I work in the RV industry and the 7.3 gasser has been replacing the Triton V10 in most ford chassis motor homes. I gotta say there is a noticeable upgrade in torque and these have no issue getting up to highway speed. I would take the 7.3 all day. It's the best non-diesel option out of ANY manufacturer.
Those of us who can't afford a brand new truck have the older sierra/silverados with a vortec 8.1. It took Ford a long time to make something even remotely close
I have the 7.3 in my 2022 class A on the F53 chassis. I’ve owned three motorhomes with the V10. Everything about the 7.3 is BETTER. Over 35,000 miles and I average 1.5 miles per gallon MORE than my LIGHTER MOTORHOMES with the V10. Better torque and quieter. Over 35,000 miles across 35 states and different conditions and I’ve averaged 9.4 mpg total.
We have the 7.3 in our class C and have crossed the continental divide with it s number of times . even without turbo charger it has ample power at high altitudes. Gets about 11 mpg on level ground. It's a great engine.
I got the diesel because I love diesels. Some people want to justify why you should/shouldn’t buy gas or diesel, large or small pickups. Yes, I know I don’t need a diesel, but I wanted it and I could afford it, so I bought it. Isn’t capitalism great!
All of the modern push-rod gas engines are really impressive compared to 20 years ago. The 7.3 Godzilla, the 6.4 Hemi, and the 6.6 LT are all well built durable, dependable engines. I agree that most people don’t really need a diesel, even though they think they do. We have a ranch operation in Montana and we have replaced all the diesels with gas. If it takes two trips with the gas, you’re right, it’s still cheaper than operating the diesel.
Lots of ranchers in my area of Southern NM have also switched a lot of thier Diesels with Gas rigs. Not saying they don’t still use diesel but for daily operations Unleaded trucks with big engines are filling a void and cutting some ranch operations cost. I resale fuel to most of these ranches so I’ve seen the pattern.
I gave my 22 yr old V10 F250 to my son after i bought the 7 3 zilla. My V10 never broke down, pulled everything i threw at it. The 7.3 is awesome. Very impressed so far.
My brother has been a diesel fan since his first 7.3 IDI. He currently has a 6.7 Powerstroke and needed another heavy hauler. After pricing the 6.7 PS vs the 7.3 Godizilla (initial price, maintenance, mileage, etc) he ordered a 7.3.
im running my 2021 f350 with the 7.3 as a hot shot truck. total weight is 25800. pounds. getting 9 to 11 mpg and now have 150k miles on it with not an issue. the truck tows 99% of the time. been a nice truck
@@erikkovacs3097 Yes and no. When you go to sell you will get more then the comparable gas, but you also paid a lot more up front too. Not that long ago I saw someone post numbers of resale value per KBB and the 7.3 gas actually lost less value then the diesel. Truck pricing is a crazy world these days.
@@edandrade4002 You do pay more up front, yes but the depreciation is less. Depreciation is the largest cost of ownership. So as a percentage of the spread increases to the point that my 18 year old Dodge diesel is worth 100% more than the same year Dodge Hemi. Sometimes there are weird market conditions like we're living in right now and you may see some weird things like the 7.3 gas depreciating less or exemptions like the 6.4 powerstroke but on the average, historically diesels depreciate less.
I have a 22 F350 7.3 with 4.3 gears long bed. Getting a 31 foot 5th wheel. I obviously didn't buy this for MPG. I had a 21 HD2500 with the diesel. When I was pulling a 29 ft 5th wheel with a full DEF tank I got a message that I had 50 miles of DEF left. Within 20 miles truck went into limp mode. Interesting experience on the interstate while towing. Had it repaired and traded to a gas. Loved the power of the diesel bur very very happy with the 7.3.
Congrats on the 7.3, and thanks for the input. DEF and the EPA didn't help the diesel engine at all. I still remember when the 12 valve cummins one of the best, put out 170 hp and 400 lbs of torque, and the 454 gasser put out 255 hp, and 400 lbs of torque and it was more than enough. My 13 6.7 had so many def issues, and others in between. heck I had a 21 sd with the 6.7, but now, I like the simple beefyness of this engine. Our 5th wheel is only a 34 ft 12k, I know it will do great. No def, a buck a gallon cheaper. It made sense for me in many ways, and I don't regret it at all either. Drive safe out there.
@@sleeeper88 and it’s your fault that you missed the part where he said he had a full tank of DEF! It was a faulty reading, just like the way you read that comment 😉
I’m 60 and I’ve had my 2021 F250 / 7.3 / 10 spd for 3 years now and it has been absolutely trouble free!!! Without a doubt best truck I’ve ever owned!!
I agree with you. I own a 15 Ram 2500 with tye 6.4 hemi. It's the Tradesman, so it's the bottom level trim. I ordered it with a 4.10 gearing and 4x4. They say the towing capacity is 18.5k. When I do tow, it's barely 11k. Tractor, bushhog, disc harrows, and the trailer. It performs great. I really like that Ford you got there. Good looking truck.
Thanks, my uncle is a ram guy also and after 25 years of diesels he switched to a big horn 2500 6.4. He pulls his gooseneck with either a skidsteer or a larger backhoe. He said that also it's a little slower up the mountain with the max load, he said everything else when towing its no sweat. He loves the move to gas. I grew up ram and I think they have a great looking truck and I had several tradesmen and their base truck is still nicer feeling and equipped than a gm or Ford base in feel. Thanks for posting, hearing from other owners like you really do help people with decisions on their next truck. Drive safe out there.
The Godzilla is an amazing engine and you’re spot on with your review. We tow our 11,500 pound 5th wheel without any issues. By the way I had to do a double take when you pulled into my neighborhood. Apparently we are neighbors! 😂
Hey, that's gonna be handy. You guys will be able to compare notes on recalls. Especially the failed camshaft lifter Problem that is starting to arise. , Can't wait to see those videos.
I’m a diesel fan (F450) and I tow a 43 foot toy hauler as a full time RVer. If I wasn’t a full timer I’d probably still buy the diesel, because there’s no substitute for driving a mini locomotive. Lol. I sure can respect the modern gas engine though. Maybe when my full time days are over and I’m not towing as much I’ll take one for a test drive. I appreciate seeing what people think about the different motors and trucks in general, and I really enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Good , honest , real world review . Well done. Too many people don’t realize that when you add features , you decrease payload/ towing numbers. The hero truck everyone advertises that tows 35,000-37,000 lbs is a bare bones truck that in reality no one wants. I’ve heard great things about the 7.3 gas Motor, 👍
Bare bones means less shit to go wrong which means better reliability. Every vehicle I own I specifically chose because they were as simple as possible.
well when you have to sell it that won't pay off. Nobody wants to buy a bare truck second hand so you can only sell yours with a hefty discount and how much of it does really go wrong. People are willing to pay for a feature that's there but doesn't work because you can fix it. Retrofitting an option is a much bigger deal. I owned and flipped a few cars over the time and that is what simply my experience tells me.
Heard about them wiping cams like the GM and Dodge pushrod engines have been doing for 20 years now. Took Ford stepping backwards with pushrods to join the club.
I just bought the same truck but in silver. I love it so far. The xlt had all the features I wanted so I saved some money not getting the lariat. We tow a 28’ TT and can’t wait to hook it up to this truck. I previously owned a 2012 f150 with the 3.5 engine. I loved that truck and had no problems with the motor. I was within the safe towing limits for my truck with the trailer but you could tell the truck was working. I feel like the f250 with the 7.3l is a more solid platform for towing that size trailer.
I have the same length trailer with a 7500# GVWR, and tow it with my '95 F250 with 7.3 liter Powerstroke. It does quite well. Your new one with 7.3l gas should tow & perform like a dream. Enjoy! I disagree with those saying you can use a half-ton for towing trailers in that weight range. STOPPING is just as important, or more so, than going uphill at 60+ mph. I'm happiest when the trailer weight is 50-80% of the truck's rated tow capacity. I do not like the tail-wagging-the-dog scenarios.
I have a ‘21 7.3 with 36k. No issues. Love the motor. Love the sound. 14.5 mpg around town. Haven’t towed much except a heavy utility trailer with a ATV.
I have a 21' F250 with the 7.3! I love it!! I use it for my home improvement business, hauls my tool trailer and 16 foot 14k dump trailer. I'm at 51,000 trouble-free miles.
I just hit 11,000 on my 22 7.3 and it has been great so far! I’ve had a lot of weight in the bed so far but not much towing yet however it feels so solid and planted, you can’t tell the weight is there. It’s great to see that others are enjoying the engine as much as i am and I hope you have many more enjoyable miles out of the truck!
I agree. I built mine online as an XLT F350 Superduty, 14,000 GVWR. 7.3 gas/10speed combo, crew cab, 8' box, 4WD, heavy front suspension, dually, with gooseneck hitch. My only other splurges were the all around camera system, upfitter switches, spray-on bedliner and folding bed cover. All in all an amazing combination of power, function and utility without all the fluff...not even carpeting, all for under $57K!! My brother, a diesel mechanic of 35+ years steered me away from the diesel option as I don't tow heavy often enough to warrant it. He was absolutely correct as the maintenance and upfront cost can't be made up without towing for a living. The fuel mileage difference is negligible as well, given the difference in fuel cost. I pull a 32', 12 ton deckover gooseneck trailer full of heavy equipment on occasion, with no power issues at all...not even in the hills, thanks to the 10 speed. Although empty, it rides like a lumber truck, I couldn't be more happy with it.
Like you had any choice but the "7.3 gas/10speed combo" and dually and 8-foot "bed" ("Chevy guys" tend to call it a "box" which still HAS a "bed" i.e. the box floor) and 14.000 GVWR and crew cab and...everything else in that "build" besides the "options" that really have nothing to do with how much "truck" it is at all.
A "folding bed cover" on a dually with a gooseneck and "upfitter switches" and "all around camera system" aren't "fluff"? That's funny. Especially since your "new" truck is really just a 2022 "carryover" and in less than six months Ford should be shutting down to "retool" to begin 2024 model-year production but still has "2022/2023 Super Duty" on the website you "built" it on and your "new" truck is and probably has been "built" already and months and months ago and is one of the thousands of "new" Ford pickups sitting at the "factory" waiting for the "chip shortage" and other "supply chain issues" to be "resolved" so they can be delivered and sold as "new" to suckers like you that think "under $57k" is some kind of "deal" on a "new" truck that is less than 6 months from being a "year old" by model year AND probably by "calendar year" by the time it's "delivered". Not to mention that "new" truck and "new" engine is "substantially unchanged" since "2020" and "technically" as well as "technologically" going to be 5+ years old by "introduction date". What axle ratio and interior color and paint color did you "build" it with? You know. The few major "options" you can actually "build" one with and that will have major effects on "resale value"?
