Great to see a world champion still try to learn. This is called a "point check" and it was widely used by "Mr.Perfect", Ernesto Hoost in K1. That's why he has many leg-kick TKO's and check TKO's.
Nothing new under the sun: Many different (striking) style use this. I learned it 40 years ago in a Yoshukai karate class. Thanks for the tips Gabriel!
Awesome, the low kick in one of the hardest blow to deal with to me, my legs are thiner, I don't have massive legs and getting kick in the legs by guys with massive legs hurt as fuck. Also when the other guy have a very strong shin, checking the kick can be more painful than taking the kick. I will sure try this technic.
@@henninglarsen9501It doesn't require you to lift your leg nearly as high as a normal check. I can attest to this, as I usually spar in close to a boxing stance, and even though I do eat low kicks, a slight lift and turn out is enough to nullify the damage
I implement this tech in sparring very often. Can confirm it does discourage people from throwing low kicks. I find that the most I get low kicked are when I’m sparring new people because they don’t know I check like that. I believe I picked it up from Ernesto Hoost (spelled it phonetically idk if it’s right) a couple years back. Never had anyone check my kicks like that but I am not looking forward to finding out what it feels like. Glad you’re putting this out there for people to try out. Love your videos bro, good luck in your next fight!
@@Majintrunx3131 it's a good sign that I'm checking it so good , but I'm not doing that to hurt my sparring partners it's a light sparring and we are protected.but it can still hurts sometimes.😄
This is definetly something I have not seen before Gabriel, I will be sure to try this out with somebody in the gym who low kicks very hard and has very conditioned shins as well and if it works for me I will implement it to my arsenal of techniques Gabriel now got to go and watch your latest video! 😄
Someone on my instagram pointed out that Pereira's llittle fishtail check is actually nice for when you're holding a kicking shield against your thigh so your partner can drill low kicks. Gives a little pop of feedback and spares your leg, like doing a crossblock with your feet. I might try that tonight.
I am very tall and I trained with a lot of shorter fighters so sometimes when I would check a kick I just had to elevate my leg on the toe, without lifting my foot from the mat, but I would usually step towards the kick and angle the top of my shin forward.
i accidentally do this way of checking some times. it works really but it feels kinda weird to check a low kick like that. love the video Gabriel and your fighting style and knowledge in this sport. wish to be one of the greats out there like Gabriel Varga.
Always grateful to your time and interest in teaching us about kickboxing. How do you think you can deal with a low kick without hurting your partner in sparring?
Good thing you're feeling better, champ! :-) For clarification, when you say checking with the knee, what part exactly is this referring to? There's a super hard and strong piece of bone righter under the knee joint itself, kind of the top end of the shin that I've been told by a pro Muay Thai fighter to use for checking, and it kind of sounds like that might be it. Above that is the patella, and it seems like a super bad idea to check with anywhere close to that …
One time in our regular Sparring Day, i had a partner who hasn't bought a decent pair of shin guards. He threw some hard Lowkicks and I did the exact same block with my knee (Tbh i was just too slow to do the regular thai block). He instantly fall to the ground, screaming out in pain. As I removed the shin guard is saw that it fucked up his shin badly and i felt so terrible. All in all be careful with this in regular sparring!
I accidentally checked a partner's kick with my knee in karate practice one day, walked out no issues that night. Next day my sensei asks me if my knee is okay, I say it's a lil sore (it always is) but fine otherwise. She says my partner broke her foot when she kicked my knee. Shin pads n all. Kneecap is fukin hard.
I learned a similar technique to this from sylvies blog as a cross side check. Practiced it a bunch and accidentally reflexively did it to my partner in sparring. Through his shin guard he was so banged up he couldn't kick anymore. I felt like such a douchebag. (Dude was way more skilled/experienced than me, bigger than me, and absolutely battering me in the moment though)
I've checked like this by accident when I was just learning and didn't check properly all the time and hurt my training partner. But we had shin pads and were not going hard.
Aye Gabriel let’s get a jose Aldo vs Martinez prediction and breakdown this topic will definitely play a factor and I’d like to hear your perspective on it
Been checking kicks similarly, think I've blocked maybe 80-90% of leg kicks thrown at me the past two weeks. Someone kicked hard enough that it hurt my knee, but have to imagine it hurt them worse 😅
If he hits your shin/knee with a ball of the foot snapkick or the inside edge of his foot, with a stop-kick, it's going to hurt you badly and it wont hurt him at ALL (if he's properly trained) I"ve watched well over 100 bouts and i"ve yet to see anyone properly using kicks., if you actively shell-up with your forearms, keep moving your head and your feet, while throwing such kicks (alternating the leg used) you'll be VERY hard to hurt and you'll be causing quite-severe damage to his legs. Once you've badly hurt at least one of his legs, you can easily dance around him and side snap-kick whichever of his legs is still functional. Then he'll be down on the ground and you can finish him off in a few seconds (if need-be).
