A History of Sampling w/ Chris Read (WhoSampled) at Point Blank London
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2017
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DJ/Producer Chris Read (BBE, www.whosampled.com) gave us a journey into the history of sampling at our recent PB x Ableton event at Point Blank in London, covering the origins of hip-hop through to the use of samples in today's pop music.
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Loved reliving some of the history here! I was at those Kool Herc parties. One of the best times of my life!
they made a massive creative leap of adding a kickdrum:D
Kinda love how two of my favorite genres(dancehall & hip hop) got started out of the same idea, where people would just perform live over a beat while a sound system plays.
Hip Hop is essentially what happened to Jamaica sound system culture when it was brough to US where there wasn't a movement of highly talented musicians willing to record backing records to sing/jam on top of as there was in Reggae with recording engineers like Lee Perry and backing playing bands like The Upsetters. The emergence of rap can fully be traced to Gil Scott-Heron. Suddenly if you had something to say, you didn't have to be able to sing. This idea then influenced Jamaican culture itself, so with raggamuffin you suddenly didn't have to be able to be a Reggae singer to clime to the stage and jam atop of a dubplate.
Sampling with rap/toasting is from soundsystem soundclash culture that’s fact! Point blank!
the 26 people that dislike this video are copyright lawyers
So many spoken word phrases perfect to sample within this video!
This was the best point blank video for a long time!i really enjoyed that!
This was an awesome walkthrough of this history. Perfect examples.
I listened to a small portion of this in the past.
Some would call that a sample about sampling history that’s history.
One of my favorite videos on YT, period!!!
Excellent Presentation and your scratching.... DAYYYYUM!!!
Loved this presentation!
This is a good history lesson and main point to take from this video is that all the genre's of music we have now has evolved over the last 5 decades in particular (but also as was shown at the beginning of it with the Beethoven example that all makers/producers of music through out the ages have been influenced/inspired by what they have heard and liked before and then have gone to make their own compositons/songs/productions/interpretations of music.)
Next is although there are lots of comments about what wasn't in it, it shows enough with the examples of how the early pioneer DJ's like Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Grand Wizard Theodore etc. by using 2 turntables and a mixer more like instruments in the way they were used for playing/repeating bits of existing songs/tracks(loops/bteaks/samples) to make a new song/track and even genre that evolved further when other new digital instruments, samplers, drum machines hooked up to computers and software etc. plus also using traditional analogue instruments all music styles and genres we have now. To which I like to add that any who like a certain modern genre but hate on another should understand that the music we all come from a shared/linked origin and wouldn't be here otherwise without that!
I love this video!!!! So educational! Very important as far as history! PLEASE DO MORE ON OTHER TOPICS!!
Fascinating workshop!
Amazing!! Thoughly enjoyed that.
Amazing explanation!!
Amazing job! Love these history lessons!
This is super insightful, lovely stuff
Yo man thank you for it! Great work!
Amazing video and presentation. I had no idea how sampling got so big and how it is so widely used today. Thank you very much!
Every hip hop artist should study a bit of the genre's roots. I bet the best beatmakers and rhymers have done their homework.
U damn sure right I'm on of them💯
Also study the latest technology in which you could do much more with the music, for example when the synth was invented it created new genres because you could make new sounds previously unattainable, use the best tech, programs and gear you have access to, flstudio is usually all you need, in that case push the limits of flstudio
Somewhere out there the new big genre ppl dont know of is already being made as we speak, like what happened with Jersey club
Its also pushing the limits of what we could do, like when southern hip hop pushed the distorition on the cowbell
great presentation! well done
Excellent presentation! Super useful for my AS level Music Technology students who have hip hop as one of their areas of study this year. Exam in a couple of weeks and this will make perfect viewing for them in preparation for that! Thank you 😊🎧
Nice presentation!
Great history lesson, thank you 👌🏾
Not only a great teacher but also a great DJ. Thanks for the presentation!
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Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Good teaching!
Nice feature. Just one thing though, it's actually a history of sampling in hip hop. The history of sampling in modern music is far, far wider and eclectic. Artists like Cabaret Voltaire and The Art Of Noise were using samples and completely redefining the way music was made in the 70s and 80s. And perhaps THE biggest stars of sampling at the moment - Daft Punk. It would be good to see a history like this one done of the wider history of sampling.
I'd include Jamaican music. Lee Perry was sampling in 1973 with 'Station Underground News' for those who are unfamiliar with his pioneering technical artistry. 1m 50s.
It's really strange to me that lots of Industrial and Noise doesn't get more credit for use of samples.
Not just that but how much of the Demoscene, Amiga/trackers, and Jungle/DnB scene used shitloads of samples as well.
Don’t forget Thomas Dolby, Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon “Money”
Sampling isn't confined to only one genre of music such as hip hop.
