Lmao are you stupid? Destroying properties of the 2nd dimension is a 11-C feat. It’s so insignificantly weaker than us because we exist on a higher dimension. 3D rock > 2D universe. Just like a 4D gun > our world
@@LeonhartAugust yes but even though bill was a second dimensional being he still could easily destroy our dimension have you even watched gravity falls?
@@TheEugenetay He’s still universal because he destroys a universe after another. He’s considered a threat to the multiverse because he moves from one to another
funny thing is bill is also very patient, bill is also willing to wait for millions of years to make his plans come true which is why i am scared and impressed about his patience.
“He appeared in a two-dimensional reality” Bro you forgot to add the point where he destroyed that entire reality and came to the 3rd dimension to destroy it too
Axolotl forbade Bill to use more than his 1% because reality would be destroyed besides that that is not even Bill's real form and Bill is just a nickname we don't even know his real name
If it wasn’t for the barrier, bill would’ve already killed every being alive and already conquered the 3rd dimension ready to go to the 4th while being in his normal state of for,. No need to show true power for bill.
Fun fact!! Bill was so powerful that he destroyed his home dimension. He lives in the "nightmare realm"- which is just the space in-between dimensions, and is highly unstable. He wanted to take over 46'/ (our dimension), purely for power. Everyone in the entire *multiverse* knew him. So he wasn't just universal, he was multiversal. He also had power beyond comprehension. This power was amplified to an extreme extent when he gained a physical form. More Information can be found in Journal 3 (The Oracle page, The Nightmare Realm page, etc.) and informative videos about Bill's powers! :]
@@Zaytrue surprisingly no, alot of people didn't know this. I was just trying to share information since the person in the video said he was only universal, when Bill is infact *multiversal.*
Videos like this only gets funnier when you remember He got defeated by 2 kids and 2 elders with a memory deleting gun and a simple trick while being omniscient
Bill is able to upgrade to higher dimensional powers as shown in weirdmengetton 3. he explains he had a multi dimensional makeover. Which means the higher dimension he gets to the stronger he gets. but from what I've seen he has been able to have some strong powers just from being in his 2nd dimensional dream form. Also on a power scale he literally destroyed his whole universe considering it all contains multiple parallel dimensions that where also 2nd. (A universe is significantly bigger than a dimension, a universe contains multiple dimensions within it.) So when people "over power him" it's not so much over power. But more so just atypical powerscaleing.
Dimension in GF = Universe. Scanning: When I mentioned my vendetta to PF , his knee began to bounce with agitation and excitement , the same as my own " Fiddleford's knee . Although his dimension was safe from Bill , he understood the threat Cipher posed to the wider multiverse . He was anxious to help in any way he could . I showed him my unfinished Quantum Destabilizer a weapon I was designing to blast Bill into nonexistence . And I scan that, Reality = universe. I must now reveal the name of my " Muse . " Beware Bill ! The most powerful and dangerous creature I've ever encountered . This nightmare in disguise will seduce with you never ending flattery until he gets what he wants and what he wants is the destruction of this reality !
@@thegreatandpowerfultwily394 lol no he didn't, bill cipher destroyed his own dimension along with his own 2d universe. And a universe is significantly bigger than a dimension. Look it up yourself.
Doesn’t that make him Complex Multiversal Atleast? Considering Destorying Dimensions is a Low Multiversal Feat if the size is Infinite like the Universe it’s in?
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097 Ok thats my bad i was mistaken,i remembered wrong, But isn't he omnipresent:he controls the nightmare realm ,which connects to all demention Plus i saw somewhere that he can fly between the barriers of dementions,but im not shure about that
@sugunavathymuniandy5485 Bill cipher is only universal as he feats destroying the universe state in journal 3, and he doesn't have any immeasurable speed feats only mftl feats.
Yeah, blud, this shows he is more experienced and smarter - which i agree with. The dimensional stuff in inapplicable due to Gravity Falls not following or displaying a dimensional superiority (i.e, 4-Dimensional creatures are immensely, or even, incomprehensibly stronger than a 3-D being, and onwards)
Bill Cipher is straight up 5D, it was stated in the journals, he knows 5D calculus and he embodies a 5D realm. Bill Cipher is so strong in our 3rd dimensional plane of existence because he comes from a higher one
I think a lot of this one comes down to, Bill can only hop universes if he's got help from the universe he's going to, and cannot affect a mind he has not been invited into. Discord can hop universes just cause he feels like, or even overlay another universe onto the one he's in(See the OnO episode), which includes altering physics(magical physics are still physics, as Twilight attests), and can affect minds just cause, either turning them against their own nature(See Opposite Fluttershy), and can do so regardless of the willingness of the participants. Now, Bill can do more physical damage, as we see when he destroys Time Baby, but a lot of that is that Time Baby stood still for him(And was not killed by it, according to the end of the episodes' cypher), something Discord has shown to be able to repair fairly easily, even making multiple bodies at once so he has some intelligent conversation. That being said, the MLP universe is a pocket dimension of some kind(According to the Transformers crossover), so Discord affecting the whole of it at once isn't as impressive as what Bill supposedly could have done had he been able to get out of Gravity Falls. However, Discord CAN read minds(Even higher level beings as he does against his sister and Unicron at one point), and can directly time travel, meaning that, since Bill knows of a weakness he has, and knows where to find info about it, Discord can literally pop over to the Pines and ask for some help. A lot of this comes down to reaction speed. Bill is NOT faster than the Pines Twins(Which set? The answers is yes), on a physical level. Discord IS faster than Rainbow Dash, when he wants to be. If Discord can see Bill's thoughts, knows his weakness, and goes to grab it, he can then trap him and destroy him whenever. If Bill can react fast enough, then he wins.