Damn dude, i have 12 amateur fights and you opened my eyes ! How many fights u got ? Imagine i watch kiclboxing since i was 17 (now 33) and i have never tought abt it .. 😂
I'm confused, you are on about snap kicking/front kicking someone's shin/knee? Do you mean when the leg is straight so when you kick it almost hyper extends? I can imagine if it's got a bend to it kicking the knee with the ball of the foot wouldn't do much damage and just cause you more damage.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972worrying though, he hit the knee patella. First thing I thought of when Gabriel showed the tech ique then. I know Ernesto hoost did this technique a lot, and it does work I would just be scared of getting a hard low kick in the kneecap.
The bigger problem for me is being able to tell if it's gonna be a low/mid/high kick coming in so I try to use the same check/shell for low and mid kicks. Would be great to be able to differentiate and not get blasted by a mid kick when trying this to check a low kick.
lower your elbow and rest it on the side of your leg, it creates a frame that you can use to block mid kicks, you'll get hit by front kicks if they fake low and go front, but if your issue is roundhouses you can do that.
I am not sure and correct me if I am wrong but if you block round house kicks (with shin part not with lace part of the leg)on someone knee....then it won't damage the knee in long run???
last year i kicked someone in sparring and they checked it their knee, we were both wearing shin guards but my shin hit his knee and it was excruciating my shin hurt for hours after and there was a dent and I still have it but the dent isn't to big and doesn't hurt when I kick also my shin guards didn't have very good padding
Hey Gabriel. I asked my coach about this technique and he said he doesn't like to use it because it can hurt you as well. Is this true? (I'm brand new 2 weeks into muay thai)
Yes, and no. It does increase the *possibility* of the patella being broken. I would wager that for most people, though, the structure of the patella, lined up with the femur, buttressed by the surrounding connective tissue and muscle, would be much stronger structurally than the tibia! So, any kick that I can imagine, which would damage the kneecap in that position, would likely do worse damage to a shin block! As far as the joint goes, I don't see any reason the knee and foot being more proximal to a fighter would be more dangerous than the more distal position that is typically taught... I'm still learning, though, so don't take my word as gospel!
Is it safe for u to check with ur knee tho cuz in bellator michael page kicked someones kneecap and u see it cave in and stopped him with that. Why is it that the guys knee got messed up from that kick
That is mostly luck, catching someone just right, probably just below the patella. Also it is a matter of conditioning. Michael Page's shin was more conditioned that that guys knee. But mostly it is just luck, 99.9% of the time you are going hit on the patella and it's gonna be a bad day for you.
Guys don't do this at your sparring without warning, very easily the guys shin will brake an put his life and future in danger for no reason than your ego
The problem is, WHY would you do this? Why would I want to intentionally break someone's shin? I've had some VERRRYY bad injuries leg injuries and I wouldn't wish them on someone in my Taekwondo classes or any other martial art class. Heck, this, In my mind, somewhat, puts the entirety of low-kicks and their efficacy into question. I couldn't do this to anyone in a class or fight sport. It would have to be very dangerous street assault, whereat I would apply this technique, had I spent a lot of time training it.
That is a basterd move , i got a guy in my gym who always block late so you lowkick his knee , ever had a ege on your shin... Could not kick with thatbleg for weeks
@tonyfergusonisthetypeofguy142 sparring sessions aren't fights and there are lots of differences between them, primarily to keep the participants safe so they can spar with a lot of volume. If we should always spar how we fight, well, then we should just always fight and I think people intuitively understand that isn't the best way to train/progress.
@tonyfergusonisthetypeofguy142 I guess my issue is, what intensity for that is both so light that it doesn't risk injuring your partner, but you also get a benefit? Sparring is meant to have a certain minimum intensity, hence the protective equipment and I'm not sure that goldilocks intensity exists for repeatedly checking kicks with your knee.
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Great to see a world champion still try to learn.
This is called a "point check" and it was widely used by "Mr.Perfect", Ernesto Hoost in K1. That's why he has many leg-kick TKO's and check TKO's.
Alex pereira also uses it regularly
All these comments beat me!
