the information no one shares to make educated decisions and forethought contemplating how to navigate this desire of hers. I eagerly anticipate the coming episodes! P.S. I value your choice in dignity walking away from the production company. From an audience perspective, knowing you're making your series in your own way, without influence, especially on this topic, is exhilarating and breath of fresh air. ❤
Another amazing episode! Thank you Alyson for painting such a vivid and concise picture of your experience, I think it's so important to speak out about all of these things. The whole world is involved with celebrity culture, not only does the film and tv industry need to change, but we as the audience need to dig deep and think about how we consume media and how our own behavior as fans affects the stars we fall in love with. We are all people and we all deserve to receive respect, so we all need to be a part of this conversation.
You are so well spoken and a very intelligent young lady , thank you for bringing all these subjects up . My daughters were in the industry for 10 years and agree with all you are saying . Thank you again for speaking truth !! Can’t wait for your next episode!
6:40 god, this must have been so lonely and isolating. I can’t even imagine how hard it must be to never know if anyone was actually your friend or just someone who wants something especially as a child
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Wow. I never underestimate people (even myself) and to hear people requesting venmo for rent and car payments? They’re grown adults! Is this is just the very sliver of the tip of the iceberg you all go through. Jeeze. This is fantastic though. Just the way you’ve written it is very eloquent and to the point but not at all demeaning or off putting. Very well done.
You need to do a video about Britney Spears they ask her really inappropriate questions especially Diane sawyer
a lot of child actors have their first kiss on camera. it’s actually so creepy and weird to write kiss scenes for characters whose actors aren’t old enough to have experienced them. not to mention that the actor is the actual one being cornered into giving up their autonomy for plot.
Thank you Alyson, I’m learning so much every episode. I’m a sound technician and this really highlighted the need for consent when mic’ing people up and listening to their mic feed. And sometimes for live events, the client pays to have it recorded but the people present aren’t made aware. Autonomy and consent!!
The Venmo thing is WILD. The audacity people have...
I grew up in LA and there were a few "child actors" at our school and I used to think "they have it easy",
but now that I'm an adult and watching videos like this I just think...
THANK GOODNESS THIS WAS NOT ME.
I seriously don't know how any child grows up to have *normal boundaries* , *build trust* in relationships, and feel comfortable in *taking agency* of their life. We do have to protect children because they don't know any better. It is our job as adults.
This is so powerful to read! I can imagine it must have felt bizarre or frustrating for kids to go in and out “as they pleased” for auditions and jobs. And for the record, having only been in “real” school for a short period, I have to say… that’s not easy, either! 😂 I was like, what is this place?!?
You're killing it, Alyson! You're speaking about these issues so gracefully and masterfully. It's very interesting to catch a glimpse through the different lenses of your shared perspectives and lived experiences. These are immeasurably important stories to tell. It just further compiles the notion that we live in a multifactorially exploitative and oppressive society from top to bottom. Such is the nature of capitalism and all industries existing within our capitalistic society have effectively been adulterated. I've been long fascinated by power dynamics and dichotomies, class warfare, proponents of imperialism and topics of the like. Abusive structures truly permeate every facet of our society and I find that the most gripping conversations, for me personally, tend to point to or suggest the ways in which we can begin to not only contextualize the severity of the exploitation and commodification of individuals and their labor, but also begin to dismantle the very power structures whereby such exploitation becomes possible.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment. Power structures/dynamics, class warfare, commodification, all you named... incredibly complex constructs to reform/dismantle/reimagine.
@@TheRealAlysonStoner Reimagining is something women generally have to do in order to survive. Some of choose the hard path of giving zero fucks about what most people think.
Finding allies is crucial to reconstructing a life you want to live in. I hope you’re able to find some with the wide net you’re able to cast.
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The issue is without seeing her original contract it is also highly possible it was included in the original contract as a lump sum. Particularly as the doll was released in 2008 around the time of the movies.
I did costumes for a Little Mermaid Jr production at a local elementary school when I was a teenager. I showed up with my designs and the only info I had about the kids was their clothing size. I needed a few basic measurements for a few kids and most of them were excited about it and asked questions, some of them opted to have their parents take the measurements for me because they didn't want a stranger touching them, and one of them did not want to be measured at all. I had no problem with that, she was big for her age and close enough to me in size (I'm short) that I could use my own body as a reference and make adjustments later. Her parents and sister were really pushy about it though, and I refused to violate that boundary because I was also larger than my friends at that age and understood the discomfort. It was such an inconsequential thing, an elementary school play, and yet a bunch of adults really wanted her to "just get over it, it's for the play" even though it was clearly a big deal for her. Her sister ended up doing the measurements, she was upset and gave in because otherwise the situation would have drawn more attention to her. I had already said I could work without the measurements, but a bunch of people still felt like it wasn't a big deal to violate a clearly expressed boundary. It felt like everyone just forgot how it feels to be a 5th grader with no bodily autonomy, and most of them probably didn't even consider the compounding trauma of being treated like shit for being fat. I had already been there, the scrutiny you get for a body you can't control, every part of your life seemingly revolving around losing weight, being told your body is grotesque and morally bad, and then being expected to just be cool with whatever physical contact the adult who has the most power over you has deemed safe by their standards. Everything about the costuming process sucked for her and no one even cared that the person who would be making the costume (also me) wanted to accommodate her needs.
