Post Office "Commissioned A Whitewash" | Nick Wallis
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Nick Wallis, author of 'The Great Post Office Scandal', tells TalkTV how an investigation by the Post Office's David Smith into the Horizon system was not independent, labelling it a "whitewash".
It comes former Post Office chairman Sir Michael Hodgkinson has told the Horizon IT inquiry he “didn’t do anything” to check if the business was prosecuting its own people properly.
After Sir Michael said he was not informed during his induction that the Post Office prosecuted its own staff, Sam Stein KC, who represents a number of subpostmasters, asked: “So when did you learn about the process of prosecution by the Post Office of which you were chair?”
Sir Michael said: “I think that was much later on.”
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This inquiry will be a farce if those in charge don't go to jail 😠😠
Every inquiry that seriously threatens the credibility and honesty of HM government since 1990 has been an absolute travesty. B+Q ran out of whitewash years ago. Now they just smear everyone looking for answers instead.
well justice been a joke so far .
Knock me down with a feather.
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If I had a penny for every time YT deleted one of my comments, I'd have £5.63.
Just remember that two bosses, who have just given evidence either didn’t realise (that the PO did most of the prosecutions) or can’t remember the detail. After all they were far too senior to be bothered with little individual details about each prosecution.
@@escapetheratracenow9883 It happened to me twice. Both times i floated the idea of types of possible consequences for the executives.
When are the overlords ever culpable or held responsible? Its all a joke.😡🤬🤬
How dare they, pol and govt saying they’re speeding up the process when they’re doing everything to stall it. 🇬🇧
Plenty of money for something’s..Unfortunately Not postmasters..How absolutely appalling..
Post Office bosses are a national disgrace
When are they getting their own money back???
It's disgusting what has happened to these postmasters and mistresses bloody heart breaking
If the post office CEO.S WERE WORRIED ABOUT INSOLVENCY WHY DID THEY STILL GET BOBUSES
That whitewash was based on the personal opinions of people working in Post Office Limited, and totally ignored all the hard facts that were available at the time.
I find the level of self-serving to be absolutely appalling.
A disgusting cover up by the Post Office bosses!
They have been caught out and should be honest about what they did to the sub postmasters and postmistresses!
They deliberately put those innocent men and women through hell!
Ed Davey should be questioned asap for his role in this shocking scandal!
To send innocent men and women to prison is absolutely appalling!
Not forgetting those who took their life after being wrongly convicted if theft!
i wish we all could lie serve our selves like ed davey did.and get knighted too.he need to hand that back.
I really don't understand why they did what they did. Were they deliberately lying? That's why I want to see them put on trial. I want answers.
@@zhana4518 protecting the people above .sunak is partnered with fijitsu.this explains how the P.O. got legal aid .and the victims got jail.
This enquiry is a waste of time. It has to be dealt with by a court with a jury
Unfortunately the timespan and the complexity of the horizon system means that a court would not be able to get to grips with any of the substantive claims in any short time frame. We are still quite away from getting to all the truth and I earnestly hope the Police will be able to charge the relative parties as soon as the Inquiry is concluded. I look forward to hearing just what part UKGI and civil Servants played in the cover up. We have still not heard from GJ PV or AvdB.
The victims in this case need to crowd fund a private prosecution.
That is an option Alan Bates has discussed, and I would be happy to help fund it. I am sure most of the people in the country would so they have enough funds. Bring in a Jury, bring in a highly respected Judge who has seen miscarriages of justice dealt with. The Post Office, PO Lawyers and Fujitsu are not going to getr away with it, However the Inquiry questioning was hard hitting and it's clear they have unearthened a lot of wrong doing, lying, and a** covering. All of this is now building lots of evidence. The police should be prosecuting, and as one MP involved with the PO investigation, criminal proceedings brought
I'd support it too. If only they'd do an enquiry into fa.ily law system too solicitors etc
Brilliant Nick, keep going!
No one, on top will be held to account. It's the british way.
Why are "lawyers" still involved??? Get them out of the process altogether or this will drag on forever.
Just been watching Adam Crozier at the enquiry, just like everybody else, saw nothing, knew nothing, had no idea what was going on with the prosecutions.
Crozier involvement not included in the itv production, very mysterious, NOT!
All the big guys/girls in this scandal will get away with it. Some compensation will be paid. WE.......tax payers.......will all ultimately loose out. Oh well, it's only money. FURIOUS
The four months of questioning by legal and the hopeful following court cases and convictions and keeping them in jail will ultimately be borne by the taxpayer.. it’s a never ending taxpayers money pit
Lose!
I saw a document on screen during the enquiry this week that estimated £5,000/day for a retired judge to chair the compensation board. People went to jail for less than a week of that fee.
Wow.
jail time needs to be issued , if not it's a farce.
