@@polypus74 Not likely to switch soon - recently gave Guix an install, was cool, but arch is better for a development workstation, which is 90% of what I do on a computer. Plus Arch has been running smoothly for me for years.
Talks about bash, uses zsh Talks about systemd, uses artix Says that he does not plan to use arch again, so I'm pretty sure that next week is the arch linux installation guide version 2020
@@austinramsay i used gentoo from like 2012 to 2015 or 2016, but then got a new main machine i needed to get running quickly, so i used slackware for a couple years, then debian, but ive been chasing that gentoo dragon ever since, happiest ive ever been in loonix. 3 days ago i reinstalled gentoo and its even comfier than i remembered
@Pogsii have you tried different mirrors on Void? Default was slow for me but I switched to a closer one and it's quite fast. Actually switched mirrors a second time after a year and this third one I'm using seems the fastest. Also, what features do you miss in xbps from pacman? I used Arch before switching to Void, and have been curious about Artix, mainly because I liked the AUR, but in most other aspects Void has been quite nice and I have trouble recollecting advantages Arch may have had over it other than the AUR.
@@Eduard0Nordestino But arch (in my opinion) it's like a wizard, his power it's big and misterius for others, and the people who know how to use the power. used because want to cook his food more faster and have a great time. others.... just want to make the world burn
One of the reasons I moved to Arch was to learn Linux better for work. Most servers I interact with use systemd. So, it makes sense for me to use Arch so that I can learn about systemd. Someday though...
installing a minimalist distro is always quite interesting, I've stopped counting the number of times when I've done something close to a Gentoo installation to either recover or migrate a system or even heavily modify the installer of a more common distribution. That being said, distribution choices doesn't matter that much for day to day work. I personally kind of like Debian Sid, it's reasonably up to date and stable, and has large choice of packages specially all the tooling to build .deb and .rpm (deb, rpm, pbuilder, mock) which constitute the vast majority of servers I administer. But in the end, anything that gets the job done is a good choice, the rest is a matter of preferences.
Gentoo users don't care about superiority. Just installed Gentoo as secondary OS to my laptop with all power saving features. With Gentoo the OS itself gives you the satisfaction. Learning curve is pretty high, but then again you learn a lot. Most will turn back to other distros, but as they say, once you go with Gentoo, the question isn't if you come back, but when. Once you get committed to Gentoo, it soon becomes your second nature. I can't recommend it enough, just be prepared that transition might be hell at first, the heaven comes later.
The reason I like systemd is that the config files for its services are more or less *required* to be human-readable. Bash-style scripts aren't required to be human-readable, and can end up being confusing to write and maintain unless you've got an intimate familiarity with them, which is becoming less and less of a requirement. I do understand the hate that systemd gets for trying to do seemingly everything (even though there are arguments for some of the things it tries to do), and I'd really enjoy an init system that combines systemd-style human-readable service files with the "do one thing and do it right" mentality.
Ik this is comment is ancient but in the event you still care there is 66-init which is a frontend for s6 but provides a fairly systemd config readability, idk if Artix still supports it though
They'll be moving away from a "systemd free" model by removing gksu and consolekit because gnome. See sysdfree top distros covered for a bit of context and some alternatives. I use artix BTW
@@richmondrobinson3259 Already done. The reason is because gksu is entirely unmaintained and consolekit2 is barely maintained. github.com/void-linux/void-packages/pull/6756 github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/20577 Although you do realize that void initally was one of the early adopters of systemd (long before the big name distros did), Void eventually moved to runit due to systemd requiring a ridiculous amount of patches to run on anything non-glibc. Since Juan wanted Void to have strong focus on musl, he moved Void to runit. If I made a mistake feel free to correct me.
@@chbrules you're watching a video about feeling superior to arch users by using something else, pretty sure ur superior complex is kicking in already.
You don't answer the underlying question: WHY? Why Artix? Why use an alternative init system if you don't really have an issue with systemd? You also don't explain why that would make you would feel superior to Arch users, even if that argument is sarcastic.
@Kohina In it's most simplification of an answer, here it is: 1. Change. SystemD was a change nobody asked for. 2. SystemD uses a proprietary system instead of an open system as in 'I can see how this works". 3. Unix/Linux was always about doing one thing at one time whereas SystemD destroys that methodology in every way it functions by lumping everything together. 4. SystemD is bloated. I'm sure there's many more reasons beyond this over simplification but you get the idea. Mostly the idea of the hate behind SystemD really is coming from the stodgy older guys who came before it existed and want nothing to do with it.
Nice, started tinkering with Artix last week in a VM along with freeBSD. Gotta say I really appreciate the BSD documentation. Arch wiki is extremely good for any Linux distro too but I have found myself reading the freeBSD handbook just for fun, it's amazing.
@@avsbqAfter seeing past the elitism and ignoring the gatekeepers of the Linux (distro) community, I settled with Mint. Its just ready out of the box and has a larger support for apps than Fedora, none of the controversies of Ubuntu, and more polished than extra bleeding edge like Arch.