Depeche Mode & Renegade Soundwave are also prolific acts from the 80s & 90s that also utilise sampling technology within a traditional pop music format. Many of which are from brief passages of musical recordings by other artists, snippets of audio from television shows, radio broadcasts, films, environmental sounds, and more.
Edit: it's also nice to see some non-pop acts like Art of Noise getting some love & recognition it deserves. I feel like AON's music inspired alot of IDM musicians & experimental techno producers
Nice job! good stuff.
This man knows his craft. Respect .
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This is brilliant - thank you
u look great
that was great
My school introduced me to all of these inspiring videos.
this is so in-depth and to the point, On Point Point Blank (: THANK YOU CHRIS
Top class presentation ! I really enjoyed that....thanks !
Nice!
amazig video / lesson thanks
Nice video. Very concise.
Fuck me......That was an amazing lesson on music. Thank you so much!
Although I love the content I’m surprised that Dub Reggae is glossed over and un mentioned in any of the discussion. Dub reggae artists recreated popular tunes and dubbed over them essentially remixing songs in the 50’s....
Love Chris Read - he did an awesome Public Enemy remix in the 1980s
Chris is a really good scratch DJ!
Best music site on the internet in my opinion
Thanks - interesting
The DJ in the still pic when Grandwizard Theodore is mentioned at 9:55 is actually Tony Tone from the Cold Crush Brothers.
Was gonna say it I have met Theodore a couple times and .. lol Sad there is no photo credit. ->Joe Conzo. Called by the new york times as the photographer who took Hip Hop's baby pictures.
Hip 2 da game truly is a leap
If you don't already know, check out whosampled.com. I use that site to find the original songs of my favorite rap artists.
Thanks ;)
Hmmm... I know this bit of a history lesson is more about sampling / crate digging and breakbeats but as it was so concentrated on hip-hop I really thought that mentioning Gil Scott-Heron whose legacy is emergence of rap as message conveying, lyrical artform in itself (rather than Jamaica-style MC toasting) because it seems obvious with hindsight that it is with the rise of popularity of his spoken word social commentary music (The Revolution, first and foremost) that this transformation took shape.
I wish you referenced J dilla. To me he developed the last piece of the puzzle, that was sampling single pieces of loops, a kick here, a snare there, a note here. That is refining, that is the detail that producers go through nowadays.
Marley Marl was the first Hip Hop producer to isolate one-shots. Dilla's innovation was applying different swing settings to each one.
The pic at 9:55 is Tony Tone from the Cold Crush Brothers not Grandwizard Theodore.
When you mention where and who started hip hop respectfully include the “Legendary Disco King Mario, the Black Spades & Bronxdale Projects.”
Thank you for this video!
12:17 sounds like a beat you'd hear in industrial music or EBM
Beats from 13:10 is a template sample for alot of Jungle/Drum n Bass
Some errors here. Notably, Flash didn't invent the crossfader, AFAIK he never took credit for it, and I'm pretty sure he just used the channel faders to mix between the decks. He did build his own cue switch to save money, and I think his statements about making a cue switch have been misconstrued, because I've never heard him say anything about inventing the crossfader. Crossfader mixers were already in production, albeit uncommon, by the mid-'70s.
Aug 11 '73 was when Kool Herc debuted the "merry-go-round". He didn't loop two copies of the same record at that party, he mixed between the breaks of different records, like a beat switch. He demonstrated it in a documentary a couple decades ago. Looping came a bit later.
the pic was of dj tony tone of the coldcrush brothers. not grand wizard theodore. lol brilliant presentation tho. thankyou
Chris Read is dope as fuck
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@@Chris_Read have many of your mixtapes hope your still killing the decks bro.
Peace
I like his I can't be bothered drone. 😂
Skull Snaps Song "It's a New Day" is a song that has been heavily sampled over the years. Any hip hop head who listens to the song will know what I'm talking about
It must have been a hard job trying to crunch so much info in such a little time so lots of things missing but still very informative ! Congrats really ! Sad there is no photo credit. ->Joe Conzo. Called by the new york times as the photographer who took Hip Hop's baby pictures. And yes , it has been said already but the picture of Grand Wizard Theodore is not portraying him but I don't remember who it is ...Tony Tone ? Cold Crush.
Whasn't Marley Marl who first choped the drums? Kick Sner Hi.. good video ✌🏼
wow
@9:50 is a picture of 'DJ Tony Crush' (Cold Crush Brothers) not 'Grand Wizard Theodore'
I was gonna say it . Thanks.
Sad there is no photo credit. ->Joe Conzo. Called by the new york times as the photographer who took Hip Hop's baby pictures.
CHECK OUT SOUNDBREAKING THE DOCUMENTARY SERIES ON A PROGRAM ABOUT SAMPLING. EVEN THE BEATLES SAMPLED.