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Which part? The reaction speed is the only thing I can think of, and while his movement breaks the speed of light, he's never shown to react faster than it, and seemed to treat is 'planet eater' form as simply the same as his own form, ignoring the difference in size would cause to his speed. Beyond that, the fact that he didn't seem to realize he couldn't leave Gravity Falls until he tried says he was exactly as powerful as he thought he should be, otherwise he would have noticed it before he sent his hench-mutants to slam against the dome...well maybe he would have, but he wouldn't have been shocked by it, he just would have laughed at them for it.
@@SageofStars he’s restricted at that time, he isn’t even scratching his full power at that point. If the barrier never existed, Bill would have won by then. As no one in gravity falls could compare, except the axolotl. Who lives in the 52 Dimension and is the most powerful character given from gravity fallsz
@@VengeanceGD It seemed like the barrier only limited WHERE his power could touch, not the power itself, given the things he does. Again, he did limit himself during most of the combat, but only because of the circumstances. He NEEDED Ford to give him what he wanted. He couldn't just take it. Discord could have. Could have even made Ford want to give him that info with a snap of his fingers. He also scales to Cosmos, who rearranged the stars, and even created a black hole during a fight. Meanwhile he is stronger than Celestia, who technically beat Unicron(She hit him with a sun, so whether that counts or not is a toss up, especially since it didn't hurt the essence of Unicron, just the physical body he inhabits, which given his nature, can be swapped out for another). That being said, a lot of this, as I said, is about the limits on their powers. Discord's power is specifically magical in nature, so anything that affects magic, the Throne of Queen Chrysalis or Windy's Bell, can depower him. And again, there were circumstances limiting him both times. In the case of the throne, he didn't want to risk Fluttershy who was somewhere in the Changeling Hive, so he could have dropped a rock on it from orbit to destroy it, but not without hurting/killing her. As to the Bell, he was trying to be a 'Good' Guy at the time, and using the villains for a plot to 'test' Twilight and company. That and two of them were magically powerful all on their own, but as he showed off, he could beat any of them individually(As he did against Sombra), they just surprised him with being able to use the Bell, something he didn't anticipate. Meanwhile Bill's minions couldn't beat the Shacktron even when powered up, and Bill himself only won against it when he discovered the barrier wasn't covering the whole of the mech. That said, for all it was annoying him, the Shacktron wasn't doing anything lasting damage(Much as he mentioned how long it takes to regenerate that eye.) Again, a lot of this is going to come down to reactions and knowledge. Bill can't read minds, only enter ones he's been invited into, but his full reaction speed is unknown. However, unicorn hair(Along with other alchemical elements) form a barrier he cannot break, along with the Weirdness Field of Gravity Falls itself. Something that Discord can see in his head, and again, he can manipulate space AND time. Bill can do the former, we don't know he can do the latter, but he never does, even when it would benefit him, so I'd say no. Discord needs only general antimagical macguffins, but I don't recall any of those in Gravity Falls itself, unless you count the Weirdness Field. Plus it's unlikely Bill will know that fact, since he can't read Discord's thoughts(Should be noted I'm counting thought balloon reading as mind reading here, but he also reacts to things others do before they happen, but it seems like he has to focus on them to know their thoughts, as he was surprised by actions taken by others a few times). We also never find out if the ray gun Ford had would have worked against Bill. We thing so, since it's, just know, Ford and the guy knew his stuff, but we don't know that for a fact. Still it implies even science(Magitek perhaps?) can hurt/kill Bill, along with a simple ritual to banish him back to the 2nd dimension. I've put WAY too much thought into this, obviously, but I love discussing things like this.
Neither one can just destroy each other without a challenge because there both strong in their own ways and just because someone says your character loses does mean that they are wrong unless they don’t site evidence or doesn’t give a good reason for their outcome soooo they both sited evidence for one but not the other and seem to have spite against the other characters. I’m not saying I’m right but am just stating my observation
@BarbarianSlayer48 The first defeat was humiliating because one of Bill's specialties was supposed to be playing with his mind and dreams, and he lost. I don't understand what you mean when you say Bill was tired in the second fight and that he was basically dipper, but it still counts, technically they had erased it and left it behind inside Stan's mind, the weirdmageddon was destroyed which is supposed to be Bill's domain. Uncles and kids >>>>> bill full power
@BarbarianSlayer48 Obviously, but it's fun to argue with someone who believes otherwise about Bill winning against the main character, and I wasn't talking about a 1v1 in my first comment. When Bill took dipper's body, he didn't know about the functioning of the human body, it was is ignorance the main reason for his defeat
And it's funny because bill was creating chaos and Discord is literally chaos/discord. And he can't die like Bill because chaos can even be in another dimension.