I use NixOS, and just like Artix, it also works so great and stable I forget I'm using it. But if you want to feel superior to Arch Linux users for the meme, there's Linux From Scratch, Slackware, Gentoo, Void Linux and all the BSDs.
I put Artix on a spare partition the other day. The AUR doesn't work... Lol. Slackware, however is my mainstay. It seems to just work. Dependencies are really no issue. I have noticed that installing from source has mixed results . DWM easy , Claws-Mail from source no problem. But some GitHub projects code is flaky. All in all, Slackware gets out of my way and does what I want it to do.
First time I've seen your channel. I'm starting to get into linux (how else am I going to justify buying old thinkpads I don't need) and aside from familiarizing myself with centos for my servers, and I think you've won me over to give this a shot. Your humor is on point too you've earned yourself a sub, my man
@LyraDash according to a comment on the video "Installing Artix Linux", the wifi is set to "power saving" so it's slower. He gave a command to disable this [ -d /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d ] || sudo mkdir -p /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d sudo echo '[connection] wifi.powersave = 2' | sudo tee -a /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf > /dev/null
Eyyy, he finally did a video about Artix. It's a great example of what a fork should be. They aren't trying to revamp anything with Arch (like Manjaro). They just wanted to basically change one thing, and that was systemd, and they changed virtually nothing else. Very smexy distro.
Are updates necessary? As a guy running Artix-runit, it's more or less feature complete. It starts your system. It runs the scripts you give it. That's all it's supposed to do. While I'm somewhat concerned for security updates, I'm fairly confident that the source code is being vetted by the distros that use it. (Artix and Void off the top of my head)
used it many many years... my dude. Now mint. Updating was not always trivial.. even had to reinstall once or twice. No time for such things right now. So I suggest: update gentoo regularly .. to keep the problems low.
I've been using Artix with S6 for a short time. First time using an Arch based distro. I had to get away from Ubuntu because of the 100 snap mounts and systemd. The S6 boot messages are weird to see. Seems fast though. Also happy that the package manager installs the latest version. With bleeding edge Ubuntu it's usually outdated by 1-20 versions. Apt is much easier to use than pacman though. But that's just me.
I find runit more intuitive then systemd, particular when things don't go well, runit is easier to diagnose, all you have to look at is a shell script. Runit gets more out of you way, systemd is very intrusive. Runit is more unixi then systemd if you are into that. Runit is less resource intensive. Runit starts faster then systemd Runit is very stable.
SystemD has a butt-load of features that are more useful in production/server professional IT environments. A regular laptop user probably doesn't need all these features, something like OpenRC or Runit is more minimal and just does the job. It's a similar thing with sudo vs doas. Kinda like, would you run out and buy a $6000 professional auto toolset, metal cabinet and a decked out car garage to only change a tire? When all you really need is a jack and a tire iron.
@@FreeMan-wz3hj But the argument is that an init system should not have a "butt-load of features" but should only do one thing, initialize the system. Anything else should be done by other software. It more like Runit being a tire iron yes. But systemD is a tire iron, a hammer, a skrew driver, a cement mixer etc all welded together in one tool. So if you need to go out and change your tire, you need to take 10 ton multi tool with you.
@@emperorpicard6474 Yes, but you don't understand how useful those tools are when you're in change of 100+ machines in production. Linux is heavily used in IT world. It's not just made for Joe Blow's laptop at home with a tiling window manager and a waifu in the background.
The best thing about this is knowing you listen to Infected. Huge respect, they hold a very very special place in my heart and I hope they do in yours, too :^)
Superiority?, No Systemd? - It's called Freebsd. If your not compelled to run "uname -a" within the first few commands on a new install on the metal then you have no 'feel for the machine.'
can you believe Luke Soymith doesn't know anything about s6 it's a shame your init has to run process forever to supervise it also extra eletism point, only like 2 distros run it and they both arch based
Not even Gentoo has real support for it. If only there was better documentation for it. You pretty much rely on Obarun's documentation (though it has been a few years since I checked this).
The thing that used to drive me nuts about distro reviews was that they would all literally just sit there looking at the desktop and read out software version numbers; they were so pointless, lol.
For the systemd problem, I actually use arch because this distro and its community uses systemd by default. Sometimes there are weird software expect you to have systemd (especially deepin ones). Sometimes there are small software project that are just documented expecting systemd. Despite I just like openrc better while the time I tried gentoo, it is easier to live with systemd because a larger population uses it :(
If you have a Distro that has everything you need and nothing you don't, then a huge package manager and the AUR are not needed. In my case, the only thing I install if not on the Distro out of the box, is Firefox, and I change the wallpaper to something I like, and that's it. Keep it simple.
