Solid state batteries are finally about to be used in EV's this year
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Make your mind up, first solid state batteries will never work, and now they'll be in cars next year?
Toyota's don't work.
Sam makes videos about any EV related article. It doesn't have to be true or even real. Speculation is all that is needed, no reality required.
@@johannel8104do you think Sam gets paid by BYD?
Wouldn’t work for BYD he is talking about GCA
I always find him a bit confused. There's a nice video by German engineers explaining Solid State batteries somewhere on RUclips. I'd go watch it
Solid-state batteries are the inevitable future of EV batteries for the simple fact that the co-inventor of the lithium-ion battery, John Goodenough, said they were for their extremely rapid charge time, higher capacity, virtually no capacity lost to extremely cold, or hot temps, and minimal BMS. The only hurdles are: cycle life and costs, which are both rapidly improving, but either way, they are the future for the reasons li-on battery inventors said. Great news in the this vid!
The days of "this scientist has to be correct because he did something great" are over.
I would trust the results of a team of extremely talented people working with bleeding edge tool and virtually unlimited money over a Nobel Prize winner.
'virtually no capacity lost to extremely cold' i suggest you revisit that research again
'None of these freeze or become sluggish in cold winters, meaning solid-state batteries continue to perform well in icy weather. But unfortunately this does not mean that these revolutionary batteries are completely immune from winter cold. This is because solid batteries contain more than just electrolytes.
They also have temperature-sensitive electrodes. And moreover, their solid electrolytes become fragile, and that needs more work to resolve too.
Chemical reactions typically slow down with a drop in temperature. Solid battery electrodes follow this pattern. Ions shuttle more slowly between them, and their level of performance suffers.
A solid electrolyte may not freeze, but it does become more brittle as temperature falls. This can compromise the reliability of the battery, which might eventually fail. It goes almost without saying that battery makers are working hard to resolve these challenges.'
Just 3 hours ago Sam posted a video about CATL claiming Solid State batteries wouldn't work. Think of this, if you have a 500 mile range and the battery is good for 1,000 cycles you've got a half a million mile useful life.
He is a paid agent for those people across the Pacific .
Every LFP Tesla already has a 1 million mile life.
The nickel versions are at 350k-500k now depending on the model.
@@mikewallace8087And you know this how?
Me too. Mr. Viking. Or may I call you Electric? Right, Electric. We all see your videos in sequence. You JUST SAID solid state batteries are not going to work. Or at the very least you cited the BYD President and called him a credible authority on the subject. C'mon, Electric- pull it together. Deal or no deal?
He turned down the Japanese solid batteries, but did not mention the Chinese ones.
It's kinda funny that Sam posts the same day a video with CATL claims that solid-state batteries are not safe and will not be used in EVs anytime soon and also this =] 👍
Time will tell - cost per kWh of stored energy and total cost of ownership (number of cycles, cost of replacement) might help to select proper batteries for low cost BEV and BEV super-cars. Anyway the competition and advancements in EV batteries area are more than welcome.
Bro has instant memory loss😂
Is your video just prior to this one all about how Solid State just aren’t realistic anytime soon? I’m confused
Electric Viking lives in a fantasy world
He just lives in the world of the car manufacturers.
it is ENTIRELY possible that their world is fantasy.
However, when Jules Verne mentioned the Nautilus in his book, submarines were science fiction.
Now they're very real, and armed to the teeth!
So for quite some time solid state batteries have been more the stuff of science fiction.
We may have entered a time when they, like FSD, are flirting with actual reality.
Transportation may be about to take a radical jump into the future... or not.
According to you 3 hours ago , CATL said solid state battery is just NOISE !
Sam just take every news he finds on the internet without fact checking. Remember him covering the "real" perptual motion machine?
CATL is not Sam, he's only reporting. People, man.