I have a lot more costuming experience now, and I'm a hardcore measurement-etiquette stickler. The only right way to do it is the way that is least invasive. If I needed a bust measurement or an inseam, I would never assume i had consent to touch those places based on consent to touch other body parts. Working with adults in that regard is also just different, they've made an informed decision to accept a role and the things that come with that. Kids don't think about that stuff as much when they audition for a play, and they might not even consider it until someone shows up with a measuring tape, at which point I believe the person taking the measurements is responsible for talking to the child about the process so they can make an informed decision.
Thank you for your sensitivity to this issue and for being proactive about creating safe experiences. I teared up reading the story of the young person.
One episode a week isn’t enough. I need to binge this. You are such a class act. With such grace, compassion and love
I know, I'm eager to share, too!! haha But the space between gives us a chance to sit with ideas and have conversations with each other. :) Once the full season is out, it'll be interesting to re-listen all the way through and see what else pops up!
@@TheRealAlysonStoner honestly, thank you for sharing such personal and emotional experiences! Your articulate and graceful way of speaking is so inspiring! Thank you and please don’t forget how loved you are 🩷
kinda missing the point huh
She's talking about body ownership, and you are demanding more episodes faster. Tone deaf, blind as a bat, unable to read the room, and empathyless narcissism. Congratulations.
my thoughts exactly @@whoisteo4840 Alyson doesn't owe us new episodes when we want it on demand... it takes time to create these things, process it, edit it, share it... especially when it's your life. I experience this on a micro level as a RUclipsr. there's a vlog I put out that included clips filmed over a difficult time in my life. To rewatch those clips, remember some memories that were unpleasant or repressed, and then to have to keep going cause this video needed to come out eventually... it took a lot of time to create, including time away from the project to ground myself. so... let's not rush it.
The fact that people found your venmo and are requesting money blows my mind. How do they think that's a normal thing to do?!
It’s not. Desperate people do desperate things. I think they also assume that a child actor has loads of disposable income, but it’s a baseless assumption (especially if the actor hasn’t worked since childhood/the Coogan account only protects 15% of what they earned, so their parents get the bulk of their income and may not share). Our government offers such little help to people in need, it’s not surprising that they’d do inappropriate/embarrassing things for money. College and a car are unfortunately pretty much required in the U.S. but without family help/scholarships/etc. you’re on your own.
Bodily autonomy is one of those things I really connected with as a Black woman. It’s something that society always seemed to feel like I had no right to, and if I attempted to assert boundaries it only made the abuse much worse. It’s as though your entire existence is only intended for the use and abuse of others. It starts very young and is engrained in you by every adult that’s supposed to protect you (assuming you don’t have parents who are aware of such things). It eventually becomes second nature to disregard those icky feelings or your intuition when it says something’s wrong. Thanks again for sharing your experience with us 💛
Such a deep truth with lifelong impact. Thank you for sharing your experience. Also for naming how it disrupts your relationship to trusting your own body/intuition, etc.
Yeah it's such b******* how to stick in a black woman tries to stick up for herself, she's labeled as aggressive. When a white woman would be labeled as strong. Bs. Total bs. So sorry you went through that ❤
I don’t think that’s just a thing that just black women deal with. I think it’s a thing that women in general deal with.
@@paulan7218Stop disregarding a persons, personal experience. Did she negate the experience of other women? No. She was simply speaking from personal experience. Thank you for your input, insensitive captain obvious.
@@paulan7218 your desire to discredit this person’s experience as a black woman - the only experience as a woman she will have in this lifetime - is so indicative of the lack of humanity black women are granted within society. She can’t even speak about her experience without someone thinking it’s appropriate to butt in and wave her off with a, “oh that just happens to everyone.” She is not everyone. She is herself. And she has every right to talk about herself. It takes nothing away from whatever experiences you might’ve had. Any time she speaks on her perspective, she is always going to frame it as the perspective of a black woman because THAT IS WHAT SHE IS. Jesus…
My little cousin has just finished a big project with Netflix. The way he's already gained so much attention from the family for booking that role makes it easy to see how strangers could do the same. Makes me wonder what he's going to think of it all as he gets older. I also would love to know what the less famous siblings of these child stars go through, and how it affects their image. I think of my other cousins who won't be getting the same amount of glory as their older sibling.
We will def have an episode on family dynamics coming soon!!
