Facing the Cougar FULLY ARMORED: Does it help?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Following multiple requests, here are some testing with the Ballistic Vest. Does it help against the cougar? The answer is... yes, but not in the way you expect. It's a lot to carry around for what it contributes.
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Update: Today (June 28th), Hinterland decided to temporarily remove the cougar and make changes to it, following community feedback. This video may not represent the final state of the cougar.
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Damn, I wanted to get the cougar hat
Yeah, I never got to try it on pilgrim. Had to get to the rifle and now it's gone (something else will return… sigh)
the cougar is finally here! aaaaaand its gone!
Well, I hope Hinterland didn't get hate for how the cougar was implemented. This games community doesn't strike me as one to do that but I know just from reading comments alot of people were hoping the cougar wasn't going to be some event that just kinda happens. We were all thinking it was going to be something that left little hints and stuff around the map that let you know of its presence and that it was going to be a physical thing in the world. It wasn't nearly as immersive as the rest of the game nor did it really fit in, especially with the HUD elements of the cougar and how it gave you an exact timer on when it had a chance of attacking. I'm glad that Hinterland is a studio that listens to its players and is changing it even after such a short release but again, I hope Hinterland didn't get straight up hate/bashed for how it was done.
@@psilobom One word, WEMOD. Just do not use the unlimited items option which is F7, it no longer works and it breaks most all of the other options when you try to use it. Using all other options work if you dont hit F7. All my toons have all the cougar goodies to mess with and so can you, if you want. You will especially like F10, easy crafting, no materials required. You can thank me later, enjoy!!
I can't believe the Cougar literally just teleports on top of you no matter how vigilant or lucky you are..
QTE - gaming innovation of decade /s
They are changing it I think
@@gamingwithnigel7047Yeah, it's already out of the game until next update so they can change it
Which is funny considering thats not how cougars behave at all. They will always ambush they prey, if you spot them they will slowly prowl in like shark circling you and waiting till you drop your guard or turn away, if they get confronted they will then fight back but wont fight for real if they are not starving.
Best example being that one video of guy who is slowly followed by cougar so he has to walk backwards or it would pounce him.
They should have made this cougar like stalking enemy that you can attack and see, but it would camouflage very well or even use trees to ambush you.
No "boss monster" should ever be turned into what amounts to a unwinnable quicktime event. You can only "not lose as badly" and maybe get a shot off.
I think the cat needs to be visible before the attack to give you a chance to avoid the attack entirely, I felt the way they described it in the blog made it sounded like that one lucky shot you get is just before the attack.
I concur. Frankly the risk of death is so high as is that it's not worth the encounter with the cougar for a hat and knife. Severe lacerations is basically three days of sleeping in single hour increments burning through a fat stack of bandages while sitting on deaths door.
It's a good punishment for messing up, but the thing about the cougar attack is since it's a scripted event you don't get to mess up, you have to get mauled to kill it.
@@TheGlenn8
No not really on the long dark forum they said they're removing the couger to rework it
Thinking about it you're actually correct: just by reverting the concpt will make it totally fine for any hardened TLD veteran and make me quit any complaining.
Let the game make 3-5 special cougar sounds like e.g. a special roar, footsteps running towards you, sudden music drop etc. So you know this is the moment where you just have 2 sec (or so) to react quickly scanning the area 180° around you. then the cougar should charge you with the model runnning ultra fast. You only have a fraction of a moment left. If you miss - you get mauled exactly with the same intensity as it is. Done! Now it's a skill issue and not just a random event where you have 0 influence at.
Another idea - killing the cougar will only reset its appearance for half the time. In order to get rid of it for long period you need to destroy its nest.
1. Game became harder; 2. It's a skill issue so "git gud"; 3. You have a quest to destroy the nest now (less boring end game)
@@that-dude4169 Only because the community are rightfully against that decision.
@@Bestow3000Good game designers aren't afraid to try new ideas, then drop the orr iterate on ones that don't work, based on community feedback.