@ev.whykingbut it's working, he's making money heh
Just saw the GAC TECH DAY 2024, SSB with energy density of 400Wh/kg, after 150 charging cycles, the battery can maintain more than 90% of its original capacity. SemiSSBs and SSBs sucks with cycles. The best batteries so far are:
1.CATL Shenxing
2.Geely Golden Battery
This guy is the king of producing ‘may be, could be, might, possibly and should’ videos.
And all for Ad revenue.
Watch and listen to him with caution. ⚠️
make sure to thumbs down and dont watch the videos to the end.
ikr, he posted "finally" followed by "about to", what a deceptive snake oil saleman
Sam seems to react just slighly different depending on who makes the claim: Toyota: ooh, impossible, garbage, lies!!! Aeon: ooh man, fabulous, will be in market next year! 😂
To be fair, the difference is Toyota said themself theirs is years and years away (while being actively anti-EV/making shit excuses for their lack of progress) while other companies actually show commitment and progress. So when Toyota says something like that, it's basically impossible to take them seriously till they actually do something or show real change.
Toyota has a very long history of blatantly lying about their batteries technology plans/progress though.
Tesla amazing, BYD scary 😂
@ev.whyking Sam likes BYD aswell
@ev.whyking Sam has admitted to owning BYD stock & and considering owning a vehicle. He is the in-between man. It's big auto you should be pissy at. They constantly hype. They know EV are the future. They simply make more money selling easier to design to fail ICE.
Absolutely fabulous NEWS ! !
More PR and hype. When the cars/batteries go on sale with specific prices and delivery dates, they are real. Until then they are vaporware.
And even then they are not real yet. They only become real after cars are made AND used for at least 10 years and at least 200,000 kms, with no ANY kind of issues. Only then they are real.
If BYD CATL and Tesla are not using it, then it isn't for the market.
you JUST made a video a few hours ago with the boss of CATL saying that there wont be any solid state batteries. I'm kind of let down by you!
Didn't you tell us 3 hours ago that solid state batteries don't work?
So what is it? Make up your mind.
its called content creation
Views.
Just saw the GAC TECH DAY 2024, SSB with energy density of 400Wh/kg, after 150 charging cycles, the battery can maintain more than 90% of its original capacity. SemiSSBs and SSBs sucks with cycles. The best batteries so far are:
1.CATL Shenxing
2.Geely Golden Battery
is he even human or just an AI churning out videos that make no sense.
@@dawsap1 thats all that matters. make another video, who cares what is said in it.
Don't tell me . . . . "It's going to be a game changer " and "The tipping point"
I would pay the premium for solid-state, I think it would change the game in regards to perception and adoption being able to drop charge speeds down.
Obviously, there is more than one reality present at this time. We live in amazing times.
L8ke a quark. Can be in two places at one time. Amazing lol
Planet Vaporware...
I 45 that.
Solid state batteries for motor vehicle use have been a technology that is coming coming coming, almost here, almost here, about to arrive! However, it has so far never been released in a publicly available vehicle that can also be independently tested. No doubt there will be a Version 2.0 motor vehicle battery tech at some stage, however, many many companies have made many many promises on the impending release of solid state batteries that so far have never actually make it into a production vehicle.
Your statement is 100 % factually correct 👍
Amprius is the king. 500+ W/Kg. Factory is being built in Colorado. That’s the future.
Range and fast charging is what it's all about. Paying more for that is a no-brainer.
Solid state vs semi solid state. which will win. hybrid cars are definitely a looser. hybrid digital analog computers are highly energy efficient, and is a giant improvement just on the horizon. quality for a price is the whole game Sam Evans.
No Human Needed on my First Tesla FSD V12.3.4 Drive!
Dirty Tesla
Glad I held off from buying an EV. I hope current EV batteries can be retrofitted with these improved batteries.
Likewise!!
always ,"Just 12 months away". come get to it!
Any discussion of "solid state" is meaningless if it doesn't include the chemistry. Solid state just means without a liquid electrolyte. What matters is the chemistry underlying any battery tech.
The big question around solid state batteries is: . . . . longevity. That is not answered.