Luke Smith is a great and wholesome man, genuinely wants people to be good and get married and have kids. I feel bad for people that don’t watch him xD
golden tidbit for artix newcomers when doing pacstrap, use the "-c" argument, so you don't download all the base/base-devel stuff, and things like zsh, vim, irssi. You have to specify the packages that you want tho.
steam can be installed from the main repos if you just uncomment multilib in /etc/pacman.conf if i recall correctly. for GOG theres a neat application on the AUR called minigalaxy, its incredibly simple and just works. if you have an nvidia card make sure to install the correct driver (‘nvidia’ or ‘nvidia-lts’ for lts kernel) for graphics to run well. arch has the best software availability on linux that i’m aware of so if it works on any other flavor of linux it generally will work on arch without hassle. when in doubt always read wiki.archlinux.org and trust it over random youtube comments. have fun on your le epic gaming journey
@@breadpirateroberts4946 i am using manjaro. I dont have any problem with arch. I am just unsure if the lack systemd creates any unintended consequences. I already have everything nicely setup on manjaro.
Siddhu arch uses only systemd, so the init system would be the same as on manjaro. artix on the other hand replaces systemd with a choice of more minimal init systems but this should not really be a problem unless you’re using GNOME which has systemd dependencies baked in. i can’t think of another use case where systemd would be required to run unrelated software. that said if manjaro works for you i’d say theres no real reason to switch other than if you just want to tinker with different systems. on linux most things work more or less the same
@@breadpirateroberts4946 i know manjaro uses systemd. I wanted to know if could play games on artix. I dont use gnome, i dont like it. I am using KDE. I have been distro hopping since 2014. Although, i never tried gentoo or debian. Ive mostly used ubuntu based linuxes like linux mint. I tried arch before but i didnt use it for long. I liked pop os though. Besides, i dont understand whats the problem with systemd.
Siddhu the init system just initializes and manages system processes so simply using a different one will not prevent you in any way from running software like games. short answer, there isn’t a “problem” with systemd there’s simply different use cases and preference. people like to meme about systemd but in general it’s completely fine
Hey Luke, great content. Have you been able to get your laptop lid suspend event to work without systemd? I've been having a hard time since I moved to artix.
Why not just go back to Void at this point? Void is more arch then arch anyway. Is it only because of the AUR? Personally I never found the AUR that useful. Arch only officially supports x86_64, void support more. Void supports both glibc and musl. Void maintains all of its kernels, you can easily use an older kernel. There are just more reasons to use void than to use arch. I see arch now the same way as I see i3, great as an introduction to minimalism but you can go further. Finally, and this is a bit subjective, but void seems to run really smooth, I found that arch had its occasional hiccups but void is just smooth sailing.
Well, most pc end-users nowadays just uses x86_64. Also just a heads up, void's original creator is out from their development due to some issues and void may not even be considered systemd-free anymore. sources: - voidlinux.org/news/2020/04/some-context.html - sysdfree.wordpress.com/downloads/
@@johndelacruz7894 Not for long, ARM is right around the corner, and RiscV will probably follow soon after. I'm not really bothered by the original creator leaving, I think the community is pretty solid. I don't care if void supports systemd, as long as I can continue to use runit. I'm not married to void, It just suits me the best right now.
Yea, I just looked at the codebase for runit. It is both hacky code, only made by one person, and over 5 years unmaintained. The entire thing is only 6 commits with the last one being a README file commit. The code is filled with magic numbers and rewriting the universe instead of using the std lib c at all.
@@cvoges12 That's why open source is great. I thank you for checking the source when I could not, as I am still learning C. Eventually I want to be able to contribute in some way to the Linux/BSD ecosystem, but that is a long way off. Hopefully I do not stumble across the same pitfalls as so many others!
I daily drove artix for about a month. I’ll agree that it’s similar to arch, but what drove me back to arch was that everything required more work if it was dependent on systemd. I’ll probably use artix again at some point.
Arch and its derivatives are the EASIEST distros to use. I couldn’t actually stick with Linux until I found Manjaro. It all just makes so much sense and literally everything is in the AUR.
i have been using Manjaro for quite a while and i'm aware of the vulnerabilities systemd has and i'm trying to install the cinnamon Desktop environment with runit because a friend of mine who uses void xfce said it mimics FreeBSD's system init but the website won't let me download the iso. I want to try it out on my virtual machine so i can check it out and see what it has to offer me.
People focus too much on distros. I could go on about how arch-based systems are best, but honestly just pick something that gives you a functional Linux experience, and watch reviews of programs and software, not distros.
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The quintessential 'Arch user' doesn't use Arch, that's the point.
It kind of is arch though, not that that's a bad thing
I use Arch Linux proper - tried other variations like Antergos and Manjaro, and always had issues
@@etherweb6796 Try void next. I'm mainly on arch myself, but messed around with void, and is pretty awesome.
@@polypus74 Not likely to switch soon - recently gave Guix an install, was cool, but arch is better for a development workstation, which is 90% of what I do on a computer. Plus Arch has been running smoothly for me for years.
@@etherweb6796 Ditto, developing on arch, no problems, smooth as butter. I have void on an old laptop for fun.