@@bruh-qm2uzthat's like saying I can't cut this paper into 2 pieces cuz I have a knife and not a paper cutter. Bill at his full is potencialy limitless, why couldn't He just replicate that element thing just cuz why not
I really like how half of these don’t even debunk the original video, discord was able to match cosmos powerful enough to meagre infinite infinite universes and multiverses, which are all infinite in size, scale to zecora who traveled through space and time via just moving (irrelevant speed), and he’s also omnipresent as as he exists any where we’re the slightest amount of chaos is shown, and the more chaos spreads, the more powerful he becomes, so the more bill fights, the more powerful he makes discord. Discord wins, low difficulty
You know there is 1 Multiverse which includes the infinite universes, there's no such thing as Multiverse(s). With that in mind I already know You're not a valid source
Em yes because literally he meanwhile the show or in the comics take a lot of dameges which at the end results useless against discord Like the sombra's Attacks or Starlight' blast and once i had Read in One comic Like he have take a entire multiversal barrege Like It was Just a tickles and tecnaly yes he Is boundless because he Is superior to the idw and that we can see It in the comics
Emm One tecnaly discord Is a God/draconiques/ Reincarnation of the Chaos and disharmony and discord can literally One shoot anti spiral thank to his hax can go to the Omnipotence
@kongernen9373 it sounded clearer in my head lol (was trying to say I was debating with the person who created the video that was being mocked in this video as to why they are wrong) it's hard to word
here goes everything STRENGTH: Bill wins as discord has shown nothing beyond superhuman while in his giant form he is able to effortlessly destroy large structures. SPEED: Discord wins because although they both have teleportation, Discord's is more effective, demonstrated when he took Celestia's tail without her being able to react. ENDURANCE: The two have proven to be nearly invulnerable to physical damage. Regeneration - Also tied as the two proved to have equally fast regeneration. POWERS AND ABILITIES: Both have extremely similar powers and abilities such as reality control, Telekinesis and Pyrokinesis, shapeshifting although in this section discord has proven to be superior since Bill can only change his form to a more complex one and he needs to possess the body to look like someone while discord does not, both have levitation among others, so I will take care of those that are different. Bill cipher's unique abilities are to shoot lightning from his hands, grow in size, metal control (greatly reduced ability when a deal has to be made), reduced time control, can summon his minions, some matter control, can turn people into gold and has some gravity control Discord's unique abilities are control of the stars, absolute control over matter, he can bring life to inanimate objects, he can steal anyone's feelings, he can create dimensional portals at will, he can break the fourth wall, he can turn anyone in stone, and can clone himself. So at this point I will give it to discord since he has absolute control over matter which can be of great help not to mention that his attacks come from magic which Bill is weak. WEAKNESSES: Bill Cipher's weaknesses are many such as weakness against magic, when his eye is gouged out he takes a long time to regenerate it, the pentagram of symbols and also his overconfidence Bill overestimates his abilities so it can be costly against someone of his own. same caliber. While discord has shown no weakness other than friendship magic, something Bill obviously doesn't have. IQ: This point is won by discord by being aware that he is a cartoon and although Bill is not stupid at all, he is usually very confident, which costs him his position. IQ IN BATTLE: Bill wins since he has proven to be a better combatant while Discord has not shown anything in this section. HAX: Win discord for the aforementioned. POWER RANGE: Tie by not being able to know for sure the limit of both and the argument that Bill destroyed a dimension doesn't apply because it was the 2D dimension and if you know a bit about how it works you'll realize that a 2D dimension is infinitely below a normal. WINNER: Discord mainly because of the advantage he has against Bill since Discord's abilities come from magic while Bill has a weakness Discord could only create a magical barrier while transforming Bill's attacks into balloons and counterattacking him with one of his techniques . Discord High Diff.
If you knew how to debate well, you would know that when it is a battle of multiversals, speed is immeasurable for what it is = and in this case the speed goes to Bill he is able to move in a place where there is no time space or matter is not limited
@@thatoneanimefan477 basically in one comic a villan called bookworm who discord scales above ate idw comics ( I kid you not) meaning he’d scale above transformers godzilla and any other character in idw In another comic it’s shown discord messed with the marvel 616 universe not a feet just saying there technically in the same multiverse
“Bill is only universal”
Bill:destroys the entirety of the second dimension and is off to destroy the third dimension
Lmao are you stupid? Destroying properties of the 2nd dimension is a 11-C feat. It’s so insignificantly weaker than us because we exist on a higher dimension. 3D rock > 2D universe. Just like a 4D gun > our world
@@LeonhartAugust yes but even though bill was a second dimensional being he still could easily destroy our dimension have you even watched gravity falls?
@@TheEugenetay He’s still universal because he destroys a universe after another. He’s considered a threat to the multiverse because he moves from one to another
Yeah, and Discord created, and then poofed away an entire dimension himself. They're equal in AP at best
@@LeonhartAugust he is in par with 7D - 11D charaters and 7D is like low complex multiversal and 11D is high complex multiversal, tho your right
*op characters existing*
Plot armor: "hey :D"
Remeber kids without this were dead
@@Sumamelaradioyep😢😢
@@Sumamelaradio The whole town will be dead without it.
funny thing is bill is also very patient, bill is also willing to wait for millions of years to make his plans come true which is why i am scared and impressed about his patience.