Today, the max is around 800 charging cycles, where NMC batteries already have up to 2.500 cycles and LFP batteries up to 10.000 charging cycles.
It is not the question "would you buy SS batteries with a range of 1.000km", . . . . but will you have to buy new ones every 2 years.
800 cycles 400 miles range=good for 320,000 miles right? Even at 300 miles range that's 240,000 miles for total lifecycle.
We might see these in prototypes or small volume cars, but these are aircraft batteries. Aircraft manufacturers will bid up the price on what will be a low-volume and high performance product no matter what they actually cost to make. They make electric flight possible, while only making electric cars somewhat better. Maybe in a Rimac or other small volume hypercar?
I will believe it when I see it, not before... There was way too much noise by way too much people for too long on that subject with no results to show that I am not optimistic about any solid state claims.
Alot of testing required in this tech...
It makes sense that new technologies start out in expensive, luxury products and then, though continuous improvement and economies of scale, get targeted to medium and then low-cost applications.
I want solid state batteries now for my EV conversion project. I’m struggling to find the right batteries and these would be ideal.
What are you converting? I'm sitting on a 1966 Mustang 2+2 I'd love to convert.
What are you converting? I'm sitting on a 1966 Mustang 2+2 I'd love to convert.
@@ohger1 not exactly a conversation. It’s a ground up build of an EV Lamborghini Countach replica. I think your Mustang would be a perfect project.
There is no contradiction. It is all about the price and scalability. They may be amazing for a niche market.
I have a 2014 model s would I be able to able to upgrade my battery pack to solid state ??
Same as with the IM L6 where SAIC at first claimed that it was a solid state battery...but then turned out to be a semi...
New game changer!
Sounds bloody great
IM motor use Semi solid state battery.....so do Nio .
Remember what CATL said about true solid state battery.
TALENT seems like they have à real product at 700w/kg ....but no infos on the cycle, witch is crucial in a Ev battery.
Once Sam Changed his clothes from always white to other colors means ether solid state batteries already in mass production or EV at least 50% market penetration worldwide
I'll believe it when I see it.
And only yesterday the GM of CATL said they had no future
Click bait. Solid State has been just a year away for 20 years. I don’t believe it until I see it.
New solid-state battery's (gravimetric) Energy Density = 350 kW-HOURS/kg. (KiloWatt-HOURS per kilogram.)
Semi-solid state is one the market already.
Solid state batteries are definitely going into cars or they’ll never work? I’m confused now 😅
Thanks for posting your videos as these videos are a window in the coming electrical revolution. I am waiting to purchase an ev which has a range of 600 to 700 kilometers and has a battery which I will not be required to change for the life of the vehicle 400,000 to 500,000 km. I watched your video about the tesla vehicle which has a very long battery life. I'll keep waiting maybe these features will be common among more ev's in the near future. thanks for posting
100kWh battery should be a standard capacity for any medium car , and 150kWh for any SUV .
What happened with the CATL(sry edited) genius that 5 hours ago said that solid state wont work coz of the degradation and many other reasons. This channel also is a bit funny, same day "SSB Wont work" and now "SSB coming this year". like wtf.
You need to know the difference between solid state and semi-solid batteries. Semi-solid is now available while solid state is still a work in progress. Solid has 2x energy density of semi while semi has about 30-40% more energy dense then the best NMC lithium batteries today.
@@larryc1616 or me there is no "semisolid", either its solid or its not...
LFP are more reliable. I would buy an electric car with LFP batteries. No worries about replacing the battery for 10 years@@larryc1616
As you stated yourself, much depends on the life expectancy of those solid state batteries. If they last as long as LiFePO4’s, sure.
But if they need to be replaced after 100km? Hell no.
And hence why GAC Aion has already expressed it's main concern which is longevity, which is about half of LFP and NMC.
And they've been working on it since November on how to further improve on longevity, even after it was improved by 50% (november) but still not good enough.
They are however releasing more info during the Beijing Auto Show next week.