Talks about bash, uses zsh
Talks about systemd, uses artix
Says that he does not plan to use arch again, so I'm pretty sure that next week is the arch linux installation guide version 2020
He just released an Artix linux install guide today in case you're wondering
@@SimGunther Yeah, I already consoomed this content. But I ain't discarting an arch installation still =D
Click bait
How's this comment age 🤔
@@SharunKumar he literally was talking about using arch and staying on it indefinitely a year before he made this video lmooaaaaaaaaa.
Imagine creating a new distro just to change the init system (This post was made by Gentoo Gang)
Underrated comment award goes to you haha. I'm staying with Gentoo. Running it on an i9-9980HK XPS 15 laptop it's awesome!
@@austinramsay i used gentoo from like 2012 to 2015 or 2016, but then got a new main machine i needed to get running quickly, so i used slackware for a couple years, then debian, but ive been chasing that gentoo dragon ever since, happiest ive ever been in loonix. 3 days ago i reinstalled gentoo and its even comfier than i remembered
@Вероника Заглотова That will break the OS since it isnt easy to swap out systemd.
@Вероника Заглотова Its not a case of support its due to the way sytemd functions
@Вероника Заглотова А зачем? Там геморра много всё-равно. Уж лучше сразу до конца, Gentoo поставить
Uuum Mr youtuber you forgot to review the wallpapers, what kind of distro review is this? Not upvoting sir, sorry.
This is so true it hurts, yikers.
@@sunset-inn Based, BBCpilled and Banned from youtube
P.S. Burton do you casually drop political jokes also? Lets hear one.
Soystemd had me cracking
@@EyasD04 deez nuts
@@EyasD04 you loose your speech real easily huh......
damn, he straight up deleted his comment lmao
@@GMAH111 what did he say?
@@not_herobrine3752 absolutely don't remember
>mfw luke tells me to install manjaro and a week later backsteps and tells me to install artix
REEEEE
Manjaro is great for the newbies. This is likely for those that have a little bit more knowledge.
Good news: you can just migrate to Artix from either Arch or Manjaro.
@@aayushnp5430 ye a newbie so I will stick with manjaro to learn more about arch stuff and Linux overall
@Pogsii have you tried different mirrors on Void? Default was slow for me but I switched to a closer one and it's quite fast. Actually switched mirrors a second time after a year and this third one I'm using seems the fastest. Also, what features do you miss in xbps from pacman? I used Arch before switching to Void, and have been curious about Artix, mainly because I liked the AUR, but in most other aspects Void has been quite nice and I have trouble recollecting advantages Arch may have had over it other than the AUR.
Btw every time when i forget Luke's channel name - i just search on youtube for arch boomer
Nothing personal just association.
Can confirm, it works
Oh shit it even works
@@t74devkw damnnnnnnnnnn
Runescape default character works too.
@@tafferinthedark it does hahahahah
"I don't use Arch" is the new "I use Arch"
BTW i use Zorin
@@Aardvark-111 same, my 1st distro
@@Eduard0Nordestino Zorin it's the cute little guy whe all love, it's not the best, but it's cool in his own way.
@@Eduard0Nordestino But arch (in my opinion) it's like a wizard, his power it's big and misterius for others, and the people who know how to use the power. used because want to cook his food more faster and have a great time.
others.... just want to make the world burn
@@Aardvark-111 honestly Zorin is a great distro!
I just don’t like “sudo apt install” and then “sudo apt update”
(i use arch btw)
Wait until this guy discovers Gentoo
wait until he discovers TempleOS
Wait until he discovers paper and pen
Wait until this guy optimizes his own brain
@Sayon Lmao
One of the reasons I moved to Arch was to learn Linux better for work. Most servers I interact with use systemd. So, it makes sense for me to use Arch so that I can learn about systemd. Someday though...
installing a minimalist distro is always quite interesting, I've stopped counting the number of times when I've done something close to a Gentoo installation to either recover or migrate a system or even heavily modify the installer of a more common distribution.
That being said, distribution choices doesn't matter that much for day to day work.
I personally kind of like Debian Sid, it's reasonably up to date and stable, and has large choice of packages specially all the tooling to build .deb and .rpm (deb, rpm, pbuilder, mock) which constitute the vast majority of servers I administer.
But in the end, anything that gets the job done is a good choice, the rest is a matter of preferences.
Infected Mushroom is pretty good. They've been putting out diverse and interesting psytrance for decades now.
Well sure but what's the context of this comment exactly?
I like their rock oriented tracks more, but for the most part I can't disagree
@@BurgerKingHarkinian check the dwmbar
ok but where's the context?
@@LinkTheSkyper Oooooh I see! Thx!
>luke smith reviews "I can't believe it's not Arch!!"
>i can't believe my meme isn't funny (not you)
Install gentoo, that's how you can feel superior to an Arch user
- not a gentoo user BTW
And waste hours compiling stuff? I don't think so.