How awful for young young actors and actresses to be touched so so uncomfortably due to their job, man, this shouldn't had happened and shouldn't be happening anymore. I'm so sorry you went through that, it sucks.
we are approx. the same age, it's incredible to see people start to speak out against this. you are very cool.
i was not an actor or famous and have no idea what thats like but i was partially raised in the christian homeschool cult that they made the movie Shiny Happy People about.
from what i have heard from you so far, as weird as it may seem to some, i see so many parallels between the way i felt growing up and the way past child stars describe feeling, with a few obvious differences like the public eye and what not. i had no autonomy as a young girl, i was not even a person in the eyes of many around me. i was just a vessel for beauty and love and nothing else. it has had serious consequences on me even at 30 i struggle to view myself as whole.
you're extremely well spoken, articulate and you are doing more than just speaking on the horrible truth of child stardom. you're opening eyes on the idea of children as people deserving respect. which should be the bare minimum, but we know it isnt.
a vessel for beauty and love and manual labor and punishment*
Wow! Sending so much love as you navigate your journey!
thank you, sending to you as well
Thank you for shedding light on a horrible horrible industry issue. You are so admirable, and beautiful.
Grew up watching you and I couldn't be more proud to also be here watching you do this! Stay strong
I came across these videos on accident but I must say, this is so well spoken and well done. I’m sad we won’t get the chance to see the other artists you interviewed speak out but I’m glad you’re putting this out there. As a 25 year old who grew up watching you and others on Disney channel and Nickelodeon, I admired you guys so much and I’m just now seeing the ramifications of child stardom through people like you, Selena, Demi, Miley, Ariana, etc. You are doing the work for future child stats. I’m proud of you, as I know this will likely have a negative impact on you and your career. Thank you for this. Genuinely.
So glad to have you part of the conversation!
Allison, there was a time that society thought children working in manufacturing plants and coal mines was ok. I believe you are bringing attention to Hollywood that will make a change. I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this subject. Hopefully, 20 years from now, people will be shocked that these issues weren't addressed earlier in time. And yes... I believe this will affect our society in a positive way. Creating healthier children who become healthy adults benefits everyone.
Many of the inappropriate actions you describe about your experiences as a child, happen to non-famous female children as well.
You’ve laid out the details in a very understandable way and this is must-see YT.
Thanks for doing this monumental task. ✊🏼
@2:09 please tell me I am not the only one who immediately thought about “She’s REALLLY gOoD!!” 😂 ultimate halo effect haha
Oh my gosh, Alyson. The fact that someone would ask you for money and then get mad when you didn't respond is appalling. I'm so sorry that's happening to you.
I truly didn’t realize how healing this podcast would be for me on a personal level. I was never anywhere near this industry as a child but i was a high performing athlete throughout my entire childhood/adolescence and there’s a lot of similarities. I knew this podcast would be incredible but it’s such a pleasant surprise to have so much personally relate to my experience. I’m almost 28 years old and I’m just now realizing and unpacking the trauma that the hardcore athlete lifestyle left me with. Thank you for creating something so healing and so applicable to the entire spectrum of human existence. I hope it can be healing for you too, because you deserve to have work that helps feed your soul instead of drain it 🌞
Really can’t thank you enough for this pod, for everything you do, and for showing up so authentically. Moving through the world the way you are makes such a positive difference. You are such a game changer and the world genuinely needs more hearts and minds like yours. I hope the positive ripples of your work/efforts continue to reach everyone, everywhere. Sending you lots of love, support, good vibes, and appreciation ❤️
Wow, yes! I think you’ll find a lot more parallels in the coming episodes. Would love to learn more about your experience!!
This is so important to think about and bring to light. As someone who is currently entering the industry in my late-twenties I also feel super awkward about a lot of these strange situations which relate to bodily autonomy and being put into vulnerable/dangerous positions, and am still questioning/working through them as an adult. And it's exhausting and anxiety-inducing. I can't even imagine how a kid should be expected to handle all of this on a grander scale, especially when they're catapulted into fame and are the main breadwinner for their families. Definitely makes me wonder if kids should ever even be allowed to act or what additional regulations need to be made...
I’m a music teacher and often work with our schools plays and musicals. I think that school productions and local arts camps should be all that kids should be allowed to do. And not as a precursor to “real fame.”
@@n4musicastrongly agree. I grew up in theatre because my parents wouldn’t let me work in tv and film until I was an adult, and they were SO real for that. I was so mad about it when I was like 6 lol but they 100% made the right choice and my future kids aren’t going to be in film or tv, or any abnormally life-and-time-consuming activity, until they’re adults either.
@@AnnaYT9575 Right! And now that you’re older I’m sure you don’t feel like you missed out! And you were probably super supported in all your other performing aspirations at school!
As someone is actually broke…I cannot fathom sending these requests. Holy. I’ve been a fan of you since I was like probably nearly the same age as you! I’m happy I wasn’t one of the creepy fans. Just been so happy to see you on social media the last few years. You are so articulate and soothing almost to listen to. Thank you for your story. You’re helping so many people. 🥺❤️
Absolutely. That part of the podcast irked me, too. I don't like asking my own parents or friends for money or favors unless it's a life circumstance that I can not solve. Let alone strangers. If I ever feel like I'm in need of money, I'm always browsing and looking for jobs, not sitting around asking people for money. I'm sure everyone's families are different, though.
Thank you for this series! As someone who started acting in my early 20s, I could not imagine being in the constant limbo of the acting world as a child. Scared to go on vacations, unable to change your appearance, and all the things you touched on. It’s exhausting as a young woman let alone a child. Looking forward to the rest of this series!
