Very close sounds with both methods. I could hear more snare response, slightly more ride wash, (but still stick definition) with both capsules point towards the snare. As far as the toms, I couldn’t really distinguish a difference, but I think you had some background music playing at this point, so it made it harder to hear. As always, an informative video, thanks!
Thank you so much for performing this comparison! I am starting to record my drums with more than two mics and this is new for me. I will try both configurations to see what fits better for me. Also would it be possible that you can show in another video how to equalize the whole drums in your daw? I am also having troubles with this because my drum set sound to dark and low, I feel that I cannot achieve some air for the sound. By the way your videos are amazing, keep it up!
I thought it was a pretty noticeable difference. Everyone is going to hear it differently because of your speakers in your room(or on your cell phone lol). I have some monitors on my desk and I could hear the jump. The microphones do sound great either way and I think both recordings would be extremely usable in a mix. To add onto the other points being made here. Its not hearing more of the 'bass' or 'snare'. In many cases, when you augment a microphone's placement in any way, you are changing how the sound waves in that particular room are going to interact with that particular microphone. It sounds to me like when the mics are pointed at the snare there are much more low mids coming into the overheads. That plus the fact that for whatever reason, the pointed straight down approach feels much more sterile, like there is more acoustic treatment in the room. Pointed at the snare it feels like the mics breathe a bit more. Great engineering advice(I did not come up with).. dont have a number or physical thing in mind as a goal. Just because some dude out there has a killer sound and uses OH's 'x' far apart, does not mean that will be your situation. I have analysis paralysis but the truth is there is no 'right way'. Stop looking to be told 'the answer', you have to craft the sound as you go, you stumble upon it. That's one reason why engineering is also an art. You shape the sound you desire to give you the effect you are looking for in the mix. Have a ballpark idea of where you want them, splitting the kit into a stereo image at the height your desired sound requires, and move them around!! When the drums sound full and alive, you've found it. When they sound weak or unnatural, that's not the spot. If at any point you say some thing like "How do I know how far apart? What height is right for my desired sound?" etc. Go. Record. Drums. There is no shortcut, go practice. Find the answer yourself and that is when you are an engineer. Having a tape measure is great but dont fall victim to your eyes. IF IT SOUNDS GOOD IT IS GOOD.
Sorry, could barely tell any difference. Not sure if that was purely mental either, based on expectations. At first I thought the snare was slightly more focused in the "aimed at snare" setup, but later on I don't think I heard that anymore. But the mics are omnidirectional, right? That should help limit the difference a little, especially with quality mics like these. They sounded awesome by the way. Very nice kit too! Some time ago I was eyeing a Sakae snare. Then it got sold and they are out of business, so no more to be had new really. If I may ask, which mic stands do you use? Tama Studioworks? Look very solid.
Yes it’s quite a small difference and I’m sure the RUclips compression won’t help! Earthworks do make some omnis but these are cardioid mics so they are directional. I love them as overheads! Yeah the Sakae trilogy kit is pretty killer I really love it. The mic stands are all K&M actually, they’re relatively new that’s cool you noticed! There’s a whole blog post up on the website if you want to check it out www.onlinedrumstudio.com/blog/the-importance-of-quality-mic-stands Thanks for watching!
@@bobdrums Ah yeah, these are the cardioid mics, I forgot. I think the difference is so small that it won't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, a mix with a full band. The mics do give a great drum sound though, very nice. I'll check out those stands, thanks for the pointer!
@@DanielS10291 Yes, very good point! I didn't even listen for that, but there's a bigger difference there. Seems much more focused in the "aimed at snare" setup. Not sure that matters much at mixdown time, unless one records without a kick mic, but that is indeed quite noticeable. Thanks!
Very close sounds with both methods. I could hear more snare response, slightly more ride wash, (but still stick definition) with both capsules point towards the snare. As far as the toms, I couldn’t really distinguish a difference, but I think you had some background music playing at this point, so it made it harder to hear. As always, an informative video, thanks!
Thank you so much for performing this comparison! I am starting to record my drums with more than two mics and this is new for me. I will try both configurations to see what fits better for me. Also would it be possible that you can show in another video how to equalize the whole drums in your daw? I am also having troubles with this because my drum set sound to dark and low, I feel that I cannot achieve some air for the sound. By the way your videos are amazing, keep it up!
I thought it was a pretty noticeable difference. Everyone is going to hear it differently because of your speakers in your room(or on your cell phone lol). I have some monitors on my desk and I could hear the jump. The microphones do sound great either way and I think both recordings would be extremely usable in a mix.
To add onto the other points being made here. Its not hearing more of the 'bass' or 'snare'. In many cases, when you augment a microphone's placement in any way, you are changing how the sound waves in that particular room are going to interact with that particular microphone. It sounds to me like when the mics are pointed at the snare there are much more low mids coming into the overheads. That plus the fact that for whatever reason, the pointed straight down approach feels much more sterile, like there is more acoustic treatment in the room. Pointed at the snare it feels like the mics breathe a bit more. Great engineering advice(I did not come up with).. dont have a number or physical thing in mind as a goal. Just because some dude out there has a killer sound and uses OH's 'x' far apart, does not mean that will be your situation. I have analysis paralysis but the truth is there is no 'right way'. Stop looking to be told 'the answer', you have to craft the sound as you go, you stumble upon it. That's one reason why engineering is also an art. You shape the sound you desire to give you the effect you are looking for in the mix. Have a ballpark idea of where you want them, splitting the kit into a stereo image at the height your desired sound requires, and move them around!! When the drums sound full and alive, you've found it. When they sound weak or unnatural, that's not the spot. If at any point you say some thing like "How do I know how far apart? What height is right for my desired sound?" etc. Go. Record. Drums. There is no shortcut, go practice. Find the answer yourself and that is when you are an engineer. Having a tape measure is great but dont fall victim to your eyes. IF IT SOUNDS GOOD IT IS GOOD.
Its sounds much tighter pointing downwards
Sorry, could barely tell any difference. Not sure if that was purely mental either, based on expectations. At first I thought the snare was slightly more focused in the "aimed at snare" setup, but later on I don't think I heard that anymore. But the mics are omnidirectional, right? That should help limit the difference a little, especially with quality mics like these. They sounded awesome by the way.
Very nice kit too! Some time ago I was eyeing a Sakae snare. Then it got sold and they are out of business, so no more to be had new really.
If I may ask, which mic stands do you use? Tama Studioworks? Look very solid.
Yes it’s quite a small difference and I’m sure the RUclips compression won’t help! Earthworks do make some omnis but these are cardioid mics so they are directional. I love them as overheads!
Yeah the Sakae trilogy kit is pretty killer I really love it.
The mic stands are all K&M actually, they’re relatively new that’s cool you noticed! There’s a whole blog post up on the website if you want to check it out www.onlinedrumstudio.com/blog/the-importance-of-quality-mic-stands
Thanks for watching!
@@bobdrums Ah yeah, these are the cardioid mics, I forgot. I think the difference is so small that it won't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, a mix with a full band. The mics do give a great drum sound though, very nice.
I'll check out those stands, thanks for the pointer!
i actually notice a difference on the bass drum more than the snare
@@DanielS10291 Yes, very good point! I didn't even listen for that, but there's a bigger difference there. Seems much more focused in the "aimed at snare" setup. Not sure that matters much at mixdown time, unless one records without a kick mic, but that is indeed quite noticeable. Thanks!
Sounds more balanced pointing at snare and the snare seems punchier that way as well