Gentoo users don't care about superiority. Just installed Gentoo as secondary OS to my laptop with all power saving features. With Gentoo the OS itself gives you the satisfaction. Learning curve is pretty high, but then again you learn a lot. Most will turn back to other distros, but as they say, once you go with Gentoo, the question isn't if you come back, but when. Once you get committed to Gentoo, it soon becomes your second nature. I can't recommend it enough, just be prepared that transition might be hell at first, the heaven comes later.
@@AbhishekBM The only thing that requires hours is Firefox, but theres a binary version of that in the repos
And wait 3 days for your kernel and xorg compile 😥🤣
@@mustafasalih5328 wtf are you using, a pentium 2?? lmao
I run Kali on an vm on Qubes on a vm on Tails because I'm a cool, hacker, paranoid schizophrenic.
I'm just like that you know
While Intel Management Engine is sending the data to CIA
Your pc is a beast
The reason I like systemd is that the config files for its services are more or less *required* to be human-readable. Bash-style scripts aren't required to be human-readable, and can end up being confusing to write and maintain unless you've got an intimate familiarity with them, which is becoming less and less of a requirement. I do understand the hate that systemd gets for trying to do seemingly everything (even though there are arguments for some of the things it tries to do), and I'd really enjoy an init system that combines systemd-style human-readable service files with the "do one thing and do it right" mentality.
Ik this is comment is ancient but in the event you still care there is 66-init which is a frontend for s6 but provides a fairly systemd config readability, idk if Artix still supports it though
I use Void btw.
They'll be moving away from a "systemd free" model by removing gksu and consolekit because gnome. See sysdfree top distros covered for a bit of context and some alternatives.
I use artix BTW
I use freeBSD btw
@@SimGunther This is interesting. Source?
@Bloatman McEmacs
What do you mean by "This community is a wild west where each town has its dictator"?
Just wondering.
@@richmondrobinson3259
Already done. The reason is because gksu is entirely unmaintained and consolekit2 is barely maintained.
github.com/void-linux/void-packages/pull/6756
github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/20577
Although you do realize that void initally was one of the early adopters of systemd (long before the big name distros did), Void eventually moved to runit due to systemd requiring a ridiculous amount of patches to run on anything non-glibc. Since Juan wanted Void to have strong focus on musl, he moved Void to runit.
If I made a mistake feel free to correct me.
The keyword here is 'Feel'.
I use Arch BTW
@@chbrules you're watching a video about feeling superior to arch users by using something else, pretty sure ur superior complex is kicking in already.
@@chbrules >Its a meme, you dip.
no one cares
@@chbrules >No one cares.
No one cares.
You don't answer the underlying question: WHY? Why Artix? Why use an alternative init system if you don't really have an issue with systemd? You also don't explain why that would make you would feel superior to Arch users, even if that argument is sarcastic.
we don't ask these questions, we just make meme comments and take the 4chan meme god's word as gospel.
@Kohina weird design choices like the .mount filename thingy
@Kohina In it's most simplification of an answer, here it is: 1. Change. SystemD was a change nobody asked for. 2. SystemD uses a proprietary system instead of an open system as in 'I can see how this works". 3. Unix/Linux was always about doing one thing at one time whereas SystemD destroys that methodology in every way it functions by lumping everything together. 4. SystemD is bloated.
I'm sure there's many more reasons beyond this over simplification but you get the idea. Mostly the idea of the hate behind SystemD really is coming from the stodgy older guys who came before it existed and want nothing to do with it.
I know. Thinking for yourself is hard.
Lmao
Simping for systemd
simpd
systemctl enable systemd-simpd
Simpstemd
@Adán Romero cause it's attempting to take over maybe lol
Nice, started tinkering with Artix last week in a VM along with freeBSD. Gotta say I really appreciate the BSD documentation. Arch wiki is extremely good for any Linux distro too but I have found myself reading the freeBSD handbook just for fun, it's amazing.
Talk to me when you compile you're own kernel. - a person better than arch.
Talk to me when you etch your own cpu
Talk to me when you reborn as XAE a12.
@Ruffle System :D
Talk to me when you write your own compiler. In Holy C. - God
Talk to me when you grab two rocks and make fire.
URGENT! Read this:
lukesmith.xyz/deletion
@Nina rani Bhoi nah Aditya sucks, he don’t know to maintain the distro
@@nobody-pk8ei Aditya?
@@nobody-pk8ei The guy who made Archcraft?
Can you slow down on the content a bit Luke? I can't stop consooming
GNU Guix System with the GNU Shepherd ftw. Embrace the Lisp machine.
*laughs in NixOS*
This a proper distro review because everybody in the comments is telling their life story.
I've been dual booting gentoo and artix OpenRC for about 6 months, and I'm glad artix is getting the recognition it deserves
*I kind of want a tour at your computer, from your bootloader to your desktop, what bars you use and window manager.*
*Asking from a beginner :')*
what distro did you settle on after all this time
@@avsbqAfter seeing past the elitism and ignoring the gatekeepers of the Linux (distro) community, I settled with Mint. Its just ready out of the box and has a larger support for apps than Fedora, none of the controversies of Ubuntu, and more polished than extra bleeding edge like Arch.