Fought the cougar on full health, all metrics high, while wearing wolfskins, deer hide pants and boots, rabbit hide hat and gloves. Took about 40% off my health, fair reduction in clothing reduction, no need for first aid after, no severe lacerations. Was able to get a shot off with the rifle and drop it in the post attack sequence. I think the overall opinion of the community is that the cougar needs to be a actual in game creature, not a scripted event.
Possible fix to Hinterland from a fan: Cougar approach you within 150 meters, then text message pop up and anxiety settles in (cougar stalks you). After that then distance from cougar and the player breaks 50 meters mark, cougar attacks. Same concept as a darkwalker and a wolf hybrid.
Yet another reason why the ballistics vest is useless. When I go to the prison I don't even bother picking it up, and I pick up every item I run across no matter how much I don't need it. That one? Yeah, it can stay behind bars where it belongs.
Yeah, I figured it wasn't fully baked. Good job taking it out right now.
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The ballistic vest prevents any blood loss in your torso, which is why you don't get any bleeds.
what?
@@radiant_peace8457 you cant bleed from your chest be cuz you have The ballistic vest on
@@Moses-gk7kxwhat?
Makes sense to me somewhat. The cougar seems to do flat damage to health, regardless of armor, but the best may reduce the possibility of blood loss and severe lacerations.
@@beau9334 the vest makes it so you can bleed
If a player is planning on confronting the cougar, and therefore potentially multiple attacks with recuperation days in between, the ballistic vest seems to be tremendously helpful in preserving your other clothing and conveniently preventing bleeding wounds. I don't get "meh" evaluation here by Zak.
For me, it would depend just how much it protects your other clothing. The bleeds aren’t really a big deal if you have bandages on you and the overall damage seems to be the same. But protecting your other clothes from being ruined, that is very appealing.
Yeah, that's my main concern, too. Especially on Stalker I don't want to lose all the amazing clothes I found. I guess on Interloper you could as well just make new bear coats or rabbit mittens, though. But does the protection rating actually help in protecting your clothes, that's not entirely clear to me.
So all the protection gear you can obtain and stack in this game does literally nothing to reduce the damage you get from the cougar, a supposedly endgame enemy? Combined with all the other issues this must be probably the worst set of design choices I've seen in this game so far.
It’s disappointing that armor don’t affect damage dealt. Just another way the cougar ignores established TLD gameplay mechanics.
The lack of blood loss injuries should be because the ballistic vest gives the "armoured" benefit. It prevents the chest, stomach and neck against gaining the blood loss affliction. Although the damage mitigation to health and clothing seems to be ignored...
Doing some test I think vest reduces chance for bleeding and other debuffs but cougar hit still hard
Same as my conclusions, then? :) good to know
@@Zaknafein yes, but I tested the interloper with 99% protection, and I will also add that the new cougar clothes are quite durable and it is not worth repairing them, just harvest the skin and make a new item, just like with the moose coat
@@Lithar1987 nice!
Not only did it teleport through the world and just magically start a cutscene, but it also ignored armor and just did a fixed amount of damage? Erf. It seemed like it could have been one of the few good reasons to bother with armor!
In that third attempt (the one where you died unexpectedly) I think it might have been a wolf that you didn’t see that killed you. Right around when you die you can hear the wolf growl at 4:46 and some pain sounds, which I think might mean that the wolf initiated a struggle after the whole “shoot the cougar” sequence and ended up killing you.
Maybe, I think he may have fell through the ice (considering he was on the ice at the time and it sounded like he fell through)
No, there are no wolves nearby so that wouldnt make sense. The howl is for the wolf by the river. Its also not thin ice so wouldnt be that either.
The cougar coming back to kill you when low health might be a leftover of its early AI, people have spawned the cougar in the console and it had a somewhat working AI, attacking wolves, moose and running from bears.
I'm happy they decided to listen to players and remove it... may be they can implement it like the wolf, but will actively stalk and hunt the player down until the player kill it or leave the zone.