Fuel mileage has nothing to do with fuel cost and you will not "save money" with a gas-burner so-called "big-block" that needs a 10-speed auto and 4.30 gears for maximum "performance" and doesn't produce HALF as much TORQUE and actual "pulling power" as a 6.7 PowerStroke that is "twice the truck" AND makes more torque at half the engine speed and blows away that "big-block" in "rear-wheel horsepower" because it does not need a 4.30 gear AND a 10-speed auto for "towing" - only Fordtards without the "resources" to buy real heavy-duty work trucks and that only "occasionally" hook to a single trailer they ALWAYS claim is just HUGE constantly and yet act like they're special and really achieving and accomplishing something doing it "successfully" and without any "trouble" with their NEW or NEAR-NEW pickups they brag about in new truck "review" video comment sections they wouldn't be watching and reading IF they actually had the "experience" with light-duty "trucks" and "big" trailers they claim to have refer to PULLING TRAILERS as "towing", lol - and you sure as fuck didn't "build" a new Ford Super Duty with a "gooseneck" you're going to "occasionally" pul...I mean "tow" any "32'" and "12 ton" trailer that's "over and under loaded" that isn't also "half full" at most if by "over and under loaded" you mean "double-decked" for livestock i.e. hogs or sheep going to "market" since I know damned good and well from personal experience its possible to get 52 head of fat hogs - 230-lb. average - on a 24-foot Titan stock trailer with the "bull package" and with a single RWD 1st-gen Dodge Cummins 3-speed auto "combo" 4WD single-cab, 5000+ lb. trailer and "payload" that too is "12 tons" and it only takes 160 horsepower and 400 lbs. of DIESEL TORQUE AND A 3.08 AXLE RATIO TO GET AND KEEP IT AT "HIGHWAY SPEED" UP AND DOWN SOUTHEAST NEBRASKA HILLS ON 2-LANE HIGHWAYS THAT DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 10-15 MILES OF "STRAIGHT" AND/OR "LEVEL" ROAD ON THEM BETWEEN TOWNS, INTERSECTIONS ETC. BRAGGING ABOUT "TOWING" ON ANY "FREEWAY" AND NEVER "OFF ROAD" AND IN AND OUT OF "FARMYARDS" AND PASTURES AND HAY FIELDS AND OTHER PLACES WHERE ONLY IDIOTS WOULD "BUILD" A 4-DOOR 8-FOOT BED DUALLY TO "TOW" WHEN ANYBODY WITH A CLUE KNOWS THE MORE YOU NEED TO "TOW" THE LESS "TRUCK" YOU WANT AND 2WD REGULAR CAB DUALLIES ARE THE "BIGGEST" AND "BEST" TRUCKS FOR "TOWING" ON THE "OPEN ROAD" AND IN AND OUT OF "POPULATED AREAS" POSSIBLE AND PROVIDE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE "PAYLOAD" PER POUND OF GCWR - GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT RATING AKA "TOW VEHICLE" AND TRAILER TOGETHER - IS A SURE SIGN THE BRAGGER HAS MORE DOLLARS THAN SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO "TOW RIGS" AND COULDN'T MAKE A DIME "HOT SHOTTING" WITH HIS "TOW RIG" IF HIS LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
WTF is a "32', 12 ton deckover trailer" and what is "full" and "heavy" about "towing" 12 measly "tons" on - or is it "in" - and including that big of a trailer? If it has tandem duals and is a "beavertail" the trailer alone weighs 3 tons or thereabouts. So what is the other 9 tons? And what the hell is impressive about that? In my neck of the woods we put 14 "full size" round bales of alfalfa and prairie hay on 30-footers and that's "towing" well over 12 tons of PAYLOAD on top of 6000 pounds of trailer and 8000 pounds of "tow rig". 40,000 lbs. total on SRW trucks isn't uncommon and that's in and out of farm and hay fields and yards and up and down rock/gravel/dirt roads and a damn sight steeper hills and sharper curves than you'll ever get that "tow rig" you "built" on/in/up/down, lol. Of course we also use diesel and REAL big-block gas V8 trucks to do it. And even some small-blocks.
I think you are 99% correct here BUT… The only thing for me is running up and down large grades the diesel makes things easier and the engine brakes are really really nice, especially on the Cummins. My RV maxed out fully loaded is 14k and rolling up steep grades and back down in the intermountain west is breeze in a diesel truck. I’m not saying you can’t do that in a 7.3 because you absolutely can. I’m saying the diesel makes me feel more confident on the up and the down. The cost and maintenance on a diesel is not cheap so I do most of the things I can myself. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, that's where I'd want a diesel too. You have to really want one, or tow very often to take advantage of it. With the modern emissions equipment, and today's cost of fuel the incentive to go diesel is severely diminished. 20 years ago you were practically dumb to not go diesel.
@@the305hauler the 7.3 engine brake is "ok" but it's vastly inferior to a diesel exhaust brake... and the 7.3's engine brake tends to be sticky- takes upwards of 200 yards to start upshifting once you hit the flat, regardless of throttle
This was my exact thought process and research result for my new truck purchase. A year into owning my '22 F350 Lariat long bed, I'm very happy with my decision to get the Godzilla over the diesel, for all the reasons you stated.
I got a 2020 F-350 7.3L Godzilla dually in the Mac Edition. And I absolutely luv the truck. I tow my 38 ft. Boat with the truck and u cannot even tell that I am pulling the boat.
My old 6.0 has over 200,000 miles and the new owner still loves it. I've tried buying it back several times but nope. When it came time to replace the EGR cooler (at 128,000), he decided not to delete. Just updated the oil pump, new cooler and valve. Have yet to replace an injector and still rides straight and smooth. Oil changes are regular,I did my own and he does to. Replace both fuel filters every oil change. That truck has been a wonderful truck and I wish I never sold it.
Awesome video. I haven’t driven a 7.3 gas truck yet. I took a big ass Uhaul towing a 1990 Honda accord from LA to Phx. It had the 6.8 v10. At the legal speed limit in California, 55 mph, it was getting 13 miles to the gallon, fully loaded and towing once we got into Arizona that engine had no problem cruising with that load at almost triple digit speeds but only getting 8 mpg at 80 mph. I must say my 2000 F250 super duty 7.3 powerstroke will always hold a dear place in my heart and I think it was even stronger pulling then the V 10 6.8, but it was definitely close I’m not sure I would ever be able to give any love to the 7.3 gas engine maybe someday I’ll have the opportunity to romp on one as a loaded moving truck. 👍
7.3, 5.0, and the 3.0 dmax are the only engines i would go with right now. I miss GMs old 6.0 regardless of what ppl say about its lack of power. The 6.2 ford and gm are decent, and the 6.4 isnt trash, but the entire industry leaves a lot to be desired right now.
I am 57 years old and have been money smart my entire life to a point that I am more than financial secure now. Part of this was made possible by buying vehicles far less than I could afford, buying used, and driving them 15 to 20 years. As I approach retirement in the next 10 years or so, I finally decided to buy what I wanted without compromises as this truck was likely going to be my last. I fell in love with diesel years ago when I purchased a used tractor and experienced the low rpm torque and power. I haul heavy occasionally but also wanted to be prepared for a potential 5th wheel traveling the country. I purchased a new F350 SRW CCLB Platinum 6.7 (3,846 Payload). I also liked the 6.7's proven track record and knowing it could quietly purr down the highway hauling at 1,500 to 2,000 RPM rather than 4,000 to 4,500. This was obviously not a financial analysis based decision. It was one that would make me happy driving down the road without any more "wish I had" thoughts. In summary, I was finally able to reward myself rather than watching my Benjamins as I have earlier in life when buying a 7.3 gasser would have been the right choice (if it was available then).
I had a 20 7.3 and now have a 6.7. I drive hills with my 5er often. The diesel slows it down much better. It pulls hills much better. The service cost is part of owning any vehicle. Keeping my family safe is worth every penny to me.
Gas or diesel, I've got both. I've got a 7.3 diesel and an f-350 4x4 crew with the V-10. The 7.3 has been and continues to be a STELLAR performer. 21 years and no issues. I got the F-350 because I wanted the 4x4. I went with the gasser because I was tired of hearing my wife gripe about the diesels noises. I love the V-10. It's a brute, pulls better than the 7.3, and the maintenance is so much less. The mileage is crappie, but it's what I would expect with the weight I'm pulling. I couldn't agree more, think hard about what your intentions are and buy accordingly. Don't reflexively overlook the gasser because it's a gas engine. I bet you would be pleasantly surprised.
Not just that, you can replace the engine cheaper than you can replace the injection system on the diesel. No Brainer unless your towing havy everyday or long hailing.
If you know how to treat a diesel, you wont have that problem for 20years. I just traded a 6.4 and no fuel issues, because I know what I'm doing. All origional.
@Kreuzritter Gottes I agree with you on that I have 3 with each over 400,000 and basically done nothing but glow plugs and basic stuff. Haven't touched an injector on 2 out of 3. Comparison today is the cost and maintenance of the diesel vs. gas. I can't see paying the extra unless I was maxing out payload everyday and long hauling. The cost analysis doesn't support the diesel for most people.
My 2001 F250 with the 7.3 Power stroke is probably the last truck I'll ever own. After it hit 200,000 miles, it got a full.suspension rebuild/upgrade with 4 inch lift and 18 in wheels with 35 in tires. At 250,000 miles it got new injectors, upgraded turbo, HPOP, radiator, intercooler, and a hydra. Not including maintenance I'm still under $45000 total investment. I get 22-27 on the highway, and can run past any stock truck made today. $75000 for a new truck is just outrageous. I'm at 330,000 miles and I think the transmission will be next, so that will put me over $50000 total investment.
Nice vid! Similar to my thought process between choosing 3.0L Duramax and gas F150 (I wasn’t bound to a brand). Even in Bc where diesel is about price of 93 (not too much worse than 87), the price/use/maint/etc made a gas-engine a clearer choice. Lots of folks simply say “ya gotta have a diesel” and they’re definitely cool, lol! But these modern gas engines are pretty amazing.
A couple things that people do not put in their videos when comparing gas and diesel engines are; one- the recoup of that cost when selling that exact truck, and two- the convenience of having a diesel. It’s easy to list the extra items that need addressed when having a diesel like Def systems and fuel filters. At the same time, when towing a larger trailer or camper it is nice to be able to pull into a truckstop area and not have to go to a gas pump that is so constricted. It’s also nice to not have to stop every two hours when towing a sizable trailer. if you’re driving any grades the exhaust break is super helpful and saves your breaks tremendously. It’s also nice not to have your engine go at 4500 RPM. I tow about 15,000 miles per year at an average of 12,000 pounds. I don’t think your 18,000 pound cut off is necessarily appropriate. I also think the hundred days a year is not appropriate. I have found that the cost of ownership between a gas and a diesel is a wash. By the time you sell that truck you will recoup what added up front you will have. The worth of these vehicles are relative to their cost…meaning you are not out 10k when you buy diesel trucks. The truck is worth more than it’s gas comparison. This all being said, like you said, know your purpose! If you drive many miles, diesels are known to retain value and it might be a better option. Like I already mentioned, there are more variables than days/year towing and weight. My $0.2
I got rid of all my diesels. I do auto transports. The cost of maintenance and general issues I sold them all. My oldest truck right now is a 07 ram 2500 with 200k (og powertrain) I also have a a 12 f350 with 6.2 with 476k. The motor was replaced at 315k. It cost me $5000. That is less than the 6.7 option and still not 30qt oil changes, def, and other maintenance items. Business wise I have not looked back.
I have this same truck with the 6.7. I'm sure there's a bit of confirmation bias among diesel owners like me, but towing over the Rockies, Sierras and several summits over the past four years with it (Eisenhower, Monitor, Echo, Teton, Million Dollar Hwy) I'm good with my choice. I feel like many of these videos miss a major piece of useful info for prospective buyers. Sure all these modern engines do quite well going UP, but not much is said about engine braking on these gas vs. diesel videos. It's hard to explain this sense of security and safety to anyone who hasn't experienced a truck towing over 10,000 lbs slowing itself down (without brakes) at highway speeds on an 8% grade. If you've got your family along, you'll really appreciate it. If you live in the Midwest or Florida and never venture far from home, the V8s are more than sufficient. If you live in the west, prepare to ride (overheat) the brakes on the way down with sweaty palms on even the mildest grades. Yes, it's a big pill to swallow on a new purchase, and the maintenance is a bit higher. I would never wager my loved one's safety on overinflated concerns about fuel filters and DEF.