I used to train with Rick Roufus back in 2004 or so. He used to call it dropping the knee or something like that.
Ernesto Hoost special, he explained this in all of his seminars
This is super similar to Ernesto Hoost style of checking kicks.
My shin got fractured after someone checked like this in sparring. Couldnt kick with my leg for about 4 weeks
Reason why my coach always says we shouldn’t check kicks like this during sparring. A gym is a place where people learn together, it’s not the ring
Well said
Luckily i was a lefty, but it sucked not being able to throw right lowkicks and the pain in my legs sometimes when standing or trying to go to sleep
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@@bidibum You won't break your leg by checks if you don't throw with the intension to damage, so if it happens definetely's not the checker's fault...
Nothing new under the sun: Many different (striking) style use this. I learned it 40 years ago in a Yoshukai karate class. Thanks for the tips Gabriel!
I've been doing it like this forever. Somebody showed me once years ago and I went, hm, makes sense. Tried it and never went back.
Limb destruction from kali. Paul vunak has been teaching this for years. Nasty techniques
So glad to follow your channel for almost 4 years
Awesome, the low kick in one of the hardest blow to deal with to me, my legs are thiner, I don't have massive legs and getting kick in the legs by guys with massive legs hurt as fuck. Also when the other guy have a very strong shin, checking the kick can be more painful than taking the kick. I will sure try this technic.
I feel like this would be a much better way to check kicks for someone with a wider stance too
Why do you feel so?
@@henninglarsen9501It doesn't require you to lift your leg nearly as high as a normal check. I can attest to this, as I usually spar in close to a boxing stance, and even though I do eat low kicks, a slight lift and turn out is enough to nullify the damage
Ye even with a wider stance its a small adjustment. U can keep the wide stance then for better and faster movement
I implement this tech in sparring very often. Can confirm it does discourage people from throwing low kicks. I find that the most I get low kicked are when I’m sparring new people because they don’t know I check like that. I believe I picked it up from Ernesto Hoost (spelled it phonetically idk if it’s right) a couple years back. Never had anyone check my kicks like that but I am not looking forward to finding out what it feels like. Glad you’re putting this out there for people to try out. Love your videos bro, good luck in your next fight!
Stfu u don't spar
Missed you but always glad to see you
I was totally doing that and seeing my sparring partners fall for that. No one wants to throw a low kick with me 😄
Well , that is not a good sign
@@Majintrunx3131 it's a good sign that I'm checking it so good , but I'm not doing that to hurt my sparring partners it's a light sparring and we are protected.but it can still hurts sometimes.😄
Alex pereira and ernesto hoost do this check regularly
Pereira made Izzy roll in pain after checking his kick lol
@@pandaBoxz ernesto has multiple checked kick tkos
This is definetly something I have not seen before Gabriel, I will be sure to try this out with somebody in the gym who low kicks very hard and has very conditioned shins as well and if it works for me I will implement it to my arsenal of techniques Gabriel now got to go and watch your latest video! 😄
Someone on my instagram pointed out that Pereira's llittle fishtail check is actually nice for when you're holding a kicking shield against your thigh so your partner can drill low kicks. Gives a little pop of feedback and spares your leg, like doing a crossblock with your feet. I might try that tonight.
This is actually a muay boran technique. Learned this way of checking last week at a muay boran class in thailand
Ernesto hoost, master of low kicking and knee checking
I am very tall and I trained with a lot of shorter fighters so sometimes when I would check a kick I just had to elevate my leg on the toe, without lifting my foot from the mat, but I would usually step towards the kick and angle the top of my shin forward.
i accidentally do this way of checking some times. it works really but it feels kinda weird to check a low kick like that. love the video Gabriel and your fighting style and knowledge in this sport. wish to be one of the greats out there like Gabriel Varga.
I love Rodtang and Haggerty both. Always banger fights. And Pereira is scary af. But I can tell hes actually a nice guy lol.
Take the days when you need them, you work hard. We all see it.
Always grateful to your time and interest in teaching us about kickboxing. How do you think you can deal with a low kick without hurting your partner in sparring?
Thanks I applied this now my gandma is rolling onthe floor with a broken shinbone ...
It's incredible how you know how to create such beautiful stories that make us dream and believe in ourselves. Thank you very much! 📖
Good thing you're feeling better, champ! :-)
For clarification, when you say checking with the knee, what part exactly is this referring to? There's a super hard and strong piece of bone righter under the knee joint itself, kind of the top end of the shin that I've been told by a pro Muay Thai fighter to use for checking, and it kind of sounds like that might be it. Above that is the patella, and it seems like a super bad idea to check with anywhere close to that …
Ernesto Hoost's (specifically his gym's) way of cutting a kick, bonus points for firing back immediately.