The cougar just seems badly implemented. A great concept that needed work. Glad they’re taking time to do just that.
exactly
Interesting. Hopefully, they will fix it so you can hear it coming, or at least see it for a second before it's on top of you.
I don't think the reason you died at 4:30 is the cougar 'returning' to attack the player, but the game's timescale fasts forwarded after the Struggle ended (and before you were allowed to stand up) and Blood Loss killed you because of your extremely low Condition. This happens for other Struggles, and a few other rare situations where the player faints (e.g. in Wintermute in several places and also Buried Echoes).
Easiest way to see this is by getting into a Wolf struggle right beside a lit campfire, and you can see how far the Campfire's fuel duration (or your Needs) decreases when the struggle ends. I'm not sure how much time fast forwards after a Cougar attack, before you're allowed to stand up again, but you had at least 3 Blood Loss (30% Condition loss per hour), and looks like ~5% Condition remaining, so it might be possible to calculate how long your character faints for from this, or at least the minimum.
Instead of being a new enemy to face with skill and finesse, you get jumped from thin air and mauled within an inch of your life just for the small chance of getting a new headwear and a claw for a better knife.
Not. Worth. It. So glad we can turn it off. But thanks for checking Zak!
As if this game didn't have enough weird ad hoc gameplay quirks already.
Thank god they pulled this. Raphael never normally does things like this... he's.... well, we all know what he is... so I can only assume that a) feedback from the testers was "ZOMG, it's AMAZING" to avoid the wrath of Raph, and ditto the dev team... the feedback from people with no conflict of interest, however, was "Fast And Furious".
The playtesters were for Misery, not for this, to be clear. We had access to the cougar very briefly in advance, but it was not part of the playtest. We gave feedback, but we had the launch build and they werent gonna change that on such short notice. I cant get into the playtesting details, but I can say that I gave some criticism that they listened to and were working on. Based on community feedback, they likely decided it was better to just pull it alltogether
How can you say thank God, yet have a 666 in your name?
@@echothesilent4693 I'm complicated.
TLD is the only game I play. I think Hinterland does an amazing job, but... they really dropped the ball on the cougar. There was SO much anticipation for this addition and it wouldn't have taken much to see what players were hoping for from it. With no ability to hunt it and no opportunity to engage it pre-attack I just don't see what it adds to the experience. It actually seems to run contrary to the basic premise of the game. I love being able to control the game; where I go, how long I stay, how I manage resources and how I survive amongst predators. I keep hearing a line from a Deep Space Nine episode, "Move along home". After watching yours and Dunn's videos I'd already decided to disable it on my runs. It isn't out of fear of it, I just don't like being directed or pushed. This one element completely changes the dynamics. I'm no longer in control of the games progress, the cougar is. In all honesty this has really annoyed me and if they hadn't provided an option to disable it I'd probably be looking for a new game. I sincerely hope Hinterland is listening to all of us. I don't care if the cougar doesn't come back till this time next year as long as it comes back as an actor in my play, not as a director. The soap box is now free.
in a nutshell: cougar = grim reaper
i guess that hinterland ought to create any methods of escaping cougar(like using torch or being safe at fireplace, in case u stayed in the locations for too long), because i find cougar very rough. or make the vest more useful against it
Hope you make a video about your opinion on the cougar (and its subsequent removal)! You usually have good takes and I'm excited to hear yours.
Thank you. I might, but will wait to see if more news develop
It’s a little sad that there isn’t at least a cutscene of the cougar charging at you, like as you whip around and notice it just before it attacks you or something.
Maybe, in game it's bugged, and you're supposed to hear it, but in reality, a cougar can potentially sneak up on you and you wouldn't even know until it's too late.
That was exactly my idea. If you got to get yourself mauled anyway, then this might be an actual genuine use for the vest, which I otherwise find rather useless due to its ridiculous weight. I'm less concerned with damage, though, but more with keeping the rest of my clothes intact. Would protection help with that or is that entirely independent?