I was groomed around age 5 to become the 'next child prodigy' and i collapsed under those heavy expectations...yet now im considered a 'failure' in the industry and have been left to wrestle with all the shame that comes with it. Body issues, feelings that i didnt make the cut based on my appearance and internalizing it to mean i just didnt try hard enough or there is something wrong with me. I have never even considered that I dodged a bullet...and in many ways i didn't. In my 40s i still contend with many of the issues you bring up and for the first time im giving myself permission to look at things differently thanks to you. ❤ please keep going youre amazing
I feel very privileged to get to hear your story first person like this. It's eye opening for sure. Even having watched adult actors work on set, I know it's an incredibly difficult job. I can't imagine being a child going through that.
Years ago I remember the girls at my dance studio in Ohio would talk about how you danced with them and that you were really making it big. I never personally met you but I always thought “how cool” it would be to get those opportunities. It wasn’t until 2018 I realized the horrors and truths of Hollywood. I was on one film set and after I saw the reality, I knew there is so much beneath the surface people refuse to believe. THANK YOU, for shedding light on your true, authentic reality. I have always looked up to you and now I definitely do even more!!!
Hearing about the invasions of privacy made me feel literally sick. I'm sorry you and others have experienced this. We need to do so much better by children in the arts and other professional industries.
This is amazing. I have the firm stance that children shouldn’t be famous. Kids should be able to perform and express themselves in music and art and film, but there are sooooo many local groups, school clubs, and semi-professional troupes that allow a lot more vigilance in child welfare. For kids, whether you’re performing on Broadway or in your school’s musical, it feels the same! Kids - especially 13 and under but even up through 18 - shouldn’t be famous. Period.
I appreciate you sharing your stance! It’s worth strongly considering age-specific regulations and/or restrictions. 🤔
As someone who works in the child care/foster care/children of the state field, these are all things I’ve learned to teach the kids about in their own way. It’s so crazy to me to see how some of our most vulnerable members of society can be so belittled and no one bats an eye. So excited to continue to listen and learn.
Wow.. just realizing how weird it is to think that I was 4-17 years old in local theatre productions changing in front of fellow children, teenage boys, and full ass adults. Never even questioned the way my mic was put on..
Thank you for opening our eyes
Infinite gratitude, Alyson. As a CSE survivor (not in entertainment), so much of this spoke to aspects of my own history that even I'd somehow not considered yet. And I educate on this! When things are normal for *you* it's easy to look right past them in the rearview. But this is so so important for the general public to consider when falling in love with characters - ideas - not the people living and breathing behind them.
This loss of autonomy in childhood make it so easy to continue into adulthood in relationships, medical settings, and projected identity, too. Mmmph. I'm so proud of you, and have much gratitude for your work.💜
There will be quite a bit more speaking to sensitive topics, so sending a loving/sensitive warning in advance. We include trigger warnings, but it’s still worth noting. Thanks for sharing!
@TheRealAlysonStoner I so appreciate that, love. "Thankfully" this is something I also do education in for a living, so my triggers are well managed today, but I so value the heads up for not just me but everyone else. 🙏Keep being wonderful. 💜
hearing these experiences is jarring. as a kid born in '94 and watching so many of these shows/movies/music videos that you and your peers were creating, and having no idea at the time that your lives were even remotely difficult, and looking up to you/admiring you/being jealous of you... it really is just something to hear what was really happening. your eloquence and ability to convey your thoughts and feelings and trauma is inspiring. thank you for creating this. people need to understand that not only are there lasting consequences for those who are out of this system, but there are still so many kids STILL being impacted by this abusive system.
oh one more thing, thank you for putting your own captions and not leaving it up to auto captions :)
People’s behaviors are psychotic. I can remember when I was a kid looking up to these child actors, loving them and treating them as if their characters were real and that we were friends. I was 8 though. I’m now 24 years old, and honestly the thought of asking a celebrity for hand outs and saying they won’t support them anymore if they don’t, is delusional beyond belief. Don’t even get me started about the predators, and disregard for the child star’s safety. It makes me sick to my stomach! I’m so sorry for the people that invade your personal space. I’m sorry that people can’t get a grip on reality. Hopefully we’re in a better direction with you, and other child stars finally coming out and speaking the truth. Thank you for this, it’s long overdo. Liked and Subscribed ❤
Man, when you take a step back and look at this part of society it is weird as F*@k. I have never really, like, really thought about this industry and all the very strange ways it exploits people. Thank you for taking the time to break this down!
I can’t wait until the episode where you discuss the financial aspects of this. A lot of child stars end up extremely broke, most celebrities we think are rich are not even that wealthy. The facade of it all. You are doing great so far!
Yes! Next episode will speak to this a bit, but there's so much room to get into greater detail. (I just learned about a few peers who are *big names* who apparently have *no money* because they never learned money management, and you would never be able to tell they're struggling financially based on the optics of their current careers. So sad.)