Edit: Grammar
Great advice. Thank you Mr. Varga!!!
Yea that’s brutal, knee checks is king 👑
One time in our regular Sparring Day, i had a partner who hasn't bought a decent pair of shin guards. He threw some hard Lowkicks and I did the exact same block with my knee (Tbh i was just too slow to do the regular thai block). He instantly fall to the ground, screaming out in pain. As I removed the shin guard is saw that it fucked up his shin badly and i felt so terrible.
All in all be careful with this in regular sparring!
One of my favorite ways to check 👌
I accidentally checked a partner's kick with my knee in karate practice one day, walked out no issues that night. Next day my sensei asks me if my knee is okay, I say it's a lil sore (it always is) but fine otherwise. She says my partner broke her foot when she kicked my knee. Shin pads n all. Kneecap is fukin hard.
Bruh I watch your video everyday and practice that. Improved so much.
I learned a similar technique to this from sylvies blog as a cross side check. Practiced it a bunch and accidentally reflexively did it to my partner in sparring. Through his shin guard he was so banged up he couldn't kick anymore. I felt like such a douchebag. (Dude was way more skilled/experienced than me, bigger than me, and absolutely battering me in the moment though)
Ironically I learned this technique on Lee Donghee yt channel. He advised caution training with friends on the jeonggangwi maki class
Thanks for these amazing videos. Please keep it up!
Haggerty is a amazing fighter. His elbows and and staright kicks are incredible
Sigh... Fine I'll subscribe you won me over with this one 💪
I've checked like this by accident when I was just learning and didn't check properly all the time and hurt my training partner. But we had shin pads and were not going hard.
I've tried this from a sideways stance and it's doable just need a small step back, but you're still in hands range
Aye Gabriel let’s get a jose Aldo vs Martinez prediction and breakdown this topic will definitely play a factor and I’d like to hear your perspective on it
Been checking kicks similarly, think I've blocked maybe 80-90% of leg kicks thrown at me the past two weeks. Someone kicked hard enough that it hurt my knee, but have to imagine it hurt them worse 😅
Could end up Looking
Like that guy who fought mvp!
If he hits your shin/knee with a ball of the foot snapkick or the inside edge of his foot, with a stop-kick, it's going to hurt you badly and it wont hurt him at ALL (if he's properly trained) I"ve watched well over 100 bouts and i"ve yet to see anyone properly using kicks., if you actively shell-up with your forearms, keep moving your head and your feet, while throwing such kicks (alternating the leg used) you'll be VERY hard to hurt and you'll be causing quite-severe damage to his legs. Once you've badly hurt at least one of his legs, you can easily dance around him and side snap-kick whichever of his legs is still functional. Then he'll be down on the ground and you can finish him off in a few seconds (if need-be).
Damn dude, i have 12 amateur fights and you opened my eyes ! How many fights u got ? Imagine i watch kiclboxing since i was 17 (now 33) and i have never tought abt it
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I'm confused, you are on about snap kicking/front kicking someone's shin/knee? Do you mean when the leg is straight so when you kick it almost hyper extends? I can imagine if it's got a bend to it kicking the knee with the ball of the foot wouldn't do much damage and just cause you more damage.
Everyone watch one of Venom Page fight.
He broke the opponents knee by kicking it with the shin.
He must have caught it just right, that is luck.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972worrying though, he hit the knee patella. First thing I thought of when Gabriel showed the tech ique then. I know Ernesto hoost did this technique a lot, and it does work I would just be scared of getting a hard low kick in the kneecap.
Beautiful
I used to do this in karate. If you make somebody not want to kick you anymore, you take away some of their weapons.
Imagine teaching a boxer this
The bigger problem for me is being able to tell if it's gonna be a low/mid/high kick coming in so I try to use the same check/shell for low and mid kicks. Would be great to be able to differentiate and not get blasted by a mid kick when trying this to check a low kick.
lower your elbow and rest it on the side of your leg, it creates a frame that you can use to block mid kicks, you'll get hit by front kicks if they fake low and go front, but if your issue is roundhouses you can do that.
@@cahallo5964 He's doing that.
The check discussed in the video has you checking lower thus making your opponent land on your knee
This happened to me a bit over 3 months ago. I've still got a visible egg on my shin😅
ive been trialing a no lift pivoting check and alex,s heel raise check for calf kicks but may be stupidity
I like... 😂 brutal and effective.