Hey man. Love your videos, always find them to be informative and constructive, I know that whenever I watch your videos, I'll learn something new... either about The Long Dark or psychology. Anyways, I'd love to see you playing that new game mode "Misery" and also hear your thoughts on it. Maybe you could play it as a run and see how far you get? I always watch your 500 days videos
Thats the idea. Out soon. And thank you :)
It shouldn’t be ‘unique’ if it’s unique in a bad way. I really appreciate hinterland though.
The more i see from the Cougar the less i want to play with the Settings on . I play on Playstaion and its already pretty hard to hit a moving Target with Controller , but that " 1 Shot Event " after the Cougar attacks you seems like Run ending for Controller Users
Just a little warning to not feel save in cars:
Cougars seem to be able to attack you in cars...happened to me twice on stalker...nearly died from it.
Don't know/think that's intended to happen...
Hahahaha, I was just thinking about this concept if you wear the body armor if it protects you
I LOVED the tuke and sweater u used for 30k subs vid
0:35 3:15... 100%HP + WellFed HP buff. It's interesting that there's no severe lacerations on first struggle and with around 40% HP left...
It might be that the well-fed buff HP might help prevent severe lacerations if you're also at 100% protection, or that the Armored buff from the ballvest helped prevent SevLac and bleed on the chest, neck and stomach areas that were possibly targeted by the cougar during the struggle(or at least that's what the wiki says on the ballvest) by some chance. Once again, the ballvest and its enigma properties...
As for the return for the killing blow, yeah perhaps the cougar has the same coding as wolves where they will attempt to track you down at low hp.
Still, guess Ballvest is now a need *if* cougar items are a must have. That, or you just have to be really, REALLY prepped to tackle it.
Hinterland dropped the ball with this. It could've given people an actual reason to go to Blackrock.
I had it attack me 3 times before I finally got a a bow hit on Interloper (had to heal up in between each time). Had 47% protection with the moose jacket and I didn't get the lacerations all 3 times, so I think protection helps a lot at preventing the injuries from the fight. Also the audio was bugged for me, I didn't hear any of the cougar sounds around the environment and during the attack it was literally just silent. Still think this is the worst possible implementation they could have possibly done. incentivizing the player to let themselves get attacked for a single shot at it is just such terrible backwards design. If it's supposed to be a region wide cabin fever then there shouldn't be a reward for killing it, if you're supposed to be able to kill it then it shouldn't be an event you have to trigger and actually exist in the world somewhere.
Wonder also if the vest slows down your shot after the attack? In the vest statistics, it has a severe movement speed penalty.
I liked we had something that we had to get beat up for, not happy they removed it cause everyone wanted to be invincible constantly
This morning, after updates yesterday evening (June 27), I got the option for the first time, to include the cougar in my current run. I debated hard, but decided to go ahead, because I don’t think on my difficulty setting, I’ll ever see him anyway. Your comment seems to suggest that today he will disappear again. Ironic.
Did a fully armored test too against the Cougar, in Voyageur difficulty, using a maximum protection of 102%, and in the attack, seems like I lost about 40% hp and got no bleed or lacerations. And in other tests, it did take off 50% of my health and gave the debuffs. Not entirely sure how it works, maybe the cougar attack has an already scripted big damage no matter what you're wearing, and the ballistic vest could reduce the changes of getting bleed and/or lacerations.
I heard the Cougar got taken down temporarily for a rework, so maybe all of this will change or stay the same? We will see in due time.
I'm interested to see what they change. . Also, what are the three fire icons at the bottom of the screen? Aren't they new?
Thats Cheat Death and the three chances
They removed the cougar already but didn't say why people didn't enjoy it. Any ideas?
What pc-setup do you use zak?
Ohh.. and here I was thinking dating older survivors with protection would finally be in the long dark?
Aaaaand it’s gone!