billions*
*trillions
@@patcharapongphutitanrak Wrong bill states he has waited one billion years for it to happen
@@Alonetravelercosmos i thought he said trillion
or my hearing is bad idk
Bill power list
Immortality
Nigh-omnipotence
Nigh-omniscience
Nigh-omnipresence
Genius-Level Intellect
Invisibility
Flight
Chronokinesis
Parafrosynikinesis
Voice mimicry
Possesion
Supernatural Powers
World manipulation
Madness inducement
Hydrokinesis
Mind walking
Mental manipulation
Animation
Materiokinesis
Alternate universe travel
Hypnokinesis
Clairvoyance
Dimensional awareness
Illusion manipulation
Laser manipulation
Molecular manipulation
Oneirokinesis
Fourth wall awareness
Soul removal
Time and space distortion
Electrokinesis
Energy projection
Replication
Object Creation
Nightmare inducement
Hypnoses
Apportation
Geokinesis
Terrakinesis
Materialization and de-materialization
Biokinesis
Reality Corruption
Duplication
Necromancy
Umbrakinesis
Pestilence creation
Intangibility
Elasticity
Petrification
Deflection
Atmokinesis
Chorokinesis
Weirdness inducement
Limb expansion
Energy beam emission
Optic blasts
Fantasy world creation
Chain creation
Dream materialization
Fortress creation
Light vision
Thought manifestation
Anger empowerment
Logic manipulation
Life creation
Reality warping immunity
Universe/dimension/world creation
Temporal protection
Contract bestowal
Astral projection
Psychological torture
Superhuman resistance
Wish granting
Aerokinesis
Thermokinesis
Weather alteration
Levitation
Dream walking
Teleportation
Pyrokinesis
Shapeshifting
Telekinesis
Sancti-pyrokinesis
Advanced pyrokineses
Dimensiokinesis
Regeneration
Size-Shifting
Reality-warping
Advanced essokinesis
Mastery of intimidation
Trickery
Mental projection
Mastery of manipulation
Deception
Telepathy
Sound like a feminist blue haired girls pronouns
@@-ertyrules-4761 ?
@@ВладимирПионеров Its because there is a lot of one line text you
@@-ertyrules-4761 i understand nothing, in a clearer way
@@ВладимирПионеров Gen z feminist girls have lot of prounouns understand it now
“He appeared in a two-dimensional reality”
Bro you forgot to add the point where he destroyed that entire reality and came to the 3rd dimension to destroy it too
Fr
Song?
Discord has created and destroyed dimensions. It's over Bill bros
@@thegreatandpowerfultwily394if bill won, he’d be doing that too so what’s your point?
bro there was so much I missed Bill is back I last saw this in season 1 not season 2
When you realize that some cartoon villains is more busted than most anime villains.
Honestly name one anime villain that can beat Bill Cipher or The Lich, the latter has legit outer scaling
@@ScaleroftheSentry Wang Ying
@@ScaleroftheSentrylol
@@ScaleroftheSentryyogiri is close to boundless 😂😂😂
or actual boundless
This DeathBattle about to be CRAZY!
ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN 🔥🔥🔥
@@HoloGames101realistically it could end up looking rigged until Bill pops up saying he was toying with Discord until he decides to get serious
@@HoloGames101 it would also be a joke about the fact he is the one responsible for rigging the death battles that were rigged in the first place
nah its gonna take as much time as it takes for bill to snap hes fingers
@@kongernen9373 that won't do shit dawg💀not on the stupid ponys side but y'all's are overrating bill
When you think about it, we haven’t even seen discord at full power.
And bill to
The reason why they say that some beat Bill is because he has not shown all his power.
@@AbsoluteEditor Discord hasn’t either.
Axolotl forbade Bill to use more than his 1% because reality would be destroyed besides that that is not even Bill's real form and Bill is just a nickname we don't even know his real name
If it wasn’t for the barrier, bill would’ve already killed every being alive and already conquered the 3rd dimension ready to go to the 4th while being in his normal state of for,. No need to show true power for bill.
Fun fact!! Bill was so powerful that he destroyed his home dimension. He lives in the "nightmare realm"- which is just the space in-between dimensions, and is highly unstable. He wanted to take over 46'/ (our dimension), purely for power. Everyone in the entire *multiverse* knew him. So he wasn't just universal, he was multiversal.
He also had power beyond comprehension. This power was amplified to an extreme extent when he gained a physical form.
More Information can be found in Journal 3 (The Oracle page, The Nightmare Realm page, etc.) and informative videos about Bill's powers! :]
that "fun fact" is basically everyone already knows that
@@Zaytrue surprisingly no, alot of people didn't know this.
I was just trying to share information since the person in the video said he was only universal, when Bill is infact *multiversal.*
@@B1LLC1PH3R cuz for the people that dont know that are idiots
Who can beat Bill Cifer ?
@@leonchan1298 main character
Finally someone with conscience in the world.
Bill doesn't have any feats or scaling to compete with Discord's.
@@icedemon8419He does?
Videos like this only gets funnier when you remember He got defeated by 2 kids and 2 elders with a memory deleting gun and a simple trick while being omniscient
The video got funnier when you remember that if there is a broken charater there is plot armor for the story
This video got even funnier when he realise he wasn't defeated and he invoked the power of the AXOLOTL.
Tbf, him moving through space was just him imagining it
He is a all seeing God
*kills the stupid draconequus*
Death Battle: we already did that bro
Bill is able to upgrade to higher dimensional powers as shown in weirdmengetton 3.
he explains he had a multi dimensional makeover. Which means the higher dimension he gets to the stronger he gets. but from what I've seen he has been able to have some strong powers just from being in his 2nd dimensional dream form.
Also on a power scale he literally destroyed his whole universe considering it all contains multiple parallel dimensions that where also 2nd. (A universe is significantly bigger than a dimension, a universe contains multiple dimensions within it.)
So when people "over power him" it's not so much over power. But more so just atypical powerscaleing.
This must get pinned bro💀💀 straight facts🔥🔥
You got universe and dimension mixed up bro
Dimension in GF = Universe. Scanning:
When I mentioned my vendetta to PF , his knee began to bounce with agitation and excitement , the same as my own " Fiddleford's knee . Although his dimension was safe from Bill , he understood the threat Cipher posed to the wider multiverse . He was anxious to help in any way he could . I showed him my unfinished Quantum Destabilizer a weapon I was designing to blast Bill into nonexistence .