I think I’ve seen Jose Aldo use this before
Remember when Anderson silver broke his leg on that check kick
it works
Having my leg turned to Gumby is my biggest nightmare.
Gabe u sound sick man.. take time off man.. get well soon man
nice
Probably good for high levels but don't want me knee get damaged 😮
I am not sure and correct me if I am wrong but if you block round house kicks (with shin part not with lace part of the leg)on someone knee....then it won't damage the knee in long run???
Yeah, this is what Chris Weidman's striking coach calls 'knee-struction."
Anderson Silva faced it.
Feel better Gabriel!
Equivalent of checking a body kick with the elbow… 😈
last year i kicked someone in sparring and they checked it their knee, we were both wearing shin guards but my shin hit his knee and it was excruciating my shin hurt for hours after and there was a dent and I still have it but the dent isn't to big and doesn't hurt when I kick
also my shin guards didn't have very good padding
Hey Gabriel. I asked my coach about this technique and he said he doesn't like to use it because it can hurt you as well. Is this true? (I'm brand new 2 weeks into muay thai)
Someone kicked hard and he stumbled abit when i checked him
Shit, I'm gonna try this check
I've been preaching his forever. It's what Chris Weidman did to Anderson Silva.
And then happened to Weidman.
Won’t this expose your knee cap to possibly being broken? Or the entire knee joint
Yes, and no. It does increase the *possibility* of the patella being broken.
I would wager that for most people, though, the structure of the patella, lined up with the femur, buttressed by the surrounding connective tissue and muscle, would be much stronger structurally than the tibia!
So, any kick that I can imagine, which would damage the kneecap in that position, would likely do worse damage to a shin block!
As far as the joint goes, I don't see any reason the knee and foot being more proximal to a fighter would be more dangerous than the more distal position that is typically taught... I'm still learning, though, so don't take my word as gospel!
@@TreyYork1 Thanks for the reply. Makes sense to me
Does that hurt your knee?
Doesn't this kill your knees?
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You can wear it to cut weight as sauna suits help increase body temperature by restricting air flow inside the suit which will get you sweating a lot
perfect 😏😏
Isn't that what pereira and jose aldo do?
Is it safe for u to check with ur knee tho cuz in bellator michael page kicked someones kneecap and u see it cave in and stopped him with that. Why is it that the guys knee got messed up from that kick
Freak injury pretty much mvp just has really dense bones
That is mostly luck, catching someone just right, probably just below the patella. Also it is a matter of conditioning. Michael Page's shin was more conditioned that that guys knee. But mostly it is just luck, 99.9% of the time you are going hit on the patella and it's gonna be a bad day for you.
MGK simpsons version
Guys don't do this at your sparring without warning, very easily the guys shin will brake an put his life and future in danger for no reason than your ego
The problem is, WHY would you do this? Why would I want to intentionally break someone's shin? I've had some VERRRYY bad injuries leg injuries and I wouldn't wish them on someone in my Taekwondo classes or any other martial art class. Heck, this, In my mind, somewhat, puts the entirety of low-kicks and their efficacy into question. I couldn't do this to anyone in a class or fight sport. It would have to be very dangerous street assault, whereat I would apply this technique, had I spent a lot of time training it.
super early
That is a basterd move , i got a guy in my gym who always block late so you lowkick his knee , ever had a ege on your shin... Could not kick with thatbleg for weeks
It’s fair game
A block like this made me unable to spar for 4 weeks, dont do this to your mates
I feel like this poses an unnecessary risk of injury to your partner and is thus a dick move in sparring.
Depends. Shouldnt u practice what u will use in a fight. And shin pads and light contact would keep u safe no?
@tonyfergusonisthetypeofguy142 sparring sessions aren't fights and there are lots of differences between them, primarily to keep the participants safe so they can spar with a lot of volume. If we should always spar how we fight, well, then we should just always fight and I think people intuitively understand that isn't the best way to train/progress.
@@AZTinstar ye i just meant lighter contact is all. How would we train something like this way of checking if we dont use it in sparring
@tonyfergusonisthetypeofguy142 I guess my issue is, what intensity for that is both so light that it doesn't risk injuring your partner, but you also get a benefit? Sparring is meant to have a certain minimum intensity, hence the protective equipment and I'm not sure that goldilocks intensity exists for repeatedly checking kicks with your knee.
@@AZTinstar yeah maybe. I havent tried the knee check yet so i dont know how much it hurts even with sparring
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