Good video. 14,000 miles of 22’ 7.3 F350 and I am satisfied: Daily driver, contractor running all over the city… I tow a TT under 10K less than 25% of the time and I live in the hills and mountains. 1. Cheap Oil Changes 2. STEERING is so much better than the diesel. 3. Love the lighter front end on the streets: 700lbs lighter than diesel I was told. 14L/100km hwy 19L/100km city After owning the The crew cab 4x4 F150’s honestly they suck towing anything above 7000lbs. They are just too light on the chassis and suspension, tail waggin the dog. Engines and trannies are great though. Have a good time out there!
I have a 2022 F-250 Lariat (power everything, leather seats, bed liner, 12,000 lb. winch, and Tremor package with 4.30:1 axels) with the 7.3 Godzilla. I'm just over 17000 miles and last week I did a mileage check on a 100 mile round trip that wasn't all freeway during which I averaged 15.5 mpg. That is huge when compared to my 2001 F250 extra cab XL 4x4 with the 5.4 and 3.73 gears that averaged 11.5 mpg. I absolutely love the 7.3 Godzilla.
Well said. I'm done with deisel just from the extra def and maintaince costs. And you forgot to mention if this brake and a desel how much it costs. My next welding rig will be a gas but not sure if gm or ford
I got a 2012 crew cab long bed 6.0 vortec silverado. Hollowed the cats eliminated the resonator got cold air intake and flowmaster muffler and threw a tune on it. I'm at about 420 hp with 430 ft lbs of torque 12 mpg truck has 257,337 miles on it and pulls 16,000 lbs almost every day. Truck cost 14,000 to buy , I will definitely be getting another one. I definitely agree that if you can use a gaser then use one. I had an 02 duramax before and the maintainance sucks , I sure to miss the 19 mpgs though
How's the Tremor holding up with the towing you do? I'm gonna be looking at one but I also deal with the salt river canyon and wondered how it pulled it in the summer with the ac running. I'll be towing between 10 and 12,000.
Agreed! They sell knockoffs on Amazon for $45 that work awesome! I have one on my 2019 F250 and I’m putting one on my 2022 7.3 when I get it next week. They are awesome. Just like putting a great trigger on a gun.
2024 F350 with 7.3L gas burner. 12k miles so far. I don’t need diesel as I don’t haul every day - just occasionally cattle trailer. I love my gas burner. It has all the power I need.
I've had a 2016 F150 5.0 since new. I pull a travel trailer and it does it, but is at the top of what I want to pull with it. Ordered a 23 F250 with the 7.3.
I have the Godzilla in my 2023 Thor Outlaw 29J Class C RV, and it produces amazing power and torque in a heavy RV. When I go up steep hills, I don't lose power anymore. No more deasel big rigs passing me on steep hill and going down the highway. That's a thing in the past.
After watching this video it gives me more relief that I ordered a 2023 diesel. I actually get 22mpg on the highway driving 65. And have zero issues with towing. Complete confidence.
I’m 65. I grew up in the era of Muscle Cars. They rules the earth and now they are dinosaurs that people still want! I mean who doesn’t like the Challenger SRT? When they came out with TWO keys I was amazed. Haha. Who doesn’t like a HEMI? Who doesn’t like a Vette LT2 V8? (My buddy has one and it is a ROCKET). Who doesn’t like a 5.0 Mustang? “Hey fellas have you heard the news? You know that Annie's back in town? It won't take long just watch and see How the fellas lay their money down…” Replace the name Godzilla for Annie and you can go back to Muscle Car Days with a 7.3. It is SO MUCH FUN TO DRIVE THIS TRUCK. This thing has REAL NUTS and you better be ready for it. That’s STOCK!! People say you can push 700hp pretty easily out of this. I know I’m not going to do that to mine because I can’t spend that kind of money playing BUT I also can play just fine in the stick configuration. Go beg a ride in one. Go trounce on that exhilarator and you will know what I mean. This engine snarls. As is. No modifications. I love the sound too. Every morning I start up in my driveway and do a 360 safety walk around. But I stop at the tailpipe! Haha. I just love a great V8. My boss used to drive diesel Super Duty trucks. Now he’s in a brand spanking new pretty F-150 Lariat with a 2.7 squirrel cage motor. It’s fast and it gets 21mpg on highway when he’s not jamming the turbos. He teases me “your truck is too rough on the road, you don’t need that big engine, you ain’t towing 15,000 pounds, blah blah blah blah blah!” You know what my answer to him is I LIVE IN AMERICA DAMMIT I CAN DRIVE ANYTHING I CAN PAY FOR I bought this truck not to tow. I could use an F-150 for anything I’m going to tow. Almost. The reason I bought this truck is simple. One thing. The 7.3 Godzilla motor. I am old school V8 all the way and Ford did something spectacular with this motor. I am so happy I bought it. Another buddy at work has the 6.7. I put him behind the wheel of my truck going to lunch a week ago. On a straightaway I said PUNCH IT. I know his truck will run like a scalded ape so I know he wasn’t going to wreck my truck. He dutifully complied and punched it. He whistled when he backed off and smiled at me. He has a Vette. He knows my truck can haul ass. So - I’m just a voice in the wind here. Talking about the Great Godzilla. I was SOLD ON THIS ENGINE the day Ford announced it. I waited until 2022 to make sure there were no kinks in it. I have 25k miles and many of those miles made me smile as I drove it. Old school baby. Old school.
Great review, I agree completely. I’ve got a 2020 Crewcab Lariat w the 7.3 and it’s been fantastic, so much better than the 6.2 6 spd when towing, it’s not the no brainer experience a diesel is when pulling uphill, but it’s not stressful either, my payload is 3061 lbs on the sticker, so a normal Lariat doesn’t add too much weight.
I’ve said it for a long time, over the long run you’re better off with a petrol engine over a diesel, especially with all their associated issues as you mentioned. Here in Australia petrol (gas) is about 40 cents per litre cheaper than diesel. In 2020 I bought a brand new Toyota landcruiser fitted with the 4.5 litre TD V8 and it’s bloody expensive to run. I wish I’d kept my 4.8 litre petrol Nissan patrol. I look forward to your fuel economy video. Cheers
I have a '22 F250 7.3 and love it. I pull a 38' 5th wheel Travel Trailer that weighs less than 12,000 pounds with no problems. No problem getting on the freeway either. Hit the gas and it goes.
For loads around 10K and under without a large front surface a gas will do fine. Once you start towing heavy and/or something with a lot of wind resistance the diesel is a complete night and day difference in capability and comfort compared to the gas. I used to think a gas was just as capable but after I actually bought a new diesel and started towing with it I wondered why I didn't switch sooner. Yeah it costs more but it makes towing (especially longer distances) so much easier, plus the exhaust brake will take a load off your brakes.
Excellent excellent!!!! That's just what I tell them, you hit all the good points. The dollar/ mile deal is something that a lot of people are not seeing it
For a moment I thought someone stole my truck until I saw the sliding rear window. I have about 100 lbs less payload. I’m getting around 13.1 mpg. I love my truck.
I actually called my truck the general answer found a place to make the general 7.3 decals. I thought about getting the gozilla ones and may still if these dont last long
Good looking truck, bought my F-250 in early 2018. Wanted a diesel so bad, thank goodness I got the 6.2. Drove it out the dealer five years ago and never been back, all I've ever done is change oil every spring. Now I live up north in PA so I don't drive it during the winter months. They put salt on the roads and that will destroy a vehicle, pushing close to twenty thousand on mine now. Been a great truck.
The nice thing about diesels is you don't really feel what you're towing a lot of times. It's the same amount of power in almost all situations. Also because it's significantly heavier I find you have more wiggle room for miss-loading the trailer
I DIDN'T skip it. I purposely traded in my 2019 F-250 XLT (Premium trim level) truck just to get the new 7.3L Godzilla motor and 10 speed trans. It took me 8 months of searching the entire Connecticut Ford inventory to find my 2020 F-350 Lariat 7.3L/10 speed and I don't regret it for a moment. I had the 5.4L/5 speed in my 2010 F-250 XLT and the 6.2L/6 speed in both my 2017 F-250 XLT and the aforementioned 2019 F-250 XLT (Premium trim level) along with all these motors in our trucks at work. The Power Stroke diesel has GOBS of power and torque BUT, the 7.3L Godzilla does everything I need it to do and then some. Great vid.
Great video. I just picked up a certified '22 F350 Tremor Lariat Ultimate 7.3l a few hours ago at a great savings over new. I brought my car trailer and my wife's Cayenne diesel with me (since it was about 90 minutes away) and towed the Cayenne home. I was very happy with the towing (albeit only 7000 lbs) and was pleasantly surprised when it got 10.7 MPG on the 80 mile trip back through hilly Pennsylvania. The 7.3l with the 4.30 gears has surprising low end torque for an N/A motor.
Congrats on the new rig! I appreciate the feedback, hope you subbed.....big news coming tomorrow on the channel. I believe and hope you will continue to enjoy the zilla, it's a beast!
I just bought my second 7.3L because of all the points you mentioned. First one was a 2020 f350 dually. Second is a 350 SRW. The first one blew my mind. Between turbos, DEF, injectors and maintenance there is absolutely no reason to buy a diesel unless your towing big boy equipment every other day.
Even then diesel still not necessary, I own a construction company and tow day in and out everyday heavy and the gas has been great. And performs just fine and mpgs are only a few mpgs off the diesel. So I will take it, my buddy owns a dump trailer business and all he has used is the 6.0 votec and he gets 500k out of the motors pulling loaded dump trailers everyday. He now has since went to the new 6.6 gas and still loving it and doing the same thing.
Nice truck and I also love the 7.3L. While you make some very valid points I’m still a diesel guy through and through. Was a diesel mechanic in the Army for over 20 years and I have 10 years experience as a civilian. Yes the maintenance is more expensive but it’s no where the $250 you claimed. Just like everything that gets used regularly there will be wear and tear and there will be hiccups along the road. That’s most mass produced vehicles. My wife is still active duty Army and the army moved us from North Carolina to Alaska, just got to say there is no way I would have attempted that 4500 mile trip with a gas HD truck pulling my trailer. Just not enough TQ for that environment and elevation. To cut down on cost of maintenance I spent a little of money and did cat fuel filters, but at the end of the day it’s personal preference and please don’t think I am bashing you, your opinion or your truck of choice, because I am not. Just respectfully disagree Sir. Be safe out there friend and enjoy that badass superduty 🇺🇸🤘🏻
I agree as well. I bought a 2017 F250 and maintenance costs never really crossed my mind. I knew I needed something to get my heavy loads over the mountains since the altitude kills power on a NA engine. I've done it so many times and it's nerve racking hearing the engine scream at 6000 rpm and big rigs are still passing you up the grade. I will never go back from a diesel regardless of maintenance or fuel costs. Just like it's mentioned in the video, get the correct tool for the job. The gassers are ok for the flat states.
I talked to a GM engineer a couple years ago who told me his reasons for not buying a diesel when he purchased his new HD truck. He didn't like the complexity of the new generations of engines and "the gas engine will do everything the diesel will, it will just do it slower". Reminds me of experiences on a farm. We pulled 35,000 lb grain wagons with pickups, just ran 4 wheel low and never got above 5 mph. It will pull, it will just do it slowly.