Your delivery and research coupled with first and secondhand experience on the topic makes this a masterclass in educating on these topics, and a great catalyst for then taking action. I love this for discussing not only the impact of these issues in regards to a child at different ages, but also into adulthood for all public figures. How the halo affect obstructs vision and how close people try to get with celebrities, and how certain fan reactions can add fuel to the fire of being taken advantage of. It ends up hitting from all sides - not just in the professional world, but then also in personal life. I've seen this happen on a small scale just being on social media, which has created a whole new world of lost boundaries. Having open access must equal having respect and boundaries go out the window for some people, and I hope that with videos like this it will start to change. Also to reverse the one person's comment, you clearly DO care about people. Can't wait for future episodes and thank you for sharing, it's such an important topic.
So insightful! Love the aspect of drawing the parallel to what's happening on social media. There's a future episode dedicated to the digital landscape and how all of us online - not just public figures - are now navigating these kinds of experiences, but no one is adequately prepared.
Approaching a child even if they’re an actor is so so strange and gross. I’m stoked you are doing such an in-depth project on child stardom, kids should not be subjected to any of this 🙁
I am horrified at this! The revelations of the reality of the other side of the screen are opening my eyes to the reality that so many stars that I admired as a kid lived.
Alyson, I’ve watched your work on screens of all sizes, and thank you for these thought-provoking episodes.
Really appreciate the work you're doing for this podcast. I like how this episode felt more conversational, and you do a great job of painting a clear picture why lack of physical autonomy is such a universal experience for child actors. When you talked about studios owning your likeness, it made me curious how this podcast might eventually address child actors' rights as it relates to the actors' strike and labor unions in Hollywood. Looking forward to getting there!
Thanks for the note! The strike and labor unions are certainly a topic we'll need to explore. It's.... complicated. haha
I NEVER listen to podcasts or anything that resembles podcasts. But after watching the first of Dear Hollywood I’m greedy for more. These are things that fly by me everyday and I never knew it. Thank you for educating us.
About the kissing I've always wondered how it feels to be surpassed on such a personal, important experience by a role, that maybe your partner is felt as a friend, sibling or even is not the gender you are attracted to. You gave me chills with your stories.
So glad you are able to now share and speak on your experiences, without being censored by some contract. You got me listening Alyson👏🏾
This is really enlightening. You've got me checking my own conduct toward public figures. Thank you! And also thanks for sharing your experience!
No food or water for dancers?! That’s actually so messed up! How are people supposed to be survive let alone be active. That is the least they can do.
The dance industry (and music) are arguably even worse than acting. :-/
That has been known to kill athletes and has led to millions of dollars in lawsuits. I still see news stories of high school and college athletes dying of heat strokes because of things like this.
As an adult, I’ve always thought the concept of celebrity “worship” is bizarre, that all of us feel so entitled to stopping celebrities in public or demanding photos or signatures. Like hello these are human beings! I would HATE to be constantly accosted on the street; hell, I can’t stand seeing people I know at the grocery store! This is truly incredible, sharing this from the perspective of a child star and how absolutely overwhelming and terrifying it must have been at times.
I’m enjoying this podcast sooooo much. I’m mortified at the experiences you’ve had.. but I’m so glad you’re shining a light on things that have been hidden for so long, and you’re sparking NEW conversations (while being so eloquent!!) Bravo Alyson , you’re doing so well! 💕
This is especially prominent for KPOP trainees at the moment. They debut super young and start training sometimes 10+ years before actually debuting. Your videos make me question and critically evaluate how kids are pushed into the limelight so young and how scary it is when people threaten their lives, invade their space, or feel some kind of entitlement to them. It's disgusting how parents even see their children as less of a person and how that mindset is destroying child welfare in this country. Thank you for telling your story and I will continue to listen with an open mind. 🤍
Let’s TALK ABOUT THIS FOR SURE!!! Adding to future episodes 📝 ❤
It is so refreshing to hear someone discussing these topics in a non-defensive and non-biased and non-judge mental way.
I’m so sorry you had to experience such complex issues at such a young age. I was in complete shock throughout this video. Creating this series where you go into such depth into not only the entertainment industry but society as a whole really attest to your strength and wisdom. You are doing such an incredible show. As a social science major and young woman I’m just in awe. Thank you for these discussions ❤
The world needed this project. I’m supporting you 110%, Alyson. I’ll be watching every episode and doing what I can to help others see these truths!
As a kid who grew up watching this era of children’s TV, I always aspired to live lives like theirs or would want to be their best friends. I even for a period of time went to drama school with these dreams. Now that I’m an adult, even getting a tiktok with a few thousand views feels like too much attention and gives me anxiety. Watching this series so far has been so eye opening about how much I idolized and projected onto these kids -and famous people in general- throughout my life.
Damn, Now we know why Bey and Jay are so protective of their kids and making sure there is control to their image. This is a really interesting convo.
Now I was never an actor or anything but I was abused growing up. So i still deeply relate to these feelings and topics. Its truely fascinating to know its never been greener on any side.