Tried to count how many times he said "like"
Did they take their data off Discogs who have been going years.
How bout Gotye Samples from Pumped Up Kicks
How does "WhoSampled" recognize or discover these original records? I mean how do they know where the artistes get all their samples from.
Clyde Stubblefield was a beast.
The Beethoven example is not a good example (plenty of others in the western classical world that exemplify sampling/quoting better) because Diabelli sent this music to Beethoven with the explicit purpose of Beethoven making variations of it - it was willingly offered as a sample, so to speak. Otherwise, good lecture.
NO MARLEY MARL ????
tribe deserved getting mentioned here :D
They got it at 21:44
dat mpd24
I'm confused was the video posted again?
Yes indeed, re-posted with a few edits to images.
Really interesting, especially for those who have an interest in music but are not as experienced or knowledgeable as most DJ's or producers.
Really enjoyed the whole thing, well until you played 'Drake' .... my god it just proved that sampling and electronic music has reached a record low.
Thanks for watching.
Shade thrown at AVH... ;-)
Sampling with rap/toasting is from soundsystem soundclash fact. Point blank!
23:25-RIP Mac Miller 🥤and 🍕
Can't really understand the laws of sampling, is it legal or not? What makes it legal and whats not?
Well if your sampling other peoples music if your going to sell it you have to pay royalties.
If your putting it up for free on SoundCloud it's totally legal and fine and no ones gonna sue you
So, as long as im not making money of it, im free to use it right? Got it, thanks
that's not true, just because you're not directly making money from a piece of music that contains a sample, doesn't mean you're not profiting from it somehow, technically you could still get sued. if you publish it, even for free, you're using it for publicity, and advertisers need to pay royalties.
@Technews Bars and other venues actually are supposed to pay those royalties for the privilege of playing copywritten music via band or radio.
Seems a shame and real omission not to include the West Coast sound from 92 to 96. Also the sampling of Dancehall basslines in early Jungle. Enjoyable video nonetheless.
Amen break?
#Jealous of US3!!!
Good stuff but bruh, based on "worker's songs"?
as well as 'immigrant populations'
Use of both of those phrases something that I covered in my foot notes if you want to take a look: musicofsubstance.com/point-blank-history-of-sampling-workshop-foot-notes/
Clyde Stubblefield.
SNAKES
shtiscraazy
"Traditional Worker songs" lol
Who sampled claims that others are breaching the law! Each time they share producers or beatmakers! They would have to demonstrate in court that an artist had stolen a composition.
E-MU SP 1200
Ourist lol
Here samling off African American Music.
Wait, ok. Is that the official story of hip hop?
Maybe I should leave it be.
But I can’t so here goes.
For starters, what do we mean by hip hop?
Culture first, dancing second, gangs third, graffiti fourth. Dj fith. Rapper six.
Culture:
South Bronx life. Before they burned down the buildings.
71ish. If you were 13 in 1970 the generation above you served in the Vietnam war.
That generation was demolish by heroine, war, and an abandoned, no longer necessary NYC.
The little brothers to that group started hip hop.
You’d go to your friends house and see his older brother in a uniform all spiffy. Then find out that he died or was that bum dude in the back room.
Wait… to be continued.
This is going to be long .
I don't know. I don't have a huge problem with sampling but I prefer being original when I make music. I would feel that I'm cheating or stealing if I take from another artist and build on it. There are copyright laws that are always being violated due to sampling. I guess I've always had an issue with sampling with regards to taking from other artists and yet we seem to ignore a band of the 80's that were renowned for sampling and that was The Art of Noise.
They used samplers the way they should have been used. Not stealing or cheating but innovating and originalilty.
If you have never heard of The Art of Noise, check them out.
Tracks to listen to. Close to the Edit. Legs (or Legacy). Beat Box.
@AERI
Hope this finds you well... Im only 3 years late......
Sampling is not the one thing... It may have created hip hop, but Ive always been a sucker for sampling to make instruments... Texturtes .. sounds...
So, Here on display NOT the history of sampling.... Its the history of sampling of a genre / subject you know.
As youve pointed out re AON, as Yello, JMJ never They use samples to create sounds to make the music.. Whether instrumental, or their own exclusive sounds...Thats sampling too, but its more than just triggering...
As for Yello....
I must share.
Yello played in NY city in 1984.. They made a track that was a hit on the black music dance charts....
The venue was packed.... PACKED.. 1 the Singer, 1 the Muso.. Fairlight arched up, and mostly the entire audience who were black saw 2 white , well dressed Swiss guys walk on stage... They'd never seen them, new who they were , but were there for the music.... and there's actual mention that the way Dieter Mier (The singer) was one of the pioneers of rap.... I shit you not... Just listen to the single "Bostich"....
And if you want to know what they played at the gig In NY?
Yello: Live at the Roxy. (Is a version of bostich mixed up...)