I have a 5th wheel that weighs in around 14,000lbs and have towed it with a gas truck and know a diesel. The gasser did the job however the tow experience is so much better with a diesel. I have a duramax know and love it and I'm wondering when you say you only got 14.5mpg crusing with it if you were regening. My truck at 60mph will get 25-27 all day When it regens it drops to about 15. When I'm towing at 70mph it will range between 10-14mpg depending on wind conditions. At the end of the day its personal preference at it does take a while to break even after initial 10k upgrade for diesel however for me and again not a bash to you or anyone just my opinion the tow experience with my diesel is worth the extra money. I will say I'm intrigued though with Ford and know Chevy mating these bigger cubic in gas trucks with 10 speed transmission. By the way I'm a Chevy guy but that is a great looking Ford truck you have! Great video as well.
@@starkgary I still think it's more preference on what works for you. Like I said, over the mountains at 5K altitude towing heavy with a gasser is nerve racking. Even with a forced induction system like a super charger (I know). I love the power of the diesel no matter the altitude. There is definitely a premium buying a diesel and the maintenance/repairs are a little more. I know a couple aerospace engineers at my work that work on these newer diesels as a hobby for their friends. They said there isn't much to them 🤷♂️ I guess it's more of a subjective opinion. Get the tool that works for you.
My F250 Tremor Godzilla with 4.30 rear end just got 15 mph driving on the highway here in Florida. Plus I can tow my 10000 lbs trailer without a problem. Love it!
That's great, the mileage this beasts gets is really a wonderful surprise. I was expecting less and was okay with it, but the fact it does so well is awesome.
@@MattSmith-vy3ys both of my 10s have been flawless, even the ones at work. although we have had three trucks with vibration in the front. Not sure why all this time later the death wobble is still there.
Thanks for watching. My kids said my video titles needed to be more fun, catching etc. So I titled it that for those reasons, but I also, early into potentially buying it had so many people say that I would regret it, mostly my diesel buddies, and since I'd gad diesels foe about 20 years. Then after I bought it, so many said you'll regret that, watch you will. So I guess to play on words, have some fun.
We pull a 10,000 lbs. Camper have a 2004 Dodge ram 2500 5.7 Hemi 4x4, After looking at dodge, chevy, ford, ect... Im ready to try the 7.3 Ford, after watching your video and a few others. Towing from Illinois to Tennessee 4-6 times a year the dodge avg. 8 mpg towing, If the ford gets 10 or higher I'll be impressed. I know comparisons on trucks are great information, the Ford line up seems better for Towing and comfort when traveling, The reason we can't go diesel is spouse and children are sulfer sensitive, Thank you for your video...
My 18 f150 platinum with the 3.5 has great towing capacity. I haul a car trailer that weighs about 8000 loaded and it hauls, stops, and accelerates no problem. It actually hauls better than the brother in laws at4 with the 3.0 diesel in it. I agree though, know what your gonna use it for and pick accordingly. The little 2.7 eco is also a great motor. Just not as capable as the 3.5. I average around 19 total in mine. Sometimes better sometimes worse. When the boost kicks in it will drop if your in it pretty hard. Good stuff sir!
I was anxious to see this video since the title was "Just Don't." I was prepared to set you straight on this motor since I own a 21 and love it. Obviously you like the engine and Just don't means don't buy the diesel !! Mine is a 2 WD with locking rear axle, extended cab with short bed. My payload is 3490 on the door sticker. This engine surpasses all of my expectations with MPG and towing my 32' fifth wheel. I would never go back to diesel!! My RAM Cummins 5.9 was a good truck, owned it 10 years, but this 7.3 gas is just a powerful. I have the 3:55 axle too! Driving conservatively non towing on flat level roads at 55 mph (speed limit) I've seen 20 mpg more than once!!! GREAT ENGINE........JUST DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE DIESEL!!
Thats great info from an owner that also tows. I agree this motor has more beef than most diesels and with the reasonable fuel economy is an excellent choice for most of the population. Not knocking diesels, but having another option is good.
I initially started my career and went to tech school to become a diesel tech. I lived and breathed diesel stuff. Definitely drank the cool aid. This was about 2009. Since than the EPA has ruined diesels in pickups. The DEF and Regens and everything that goes into making them make emissions is ridiculous. On the other hand with the semi trucks we have gone from about 6 MPG to over 8. I would say that they would probably still do that without the DEF but they have come a long way. To put it into perspective the difference between 6 and 8 MPG is using 150 gallons vs 200 gallons of fuel every 1200 miles so 50 gallons of fuel saved is a good savings. Very good review
Great video! Although, I was expecting a different outcome due to the title of this video. Anyways, I've been in the market for a new heavy-duty truck (currently driving a 2020 ram 1500) because I wanted to get a RV for my family and was surprised how limited I was with my current truck. Wish I knew what I know now about payload and such. Anyways... I want to switch over to a Ford F350 vs Ram 3500 because I feel it has better features for the money and you get more bang per dollar. Plus the 7.3! Which is why I wanted to go with the gasser because it's way more reliable than most engines out there (from what I hear). I also do maintenance myself so never owning a diesel it would be a new learning curb. If the diesel was pre-emission like back in the day, I wouldn't hesitate but I keep reading all these mixed reviews. Pretty much go diesel or go home, but I just can't afford my truck being in the shop for emissions problems for God knows how long. My company with big rigs already give me enough anxiety at times, but I hear it's better with power stroke vs Cummins. I would be towing occasionally and under 18k at that. It would be my commuter for both my wife and me with our kids. Videos like this keep telling me to go with the gasser but friends and others say stick with diesel. Only reason I'd go with diesel is because of mpg and bigger fuel tank plus cool sounds of turbo spooling haha. But yeah... 80% leaning towards a new F350 7.3 right now...
You have great points to think about it. Having had mostly diesels, and several big block engines, it purely what you want and want to spend. At this stage in my life, as a commuter which this is, a diesel made no sense. Towing less than 50 days a year, the gasser made the most sense for me and the payload is excellent. And for superduties they are so hot right now that if, and only if someone bought a 7.3 and thought it wasn't enough resale is holding very well, even gas. But since I like to remote start and warm up and idle and stop and go traffic and costco runs, I enjoy not sweating regens.....bonus sounds like an American big block v8......just nice.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 From all the videos I've seen, the only reason people don't like 7.3 compared to a diesel when towing is the shifting and higher RPM (besides mpg). That doesn't bother me as others because I've had plenty of sports cars where it would run at higher RPM so that sound is pleasant to my ears. I honestly don't know how many times I'll be towing, but it definitely won't be nearly as much as I use it for a grocery-getter or commuter. If anything, on the weekends in the summer I'd bring it no more than 300 miles around me to different campgrounds with occasional road trips. Being in New England, we have some hills and mountains depending on where we go, but not nearly as much as the Rockies. The camper we have our eyes on is a 36ft, 9k empty, or 14k max loaded. You'd think an F250 can do this (in some cases yes), but depending on if I go with a 5th wheel setup vs a conventional hitch, that'll eat up payload rather quick on top of 5 people and cargo. I'm not going to buy another truck knowing what I know and be underperformed and limited with what I can haul again, especially for 80k. It's been almost a year since I sold my house and have been hunting for an upgraded truck, but I'm glad I waited cause the prices have come down since then and I was able to research the truck more (also decided I wanted to go with an F350 vs Ram 3500). Last year I used to see mostly 7.3l for sale and very few diesel (I only wanted diesel at that time), but now it's the complete opposite! Go figure, now that I'm ready to buy one, I can't find what I want (new only, plenty used though). I know the longer I wait, the less chance I'll get a new 22, but we shall see. With how things are going economically, I might save more thousands if I wait it out more.
I have a 2018 f-350 diesel. Came from a 15 f-150. I do like the diesel power. However, I’ll go 7.3 Godzilla next time. All of my towing is with 1 hr of my house. The diesel is just overkill unless your running non stop. I snow plow, have dump trailers and gooseneck. The 150 actually did quite well with all the trailers. We still use it as a work truck to this day and it has 260k miles on a 3.5 eco. Go gasser if not hotshotting.
@@petro2342yo, this is my only complaint after switching from ecoboost to Godzilla. Ecoboost tons of low end torque when towing, had to be extreme grade to get her up to 3k rpm. Godzilla on the other hand gets that v8 power higher up in the rpm’s so she revs higher when towing any grade. I prefer the low end torque, but both get the job done
I have a 2021 7.3L with 10R140 trans. I love it! I drove a Nissan Titan for 17 years at 10mpg, so for me this is already an upgrade in fuel economy lol. Not to mention the increased towing capacity. I'm not killing the half ton anymore.
Spend 10k more up front and multiple thousands more in maintenance over the life of the truck just to gain a couple grand more in the end... that still won't make up for the extra spent on maintenance ver the life of it... that makes no sense. I owned a diesel king ranch 350 and this godzilla is much slower off the line with a load, but at speed, no difference, no DEF, no fuel filters...and the last goes on
It’s a wash, the cost of maintenance and parts breakage and def and diesel being higher most places because of douche yuppies going to the local Trader Joe’s in them equals, you didn’t save anything
6:22 "there is no replacement for displacement" I used to agree with you until the 3.5 EcoBoost entered the room so to speak lol it has more torque than the 7.3 gasser. that being said i absolutely love that u can get big block trucks again haven't been able to get a big block truck from ford since 1996. cool video
my dad learned his lesson when he owned a 1989 f250 diesel. yes, it had decent fuel economy but it was expensive to maintain, needed new batteries every 2 years, fuel filters 3 times a year, expensive oil changes, etc etc... he eventually replaced it with a 1996 f350 with the 460 gas engine, and absolutely loved that truck. even though it used more fuel it was much cheaper to maintain and it always started in the winter, something the diesel had problems with.
Yeah my FIL got rid of his perfectly fine 2500 96 suburban for a diesel excursion, forget the year, this has to be 10-15 years ago. Gotta have a diesel, he'd growl. Had it for a few years and it needed some really expensive fuel system repair. Dumped it and went back to gas. All he needed was to haul his boat a couple times a year. The suburban did a fine job pulling it. Sure the mileage probably sucked but it would have been far far cheaper than replacement with two different trucks.
You’re right about matching the truck to its job. For towing heavy weights regularly, the diesel is king. If Ford gets the oiling / lifter issues fixed on Godzilla, it has potential. I’m not confident they will because of their miserable EcoBoom track record with the open-cooling chamber designed blocks that they quietly changed in 2020 with no recall for earlier ticking time-bombs. Towing MPG on Godzilla is 8-9MPG vs 12-13 on the diesel, so if towing heavy loads a lot, diesel is the way, but for a daily with occasional lighter towing, I see Godzilla as the smart choice. I’d be happy with either, but I went 6.7 PowerStroke with an aftermarket extended warranty.
I've heard a lot of good things, but it's been people that hadn't put many miles on them, giving a first impression. Turns out they have a lifter issue that turns up between 30-40K miles on a lot of these trucks. The rollers are delaminating, and you pretty much have to put a new top end in them. Hope they get this fixed soon. Maybe they already have. Damn Chinese steel.
I just bought a 19 power stroke with 75,000. I love it. I could justify a diesel every now and then but bought it for future plans as I start my general contracting business. When towing dump trailers, excavators, and other stuff in Vt diesel is the way to go. The Jake Brake makes a difference and the power helps on the inclines. Mostly tow my 16’ equipment trailer around 7,000 so it’s a bit much day to day. But when the heavy loads come I’m glad to have the diesel around.
@jakeemerick7250 congrats on the new rig! I agree with your biz, the diesel makes sense for sure! And as long as you are happy, all that matters. Good vibes on the contracting, my pops was one for 30 years!