Wow I'm so sorry that you went through all this. I literally watched you grow up, you're so talented, we really had no idea all this was going on behind the scenes. I just want to say I'm really proud of what you're doing, continue to be brave and speak against the industry regardless of who tries to discourage you! You're so beautiful and articulate. I never thought about how weird it was to be famous, and creepy too. Thank you for entertaining us all these years despite all the weird, creepy, and inappropriate behavior from both fans and adults who were supposed to look after you and keep you safe
I’m commenting on every video in the series after watching in full. A truly incredible feat to get all of this important information and life experience out to us. Needs way more views and I sincerely hope this is the start of a u-turn on what hollywood, media and social media has done to children and innocence itself.
You make me rethink my entire perception of teen/child stars, honestly I never thought about a lot of these things, you really meant it when you said you were going deeper
You're truly so good at making all this information digestible so absolutely anyone can understand and I appreciate that so much.
This means a lot! I do want to be mindful of how bizarre it must be from the outside to learn about this. I also know it's often hard to extend compassion to people in the public eye due to all kinds of stereotypes and misperceptions. 98% of actors are not actively employed, not making enough money to sustain themselves off of performing alone, not in "powerful A-List" positions, etc. Yet, they still face the brunt of these experiences (without having the voice or visibility to be heard).
I have no clue who you are (I'm in my late 40's) but LOVE LOVE LOVE your podcast. I find celebrity fascinating, dehumanizing, wacky, a trainwreck and yet oddly riveting the way humans pretend to be humans for money, and then we sit and watch humans be humans. I'm hopeful that I'm witnessing the start of some dramatic reforms in the industry. 🥰 I'm also trained as a marriage and family therapist so I am appreciating the enormous, multisystemic complexity and real life "scenes" you're describing that cast the flesh and bone moments that required your immediate reactions and processing.
I’m so grateful to have you a part of the conversation! Thank you for supporting people in their journeys. You’ll hear quite a few theoretical frameworks applied in the coming episodes! Would love to know your perspective.
As a teacher, I always find it sad when I see the kid actors say they never had any normal childhood experiences. I remember reading about Brandy being invited to a prom and the kids at the prom were mad at her because paparazzi was there and that made them uncomfortable. This is why I am more interested to hear what you have to say, Alyson. Every child deserves to have connections and a community and going from audition to audition seeing other kids as competition kind of robs kids of that community they get from school or a neighborhood etc.
Thank you for sharing these experiences. Again a lot to unpack. It is awesome that you do this to share and enlighten. It is sad some of the experiences you had with the public. It is flabbergasting the entitlement members of the public have shown by getting your private info, making demands, and then guilt tripping you for not accommodating them. Learning how the industry stole your autonomy through contracts and set up was quite eye opening. The fact that your face and body were used to market without you getting any royalties was unbelievable to hear. It sheds more light on what is being seen now in the actor strike showing how actors/actresses are used and get peanuts. Again thank you for sharing and looking forward to part 3
I just learned from some peers that their faces were put on kids underwear without their knowledge. Eek! Super odd on many levels!
“Hey that’s the young girl that was dancing with Channing!” -> first thought I had when I saw the 1 episode’s thumbnail on my YT timeline.
Glad I clicked so I could discover what you have to say about all those situations that happened/are happening to child actors. We, the public, for the most part, are not aware of what’s going on, so thank you for lifting the veil.
You just awakened a memory for me of how freezing we all were filming that Petaluma train station scene
Forgot about that!
I'm so invested in this now. Thank you for doing this. It's really such important work.
I am in absolute awe of you. The dichotomy of your voice being part of my favorite childhood shows and movies to hearing you describe these experiences firsthand is intensifying the impact of your words and having a profound impact on me. The phrase "nothing about us without us" comes to mind with this project, and there is no one better to get this message across because of the care and effort and research you've put into it for so long. As a sociologist this topic is so interesting to me and I cannot wait to absorb the rest of the episodes. Thank you so much for sharing your truth and being willing to educate us. I hope you're staying safe from the hurricane (and covid, and the rest of the threats that late stage capitalism has brought us)! Sending love from Brooklyn
I’m a beyond thrilled that this is being covered so deeply, thank-you Alyson.
I’ve was in the industry for 39 years both as an actor and in the last 20 as a chaperone, which in the states has another name.
I have some horrendous stories. I no longer work due the conflict of interest in trying to advocate for the rights of vulnerable young people in the industry. It does go all the way to the top. I’m glad you highlight the legal and contractual obligations as these get incredibly sticky. Especially in other countries like here in NZ where there are no unions or laws .. just “guidelines”. We do tonnes of American jobs here and the extras / doubles/ and stand-ins for young performers get an even rougher time, and lose much of the same autonomy.
I look forward to more of this important work from you.
I just found out that these podcasts exist! I never even considered the life of a celebrity and how people feel like they have a right to have access to you. Especially with child stars. It's sickening! Every human being needs to hear these podcasts to spread awareness. I am so sorry for your experience Alyson. You all deserve respect, apologies, and common decency ❤
While I'm not saying the Hollywood stage is grooming, the 'normal' actions of filming almost feel like grooming actions, getting a child used to feeling foreign hands on them and never having the understanding of 'this is a bad touch'. It now becomes normalized and in cases where there have been convicted predators on sets, how are these children supposed to realize that no this isn't okay.