Not until ive seen them proven in the real world for a couple of years
I think most of the problems he talked about earlier are still the real issue. The vast majority of people want to buy something where the batteries last 15 years. So unless you have a design where you can swap out these batteries easily I think the average consumer will balk at the prices. The real big market for solid state will be some type of aircraft where the weight to power ratio really matters. You want your aero car to fly on the weekends as this will be where it will shines. Really experimental at this stage and dangerous for car collisions.
This is exactly what I have been waiting for. 500 to 600 miles of range means we would only have to charge twice a month, we can reliable range in our winters and do regular long range trips without anxiety.
Yes, I know you hard core people don't suffer from range anxiety, but the rest of us do so stuff it.
We aren't "hard core", we're EV owers. Range anxiety pretty much disappears once you own one. Now, I'm talking about people like me who have at-home charging ports. If you don't have that and have to rely on public chargers, then you have a point right now.
@user-uk8tl3xy9e The odds of an EV battery catching fire are so remote it's not an issue - despite what the anti-EV faction is saying, and the new LFP batteries even less so than the original lithium batteries.
@user-uk8tl3xy9e If you research this topic you will find that BE autos have less fires than ICE by % of vehicles.E autos have incredible BMS/thermal control. Scooters and small stuff is the wild west, alot of hot rodding there.
The real question is can you put your toe in the water without an absolute guarantee that your range is going to be greater than what you would do in an internal combustion vehicle. Because 600 Mi of range is impossible in an internal combustion vehicle unless you put a sail on it and push it downhill. It doesn't take some kind of hardcore survivalist attitude to make an electric vehicle work. We do just great with our modest 285 MI range on our 6 year old cars. That includes long road trips up and down the east coast and out west.
@user-uk8tl3xy9e I was surprised to find out that ICE cars have more fires than Ecars based on % of vehicles. E car battery packs have great BMS and spacecraft worthy thermal management. E battery fires are in the scooters and bikes that people fiddle with ,wrong chargers,etc.
Love the bleeding edge of technology, but being more of a value oriented customer will wait for at the release of its next generation for its price to fall to a better buying point.
I believe just semi-solid state. It’s like comparable to mild hybrid. It’s not the real solid-state batteries. It’s not a game changer.
Solid? Or semi solid? Check your last video???
At 4:10 ish you state the a 100kWh battery now will give 600 mil range?!?! Doesn’t make sense unless the inverter and motors are extremely efficient
Kind of like listening to "Chariots of the Gods."
I believe it when I see it
Keeping corolla
Sam will hate you for it 😂
@@paulb1951 ice ice baby
if it had a good warranty... like my Kia Soul, free replacement at 55Kmi. Sure, I'm game.
The Osborne Effect states that prematurely discussing future, unavailable products damages sales of existing products. The name comes from the planned replacement of the Osborne 1, an early personal computer first sold by the Osborne Computer Corporation in 1981. Based on what I am hearing here, I think I will wait before buying that electric car.
i need this battery for my Kalima...Scooter
We will see what comes out and how good they are in a few years from now, maybe???
Closer to the mandate.
As of 2024, automotive technology is in limbo. One foot is in the world of the ICE. The other foot is in the world of EVs. The ICE is a mature technology. The EV is nascent technology but is the shot heard around the world. EVs are the future. I wouldn't rule out advancements in the ICE, however. Necessity is the mother of invention. For too long, legacy automakers sat on their laurels, farming out parts and production to the third world while the corporate suits summered on their yachts in the Mediterranean. Legacy automakers now have a match lit under their lazy asses. Innovate or die.
Car companies need to drive down the cost of their EV cars by at least 20% and increase the range by at least that much.
As always, will believe it when I see it. There's a reason why Toyota have been struggling with this - it's difficult. So I take it with a pinch of salt that someone has beaten them to it. They may put solid states in cars relatively soon, doesn't mean they're any good.