Nice beard buddy!
does the cougar stalking resume if you cheat death and respawn in the same region or does it reset?
It continues
@@Zaknafein oh that's horrifying !
Kitty!
If they reimplement the cougar as a actual predator in each reigon and instead make a sort of "cabin fever" associated with it or like a "paranoia" sort of infliction that progressivly gets worse when its in the area would be alot better of a mechanic.
Only giving you warnings until its literally ontop of you as a scripted event just takes away all the immersion of being hunted by something that wants you dead...
Even something like giving the player intense fear and making it harder to aim when the cougar is near you would make it more real feeling
Bruh no way a cougar is scarier than a bear.
@gregoryholtorf7874 Bears don't actively hunt you in the game, the whole point is the cougar is a bigger threat to you then the bears are because it sees you as food. Cougars are carnivores, bears are omnivores.
This is interesting that the cougar does the same damage no matter what your armour is. Just another reason to add to the heap that the cougar implementation was the wrong one and the Cougar Redux is needed. There is literally no action or precaution the player can take to mitigate or respond to the cougar, it's just an RNG affliction with an animation that can kill the player on pure RNG.
I think the Couger should only take interest in you once you start making a dent in the local wildlife like hunting deer/rabbits and maybe wolves? I just think the fact that it just becomes aware of you simply for being there for a certain time is just silly. Especially those who honestly like to settle down in one region and prepare for setting out into another, once you start taking some of it's food sources away it'll start stalking around the region looking for another meal or possibly you but it most importantly should be out there... wandering... stalking.... leaving clues and sounds to mess with your mind until the moment is right to strike, but if you do meet... don't look away and if another predator comes into play while this is happening... good luck!
Can you see if the cougar will attack while standing in the porch of Pleasant valley Homestead with the door closed?
Its been removed so not at the moment
yes it did
Not a big fan of having zero chance to defend yourself. I hope Hinterland changes this or i'll just never turn on the option.
The fact that this long-awaited monster turned out to be what amounts to a timer followed by an unescapable and unwinnable (you can only lose less badly) quicktime event is exceptionally frustrating. I understand the difficulty in accurately programming cougar behavior into a game that is almost completely devoid of physics, and Hinterland has had to make some concessions in the past to get things in the game...but this implementation feels half-assed even by those standards.
How about this: Instead of teleporting the cougar on top of you, teleport it nearby and make it invisible except for its footprints. It moves silently and rapidly, yet freezes in place if you're ever looking directly at it. However, even if looking directly at it, you can't see it. You must keep the invisible cougar in frame for a few seconds, and if you're looking in the right direction, it will fade INTO visibility. However if you're not looking in the right direction, well then the cougar isn't frozen and is probably sneaking up from behind.
The video explaining cougar says if you miss your shot the cougar comes back to kill you
Weird, because in all my testing with the bow it only killed me once. Same in Tomasinas video.
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The cougsr is removed
I don't think lots of ppl get it why most of the community complains about the Cougar. We would conquer and farm it like everything else in looper. Thats would've been just matter of few days. Totally no issuse there. Its just that its badly implemented and porly made. As everyone already stated, way more was expected. Mostly that it does not exist in the world. Just spawns on top of you(QTE)
Lame.
If you can't understand that, well not much can be said there. It was a really good move to remove it and work on it more. Frankly if it would stay the same it would be better to scrap it. Really interested to see how its gonna look in the end.
Now watch as the community makes the cougar just another timberwolf
not necessarily. There is Old Bear which Hinterlands can repurpose. I know the attacks by the Old Bear were probably scripted to certain locations. But the game could just spawn the cougar in character vicinity and start the attack. In fact I faced few wolves spawn. Recently the one spawned in the new map in front of me just about 100 or 200 meters from me. The game knows what direction is your character looking. So the cougar can spawn behind you.
Unavoidable QTE (want to see cougar) bodes well in open and free roaming world...
i had TB wolves spawn in front of me during an aurora, so yeah not too far fetch@@acada6594
Please do a run on misery difficulty 😊
Coming tomorrow
@@Zaknafein awesome! Thank you!