I really wish Parabola GNU/Linux-libre had a runit version.
I use NixOS, and just like Artix, it also works so great and stable I forget I'm using it. But if you want to feel superior to Arch Linux users for the meme, there's Linux From Scratch, Slackware, Gentoo, Void Linux and all the BSDs.
I put Artix on a spare partition the other day. The AUR doesn't work...
Lol.
Slackware, however is my mainstay.
It seems to just work. Dependencies are really no issue.
I have noticed that installing from source has mixed results . DWM easy , Claws-Mail from source no problem. But some GitHub projects code is flaky.
All in all, Slackware gets out of my way and does what I want it to do.
First time I've seen your channel. I'm starting to get into linux (how else am I going to justify buying old thinkpads I don't need) and aside from familiarizing myself with centos for my servers, and I think you've won me over to give this a shot. Your humor is on point too
you've earned yourself a sub, my man
I installed Artix once, but it lacks so many mirrors so my internet was so slow. I have to go back to Arch
You too? I thought it was just me.
@LyraDash according to a comment on the video "Installing Artix Linux", the wifi is set to "power saving" so it's slower.
He gave a command to disable this
[ -d /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d ] || sudo mkdir -p /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
sudo echo '[connection]
wifi.powersave = 2' | sudo tee -a /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf > /dev/null
INSTALL GENTOO
I did. I like it.
D O N E
I did it 10 years ago and I've moved the same install between the 3 different computers I've had since then. So I'm good.
Eyyy, he finally did a video about Artix. It's a great example of what a fork should be. They aren't trying to revamp anything with Arch (like Manjaro). They just wanted to basically change one thing, and that was systemd, and they changed virtually nothing else. Very smexy distro.
are you aware runit wasn't updated in almost 6 years? it's deprecated at this point.
@DSL how is s6 more evil than systemd? openrc is also fine. if you go systemd-free and have a choice, why not choose an active project?
Are updates necessary? As a guy running Artix-runit, it's more or less feature complete. It starts your system. It runs the scripts you give it. That's all it's supposed to do. While I'm somewhat concerned for security updates, I'm fairly confident that the source code is being vetted by the distros that use it. (Artix and Void off the top of my head)
Did you know oxygen wasn't updated in 14 billion years? Breathing is deprecated at this point.
@@MrEdrftgyuji if oxygen was a software developed by people it had to be updated as well
Correction : it's perfect, no need to change it
@Luke regarding your face lagging from your voice, if you use mpv to stream the videofeed then use:
mpv --untimed --profile=low-latency
Arch? Pfft that’s for normies, I use Windows
@Fernando Solís msdos
I want to understand why avoiding systemd is so important for some people
Gentoo is the only answer my dude.
B-but the AUR T_T
brb compiling each binary
used it many many years... my dude. Now mint. Updating was not always trivial.. even had to reinstall once or twice. No time for such things right now. So I suggest: update gentoo regularly .. to keep the problems low.
@@AllMeta gentoo has overlays. and even better you can make your own ebuilds.
@@emptyspacevacuum that is the fun. and that is also what makes you superior than anyone else.
For newbies, I',m not sure all those -openrc, -s6, -runit 'sort of duplicate' packages are very helpful.
Your top bar looks like it's from a 4X game listing all your gold, food and production values
Luke have you ever used sysvinit?
I've been using Artix with S6 for a short time. First time using an Arch based distro. I had to get away from Ubuntu because of the 100 snap mounts and systemd. The S6 boot messages are weird to see. Seems fast though. Also happy that the package manager installs the latest version. With bleeding edge Ubuntu it's usually outdated by 1-20 versions. Apt is much easier to use than pacman though. But that's just me.
I haven't used it long enough to say if I like it or not.
Can you make a video explaining the differences of the inits systems and how they work amd why are they useful?
What is the advantages of openrc or runit over systemd? I guess almost none
I find runit more intuitive then systemd, particular when things don't go well, runit is easier to diagnose, all you have to look at is a shell script.
Runit gets more out of you way, systemd is very intrusive.
Runit is more unixi then systemd if you are into that.
Runit is less resource intensive.
Runit starts faster then systemd
Runit is very stable.
SystemD has a butt-load of features that are more useful in production/server professional IT environments. A regular laptop user probably doesn't need all these features, something like OpenRC or Runit is more minimal and just does the job. It's a similar thing with sudo vs doas. Kinda like, would you run out and buy a $6000 professional auto toolset, metal cabinet and a decked out car garage to only change a tire? When all you really need is a jack and a tire iron.
@@FreeMan-wz3hj But the argument is that an init system should not have a "butt-load of features" but should only do one thing, initialize the system.
Anything else should be done by other software.
It more like Runit being a tire iron yes.
But systemD is a tire iron, a hammer, a skrew driver, a cement mixer etc all welded together in one tool.