And I scan that, Reality = universe.
I must now reveal the name of my " Muse . " Beware Bill ! The most powerful and dangerous creature I've ever encountered . This nightmare in disguise will seduce with you never ending flattery until he gets what he wants and what he wants is the destruction of this reality !
@@thegreatandpowerfultwily394 lol no he didn't, bill cipher destroyed his own dimension along with his own 2d universe. And a universe is significantly bigger than a dimension. Look it up yourself.
Doesn’t that make him Complex Multiversal Atleast? Considering Destorying Dimensions is a Low Multiversal Feat if the size is Infinite like the Universe it’s in?
My guess is that Bill's defeat is completely set up to come back even stronger than ever.
That’s right, I’m practically the strongest being alive.
Heh, might you know of the
*A X O L O T L*
Fight me?
Bill is error 404 victim
Bill neggs you@@ErrorSansChannel
I agree with you. Bill destroyed his dimension without much effort, by accident. 👍
that's your best speed feat,
bill moved when time was literally frozen .
he is also immeasurable in speed
Nice cap . When did we even see Bill Cipher move when time frozen? I think it's other way around
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097
Ok thats my bad i was mistaken,i remembered wrong,
But isn't he omnipresent:he controls the nightmare realm ,which connects to all demention
Plus i saw somewhere that he can fly between the barriers of dementions,but im not shure about that
@sugunavathymuniandy5485 if you are not sure why you are so confident in your answer?
@sugunavathymuniandy5485 Bill cipher is only universal as he feats destroying the universe state in journal 3, and he doesn't have any immeasurable speed feats only mftl feats.
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097 as i said he is omnipresent:he controls the nightmare realm ,
the No Sh1t was made bill's thoughts come in.
LETS GO BILL, HES THE TRUE WINNER!
Yeah, blud, this shows he is more experienced and smarter - which i agree with. The dimensional stuff in inapplicable due to Gravity Falls not following or displaying a dimensional superiority (i.e, 4-Dimensional creatures are immensely, or even, incomprehensibly stronger than a 3-D being, and onwards)
+ Sackboy victims
“Bill is universal”
4D universal minimum via killing Time Baby.
Bill: *most powerful being in all of existence*
Plot armor: ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
Bills gonna destroy 96% of the cartoon universe
Yep
I check, he solos 90℅ of fiction
I ment like prob 50 of fiction
Nah Not up to 90 percent@@BeyondersLight
the things go bad bad for bill untill he shows his real form or says his real name
Bill wins
@@icedemon8419 DISCORD WEAKNESS
And what Is It? The only weakness of discord Is the pure Harmony
@@icedemon8419 HE HAVE ALL WINSDOM EYES HE CAN JUST USE THE BELL ( SORRY FOR BAD SPELL) THAT TOOK DISCORD WEAKNESS
@@bruh-qm2uz THE BELL ( SORRY NOT ENGLISH) THAT TOOK HES POWER OR MAGIC I DONT REMEMBER GOOD
@@icedemon8419 I mean it saw ford , Stan and dipper weakness and exploited it
Ford - knowledge
Stan - his brother
Dipper - knowledge
Bill Cipher is straight up 5D, it was stated in the journals, he knows 5D calculus and he embodies a 5D realm. Bill Cipher is so strong in our 3rd dimensional plane of existence because he comes from a higher one
Aah yes, the dorito vs the goat
Discord: that's right i am superior UvU
Bill: ... **doesnt even bother showing up**
FINALY someone that tells the truth
W🔥
YES THIS IS PERFECT
I think a lot of this one comes down to, Bill can only hop universes if he's got help from the universe he's going to, and cannot affect a mind he has not been invited into.
Discord can hop universes just cause he feels like, or even overlay another universe onto the one he's in(See the OnO episode), which includes altering physics(magical physics are still physics, as Twilight attests), and can affect minds just cause, either turning them against their own nature(See Opposite Fluttershy), and can do so regardless of the willingness of the participants.
Now, Bill can do more physical damage, as we see when he destroys Time Baby, but a lot of that is that Time Baby stood still for him(And was not killed by it, according to the end of the episodes' cypher), something Discord has shown to be able to repair fairly easily, even making multiple bodies at once so he has some intelligent conversation.
That being said, the MLP universe is a pocket dimension of some kind(According to the Transformers crossover), so Discord affecting the whole of it at once isn't as impressive as what Bill supposedly could have done had he been able to get out of Gravity Falls.
However, Discord CAN read minds(Even higher level beings as he does against his sister and Unicron at one point), and can directly time travel, meaning that, since Bill knows of a weakness he has, and knows where to find info about it, Discord can literally pop over to the Pines and ask for some help.
A lot of this comes down to reaction speed. Bill is NOT faster than the Pines Twins(Which set? The answers is yes), on a physical level. Discord IS faster than Rainbow Dash, when he wants to be. If Discord can see Bill's thoughts, knows his weakness, and goes to grab it, he can then trap him and destroy him whenever. If Bill can react fast enough, then he wins.
Fax🎉
That's restricted bill
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Which part? The reaction speed is the only thing I can think of, and while his movement breaks the speed of light, he's never shown to react faster than it, and seemed to treat is 'planet eater' form as simply the same as his own form, ignoring the difference in size would cause to his speed.