I have a 2020 f550 service truck with the 7.3 and I love it. mileage is not great at 6 mpg but I weigh about 16,000 pounds with a massive 10 foot walk in service box so it’s like a brick flying in the air. It’s detuned with a lower rev limiter and I still don’t having any issues going up or down parlays canyon. I ordered a 2023 to replace my 6.0 powerstroke and don’t feel like I will be loosing much. I see the LHM sticker on the back which dealer did you buy it from? curious if you bought it from the one I work at.
How tall is your enclosed body? Im considering a 7.3 if i buy a new f550. My 07 6.0 is a great truck but shes getting old. 14k hours now. Id be weighing close to 19k but its not a van body. More of a brutus style cabinet body with a crane
@@mikehaslett3738 it’s 14ft long 8 feet tall enclosed with cabinets the 7.3 in the f550 only has a gvw of 18000 pounds not sure if you can get more gvw with a different build
You’re advice is doing a great service to many people. We were looking to pull a 24’ enclosed race trailer, total Weight 10k lbs. dealer keeps pushing us to get a diesel hd but we were recommended by friends to try a new gas 2500, cheaper and more then enough power to tow up to 14k. For us we will only be towing 20 weekends per year and this will need to be a daily driver for the rest of the time. We have a 2023 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas and could not be happier!
Over 3 years and 60k with zero issues other than my mirrors. I pull an airstream and equally no issues towing. First gas truck for me, very happy and hoping for another 100k.
I think if you drive longer distances semi-frequently, and tow occasionally the diesel just makes sense to me unless you don’t mind frequent gas stops. I have a 5.7 v8 and am just tired of having to stop for gas so much. I’ve ordered the ‘23 F350 Diesel Tremor and am looking forward to running a 800 plus miles to a tank. A nice change it’ll be for sure. Cost is always a relative, it’s an expensive truck that’s very capable so I hope to take advantage of all it’s potential for my situation.
I have two Ram Diesel 1 ton duallys and the next one I trade off will be replaced by a Ford F350 dually with the 7.3 gasser and the 10 speed tranny with 4.30 axle ratio gears.....Diesel Maintenance costs and DEF fluid cost and dollars per mile have gotten outrageous. I know several guys who say they do not regret trading off their Diesels for the new 7.3 Ford gasser and cost of dollars per mile is way cheaper.
@@michaellawcobb2693 the tremor doesn't come with the 8 foot bed, which is the only configuration you can get a 48 gallon tank with. so you can't have the big tank AND the tremor, is what he's getting at. that said, there is an aftermarket tank for around 2 grand that replaces the stock 34 gallon with a 58 gallon (for the gasser). so you can get upwards of 700 some miles on the gasser in a 6.5 foot bed. I'm sure something like that exists for 6.5 foot bed diesels too- easier to get carb compliance with that since diesel isn't combustible like gas.
I have a 22 F-350 Single wheel with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears and it is great, I had a 2019 Chevy 3500 DRW diesel, and I tow 16k with it every day with my land clear equipment. The 7.3 does just as good as my diesel did, with a little less fuel mileage. I don’t miss a diesel at all.
If you’re gonna get a diesel, get an old pre-emissions diesel. I don’t know why anyone in their right mind would want these new fragile, complex, incredibly expensive diesel trucks designed to catastrophically fail the moment the warranty runs out when you could get an absolutely bulletproof truck (that you can fix with a hammer) from back in the day.
I bought an F-350 crew cab dually back in 1994, work truck trim. It ran a 10-inch limited slip rear with 4:11 gears with a five-speed manual transmission. The engine was the 7.5 liter fuel injected V-8., it got 10 MPG regardless of the load it was hauling or towing, just don't exceed 60 MPH or you could watch the fuel gage drop. My first truck was a 1972 F-250, it to was what you might call a work truck. It ran a 10-inch rear limited slip with 4:11 gears, a Warner T-18 four speed manual transmission with creep gear and a 360-V-8. There was no AC, power steering or power windows, 16 inch tires on split rims, no spare tire and no rear bumper.
All great points for sure. 7.3 is a great option. But I'm still not sure why there's so many diesel bashing videos? What's it use, 5 more quarts of oil more? The filters are $55, 30 minute job every 10k mi? Not hard at all. Most guys will spend more time polishing their fancy wheels then it takes for the little extra maintenance. The vast majority of people have no issues with the DPF, myself included. 6.7 is an absolute dream to tow with regardless of the trailer. So tired of the last 20 years of gas engines rpm screaming at altitude in the mountains, just to keep the speed limit. Who cares if you really need it or not? Why do people buy 700 horsepower sports cars when you could Drive around and look cool with 200 horsepower? The reality is most weekend warriors buying lariat ultimates and up are choosing the diesel over 75% of the time. Expensive toys, expensive trucks and lots of disposable income is where these trucks land. Now in the commercial world the 7.3 probably makes more sense in every way for sub 10k towing. If you have the money go for the 6.7. It's better in every way. If not then the 7.3 will do the job just fine.
I agree and by no way was I bashing diesels. It's crazy how much hate im.getting for this video.....lol....I've had every diesel engine made by the big 3 since 1988. Diesel is absolutely awesome for.towing. for the average everyday driver that never tows and idles the truck for hours a day while picking up the kids from school. Yes they will most likely have problems. I sold chevy and ram new and the light used diesels had tons of problems l. Our 6.7s at work only work and yet they regen 5 to six times a week. The gasser will do the job for the people coming into the hd segment and they are towing less than 18k. Also because they don't understand what a diesel needs to stay working. Diesel veterans like us know what diesels take and need. Remember when the first gen cummins had 160hp and 400 lbs of torque and that was enough. And the old 454 had 290 and 410. They put those in class b trucks. Most class a coaches are gas and those are 26k or more. I wanted to try this motor and I think it's a great option for most. If money was no option, go for what you want. Frankly the epa restrictions changed the diesel market for the worse not better. My son is a diesel certified mechanic. And with the ulsd...egr and def issues..tack that on with people not understanding how to use a diesel he said stay away from them. If you use them for their purpose, anyone will have less issues for sure but a diesel used as a commuter and idler...your looking for issues. Drive safe out there.
Jeff, you make many good points. However, the math doesn't lie. You WILL have a less expensive cost of ownership with the gas Superduty. The only downside to owning the gas truck is the resale. I know the majority of people don't think that far ahead. But they should. People have been conditioned to think the diesel is the best overall. I was one of these people for over a decade. The resale is VASTLY better with the diesel because of its popularity. But I assure folks, if they start encountering mechanical issues, the expense and heartache isn't worth it.
@John tho the resale is better you pay a lot up front, and in my opinion it isn't worth it unless you're towing lots. The extra 10-12k adds up to a lot more with the extra tax on top of it, plus most folks I know don't have the money to buy it outright, so financing interest can't be ignored. I've had diesels and realize it's not necessary for me, my 7.3 makes much more financial sense for my tooled up work truck.
@HotRodseventy7 great points, most people would need to get 8 more miles to the gallon for about 50k miles to almost break even on just the diesel cost. They'd then need to keep it for 100k plus. Most don't and with APR's where they are, that 10k option will cost you a bit more in interest. Like you I've had diesels, im.very happy with this motor and truck and it gets really decent fuel.economy so 7.3 all the way for me.
I was so close to choosing the 7.3 when I bought my 22 F-350 SRW. I believe it would suit 90% of the people who buy an HD truck. My thing was the fact that I have a tendency to mile up a vehicle before I decide to trade it. I was a little leery of the lack of a proven track record for this engine. You can't go wrong with the 6.7 in my opinion. I have no idea where people are getting their oil changed but I keep hearing about these $250 oil changes. I change my own using Rotella T6 and it's about $90-$100 with the filter, give or take. And I average almost 22 mpg and I live in a bit of a hilly area. Granted, hooking up a 15K pound 5th wheel changes this quite a bit, but it's expected and acceptable. Don't misunderstand me. I think the 7.3 would be a very wise choice if you're buying an XL or XLT. Maybe even a stripped down Lariat (I have one of the Lariats that has everything the Platinum has except for the headlights and running boards). But if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly. I do like this truck, though.
Thank you youtube, this guy did his homework! I've pulled with a 19 platinum 22 lariat all 6.7 and now own a 7.3 I never said dang I need more power ever! BTW I stay right around 28k-30k once a month towing maybe 100 miles highway.
I really like the video and appreciate the feedback. Like you, I live in Colorado and I tow a 25' travel trailer through the mountains. My 2016 3.5EB max tow, Lariat, max everything rips that camper up a 7% grade like it's not there. But that's only when it's not overheating or misfiring under load. I'm just tired of dealing with all its issues and want something else.
I have a 2022 crew cab long bed 7.3l and I average about 12 mpg when empty and when I haul 8-13k I only drop to 10-10.5 in mine going 65-70. I haul weekly and this motor is a beast and I am loving the 10 speed. I have 10900 on mine now
I guess in my 75 years I've owned around 30/40 different pickups, and in all of them I've never worried about a few MPG or a few pounds of weight or a few pounds of pulling capacity. Buy the truck you want and drive it, if you worry about all the little things you might find yourself doing RUclips videos
I had a lot of nice trips with my 89 F350 460 towing a good size 5th wheel for that era. The 7.3 with a 10 speed trans and 3.73 or 4.30 ratio should be a really nice truck. Not only does the PS Diesel cost 10k more to start it's not uncommon to have a 5-10 repair in year 4-5 of ownership. If money is no object get the diesel every time, maybe get two so you'll always have one that's working
One thing I wished you mentioned in the video is longevity of each motor. Honestly I think the 6.7 powerstroke will last longer than the 7.3 Godzilla, but time will only tell. I’ve driven both the 6.7 and 7.3 gas and I have to say the 6.7 has unbeatable power than the 7.3. Another thing I would like to mention I’ve seen multiple videos of the 7.3 lifters failing at 38k to 40k miles I’m not sure of ford had a bad run of lifter or not. I’m sure the newer 6.7 will have their problems too.
When my 6.7 went out of warranty at 100k I had to get rid of it.. I just couldn't fathom being on the hook for a fuel system, Def system, particulate filter failure or egr system. The prices are simply too high. Believe it or not, the 6.7 is engineered to last 150k before replacing. Some won't make it to 150k most will and then some.. while the 7.3 is ford's commercial duty motor.. don't know the engineering specs on it but would imagine 200k being the number..
@Nostradamus yeah my 6.7 was my first diesel and while it was wonderful it just wasn't designed to be high mileage. Sure wish it was! And rebuildable...
Regarding longevity Nick, I think you are right. I haven't looked at the ratings but I'm sure the 6.7 is designed to have a longer life than the 7.3 gasser. Thus one of the reasons for the higher front-end cost.
Just rented a 2022 F650 with a 26’ box from UHaul plus a trailer with an SUV and drove 700 miles. The box was packed to the max. The F650 had the 7.3 Godzilla motor mated to a 6 speed. Unbelievable power. Set cruise at 65 for hours. Got 7.5 - 8.0 miles per gallon. Again, unbelievable from an owner of an F250 4x4 with the 6.2/6 speed. This motor has no competition.
The ford 6.7 diesel is only 13qts of oil and it’s $150 for oil and a filter. I would never buy a gas 7.3 over my 6.7. The power, the torque, the fuel mileage, the exhaust brake, the way it sounds, every single aspect of the diesel over powers the 7.3.
I am super happy with my truck. I have a 22 F250 lariat with the 7.3L on 37s with the 4.10 gear on a 6-inch lift and 8 foot box. I get the same fuel economy as stock with this setup and save 30% in fuel vs my 1500 6.2L Sierra Denali gas that has 35s and a 6-inch lift. The only thing I tow is a 35-foot boat so it's great for me. The 8-foot box for 4x8 material is all I need when I am doing a home project or helping a friend. The 1500 6.2L LS screaming up hills towing was fun and all but gets old fast.