So if you need to go out and change your tire, you need to take 10 ton multi tool with you.
@@emperorpicard6474 Yes, but you don't understand how useful those tools are when you're in change of 100+ machines in production. Linux is heavily used in IT world. It's not just made for Joe Blow's laptop at home with a tiling window manager and a waifu in the background.
I never felt this superior in my life, thank you Luke.
The best thing about this is knowing you listen to Infected. Huge respect, they hold a very very special place in my heart and I hope they do in yours, too :^)
Damn, I hadn't even noticed that. I love Infected Mushroom.
Superiority?, No Systemd? - It's called Freebsd. If your not compelled to run "uname -a" within the first few commands on a new install on the metal then you have no 'feel for the machine.'
TL;DR translation "Hi I'm Luke and I'm distro hopping"
can you believe Luke Soymith doesn't know anything about s6
it's a shame your init has to run process forever to supervise it
also extra eletism point, only like 2 distros run it and they both arch based
Not even Gentoo has real support for it.
If only there was better documentation for it. You pretty much rely on Obarun's documentation (though it has been a few years since I checked this).
Make a OpenBSD as Server video. I feel like RUclips lacks openBSD server stuff. Your perfect for those type of contents, consider it on your list 🙂
So you basically use Artix if you don't want systemd. What if you don't care? Is Arch still a good option?
Yes.
6:22 this happens to every linux user. It has happened to me more than once. Lightdm just appears for no reason.
His watch and stream crashed during pacman -Syyu
sad to see the stream be privated
Luke not only invented "bloat" but also "soy-" 💪🙏🤣
lol, just in time
I moved to Artix earlier today
:OOOOO VIm Diesel will do a distro review :OOOOOO
...their primary selling point is not having systemd? jesus christ
Why Artix use Zeitgeist Datahub? Saw it on the LXDE flavor. Is Artix distro the second coming of Unity the hell spawned annihilator of end user?
Soystem D. You got me with that.
Would like to know where you got that wallpaper...
The thing that used to drive me nuts about distro reviews was that they would all literally just sit there looking at the desktop and read out software version numbers; they were so pointless, lol.
Just show neofetch and call it a review xD "so guys as you can see, the logo looks very cool 10/10 good distro"
Have you done any virtual machine in Artix videos?
Friendship ended with Void Linux
Now Artrix is my best friend
My thoughts exactly when I saw the thumbnail , heheh
".... and they are sharing their life story with us, I don't know"
- a boomer continously sharing his life story with us
I use Gentoo btw.
What are your thoughts on Artix vs Void? Void uses runit, and I like their package manager.
Good distro....no AUR. Encouraged me to OpenBSD. If not in base do I really need it?
An install video would be nice, yeah
is Manjaro a good distro ? I installed & customized on my own ( the Gnome version ) because i really loved the activities interface
Also check out Devuan, the same concept based on Debian.
So Arch, Void and now Artix, I hate all those fragmentation
For the systemd problem, I actually use arch because this distro and its community uses systemd by default. Sometimes there are weird software expect you to have systemd (especially deepin ones). Sometimes there are small software project that are just documented expecting systemd. Despite I just like openrc better while the time I tried gentoo, it is easier to live with systemd because a larger population uses it :(
Why do you use it over arch if you think systemd is not a problem ?
If you have a Distro that has everything you need and nothing you don't, then a huge package manager and the AUR are not needed. In my case, the only thing I install if not on the Distro out of the box, is Firefox, and I change the wallpaper to something I like, and that's it. Keep it simple.
Been using Arch for over 2 years, I now got Artix installed after watching this video.
I installed artix and I did *add random life story*
Boomer changing statements faster then Speed of LIGHT .
Luke Smith is a great and wholesome man, genuinely wants people to be good and get married and have kids. I feel bad for people that don’t watch him xD
golden tidbit for artix newcomers
when doing pacstrap, use the "-c" argument, so you don't download all the base/base-devel stuff, and things like zsh, vim, irssi.
You have to specify the packages that you want tho.
People were SHOCKED: to look cool on the internet you just have to install....
Can it run games? Will i have any issues running other software? Or it doesnt matter? I am a noob. I dont know.
steam can be installed from the main repos if you just uncomment multilib in /etc/pacman.conf if i recall correctly. for GOG theres a neat application on the AUR called minigalaxy, its incredibly simple and just works. if you have an nvidia card make sure to install the correct driver (‘nvidia’ or ‘nvidia-lts’ for lts kernel) for graphics to run well. arch has the best software availability on linux that i’m aware of so if it works on any other flavor of linux it generally will work on arch without hassle. when in doubt always read wiki.archlinux.org and trust it over random youtube comments. have fun on your le epic gaming journey
@@breadpirateroberts4946 i am using manjaro. I dont have any problem with arch. I am just unsure if the lack systemd creates any unintended consequences. I already have everything nicely setup on manjaro.