Beyond that, the fact that he didn't seem to realize he couldn't leave Gravity Falls until he tried says he was exactly as powerful as he thought he should be, otherwise he would have noticed it before he sent his hench-mutants to slam against the dome...well maybe he would have, but he wouldn't have been shocked by it, he just would have laughed at them for it.
@@SageofStars he’s restricted at that time, he isn’t even scratching his full power at that point.
If the barrier never existed, Bill would have won by then. As no one in gravity falls could compare, except the axolotl. Who lives in the 52 Dimension and is the most powerful character given from gravity fallsz
@@VengeanceGD It seemed like the barrier only limited WHERE his power could touch, not the power itself, given the things he does. Again, he did limit himself during most of the combat, but only because of the circumstances. He NEEDED Ford to give him what he wanted. He couldn't just take it. Discord could have. Could have even made Ford want to give him that info with a snap of his fingers.
He also scales to Cosmos, who rearranged the stars, and even created a black hole during a fight. Meanwhile he is stronger than Celestia, who technically beat Unicron(She hit him with a sun, so whether that counts or not is a toss up, especially since it didn't hurt the essence of Unicron, just the physical body he inhabits, which given his nature, can be swapped out for another).
That being said, a lot of this, as I said, is about the limits on their powers. Discord's power is specifically magical in nature, so anything that affects magic, the Throne of Queen Chrysalis or Windy's Bell, can depower him. And again, there were circumstances limiting him both times. In the case of the throne, he didn't want to risk Fluttershy who was somewhere in the Changeling Hive, so he could have dropped a rock on it from orbit to destroy it, but not without hurting/killing her.
As to the Bell, he was trying to be a 'Good' Guy at the time, and using the villains for a plot to 'test' Twilight and company. That and two of them were magically powerful all on their own, but as he showed off, he could beat any of them individually(As he did against Sombra), they just surprised him with being able to use the Bell, something he didn't anticipate.
Meanwhile Bill's minions couldn't beat the Shacktron even when powered up, and Bill himself only won against it when he discovered the barrier wasn't covering the whole of the mech. That said, for all it was annoying him, the Shacktron wasn't doing anything lasting damage(Much as he mentioned how long it takes to regenerate that eye.)
Again, a lot of this is going to come down to reactions and knowledge. Bill can't read minds, only enter ones he's been invited into, but his full reaction speed is unknown. However, unicorn hair(Along with other alchemical elements) form a barrier he cannot break, along with the Weirdness Field of Gravity Falls itself. Something that Discord can see in his head, and again, he can manipulate space AND time. Bill can do the former, we don't know he can do the latter, but he never does, even when it would benefit him, so I'd say no.
Discord needs only general antimagical macguffins, but I don't recall any of those in Gravity Falls itself, unless you count the Weirdness Field. Plus it's unlikely Bill will know that fact, since he can't read Discord's thoughts(Should be noted I'm counting thought balloon reading as mind reading here, but he also reacts to things others do before they happen, but it seems like he has to focus on them to know their thoughts, as he was surprised by actions taken by others a few times).
We also never find out if the ray gun Ford had would have worked against Bill. We thing so, since it's, just know, Ford and the guy knew his stuff, but we don't know that for a fact. Still it implies even science(Magitek perhaps?) can hurt/kill Bill, along with a simple ritual to banish him back to the 2nd dimension.
I've put WAY too much thought into this, obviously, but I love discussing things like this.
All fax brother 🔥
Bonjour merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo 😊😊
Neither one can just destroy each other without a challenge because there both strong in their own ways and just because someone says your character loses does mean that they are wrong unless they don’t site evidence or doesn’t give a good reason for their outcome soooo they both sited evidence for one but not the other and seem to have spite against the other characters. I’m not saying I’m right but am just stating my observation
Well you got a greeeat point here
Finally someone mentioned this
@@MangoGnoix Thanks
Bill claps 💀
Death Battle approved
Bill won (SPOILER ALERT)
@@DoctorBambooStickImmortality left the chat, one snap finger and bill gonna lose
This is so funny when you realize that bill was defeated for 2 teenagers
@BarbarianSlayer48 The first defeat was humiliating because one of Bill's specialties was supposed to be playing with his mind and dreams, and he lost. I don't understand what you mean when you say Bill was tired in the second fight and that he was basically dipper, but it still counts, technically they had erased it and left it behind inside Stan's mind, the weirdmageddon was destroyed which is supposed to be Bill's domain. Uncles and kids >>>>> bill full power
@BarbarianSlayer48 Obviously, but it's fun to argue with someone who believes otherwise about Bill winning against the main character, and I wasn't talking about a 1v1 in my first comment. When Bill took dipper's body, he didn't know about the functioning of the human body, it was is ignorance the main reason for his defeat
"Bill claps" 💀💀💀
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Yeah bill claps bruv
@@marinareyes4912claps fluttershys cheeks💀
What I say bro@@iate_a_unsupervisedchild
Bill cipher is literally universal and much more creative and powerful than discord
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hm no cap, only fax
AH YES THE CAP STORE ALWAYS SELL TACO EVERY ONE KNOW THAT
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch no, fax
Bro is older than our universe
And it's funny because bill was creating chaos and Discord is literally chaos/discord. And he can't die like Bill because chaos can even be in another dimension.
You know who wins when his music plays.