TalkTv reporting on this is hilarious. Nobody has propped up the Tories over the last few decades more than their owner. Who do you think gave Paula Vennells a CBE and Fujitsu more contracts AFTER these issues were known in the public domain?
THIS government promised Alan Bates his money within 40 days over 6 months ago.
I thought that when I stumbled across this. It smacks of an attempt to convince they are on the side of the little people when clearly they are not. I don't imagine they have covered Windrush or the PPE gravy train to name just two. Anyway they have pinched a view from me.
A vote of no confidence in this government should be brought to the commons
Not just the post office with incompetent managers , same in highways England. All the highway engineers told managers that smart motorways was dangerous but they continued because it enables them to show a saving and do increased there bonuses. Big bonus for many peoples lives. Immoral illegal unbelievable
That's why this country is a laughing stock. useless shiny arse management muppets.
The CPS better be compiling all this evidence for a prosecution. Also love the Depp v Heard poster 👍🏻
Quote from internet search : "The UK's CPI score fell to 71 out of 100 in 2023, down from 73 in 2022
This is the lowest score the UK has received since the index was revamped in 2012
The decline in the UK's score and ranking is attributed to increased concerns over political corruption, cronyism, and the mismanagement of public funds
The search results indicate that the UK is now perceived as more corrupt than countries like Uruguay, Hong Kong, and Seychelles
This places the UK below many of its Western European peers on the global corruption index"
The question now is : how many Post Office officials and "higher-ups" will face prosecution?
This exposes something that is endemic in Britain and always has been. That the government holds people of this country in utter contempt. They will defend criminal behaviour with a bottomless pit of public money just to save their miserable faces.
One thing is that 99% of people wont even consider is miscarriages of justice like this are happening every day. But no one pays attention to our is bothered about those because it would take effort to do so.
What this has highlighted is there is a problem with corporate structure. The corporations act needs revising massively. People need to be made personally liable for their actions and not able to hide behind a legal fiction. This "If people are liable for their actions they wont takes risks" approach isn't working out.
Make them personally liable. Stop the injustice.
There are a lot of people that need their actions investigated and prosecuted if found to have done wrong in the Post Office as well as the Government. Justice needs to be seen to have been done.
Once again, the contrast of people with integrity and humanity v abuse of power by people without either. Still thinking about the origins of unions , to stop exactly what happened here, could have, should have….and appreciate Alan and Nick’s (and many others of course) tenacity in ensuring accountability at last
The union was part of it. They aligned with the Post Office.
As post workers for counter work it was expected for them to be honest and have integrity, something it appears was and is still is lacking in those who were running the Post office. Those who should not have been prosecuted and had their assets confiscated, now surely the actual evidence would indicate those responsible should have the same done to them.
You don't say, who paid for the white wash,PO Gov or Horizon?
That David Smith looks like an evil man as well, his testimony was disgraceful, obviously been briefed by his legal team to admit as little as possible, didn’t seem remorseful at all, just made himself look bad. I think a lot of these managers including Vennells are being given bad advice, they are caught now and there is no way getting away from it, might as well own up and apologise. They are just being evil and prolonging the agony of the postmasters who have been wronged, awful people
Psychopath ! They seem to always get slotted into the top positions - create havoc for ordinary folk trying to live their honest lives!
The PO have not spent a penny on lawyers fees that is public money that is funding those lawyers.
As an American who is just learning about this tragic story, I am shocked to hear there were somewhere around 900 convictions! Naturally, I have a less educated, macro view of the matter, but I am confused as to how this massive number wouldn't immediately be questioned. Wouldn't the mere suggestion that this huge amount of post office operators was corrupt, raise an eyebrow? Wouldn't this number alone tell you it was the Horizon system, and not the people, that was messing up the accounting?
The Post Office kept telling the individual postmasters that they were the only one having problems with Horizon; it was quite a while before Mr Bates was able to start getting them together to share their experiences and fight back.
Those in power did all they could to keep a lid on the Horizon discrepancies because the reputation of the PO was far more important than any justice. eg There are recordings of Paula Vennells asking how they can close down concerns raised by Members of Parliament
@@sallywainman8158, Thanks for the insight.👍
How incredibly sad, but also evil that the post office wouldn't admit to other postmasters having similar problems.
No blame culture, first saw it years ago when working in Local Government.
We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and investigators serving jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
Isolated individuals I could understand, but 900?? The sheer number is damning and rhetorical evidence of a system problem.
Why is my comment uneditable?
Inconvenient and unpopular with the establishment (MSM).
What I do not understand about the role of senior Post Office Executives (David Smith, Alan Cook, Adam Crozier) and their pathetic explanations is that I was always led to believe that "ignorance is no excuse" as a defence for criminality. Their senior roles demanded that they were obliged to know what they were responsible for. The "I didn't realise" defence is just not credible.