What I don't understand is why don't solid state batteries marketed to more consumer facing applications like smartphones and laptops? These devices are more expensive when normalized to battery capacity and they are not expected to last as long as cars.
I'm not even sure what a SS battery is. I suppose no liquid electrolyte. But thats a broad definition.
My father worked for a major electronics company. In the late sixties solid state semiconductors were marketed as ending the need for repairs. But, its mostly easier to repair the antique electronic equipment than obsolete solid state equipment. Many 1990s cars have failed micro engine controllers, but its usually simple electrolytic capacitors that go bad - the electrolyte leaks.
I foresee SS batteries, but will they be economically recyclable?
I'm looking for the dirt battery. A wealthy, sustainably nation has healthy soil. Life is in the soil.
I make dirt, dirt & dirtier dirt batteries. They are piezoelectric & charge themselves. Not much tho. It's just a hobby. Quartz sand. Clay. Powdered activated charcoal. The clay can be substituted for anything that catylizes. Portland..gypsum..resin.
The S.S. batteries are Great. Test their operation in a car for two years in all severe climates of the desert and winter mountain travels .
If my current lithium battery has a 10 year life span I guess in 2034 we will have sea salt cars that get 1000 km on a tank like the prototype quantino 10 years ago
How did you not reference your last video about the ceo of catl trashing solid state???
I see nowhere the Name of this company and when I look up Aeon all I see is a lithium battery company in Aus??? Please write the company name and whereabouts?
350Wh per kg, from 2026 (Promised). Amprius is already selling 450Wh per kg batteries since 2022. They have just completed a new factory, and they started building a second one. Mah...
Thanks Sam. Pay no mind to the gashuffing ICEhead comments. I really enjoy your latest & greatest battery tech. It gives hope. But in reality. Big auto is simple holding off closer to the mandate. Teasing with the hype. Its more profitable to sell 0 profit margin, designed to fail ICE. I see the ICEheads wineing about being ( forced) with the mandate. But without. Big auto never would.
The Future looks good with Electric.
Thanks again Sam
I just finished watching your other video saying solid state batteries are not happening.
No. You didn't. You saw a video about the CATL CEO claiming that SSB is not happening.
@@cardinalmite9183 and Sam on bright eyes saying that "This is the real smart man and top scientist". Without anyway of ever contradicting his own videos . Cmon, guys so full of clickbait.
you stopped talking about Quantumscape, and they are sooooo close
I would if I could but I can't cheers mate
Headline looks like used solid state batteries will be used.
I would like to get up to 400 miles claimed to get 300 on the highway.
Solid state battery technology fascination reminds me of equally fascinating phenomenon called search for intelligent life in universe
Why would anybody with reasonable mind be captivated by mass media headlines especially coming from Toyota backed sources?
As of today we do have non solid state battery available for purchase with 450kw/kg being produced by US based AMPX.
Where exactly can these AMPX (Amprius) cells be purchased? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
Flip-flopping, yes but I come for the information not the opinions so I will continue to listen as it saves time searching.
Man, you are all over the place. You just released another video with the CEO of CATL stating this tech is not going to be viable in the near tearm and sodium ion semi-solid batteries were the next innovation. Well, which is it?
I don’t really care if it’s solid state or made out of feathers. I just want the largest capacity batteries for their weight and size with fastest recharging time, unlimited recharges, and longest useful life. May the best battery win!
"I just want the largest capacity batteries for their weight and size with fastest recharging time, unlimited recharges, and longest useful life." So yes, you care about and want solid state.
I see the benefit of high energy density batteries being smaller pack size and lighter weight, more than longer range. In the U.S. the average daily commute is under 40 miles, and most current EV owners actually use less than 12% of their battery pack capacity each day. Just like most EV owners today charge at home overnight. The added benefit is not hauling around a ton of extra weight just to have a 135-150kWh battery pack, which is rarely used.
Quick charging also for those without home charging...