Bill Will Just Turn Discord To A Stone ahahahah
It Will not work because for make discord turn in to Stone It needs the elements of Harmony soo that options Is out of the games
The only way to turn discord to stone is the energy of the exact opposite of what bill represents
No)
@@bruh-qm2uzthat's like saying I can't cut this paper into 2 pieces cuz I have a knife and not a paper cutter. Bill at his full is potencialy limitless, why couldn't He just replicate that element thing just cuz why not
I love watching a video with profs
Quick Objection on the 7-11 dimension part. Its only said hes par with 7-11 dimensions, non of it says hes above it, transcends it, or dimensionally.
He could possibly transcend it
He's able to adapt to higher dimensions.
Me discord solo es universal bajo y Bill Cihper solo es Multi-ciudad alto y en su FP universal medió
@@capybara7864 quién
@@capybara7864 no Bro la verdad solo el Bill Cihper fp o LN le ganan
nice bro!
Fax🔥🔥🔥🔥Negative Diff
I wouldn't say "Negative Diff" but yeah, Bill wins
tbh i think discords speed feats are better then just "easily moves through space"
Bill can trasports into other dimensions in matter of seconds or milliseconds
@@Sumamelaradio😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bill is powerful and knows everything, but doesn't know the combination code on Stan's safe.
He does he told a kid who failed to get code in
@@WazzJWhat kid? If you mean Gideon, he only got the code from going inside Stan's mind. So no, he does not know everything
@@Hickory958 pretty sure he knows more than anyone on this planet so
Bill is not knows everything,he is only Omniscience @@Hickory958
There is a whole death battle with this in mind just go watch that if your wondering and it's animated😅
if both weren't joking around and ignore some weak ass characters they be broken af
me: i wouldn't mess with a yellow mad dorito
It's true but Bill got defeated and discord is in a kids show so he can't use violence making him weaker than it his
If plot armour didn’t exist, bill solos that funky looking dragon guy
Discord also got defeated but then got turned into a good guy and they both are insanely powerful so it can go either way
@@KirbyStarAnimation that's what I mean he can't fight in a kids show so he became good
Gravity falls is also a kids show tho
@@wolfageddon but gravity falls is way more violent then my little pony
bill is a chaos god
Agreed.
Bill: Destroyed an entire dimension, something already putting him above a ton of things just by feats
flat minds with flat dreams
-Bill cipher
Bro said bill is only universal💀💀💀
I KNOW BRO
Is a being that can destroy the fabric of existence just universal to you?
Well if It was the fabric of the existence of Just the universe of Gravity falls yes if It was in general well no
Bill power from the prophercy is goes beyond axolotl too bad he got sent to teraprism before he can get out of the gravity falls magnet of weirdness
I really like how half of these don’t even debunk the original video, discord was able to match cosmos powerful enough to meagre infinite infinite universes and multiverses, which are all infinite in size, scale to zecora who traveled through space and time via just moving (irrelevant speed), and he’s also omnipresent as as he exists any where we’re the slightest amount of chaos is shown, and the more chaos spreads, the more powerful he becomes, so the more bill fights, the more powerful he makes discord. Discord wins, low difficulty
You know there is 1 Multiverse which includes the infinite universes, there's no such thing as Multiverse(s). With that in mind I already know You're not a valid source
ford says bill is older than our universe
Facts
@@icedemon8419 bill could just snap discord out of existence
@@icedemon8419 nah, Discord would end up like time baby, Bill is multiversal level
Emm you know discord Is immune to any physical damege or a lot of others damege and i can literally scale discord to boundless with his feats
@@bruh-qm2uz ? Discord is not immune to any physical damage there is no proof of that, also discord is not boundless
Em yes because literally he meanwhile the show or in the comics take a lot of dameges which at the end results useless against discord Like the sombra's Attacks or Starlight' blast and once i had Read in One comic Like he have take a entire multiversal barrege Like It was Just a tickles and tecnaly yes he Is boundless because he Is superior to the idw and that we can see It in the comics
What is the song called? It’s pretty good
Bill destroying the 2d Dimension is infinitely less impressive than destroying any thing in the third dimension.
BOI WHAT.
cope@@BillBanaag
Bill cipher is my favorite character in gravity Falls because he’s just so interesting
I’ve seen both shows, i lowkey think they would be friends
@@bowenhibberd1245 you know this? "," its very useful
Not in the very slightest
fun fact: bill loves wells
bill cipher an 4 dimensions who is almost capable like anti spiral vs little girl show big dragon💀
Emm One tecnaly discord Is a God/draconiques/ Reincarnation of the Chaos and disharmony and discord can literally One shoot anti spiral thank to his hax can go to the Omnipotence
@@icedemon8419 LETS COMPARE EVERY REALITY WARPER TO ANTI SPIRAL HE HAS NO RESECTINC FOR HAX
@@icedemon8419 CAUSE ANTI SPIRALE IS PHYSIQUE TREAT AND ALL REALITY WARPER ARE STRONGER THAN THAT
Bill: let's run this back
I really can't see a viable way Bill Cipher can kill A Discord
Honestly it's same for Discord killing Bill Cipher. Both have an ego but Bill Cipher's might be the one that costs him the battle
@@TVmantitan779 Yeah
Everyone gangsta until spongebob pulls a string and goku having drip
I was literally just debating with the person who made that video you showed why they are wrong 😂
learn grammar. i can hardly understand more than "debating" in that comment
@kongernen9373 it sounded clearer in my head lol (was trying to say I was debating with the person who created the video that was being mocked in this video as to why they are wrong) it's hard to word
Bill win the fight prove me wrong
@06diogoleitao41 I'm on bills side, I was debating with the person that made thr video that was made fun of in this video
@@Classified_rA9 Sorry I misunderstood your comment
Bill claps
here goes everything
STRENGTH: Bill wins as discord has shown nothing beyond superhuman while in his giant form he is able to effortlessly destroy large structures.