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I work in the RV industry and the 7.3 gasser has been replacing the Triton V10 in most ford chassis motor homes. I gotta say there is a noticeable upgrade in torque and these have no issue getting up to highway speed. I would take the 7.3 all day. It's the best non-diesel option out of ANY manufacturer.
Those of us who can't afford a brand new truck have the older sierra/silverados with a vortec 8.1. It took Ford a long time to make something even remotely close
I have the 7.3 in my 2022 class A on the F53 chassis. I’ve owned three motorhomes with the V10.
Everything about the 7.3 is BETTER. Over 35,000 miles and I average 1.5 miles per gallon MORE than my LIGHTER MOTORHOMES with the V10.
Better torque and quieter. Over 35,000 miles across 35 states and different conditions and I’ve averaged 9.4 mpg total.
@@anthonyb2334 not to mention it sounds way better
We have the 7.3 in our class C and have crossed the continental divide with it s number of times . even without turbo charger it has ample power at high altitudes. Gets about 11 mpg on level ground. It's a great engine.
@@anthonyb2334I had a 1999 7.3 Powerstroke diesel, and I averaged 10 MPG or so with a max of 11.5 in that 31' at 12,000lb.
I got the diesel because I love diesels. Some people want to justify why you should/shouldn’t buy gas or diesel, large or small pickups. Yes, I know I don’t need a diesel, but I wanted it and I could afford it, so I bought it. Isn’t capitalism great!
Yes my friend, I say live life the way you see fit...
I love diesel ill always pick it over gas i just smile when i drive my 7.3l excursion
I did the same shit when I bought my 1Ton 😂 need it? No. Want it? It’s mine all mine lol
I'm poor but love vicariously through you. Glad you excersized your ability to make the decision you wanted!
Follow a guy that's got 700k+ on his 2019. Such a nice truck
My 7.3 does absolutely amazing. I’m a Ford dealer mechanic of 12 years. I came from a deleted 6.7 to this. I’ll never go back to diesel.
All of the modern push-rod gas engines are really impressive compared to 20 years ago. The 7.3 Godzilla, the 6.4 Hemi, and the 6.6 LT are all well built durable, dependable engines. I agree that most people don’t really need a diesel, even though they think they do. We have a ranch operation in Montana and we have replaced all the diesels with gas. If it takes two trips with the gas, you’re right, it’s still cheaper than operating the diesel.
Idk if they qualify as well built 😂
Lots of ranchers in my area of Southern NM have also switched a lot of thier Diesels with Gas rigs. Not saying they don’t still use diesel but for daily operations Unleaded trucks with big engines are filling a void and cutting some ranch operations cost. I resale fuel to most of these ranches so I’ve seen the pattern.
Yeah that 6.4 hemi has a damn good sound though ngl. And that 7.3 godzilla is very impressive.
I gave my 22 yr old V10 F250 to my son after i bought the 7 3 zilla. My V10 never broke down, pulled everything i threw at it.
The 7.3 is awesome. Very impressed so far.
My brother has been a diesel fan since his first 7.3 IDI. He currently has a 6.7 Powerstroke and needed another heavy hauler. After pricing the 6.7 PS vs the 7.3 Godizilla (initial price, maintenance, mileage, etc) he ordered a 7.3.
Yep. Modern diesel ain’t worth it unless you tow heavy majority of the miles you drive
im running my 2021 f350 with the 7.3 as a hot shot truck. total weight is 25800. pounds. getting 9 to 11 mpg and now have 150k miles on it with not an issue. the truck tows 99% of the time. been a nice truck
Should have calculated depreciation. Diesels hold their value better. Maintenance is a rather low cost of ownership below even insurance.
@@erikkovacs3097 Yes and no. When you go to sell you will get more then the comparable gas, but you also paid a lot more up front too. Not that long ago I saw someone post numbers of resale value per KBB and the 7.3 gas actually lost less value then the diesel. Truck pricing is a crazy world these days.
@@edandrade4002 You do pay more up front, yes but the depreciation is less. Depreciation is the largest cost of ownership. So as a percentage of the spread increases to the point that my 18 year old Dodge diesel is worth 100% more than the same year Dodge Hemi. Sometimes there are weird market conditions like we're living in right now and you may see some weird things like the 7.3 gas depreciating less or exemptions like the 6.4 powerstroke but on the average, historically diesels depreciate less.
I have a 22 F350 7.3 with 4.3 gears long bed. Getting a 31 foot 5th wheel. I obviously didn't buy this for MPG. I had a 21 HD2500 with the diesel. When I was pulling a 29 ft 5th wheel with a full DEF tank I got a message that I had 50 miles of DEF left. Within 20 miles truck went into limp mode. Interesting experience on the interstate while towing. Had it repaired and traded to a gas. Loved the power of the diesel bur very very happy with the 7.3.
Congrats on the 7.3, and thanks for the input. DEF and the EPA didn't help the diesel engine at all. I still remember when the 12 valve cummins one of the best, put out 170 hp and 400 lbs of torque, and the 454 gasser put out 255 hp, and 400 lbs of torque and it was more than enough. My 13 6.7 had so many def issues, and others in between. heck I had a 21 sd with the 6.7, but now, I like the simple beefyness of this engine. Our 5th wheel is only a 34 ft 12k, I know it will do great. No def, a buck a gallon cheaper. It made sense for me in many ways, and I don't regret it at all either. Drive safe out there.
Yep.
Truck gives you plenty of warning and time to add Def fluid. That's your fault
@@sleeeper88 and it’s your fault that you missed the part where he said he had a full tank of DEF! It was a faulty reading, just like the way you read that comment 😉
@@automotiveinquiries9673yeah bra them 7.3 gas good tucks
I’m 60 and I’ve had my 2021 F250 / 7.3 / 10 spd for 3 years now and it has been absolutely trouble free!!! Without a doubt best truck I’ve ever owned!!
I agree with you. I own a 15 Ram 2500 with tye 6.4 hemi. It's the Tradesman, so it's the bottom level trim. I ordered it with a 4.10 gearing and 4x4. They say the towing capacity is 18.5k. When I do tow, it's barely 11k. Tractor, bushhog, disc harrows, and the trailer. It performs great. I really like that Ford you got there. Good looking truck.
Thanks, my uncle is a ram guy also and after 25 years of diesels he switched to a big horn 2500 6.4. He pulls his gooseneck with either a skidsteer or a larger backhoe. He said that also it's a little slower up the mountain with the max load, he said everything else when towing its no sweat. He loves the move to gas. I grew up ram and I think they have a great looking truck and I had several tradesmen and their base truck is still nicer feeling and equipped than a gm or Ford base in feel. Thanks for posting, hearing from other owners like you really do help people with decisions on their next truck. Drive safe out there.
The Godzilla is an amazing engine and you’re spot on with your review. We tow our 11,500 pound 5th wheel without any issues. By the way I had to do a double take when you pulled into my neighborhood. Apparently we are neighbors! 😂
That's great to hear....and a small world it is....pretty cool to hear that!
Someone has a cool neighbor. That bodied pickup looks sweet!
@racinjason68 my neighbors do have some cool rigs for sure.
Yeah it's an amazingly bad engine. watch?v=VdODNCV1dis
Hey, that's gonna be handy. You guys will be able to compare notes on recalls. Especially the failed camshaft lifter Problem that is starting to arise. , Can't wait to see those videos.
I’m a diesel fan (F450) and I tow a 43 foot toy hauler as a full time RVer. If I wasn’t a full timer I’d probably still buy the diesel, because there’s no substitute for driving a mini locomotive. Lol. I sure can respect the modern gas engine though. Maybe when my full time days are over and I’m not towing as much I’ll take one for a test drive. I appreciate seeing what people think about the different motors and trucks in general, and I really enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Thanks, I appreciate you watching and your insight.
Good , honest , real world review . Well done. Too many people don’t realize that when you add features , you decrease payload/ towing numbers. The hero truck everyone advertises that tows 35,000-37,000 lbs is a bare bones truck that in reality no one wants. I’ve heard great things about the 7.3 gas Motor, 👍
Absolutely 💯 thanks
Bare bones means less shit to go wrong which means better reliability. Every vehicle I own I specifically chose because they were as simple as possible.
well when you have to sell it that won't pay off. Nobody wants to buy a bare truck second hand so you can only sell yours with a hefty discount and how much of it does really go wrong. People are willing to pay for a feature that's there but doesn't work because you can fix it. Retrofitting an option is a much bigger deal.
I owned and flipped a few cars over the time and that is what simply my experience tells me.
Heard about them wiping cams like the GM and Dodge pushrod engines have been doing for 20 years now.
Took Ford stepping backwards with pushrods to join the club.
I just bought the same truck but in silver. I love it so far. The xlt had all the features I wanted so I saved some money not getting the lariat. We tow a 28’ TT and can’t wait to hook it up to this truck. I previously owned a 2012 f150 with the 3.5 engine. I loved that truck and had no problems with the motor. I was within the safe towing limits for my truck with the trailer but you could tell the truck was working. I feel like the f250 with the 7.3l is a more solid platform for towing that size trailer.
I have the same length trailer with a 7500# GVWR, and tow it with my '95 F250 with 7.3 liter Powerstroke. It does quite well. Your new one with 7.3l gas should tow & perform like a dream. Enjoy!
I disagree with those saying you can use a half-ton for towing trailers in that weight range. STOPPING is just as important, or more so, than going uphill at 60+ mph. I'm happiest when the trailer weight is 50-80% of the truck's rated tow capacity. I do not like the tail-wagging-the-dog scenarios.
Diesel fanatic here! Bought to buy a f-250 with 7.3 gas. Years ago we pulled all equipment with a 391 Ford engine.
I have a ‘21 7.3 with 36k. No issues. Love the motor. Love the sound. 14.5 mpg around town. Haven’t towed much except a heavy utility trailer with a ATV.
That's awesome....love to hear from owners having great luck and loving it. Thanks for posting
I have a 21' F250 with the 7.3!
I love it!!
I use it for my home improvement business, hauls my tool trailer and 16 foot 14k dump trailer. I'm at 51,000 trouble-free miles.
I just hit 11,000 on my 22 7.3 and it has been great so far! I’ve had a lot of weight in the bed so far but not much towing yet however it feels so solid and planted, you can’t tell the weight is there. It’s great to see that others are enjoying the engine as much as i am and I hope you have many more enjoyable miles out of the truck!
Thanks you too
I agree. I built mine online as an XLT F350 Superduty, 14,000 GVWR. 7.3 gas/10speed combo, crew cab, 8' box, 4WD, heavy front suspension, dually, with gooseneck hitch. My only other splurges were the all around camera system, upfitter switches, spray-on bedliner and folding bed cover. All in all an amazing combination of power, function and utility without all the fluff...not even carpeting, all for under $57K!! My brother, a diesel mechanic of 35+ years steered me away from the diesel option as I don't tow heavy often enough to warrant it. He was absolutely correct as the maintenance and upfront cost can't be made up without towing for a living. The fuel mileage difference is negligible as well, given the difference in fuel cost. I pull a 32', 12 ton deckover gooseneck trailer full of heavy equipment on occasion, with no power issues at all...not even in the hills, thanks to the 10 speed. Although empty, it rides like a lumber truck, I couldn't be more happy with it.
Like you had any choice but the "7.3 gas/10speed combo" and dually and 8-foot "bed" ("Chevy guys" tend to call it a "box" which still HAS a "bed" i.e. the box floor) and 14.000 GVWR and crew cab and...everything else in that "build" besides the "options" that really have nothing to do with how much "truck" it is at all.