Hmm
Sam is just presenting the news articles...up to you to make up your mind whether SSBs are on the cusp or 10years off....safer than current batteries or a bomb waiting to explode, etc, etc., etc. There is some value to someone digging out the stories and making them available and providing editorial comments. But how much value is up to the viewer. I'm jussayin....
at this point i'm telling people to wait till a better battery then lithium ion becomes the standard before buying an EV
Bro, you just said that Solid State is not going to work 😂
No Sam did not. Sam quoted the CATL CEO who said SSB is not going to work.
While Sam does need to reign in his biases a bit because CATL want you to buy their non SSB products and there are agendas on all sides of this industry because the potential profits of a winning technology are absolutely astronomical, pointing out that someone, even someone whose motives are not un biased, has some interesting points about the issues of SSB technology is not the same thing as stating the same position.
CATL just wants to sell their current batteries, that's it
1 year away for the next 30 years.
Tomorrow, everything will be better...😂😂😂
Watched this electric viking video with the ceo saics response to Toyota on solid state batteries back to back a few times. Makes this video by the electric video narrative on the positivity of solid state so weird I now don't know which story to find credibility in. Well, both videos are out now, so we can't undo this conundrum anymore🥴. Left undecided, maybe do a collab with Matt Ferrel. That would be decisive!
Expect lots more hype from big auto, till closer to the mandate. Too much money selling designed to fail ICE.
I worry about all this relentless focus on solid state batteries . It's part of the disinformation narrative that we have to have some fundamental breakthrough before electric vehicles will really work for everybody. That's simply not true. We have second generation 2170 cells in our now 6-year-old model 3s that are going strong and show only 8% degradation. Even with the slight range loss, they are still great road cars, and the supercharger network is fantastic. So we don't need solid state batteries to make electric vehicles work even in their less attractive use cases.
Our current batteries are pretty good. But the push for EVs provides demand of a better battery. This is all good.
what happened to the japanese batteries???i am real shock why they r lagging way behind
It's not technology, it's politics for Japan and battery tech.
The automotive uses of it ... well, Toyota's the largest automaker, and they have parterships and partial ownership stakes in several of the other automakers there. This gives them de-facto control of the how the entire industry procedes with electricification.
And, quite frankly, like the German automakers the past decade or two, the Japanese automakers are more interested in hammering down the nail that stands up, rather than fostering competition through innovation of any sort.
You can't push R&D or commercial scaling of battery tech to automakers in Japan, when they're acting more like 18th century buggy whip makers deciding on which shades of leather to use to make this year's buggy whips.
Sounds like a lot of hoping and praying, but not much useful end products in the future.
It's all vaporware, even this comment...
wow, bang zoom, buzz, bamm.
This solid state batteries b.s. is years old,Show us one in a car the works and lasts.CATL just put out a statement that this only trials.Click bait because of the cost is crazy high
3 hours ago you were quoting CATL as saying "Solid state? No way!". 20 minutes ago, this. Sorry to say, but it's hard to take you seriously!
I believe he was quoting CATL Chairman.
He turned down the Japanese solid batteries, but did not mention the Chinese ones.
He just reads the news
@@jeffpitoniak Either of us could 'just read the news'! It was an open goal for a bit of journalistic analysis contrasting the two positions. Look at the comments. We're all pointing this out.
I love the rollercoaster, keep it up Sam!
How can I invest in this company?
Flushing it through the toilet. Or by burning it. Same effect.
"SOOOOOOOOOOOOOON"
Meanwhile, GM are wrapping up their EV program...
Not surprised. Take a look at a pure EV factory,no way GM could compete...
The GAG SAIC battery announcement is not very clear - they say solid state ; but then stay 100% solid state electrolytics-? There is some suggestion then this is a so called semi solid state with still has liquids just less of them. In any event they are saying 2026; which could easily become 2027 or 2028 due to the down turn in the EV market If this company would even survive the current consolidation of makers. Experienced car makers at the only ones who have no worries at all They have millions of existing costomers needing them for parts and service.
Hello mate