SPEED: Discord wins because although they both have teleportation, Discord's is more effective, demonstrated when he took Celestia's tail without her being able to react.
ENDURANCE: The two have proven to be nearly invulnerable to physical damage.
Regeneration - Also tied as the two proved to have equally fast regeneration.
POWERS AND ABILITIES: Both have extremely similar powers and abilities such as reality control, Telekinesis and Pyrokinesis, shapeshifting although in this section discord has proven to be superior since Bill can only change his form to a more complex one and he needs to possess the body to look like someone while discord does not, both have levitation among others, so I will take care of those that are different.
Bill cipher's unique abilities are to shoot lightning from his hands, grow in size, metal control (greatly reduced ability when a deal has to be made), reduced time control, can summon his minions, some matter control, can turn people into gold and has some gravity control
Discord's unique abilities are control of the stars, absolute control over matter, he can bring life to inanimate objects, he can steal anyone's feelings, he can create dimensional portals at will, he can break the fourth wall, he can turn anyone in stone, and can clone himself.
So at this point I will give it to discord since he has absolute control over matter which can be of great help not to mention that his attacks come from magic which Bill is weak.
WEAKNESSES: Bill Cipher's weaknesses are many such as weakness against magic, when his eye is gouged out he takes a long time to regenerate it, the pentagram of symbols and also his overconfidence Bill overestimates his abilities so it can be costly against someone of his own. same caliber.
While discord has shown no weakness other than friendship magic, something Bill obviously doesn't have.
IQ: This point is won by discord by being aware that he is a cartoon and although Bill is not stupid at all, he is usually very confident, which costs him his position.
IQ IN BATTLE: Bill wins since he has proven to be a better combatant while Discord has not shown anything in this section.
HAX: Win discord for the aforementioned.
POWER RANGE: Tie by not being able to know for sure the limit of both and the argument that Bill destroyed a dimension doesn't apply because it was the 2D dimension and if you know a bit about how it works you'll realize that a 2D dimension is infinitely below a normal.
WINNER: Discord mainly because of the advantage he has against Bill since Discord's abilities come from magic while Bill has a weakness Discord could only create a magical barrier while transforming Bill's attacks into balloons and counterattacking him with one of his techniques .
Discord High Diff.
nah i agree with this video you wasted your time.
@@garythegachaguy9882 nah he explained it better than the Video
@@SonZackSSJ2 Probably he got this information from Google
@@SonZackSSJ2 So I agreed with the video
@@AbsoluteEditor Not really, it were Google he wouldn’t be good at explaining that.
Death battle already explained how the battle should of went see the channel for your self
Isn't discord omnipresent since he is chaos? No shit he gets speed.
If you knew how to debate well, you would know that when it is a battle of multiversals, speed is immeasurable for what it is = and in this case the speed goes to Bill he is able to move in a place where there is no time space or matter is not limited
@@Gato_Jin_wooif you knew how to debate well then you would know that discord wins
@@typoman2880Hahahahahaha
And bill is a omnipotent + omniscient reality destroying demon
@@typoman2880discord winning?💀
I imagine like there want destroy dimesion together💀
More Like play bowling but the only problem Is the skitties are the dimensions
OWN THAT FREAK!!!!!!!
In terms of power we could say they are even but in terms of weakness Bill is at a huge disadvantage especially his eye
Bill claps:
Bill is strong but very dumb if he was tricked by kids
Nah its just ego hes real smart just...
yea
He wasn’t even tricked by kids he was distracted, the adults tricked him
Bro fanboy got mad
Why comment if your mad? 😂
I give this debate a 10/10 facts
Wake up to reality discord solos no concept of diff
@@bruh-qm2uz no
@@bruh-qm2uz In your dreams lol
This Is the reality discord wins no concept of diff
Fax
Bill vs hajun(tumor)
hajun claps🗿🍷
yes
Bill sola
Bills biggest weakness is his cockyness
The Waffle house had found its new host.
The Waffle House has found it's host
The waffle house has burnt down
@@RandomName12345 I killed the owner of the waffle house
DECOREN ABENDREGEN
Abeto el mundo lo vea su modo pero no se le olvide que hábil le ganaron unos güeyes de 12 año
Damn, I didn't know Bill and Discord were that busted 💀
Howwwwwwwwwww
Discord can scale even higher than what the clip showed
@@camerontaylor2184 damn bro 😭
@@thatoneanimefan477 basically in one comic a villan called bookworm who discord scales above ate idw comics ( I kid you not) meaning he’d scale above transformers godzilla and any other character in idw
In another comic it’s shown discord messed with the marvel 616 universe not a feet just saying there technically in the same multiverse
@@camerontaylor2184 YOU KNOW BILL CAN SCALE TO OUTVERSAL TWO
It would be more of a tie in my opinion because they are both universal.
Bill knows all even all dimensions
Bill cipher is a cosmic demon and discord is a draquneku of chaos, does nothing to a being between dimensions
DEATH BATTLLLLLLE!!!
Discord barley universal
Bill:Low complex mutliversal
Bro flip them
@@trappedcosmos nah bro Bill negs
both are multi ☠️
no one stands a chance against bill, he can literally erase you with his thought
Bro I thought it was the app 💀💀