Siddhu arch uses only systemd, so the init system would be the same as on manjaro. artix on the other hand replaces systemd with a choice of more minimal init systems but this should not really be a problem unless you’re using GNOME which has systemd dependencies baked in. i can’t think of another use case where systemd would be required to run unrelated software. that said if manjaro works for you i’d say theres no real reason to switch other than if you just want to tinker with different systems. on linux most things work more or less the same
@@breadpirateroberts4946 i know manjaro uses systemd. I wanted to know if could play games on artix. I dont use gnome, i dont like it. I am using KDE. I have been distro hopping since 2014. Although, i never tried gentoo or debian. Ive mostly used ubuntu based linuxes like linux mint. I tried arch before but i didnt use it for long. I liked pop os though. Besides, i dont understand whats the problem with systemd.
Siddhu the init system just initializes and manages system processes so simply using a different one will not prevent you in any way from running software like games. short answer, there isn’t a “problem” with systemd there’s simply different use cases and preference. people like to meme about systemd but in general it’s completely fine
what happened to that stream, boi
If you want to feel superior to arch users just install ubuntu
ubuntu spyware
Soy
Hey Luke, great content. Have you been able to get your laptop lid suspend event to work without systemd? I've been having a hard time since I moved to artix.
Why not just go back to Void at this point? Void is more arch then arch anyway. Is it only because of the AUR? Personally I never found the AUR that useful.
Arch only officially supports x86_64, void support more.
Void supports both glibc and musl. Void maintains all of its kernels, you can easily use an older kernel.
There are just more reasons to use void than to use arch. I see arch now the same way as I see i3, great as an introduction to minimalism but you can go further.
Finally, and this is a bit subjective, but void seems to run really smooth, I found that arch had its occasional hiccups but void is just smooth sailing.
Well, most pc end-users nowadays just uses x86_64.
Also just a heads up, void's original creator is out from their development due to some issues and void may not even be considered systemd-free anymore. sources:
- voidlinux.org/news/2020/04/some-context.html
- sysdfree.wordpress.com/downloads/
@@johndelacruz7894 Not for long, ARM is right around the corner, and RiscV will probably follow soon after.
I'm not really bothered by the original creator leaving, I think the community is pretty solid.
I don't care if void supports systemd, as long as I can continue to use runit.
I'm not married to void, It just suits me the best right now.
why you use runit? Why don't you OpenRC like us quintessential gentoo users?
Yea, I just looked at the codebase for runit. It is both hacky code, only made by one person, and over 5 years unmaintained. The entire thing is only 6 commits with the last one being a README file commit. The code is filled with magic numbers and rewriting the universe instead of using the std lib c at all.
I remember him saying in a livestream that he doesn't like openrc be he didn't say why
@@cvoges12 I love Spaghetti Bolognaise in my init process code, don't you?
@@Jupiter__001_ HA, exactly. You never know what you'll find until you look. And I'm definitely glad I looked
@@cvoges12 That's why open source is great. I thank you for checking the source when I could not, as I am still learning C.
Eventually I want to be able to contribute in some way to the Linux/BSD ecosystem, but that is a long way off. Hopefully I do not stumble across the same pitfalls as so many others!
How do you dissapeared the top bar and splited windows with that separation? I am a newbie on Arch yet :/
I daily drove artix for about a month. I’ll agree that it’s similar to arch, but what drove me back to arch was that everything required more work if it was dependent on systemd. I’ll probably use artix again at some point.
Does anyone know what desktop environment Luke uses? Also, does anyone know what tiling manager he is using?
Thanks
he uses i3 window manager
No, DWM
Where is the "Zoomer Consooomer gets Red-pilled on Technology" video?
my life story: one time a few years ago, I installed Ubuntu.. now I run Arch.. now I feel like I need to run Artix :D
the problem is, I also run Centos & AmazonLinux at work and those bitches run systemd,,, so it's kinda familiar at this point
I'm honestly surprised you don't use
Slackware or Gentoo or hell even FreeBsd.
Arch and its derivatives are the EASIEST distros to use. I couldn’t actually stick with Linux until I found Manjaro. It all just makes so much sense and literally everything is in the AUR.
I LOVE Artix-- but I wish I could use PLANK on it... can't-- no systemd-- unless you have some ideas???
what about void? don't you want to use a distro whose maintainers are soap opera characters?
i have been using Manjaro for quite a while and i'm aware of the vulnerabilities systemd has and i'm trying to install the cinnamon Desktop environment with runit because a friend of mine who uses void xfce said it mimics FreeBSD's system init but the website won't let me download the iso. I want to try it out on my virtual machine so i can check it out and see what it has to offer me.
Your screen recorder looks cool and convenient. What is your screen recorder?
I use Arch AND Ubuntu btw.
Funny part about distro-reviews on YT, liked that 🤣
5:23 how did he jump to start of line to enter sudo?
Full Artix install video when
People focus too much on distros. I could go on about how arch-based systems are best, but honestly just pick something that gives you a functional Linux experience, and watch reviews of programs and software, not distros.