The UK RICO Act should now be Applied to deal with this PO Scandal.
Nick Wallis is a STAR.. for all the work he has done. Can I ask if someone can start a campaign for Nick and Mr Alan Bates and his wife are nominated for a Knighthood. Fantastic people
I bet the government will have their lawyers attending to try and find out if they can stop or reduce money they have to pay out.
Unbelievable unbelievable this could happen and still happening
Come on Nick carry on with this important information.
Paula walked away with £5 million.😮😮😮
The Post Office scandal is the perfect example of why governments cannot be allowed to run a business. (Look at the NHS!!)
Ooohh don't call it a whhhitewash! Yousef will get angry!!
Will any of those who are entitled to compensation get the total payment they deserve and how many years before they receive it. Or are they the Government put it on the long fingure as usual
David Smith Life in Prison without the chance of Parole would send a clear message to the politicians, Judiciary, Corporations, police and cps. Putting spin and bias on system/process is unforgivable. Majority of people in UK think the politicians, Judiciary, Corporations, police and cps or all corrupt.
What blows my mind is that they could have compensated all and it will probably have been cheaper than the money spent so far, enough said.
Lets hope they dont have to wait for compensation as long as those infected by contaminated blood products
This is England's great chance to clean up the whole mess - the self-protecting establishment, jobs for the boys, incompetence amongst non-executive directors (let alone executive ones), the honours system, over-riding political interests, and so on. The ones guilty in this case need to realise that their lack of diligence and responsibility in all of this is of a criminal nature, and those found responsible need to go to jail, to give a message to everyone else in such positions. And the postmasters must receive their proper compensation. As I said, this is the one chance for the people to speak their mind and make the politicians listen. Not holding my breath, though...
Government OF the people, not necessarily FOR them.....
They will all get off Scot free, titles and bonuses all round after the smoke dies down. ….. and of course new top jobs in high profile directorships in top UK companies.
Think its called Revolving Doors.
In 2003 the Independent Coyne report was commissioned jointly in one case. Although documents were witheld from Coyne his analysis was spot on. Horizen must be full of bugs - it was dead. Who hid it for 15 years?
THIS IS LIKE WATERGATE IN USA !!!
Just pay these people what they are owed and more this whole thing makes me ashamed to be from the uk
I can't understand why the post office hasn't refunded the payments the post masters paid in to cover "losses". Then the compensation can be paid separately. At least give them their money back, it belongs to them plus the interest accrued.
There must be justice for the postmasters, and those in charge must be brought to justice and spend time in prison.
I don’t know. Not me someone else did that etc 😱
When are the liers going to jail
Why can I not find anything about Michael and Susan Rudkin on the official HorizonIT Inquiry?
After 24 years of this does the labour party tory party and sdp think there fit to govern a country if they cant delve into what was happening at the post office ffs.
The British legal system is very very badly broken, except for millionaires and their rich lawyers and barristers, for whom it is designed to make them very very rich.
Nick, Stay on the case!!!
Management ethics throughout Government and commerce and the area between is all very suspect and could bear deeper examination and regulation. People with the power to ruin other's lives should be accountable for that.
The Lawyers are only the ones that will be winners ..............
And the lawyers get richer and richer.
What is going on. Police where are you
I think the actions and decisions of CAFCASS is the most widespread example of injustice .. safe, loving parents having their lives destroyed, and their 'parental' agency taken away, their children physically, emotionally and psychologically detaching, the parent's position intentionally being negated .. where there were no prior Safeguarding issues, and where there originally was a good close relationship
Is he coming to Scotland if so when & where.
Unless I am mistaken but did the POL hierarchy not get bonuses paid to them for every SPM prosecution?
There are such a lot of narcissists (covert or otherwise) in politics, religion and media. They are attracted to these jobs.
Couldn't Fujitsu employee have been transferring money to a bogus account? They did have access.
Dont forget Fujitsu were criminals not advising there were bugs and viruses in the software. Had it not been for one of their employees coming forward to expose what they were doing, it would still be going on. There were enough liars to keep this going until the 12th of Never. Sorry is never going to cut it, money would go some way to restoring the damage done and a sincere and unreserved apology from the management and staff, along with convictions for their part in the crime would be the least one would expect.
They are all 'very sorry' but I will be surprised if any of them are incarcerated or suffer any financial hardship like a lot of their victims wrongly were.
Alan Bates should be knighted. But of course he doesn't have the money like a conservative donor.
2:10 Gotcha Mr Clean. knew you were tooo chirpy n cheerful.
Well give them a £.
Where’s Ed Davey in all this?
Hope this Ismay is not related to the coward who pretended to be a woman and fled Titanic...
I hope Nick is donating funds from his book and other ventures to the victims of this scandal.
Commissioning a white wash is a great british tradition,
Mind you, BEST commissioning of a white wash in the world!
INNIT.