A "folding bed cover" on a dually with a gooseneck and "upfitter switches" and "all around camera system" aren't "fluff"?
That's funny. Especially since your "new" truck is really just a 2022 "carryover" and in less than six months Ford should be shutting down to "retool" to begin 2024 model-year production but still has "2022/2023 Super Duty" on the website you "built" it on and your "new" truck is and probably has been "built" already and months and months ago and is one of the thousands of "new" Ford pickups sitting at the "factory" waiting for the "chip shortage" and other "supply chain issues" to be "resolved" so they can be delivered and sold as "new" to suckers like you that think "under $57k" is some kind of "deal" on a "new" truck that is less than 6 months from being a "year old" by model year AND probably by "calendar year" by the time it's "delivered". Not to mention that "new" truck and "new" engine is "substantially unchanged" since "2020" and "technically" as well as "technologically" going to be 5+ years old by "introduction date".
What axle ratio and interior color and paint color did you "build" it with? You know. The few major "options" you can actually "build" one with and that will have major effects on "resale value"?
Fuel mileage has nothing to do with fuel cost and you will not "save money" with a gas-burner so-called "big-block" that needs a 10-speed auto and 4.30 gears for maximum "performance" and doesn't produce HALF as much TORQUE and actual "pulling power" as a 6.7 PowerStroke that is "twice the truck" AND makes more torque at half the engine speed and blows away that "big-block" in "rear-wheel horsepower" because it does not need a 4.30 gear AND a 10-speed auto for "towing" - only Fordtards without the "resources" to buy real heavy-duty work trucks and that only "occasionally" hook to a single trailer they ALWAYS claim is just HUGE constantly and yet act like they're special and really achieving and accomplishing something doing it "successfully" and without any "trouble" with their NEW or NEAR-NEW pickups they brag about in new truck "review" video comment sections they wouldn't be watching and reading IF they actually had the "experience" with light-duty "trucks" and "big" trailers they claim to have refer to PULLING TRAILERS as "towing", lol - and you sure as fuck didn't "build" a new Ford Super Duty with a "gooseneck" you're going to "occasionally" pul...I mean "tow" any "32'" and "12 ton" trailer that's "over and under loaded" that isn't also "half full" at most if by "over and under loaded" you mean "double-decked" for livestock i.e. hogs or sheep going to "market" since I know damned good and well from personal experience its possible to get 52 head of fat hogs - 230-lb. average - on a 24-foot Titan stock trailer with the "bull package" and with a single RWD 1st-gen Dodge Cummins 3-speed auto "combo" 4WD single-cab, 5000+ lb. trailer and "payload" that too is "12 tons" and it only takes 160 horsepower and 400 lbs. of DIESEL TORQUE AND A 3.08 AXLE RATIO TO GET AND KEEP IT AT "HIGHWAY SPEED" UP AND DOWN SOUTHEAST NEBRASKA HILLS ON 2-LANE HIGHWAYS THAT DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 10-15 MILES OF "STRAIGHT" AND/OR "LEVEL" ROAD ON THEM BETWEEN TOWNS, INTERSECTIONS ETC.
BRAGGING ABOUT "TOWING" ON ANY "FREEWAY" AND NEVER "OFF ROAD" AND IN AND OUT OF "FARMYARDS" AND PASTURES AND HAY FIELDS AND OTHER PLACES WHERE ONLY IDIOTS WOULD "BUILD" A 4-DOOR 8-FOOT BED DUALLY TO "TOW" WHEN ANYBODY WITH A CLUE KNOWS THE MORE YOU NEED TO "TOW" THE LESS "TRUCK" YOU WANT AND 2WD REGULAR CAB DUALLIES ARE THE "BIGGEST" AND "BEST" TRUCKS FOR "TOWING" ON THE "OPEN ROAD" AND IN AND OUT OF "POPULATED AREAS" POSSIBLE AND PROVIDE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE "PAYLOAD" PER POUND OF GCWR - GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT RATING AKA "TOW VEHICLE" AND TRAILER TOGETHER - IS A SURE SIGN THE BRAGGER HAS MORE DOLLARS THAN SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO "TOW RIGS" AND COULDN'T MAKE A DIME "HOT SHOTTING" WITH HIS "TOW RIG" IF HIS LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
WTF is a "32', 12 ton deckover trailer" and what is "full" and "heavy" about "towing" 12 measly "tons" on - or is it "in" - and including that big of a trailer? If it has tandem duals and is a "beavertail" the trailer alone weighs 3 tons or thereabouts. So what is the other 9 tons? And what the hell is impressive about that? In my neck of the woods we put 14 "full size" round bales of alfalfa and prairie hay on 30-footers and that's "towing" well over 12 tons of PAYLOAD on top of 6000 pounds of trailer and 8000 pounds of "tow rig". 40,000 lbs. total on SRW trucks isn't uncommon and that's in and out of farm and hay fields and yards and up and down rock/gravel/dirt roads and a damn sight steeper hills and sharper curves than you'll ever get that "tow rig" you "built" on/in/up/down, lol.
Of course we also use diesel and REAL big-block gas V8 trucks to do it. And even some small-blocks.
I think you are 99% correct here BUT… The only thing for me is running up and down large grades the diesel makes things easier and the engine brakes are really really nice, especially on the Cummins. My RV maxed out fully loaded is 14k and rolling up steep grades and back down in the intermountain west is breeze in a diesel truck. I’m not saying you can’t do that in a 7.3 because you absolutely can. I’m saying the diesel makes me feel more confident on the up and the down. The cost and maintenance on a diesel is not cheap so I do most of the things I can myself. Thanks for the video.
Yeah, that's where I'd want a diesel too. You have to really want one, or tow very often to take advantage of it.
With the modern emissions equipment, and today's cost of fuel the incentive to go diesel is severely diminished. 20 years ago you were practically dumb to not go diesel.
The 7.3 has an engine brake and guff to snuff up a hill 14k 8% grade like butter 🧈.
@@the305hauler the 7.3 engine brake is "ok" but it's vastly inferior to a diesel exhaust brake... and the 7.3's engine brake tends to be sticky- takes upwards of 200 yards to start upshifting once you hit the flat, regardless of throttle
This was my exact thought process and research result for my new truck purchase. A year into owning my '22 F350 Lariat long bed, I'm very happy with my decision to get the Godzilla over the diesel, for all the reasons you stated.
I appreciate that. Other watchers hearing from another owner that has had it long term and likes it is really important. Drive safe out there.
I got a 2020 F-350 7.3L Godzilla dually in the Mac Edition. And I absolutely luv the truck. I tow my 38 ft. Boat with the truck and u cannot even tell that I am pulling the boat.
My old 6.0 has over 200,000 miles and the new owner still loves it. I've tried buying it back several times but nope. When it came time to replace the EGR cooler (at 128,000), he decided not to delete. Just updated the oil pump, new cooler and valve. Have yet to replace an injector and still rides straight and smooth.
Oil changes are regular,I did my own and he does to. Replace both fuel filters every oil change.
That truck has been a wonderful truck and I wish I never sold it.
Awesome video. I haven’t driven a 7.3 gas truck yet. I took a big ass Uhaul towing a 1990 Honda accord from LA to Phx. It had the 6.8 v10. At the legal speed limit in California, 55 mph, it was getting 13 miles to the gallon, fully loaded and towing once we got into Arizona that engine had no problem cruising with that load at almost triple digit speeds but only getting 8 mpg at 80 mph. I must say my 2000 F250 super duty 7.3 powerstroke will always hold a dear place in my heart and I think it was even stronger pulling then the V 10 6.8, but it was definitely close I’m not sure I would ever be able to give any love to the 7.3 gas engine maybe someday I’ll have the opportunity to romp on one as a loaded moving truck. 👍
7.3, 5.0, and the 3.0 dmax are the only engines i would go with right now. I miss GMs old 6.0 regardless of what ppl say about its lack of power. The 6.2 ford and gm are decent, and the 6.4 isnt trash, but the entire industry leaves a lot to be desired right now.
I am 57 years old and have been money smart my entire life to a point that I am more than financial secure now. Part of this was made possible by buying vehicles far less than I could afford, buying used, and driving them 15 to 20 years. As I approach retirement in the next 10 years or so, I finally decided to buy what I wanted without compromises as this truck was likely going to be my last. I fell in love with diesel years ago when I purchased a used tractor and experienced the low rpm torque and power. I haul heavy occasionally but also wanted to be prepared for a potential 5th wheel traveling the country. I purchased a new F350 SRW CCLB Platinum 6.7 (3,846 Payload). I also liked the 6.7's proven track record and knowing it could quietly purr down the highway hauling at 1,500 to 2,000 RPM rather than 4,000 to 4,500. This was obviously not a financial analysis based decision. It was one that would make me happy driving down the road without any more "wish I had" thoughts. In summary, I was finally able to reward myself rather than watching my Benjamins as I have earlier in life when buying a 7.3 gasser would have been the right choice (if it was available then).
Congrats on the truck....many safe travels
I had a 20 7.3 and now have a 6.7. I drive hills with my 5er often. The diesel slows it down much better. It pulls hills much better. The service cost is part of owning any vehicle. Keeping my family safe is worth every penny to me.
Gas or diesel, I've got both. I've got a 7.3 diesel and an f-350 4x4 crew with the V-10.
The 7.3 has been and continues to be a STELLAR performer. 21 years and no issues. I got the F-350 because I wanted the 4x4. I went with the gasser because I was tired of hearing my wife gripe about the diesels noises.
I love the V-10. It's a brute, pulls better than the 7.3, and the maintenance is so much less. The mileage is crappie, but it's what I would expect with the weight I'm pulling.
I couldn't agree more, think hard about what your intentions are and buy accordingly. Don't reflexively overlook the gasser because it's a gas engine. I bet you would be pleasantly surprised.
Not just that, you can replace the engine cheaper than you can replace the injection system on the diesel. No Brainer unless your towing havy everyday or long hailing.
Are you drunk
@@icesta09 no it's true
Yeah maybe a remanufactured 7.3 or a rebuild would be in the same ball park of a CP4, injectors and lines for a 6.7 powerstroke
If you know how to treat a diesel, you wont have that problem for 20years.
I just traded a 6.4 and no fuel issues, because I know what I'm doing. All origional.
@Kreuzritter Gottes I agree with you on that I have 3 with each over 400,000 and basically done nothing but glow plugs and basic stuff. Haven't touched an injector on 2 out of 3. Comparison today is the cost and maintenance of the diesel vs. gas. I can't see paying the extra unless I was maxing out payload everyday and long hauling. The cost analysis doesn't support the diesel for most people.
My 2001 F250 with the 7.3 Power stroke is probably the last truck I'll ever own. After it hit 200,000 miles, it got a full.suspension rebuild/upgrade with 4 inch lift and 18 in wheels with 35 in tires. At 250,000 miles it got new injectors, upgraded turbo, HPOP, radiator, intercooler, and a hydra. Not including maintenance I'm still under $45000 total investment. I get 22-27 on the highway, and can run past any stock truck made today. $75000 for a new truck is just outrageous. I'm at 330,000 miles and I think the transmission will be next, so that will put me over $50000 total investment.
Thanks for posting....I think that's a perfect idea.
Put the manual ZF6 transmission in it and make everyone eat your dust on the grades.
Nice vid!
Similar to my thought process between choosing 3.0L Duramax and gas F150 (I wasn’t bound to a brand). Even in Bc where diesel is about price of 93 (not too much worse than 87), the price/use/maint/etc made a gas-engine a clearer choice.