And now they are pulling it lol
Its sad that they are pulling it until the next update , but i do believe its fare , since u should be able to do something else than just sit there waiting to get jumped by it.
@@adventurer7579 Yes. Check the pinned comment
@@adventurer7579 yep they are gonna work on it
@@Bardo-ln8ycthey said on forums they are removing it for a couple weeks to tweak, not till next update
comment for the algorithm anyway 🙂
I’m certainly not against the way they’ve implemented it, but for an average player like myself, it does currently look like a certain run-ender, which might just put most people off even trying it. It should be hard, absolutely, but not unfair.
comment for the algorithm
Nope not gonna enable the Cougar in any of my runs
always use protection with Cougars Zak
Makes sense to remove cougar once and for all, there are no cougars around mystery lake area in canada. Even if you look at historic pre extinction data map they never went that far up north.
Cougars are smart animals thats why they prefer westcoast as roaming area today.
No definitive place is given for where TLD takes place besides being in Canada and on an island up there.
@@doms6907 you know exactly where it is in canada so do i, dont play dumb you are just racist and dont want any foreigners visit canada
It’s really lame they just made the cougar spawn on top of you. Was really hoping you would catch it sneaking up on you behind rocks, or quickly dashing behind cover when you try and spot it. How could they introduce one of the coolest animals with the absolute lamest feature possible?
people complaining about it being disabled due to backlash (that was warrented)... tell me when it your right mind would you allow after the first time, having to expose yourself to an auto attack , you get warnings that its coming so its not even a surprise anymore, maybe jumpscare the first time if you didn't know, have to do a shooting slow time event and if you miss have to wait again and only counter is having full on body armor, additionally it spawns in a random location in a HUUUUUUGEEEEE map and have to use the exploding "cans to take it out " the den only to stop a timer. You can't hunt the creature in the wild, the mechanic is outright atrocious, the wait time on lower difficulties its weeks just to try, rather play nightwalker which is outright scarier than this piece of sh!t. After getting banned on steam for attacking a person bot, I have little tolerance for this BS after defending hinterland for long. I was going to turn this off when I heard how bs the mechanic was so they did us a favor.
Im very dissapointed. This seems like a first half assed addition to the game from hinterland. Its very poorly implemented.
Theres a reason thry pulled it back out until they could finish it. XD
first... scurvy, cabin fever, wolfs spam almost everywhere, travois buggy and basically broken. And many other smaller bugs and nags, persisting and constantly breaking runs immersion, "fun" etc.
They shoulde remove those st*pid housecat sounds, make it spawn in wooded areas or some logical ambush site like 20-30 feet away so the players have a chance to kill it before the attack.
And they shoulde remove the warning symbols/music and add footprints, droppings or hair patches of it around the area so you know that its around.
I mean its an apex predator that choses the place of an attack so i dont think that it woulde charge you in an open field. If i was a cougar i woulde attack at dawn or in bad weather conditions...
This is a bad aggression type. I hope they change this it is hinterland so no changes will come for another year. Not playing for another year i guess o7
I honestly can’t believe this half baked mechanic made it into the game, it spawns in front of you randomly, ignores armor, and is just a buggy mess in general
All I have to say is that I'm disappointed by the cougar. Real life cougar attacks almost always have warning. The simple fact that the animal just magically appears is immersion breaking and I will not be enabling it. Lots of hype for a poor implementation.
Tbh none of content added in the expansion is worth being a separate paid dlc.
Nope. The only thing that works is bitching and moaning about it so hard that it gets nerfed. 0:36
Oh hey, they decided to fix their piss poor quick time event😅
I'm interested to see what they change. . Also, what are the three fire icons at the bottom of the screen? Aren't they new?
Extra lives basically. If you die you can basically respawn with some of your gear, some debuffs, and a chance to recover some of what was lost.