Thank you again for sharing this with us. I really hope this is therapeutic for you and that people start realizing that celebrities are people too. Just like the rest of us, we're all trying to bide our time here and achieve that goal of happiness.
There’s so much to say, but I want to let people know something super specific, which is that productions usually have a tear stick on set (a cosmetic product that can help eyes well up with tears). Directors who choose to be emotionally abusive instead of using this tool have literally no excuse.
Love to hear your perspective and addition! This is definitely a place to pool information.
It's so sad that people literally love watching TMZ and other celebrity gossip shows. Knowing exactly what it does to the celebrity. i mean they are human and at some point where do we say the line was crossed? Just sad that people go to these extents just to get a scoop or article that in a few days no one will care about.
This series is insanely awesome! Finally this "inside the industry" info which I've known of tangentially is now front and centre. With all this exposed in such a masterful, caring and brilliant way, I really can't understand how people (specially in the US) are so obsessed with getting famous. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, I'm truly so sorry you had to go through all that shit and I really hope you and every child actor can eventually get some reparation. I hope this series creates the impact it should so we can slowly but surely (although no idea how) can get rid of this capitalistic, abusive and dystopic practices everywhere, not just in Hollywood.
It certainly is going to require a multifaceted set of solutions over a period of time. We're taking some meaningful steps right now, which I'll share in future episodes!
Can't wait! I truly believe this could also set an example for other industries with similar abusive, oppressive, all around disgusting systems@@TheRealAlysonStoner
You're so well spoken! Brought shivers down my spine! Thanks for talking about the things no one does!
I remember in my childhood & the time you were still acting, Disney glamorized child stardom. They constantly had commercials about New stars & what their life was before vs. After being a hit Disney channel star. They often had commercials about their auditions then shortly later talked about how famous the new star is now. It was glamorized so much, every child wanted it. Of course we didn't get to see behind the scenes and it was all what Disney chose to show. And back then we had no idea it really wasn't glamorous. They had shows like Hanna Montana & Sonny with a chance etc that even showed stardom & what a fantastic life it was. As an adult, it's creepy to look back at the true indoctrination Disney constantly spread around about how glamorous it was to be a star. Of course as a kid, I too wanted that glamorous life Disney made it out to be as most of us did. I remember crying watching Hannah Montana because I just wanted to be in that life so bad. As an adult, I'm so thankful my mom never would take me to an addition & she didn't want that life for me. As an adult, I don't even think I'd do well at the pressure of that life and have too much anxiety for it 😂 I also never would have had the opportunity to find the love of dog training! Acting/singing etc being famous is fantastic for adults who can give informed consent & want that career path as some absolutely love it! But children being thrown into it don't even have a chance to discover what they love. And a name is put on them before they've had a chance to figure that out & discover their personal career path whether it is acting or something else! This is an important topic so thanks for talking about it!
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOU TO ADVOCATE. Thank you.
I can't imagine having a doll made of your likeness and not having any say or revenue. As someone who was so excited to have dolls of my favorite actors, this is super invasive!! Ready to watch the next episode. Thank you for this series, Alyson.
This should be required for anyone who not only wants to be traditionally famous, but every wanna be streamer and influencer. The lack of boundries in public the expectation of hand outs the parasocial relationships. All of that is part of the job for all of those jobs and no one talks about those things
There’s nothing on youtube I’m looking forward to more than these episodes coming out. So well done!
Alyson, I grew up watching you on Disney and I love to see how you're stepping out and really talking about things as they are. The part about talking about celebrities and the way fans react in ways like they know them and overshare in an effort to get attention even though they don't know anything really about them. We're so quick to judge and it's easy to do which is really rough on you I'm sure as it's not even the real you we're often seeing. Thank you for speaking up and talking about things - it's so well spoken and really a message we need to hear about Hollywood.
Ep. 2 Reaction: I love this, it’s like an audiobook/roundtable/therapy session. I see a lot of shared experiences with Preacher’s Kids, also known as “PK’s”: the expectation to be perfect, never have an off day, and live according to standards when we’re not even old enough to know who we are or who we want to be. I grew jealous of those who could skip church because they had an event to go to, or weren’t feeling well. I was directly and indirectly taught to be “on” at all times. I even questioned: why do I feel and act this way when I’m not a celebrity?! I’m just an “average joe” but all eyes are on me.
Didn’t mean to spill into a vent session, but I’ll leave it incase anyone relates to it.
Thank you so mich for all your hard work and dedication in getting this information out there. This video series is going to help so many children. I hope you have some legal recourse for the old production company holding your footage hostage. Take care ❤
I wish this podcast went more viral, this is the most eloquent documentary about child stars i have ever seen
I love you so much for this ♥️♥️ growing up with childhood abuse I can relate to a lot of this, it helps a lot.