Now to 6 degrees.....
I left my Suit & Tie wearing job to work in a Music shop in Sydney.. I was on the Hi tech floor.. Loved it!
It was 1990, EPS, S900 , ect ect.. affordable samplers.. (kids today dont realise went you got a LOAN, that could buy a CAR back then, you cold buy a Sampler... ONE Sampler...you researched, months and months, then committed. Its called living on noodles..
But today where everything a mouse click away, theres always the next best thing.. That plug in thats not free (but is) doesn't make a sound some producer guy does.....And from the either of the Eithernet "Buy XXXXX, Such and such uses it".... And I know , reading the question he asks, he could of done it without spending money, or cracking software..
You see, the question will always have an answer, but knowing how to Get to the answer through trail and error (knowing your tools) is more valuable addition to that knowledge. Same as my reasons to post this...
Ap[ologies, to the point at hand. So , a guy comes in to the shop, and is selling me on an idea, a product he has... in his hands... It was a CD. After our conversation we agreed he'd leave it on consignment and check out if it would peak any interest.
That CD, in 1990, He wanted to sell for $299... Yep.. It was a Sample CD. THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS!
No internet then , only BBS's, Whatever Baud Rate Modems, And a CD burner would cost you $40K.. Blanks were $300 or so,,,,,
So I did what any music shop guy would do.... Take it home and arch it up... You know what? 50% of the samples on that AUDIO Sample CD were from Yello .....
I was somewhat thrown back, because , Ive followed them since 1980, And thinking, "His given this to the wrong guy".... But at the same time, It just reinforced how much Boris Blank, and Yello have done without many knowing at all.
And the morale of that shop story? Na, There isnt one... But that guy Doug who walked in with that CD, I'm pretty sure he did alright in the end.. Started a little company called ,hmmm... East West? Something like that.
Anyway, 'nuff of my stories...
Beers and Cheers form Down under.
This was a total rip off, of another older documentary, but with his own spin on it... Anybody ?
I'm certainly not the first person to attempt to tell the story of sampling. I dare say there are dozens of lectures or docs on the subject. The only part that I did take inspiration from a specific lecture on though is the reference to the Legendary KO, Kanye, Ray Charles etc, which was the subject of a Duke Law lecture from about 10 years back. I mention it in passing because it's a great practical example of a chain of connections but there's a much more detailed exploration in the original lecture. There's further info on that here: law.duke.edu/news/2757/
It was a joke man. Your presentation was excellent, and thanks for it, I really enjoyed..
hazybrain7 Good one
It just covered all the stuff u should already know about sampling if u r into yer music production or have read all the music books,
He should have covered all the old skool rave sample 88-93(Uk) what is not covered much not just stuff u can find on the net and ripp it off, Cover something diffrent !
So a.. SAMPLE?
Immigrants had ZERO to do with Hip Hop music. Why is "immigrant population" even a bullet point? Here we go again! People from outside the culture telling us where it came from! This makes ZERO sense. It's hard to sing and dance at the same time, there would always be a break beat, as long as there going to be dance! That's where Hip Hop began to go wrong, they took the dance out, and made it all about the lyrics. After which, became are your lyrics the real you? Black music itself was only our interpretation of mathematics. Now that the computer is here, and information is free, we don't really need music no more, it was only a stepping stone.
Kool Herc immigrated to NY from Jamaica. Kool Herc started hip hop. But yeah, immigrants had zero to do with hip hop music. Riiiight
Wish I could watch this but it was boring me so much good topic but not engaging anyways check out my beats on my channel imma a beat sampling machine
Alot of this is a bit incorrect
Can you expand on that statement?
Lol did this guy just refer to slaves in the US as "immigrant populations"?😂 I'm sure 100% of people would agree that slavery add immigration are not the same lol.
besides that, Super informative and a great class and I'm definitely going to feel like less of a lazy artist when sampling now.
Glad you found it informative. You're not the first to mention the language on this point. I have tried to reply elsewhere on this thread, but I say populations in the plural (rather than referring specifically to African Americans) to reflect the fact that jazz enjoys roots in the musical traditions of both Africa and Europe. The link to the Jazz in America website in my footnotes explores this in some more detail: musicofsubstance.com/point-blank-history-of-sampling-workshop-foot-notes/
@@Chris_Read there are some great studies of blues and how it contains elements of Scots folk song structure (the repetition of lines, for example), another early 'plantation' music, 'fife and drum' has even move obvious european influences, all of which emphasises one of the points you make in this video which is that no music exists in a vacuum and just appears from nowhere without identifiable outside influences. Apart from maybe Kraftwerk lol
Click bait
This not true
19:46 "...and that's not a massively sophisticated piece of production..." Yes it was. At the time. Cutting edge in fact. There's your credibility blown in one stupid statement.