Alyson the way you articulate your words is just *chefs kiss*. It is SO important that someone speaks about the dark truths about the industry and we as outsiders become aware. I’m happy I discovered your new series, everyone needs to know about it! I’m subscribed and can’t wait to watch the next episode. Thank you for all you do 🤎
Yay! Thank you for this kind comment! I made tons of revisions to the material over many months, so I'm appreciative it's landing! xx
I grew up acting (not in the spotlight, as you did), but hearing your experiences is drawing parallels to my acting experience. Some layers occur in even "non-famous" productions and you're just revealing how prevalent this is, and overarching, and how important it is that you're addressing it. I'm even rethinking ideas I had, for ex., friends of mine being proud that their first kiss was a stage kiss. Baffling
This is extremely insightful coming from someone I’ve seen on screen for most of my childhood. Thank you
Wow it's very interesting to hear the real experiences of childhood stardom. I have a better understanding of what kind of things you and so many others had to deal with. Thank you for sharing these things❤
Wow who knew 21 mins could go so fast!!
I could watch and listen to you all day so fascinating, tragic & powerful you are doing such amazing work!
You are SO WELL SPOKEN. This is so important!
Holy shit that’s wild of the whole access to child stars. That’s so fucked up and not normal!!! You’re a rockstar for living your best life and navigating what life had been for you. I admire that.
Thank you for your authenticity and vulnerability, you are so eloquent and insightful. thank you for using your platform to share your personal perspective and wisdom and reclaiming your sovereignty
Absolutely loving this series. Thank you for blowing the door open on this beast.
I never understood how people get so obsessed with celebrities that they get offended when they make a life choice. Or even send death threats. I know as a society we hold celebrities in the high tier above us, but they are literally regular people like us. They just are held to a higher standard because we see them on TV or in the movie theater and that idea has to change.
My father taught me from a young age, my first memories of this was elementary school, that celebrities are people and not to approach them in public because that was their personal time. He taught me, through wrestling and soap operas of all things, that what I saw on TV and movies was a persona not the person. I kept this behavior throughout my life. I had the opportunity to approach Paul "The Big Show" White, Hulk Hogan, Brutus Beefcake (I live in the Tampa area), Dave Bautista, Tiger Woods when I lived in Orlando, and a number of others and didn't because they weren't on the clock, as I started referring to it. I won't approach a celebrity unless it is at a formal meet and greet. It feels rude to do otherwise.
Omg, couldn't even use the bathroom in peace!? No one, especially a child should be subject to that...
Been a fan since we were both kids, this is an incredibly daunting and vast undertaking to be so transparent and honest with us, really proud of you and learning so much! Thanks for taking us on this journey.
This was so heartbreaking! My goodness 😭
Wowwwww the venmo thing really left me speechless. I cannot believe anyone would be so bold and so rude. Wow wow wow wow.
I've actually thought how people criticize big corporations for how they treat child actors, but it's the same people that DEMAND children to become actors. The same people who criticize paparazzis will not even flinch at the opportunity to approach or invade the personal space of a famous person.
I have encountered people who are somewhat famous in my country and I don't even say anything. You see them wearing sunglasses and hats. It has to be exhausting hiding to have some decent space 😢
You’re speaking to something so fascinating! We may scoff at another person’s behavior and truly not realize how we enact a similar version of this in a different way (and deem it completely “normal” or justifiable). When I see people from shows out in public, I still initially have an urge to go say something.. and that isn’t automatically a bad thing, but I check in with my motives, consider the context of the moment (are they with family? Do they look like they’re wanting to be interrupted? Etc)… Given I’ve been on the opposite side, I usually try to give them space so they can live their life. They’ve likely been stopped 20x that day already and they’re just trying to buy ketchup at the store. (Some actors say they love being stopped, so this is subjective. But still worth considering the way we feel entitled to their personal space.)
Thank you for including such great closed captioning! It makes a world of difference to those of us who need it.
I live in New Mexico where the film industry is exploding and have a 10yr old who really wants to participate in that. As a parent who grew up watching the numerous rise and downfalls of child stars, I have major concerns and soooo many questions. THANK YOU for providing the information no one shares to make educated decisions and forethought contemplating how to navigate this desire of hers. I eagerly anticipate the coming episodes! P.S. I value your choice in dignity walking away from the production company. From an audience perspective, knowing you're making your series in your own way, without influence, especially on this topic, is exhilarating and breath of fresh air. ❤
Another amazing episode! Thank you Alyson for painting such a vivid and concise picture of your experience, I think it's so important to speak out about all of these things.
The whole world is involved with celebrity culture, not only does the film and tv industry need to change, but we as the audience need to dig deep and think about how we consume media and how our own behavior as fans affects the stars we fall in love with. We are all people and we all deserve to receive respect, so we all need to be a part of this conversation.
You are so well spoken and a very intelligent young lady , thank you for bringing all these subjects up . My daughters were in the industry for 10 years and agree with all you are saying . Thank you again for speaking truth !!
Can’t wait for your next episode!
6:40 god, this must have been so lonely and isolating. I can’t even imagine how hard it must be to never know if anyone was actually your friend or just someone who wants something especially as a child