Lots of folks simply say “ya gotta have a diesel” and they’re definitely cool, lol! But these modern gas engines are pretty amazing.
Absolutely 💯.... thanks for posting
I just bought a2023 7.3 I love it 12 miles a gallon pulling my camper good ride plenty of power
A couple things that people do not put in their videos when comparing gas and diesel engines are; one- the recoup of that cost when selling that exact truck, and two- the convenience of having a diesel.
It’s easy to list the extra items that need addressed when having a diesel like Def systems and fuel filters. At the same time, when towing a larger trailer or camper it is nice to be able to pull into a truckstop area and not have to go to a gas pump that is so constricted. It’s also nice to not have to stop every two hours when towing a sizable trailer. if you’re driving any grades the exhaust break is super helpful and saves your breaks tremendously. It’s also nice not to have your engine go at 4500 RPM.
I tow about 15,000 miles per year at an average of 12,000 pounds.
I don’t think your 18,000 pound cut off is necessarily appropriate. I also think the hundred days a year is not appropriate.
I have found that the cost of ownership between a gas and a diesel is a wash. By the time you sell that truck you will recoup what added up front you will have. The worth of these vehicles are relative to their cost…meaning you are not out 10k when you buy diesel trucks. The truck is worth more than it’s gas comparison.
This all being said, like you said, know your purpose! If you drive many miles, diesels are known to retain value and it might be a better option. Like I already mentioned, there are more variables than days/year towing and weight. My $0.2
I own a 2020 6.7 and a 2016 6.2
I do have experience with both
I got rid of all my diesels. I do auto transports. The cost of maintenance and general issues I sold them all. My oldest truck right now is a 07 ram 2500 with 200k (og powertrain) I also have a a 12 f350 with 6.2 with 476k. The motor was replaced at 315k. It cost me $5000. That is less than the 6.7 option and still not 30qt oil changes, def, and other maintenance items. Business wise I have not looked back.
My dad just sold his 2008 6.7l cummins for $1,000 less than he paid in 2009. 14 years 220,000 miles later.
@@nhbountyhunter 1 ton or less Diesel engine has a 30Qt pan. My oversized pan is 15 quarts.
@@zackzittel7683 THIS
I have this same truck with the 6.7. I'm sure there's a bit of confirmation bias among diesel owners like me, but towing over the Rockies, Sierras and several summits over the past four years with it (Eisenhower, Monitor, Echo, Teton, Million Dollar Hwy) I'm good with my choice. I feel like many of these videos miss a major piece of useful info for prospective buyers. Sure all these modern engines do quite well going UP, but not much is said about engine braking on these gas vs. diesel videos. It's hard to explain this sense of security and safety to anyone who hasn't experienced a truck towing over 10,000 lbs slowing itself down (without brakes) at highway speeds on an 8% grade. If you've got your family along, you'll really appreciate it.
If you live in the Midwest or Florida and never venture far from home, the V8s are more than sufficient. If you live in the west, prepare to ride (overheat) the brakes on the way down with sweaty palms on even the mildest grades. Yes, it's a big pill to swallow on a new purchase, and the maintenance is a bit higher. I would never wager my loved one's safety on overinflated concerns about fuel filters and DEF.
Good video.
14,000 miles of 22’ 7.3 F350 and I am satisfied:
Daily driver, contractor running all over the city…
I tow a TT under 10K less than 25% of the time and I live in the hills and mountains.
1. Cheap Oil Changes
2. STEERING is so much better than the diesel.
3. Love the lighter front end on the streets: 700lbs lighter than diesel I was told.
14L/100km hwy
19L/100km city
After owning the The crew cab 4x4 F150’s honestly they suck towing anything above 7000lbs. They are just too light on the chassis and suspension, tail waggin the dog. Engines and trannies are great though.
Have a good time out there!
Thanks for the info, I agree 100%. Drive safe out there.
I have a 2022 F-250 Lariat (power everything, leather seats, bed liner, 12,000 lb. winch, and Tremor package with 4.30:1 axels) with the 7.3 Godzilla. I'm just over 17000 miles and last week I did a mileage check on a 100 mile round trip that wasn't all freeway during which I averaged 15.5 mpg. That is huge when compared to my 2001 F250 extra cab XL 4x4 with the 5.4 and 3.73 gears that averaged 11.5 mpg. I absolutely love the 7.3 Godzilla.
Heck yeah, sounds like a sweet ride!
Well said. I'm done with deisel just from the extra def and maintaince costs. And you forgot to mention if this brake and a desel how much it costs. My next welding rig will be a gas but not sure if gm or ford
I got a 2012 crew cab long bed 6.0 vortec silverado. Hollowed the cats eliminated the resonator got cold air intake and flowmaster muffler and threw a tune on it. I'm at about 420 hp with 430 ft lbs of torque 12 mpg truck has 257,337 miles on it and pulls 16,000 lbs almost every day. Truck cost 14,000 to buy , I will definitely be getting another one. I definitely agree that if you can use a gaser then use one. I had an 02 duramax before and the maintainance sucks , I sure to miss the 19 mpgs though
I love my 7.3 Tremor with 4.30 rear end. Pro tip… put a pedal commander on it. You can thank me later! Best mod ever.
Right on. Tremors are wicked sick. I'll look at the pedal commander.
How's the Tremor holding up with the towing you do?
I'm gonna be looking at one but I also deal with the salt river canyon and wondered how it pulled it in the summer with the ac running. I'll be towing between 10 and 12,000.
Agreed! They sell knockoffs on Amazon for $45 that work awesome! I have one on my 2019 F250 and I’m putting one on my 2022 7.3 when I get it next week. They are awesome. Just like putting a great trigger on a gun.
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2024 F350 with 7.3L gas burner. 12k miles so far. I don’t need diesel as I don’t haul every day - just occasionally cattle trailer. I love my gas burner. It has all the power I need.
I've had a 2016 F150 5.0 since new. I pull a travel trailer and it does it, but is at the top of what I want to pull with it. Ordered a 23 F250 with the 7.3.
The coyote is a great motor, but you'll enjoy the 7.3, and that v8 rumble. Congrats
And I think if you went to a 2024 f150 with the 5.0 you would notice a big difference. You get a little more hp and and tq and the 10spd.
@@camonly849the 10 spd is a big help, the 6r80 is reliable but not geared well for the 5.0 powerband.
@richarde7649 agreed. 10spd is just money
I have the Godzilla in my 2023 Thor Outlaw 29J Class C RV, and it produces amazing power and torque in a heavy RV. When I go up steep hills, I don't lose power anymore. No more deasel big rigs passing me on steep hill and going down the highway. That's a thing in the past.
After watching this video it gives me more relief that I ordered a 2023 diesel. I actually get 22mpg on the highway driving 65. And have zero issues with towing. Complete confidence.
I’m 65. I grew up in the era of Muscle Cars. They rules the earth and now they are dinosaurs that people still want! I mean who doesn’t like the Challenger SRT? When they came out with TWO keys I was amazed. Haha. Who doesn’t like a HEMI? Who doesn’t like a Vette LT2 V8? (My buddy has one and it is a ROCKET). Who doesn’t like a 5.0 Mustang?
“Hey fellas have you heard the news?
You know that Annie's back in town?
It won't take long just watch and see
How the fellas lay their money down…”
Replace the name Godzilla for Annie and you can go back to Muscle Car Days with a 7.3.
It is SO MUCH FUN TO DRIVE THIS TRUCK. This thing has REAL NUTS and you better be ready for it. That’s STOCK!! People say you can push 700hp pretty easily out of this. I know I’m not going to do that to mine because I can’t spend that kind of money playing BUT I also can play just fine in the stick configuration.
Go beg a ride in one. Go trounce on that exhilarator and you will know what I mean. This engine snarls. As is. No modifications.
I love the sound too. Every morning I start up in my driveway and do a 360 safety walk around. But I stop at the tailpipe! Haha. I just love a great V8.
My boss used to drive diesel Super Duty trucks. Now he’s in a brand spanking new pretty F-150 Lariat with a 2.7 squirrel cage motor. It’s fast and it gets 21mpg on highway when he’s not jamming the turbos. He teases me “your truck is too rough on the road, you don’t need that big engine, you ain’t towing 15,000 pounds, blah blah blah blah blah!”
You know what my answer to him is
I LIVE IN AMERICA DAMMIT
I CAN DRIVE ANYTHING I CAN PAY FOR
I bought this truck not to tow. I could use an F-150 for anything I’m going to tow. Almost.
The reason I bought this truck is simple. One thing. The 7.3 Godzilla motor. I am old school V8 all the way and Ford did something spectacular with this motor.
I am so happy I bought it.
Another buddy at work has the 6.7. I put him behind the wheel of my truck going to lunch a week ago. On a straightaway I said PUNCH IT. I know his truck will run like a scalded ape so I know he wasn’t going to wreck my truck. He dutifully complied and punched it. He whistled when he backed off and smiled at me. He has a Vette. He knows my truck can haul ass.
So - I’m just a voice in the wind here. Talking about the Great Godzilla. I was SOLD ON THIS ENGINE the day Ford announced it. I waited until 2022 to make sure there were no kinks in it. I have 25k miles and many of those miles made me smile as I drove it. Old school baby. Old school.
Heck yeah! Awesome!
Great review, I agree completely. I’ve got a 2020 Crewcab Lariat w the 7.3 and it’s been fantastic, so much better than the 6.2 6 spd when towing, it’s not the no brainer experience a diesel is when pulling uphill, but it’s not stressful either, my payload is 3061 lbs on the sticker, so a normal Lariat doesn’t add too much weight.
Drove a 2020 wrecker with the 7.3 I loved it. Zero issues, plenty of power!!!
I’ve said it for a long time, over the long run you’re better off with a petrol engine over a diesel, especially with all their associated issues as you mentioned. Here in Australia petrol (gas) is about 40 cents per litre cheaper than diesel. In 2020 I bought a brand new Toyota landcruiser fitted with the 4.5 litre TD V8 and it’s bloody expensive to run. I wish I’d kept my 4.8 litre petrol Nissan patrol.
I look forward to your fuel economy video.
Cheers
I have a '22 F250 7.3 and love it. I pull a 38' 5th wheel Travel Trailer that weighs less than 12,000 pounds with no problems. No problem getting on the freeway either. Hit the gas and it goes.
For loads around 10K and under without a large front surface a gas will do fine. Once you start towing heavy and/or something with a lot of wind resistance the diesel is a complete night and day difference in capability and comfort compared to the gas. I used to think a gas was just as capable but after I actually bought a new diesel and started towing with it I wondered why I didn't switch sooner. Yeah it costs more but it makes towing (especially longer distances) so much easier, plus the exhaust brake will take a load off your brakes.
Excellent excellent!!!! That's just what I tell them, you hit all the good points. The dollar/ mile deal is something that a lot of people are not seeing it
For a moment I thought someone stole my truck until I saw the sliding rear window. I have about 100 lbs less payload. I’m getting around 13.1 mpg. I love my truck.
I also bought 7.3 Godzilla decals from eBay.
That s funny, definitely won't steal anyone's truck...im.glad you love yours too.
I actually called my truck the general answer found a place to make the general 7.3 decals. I thought about getting the gozilla ones and may still if these dont last long
Good looking truck, bought my F-250 in early 2018. Wanted a diesel so bad, thank goodness I got the 6.2. Drove it out the dealer five years ago and never been back, all I've ever done is change oil every spring. Now I live up north in PA so I don't drive it during the winter months. They put salt on the roads and that will destroy a vehicle, pushing close to twenty thousand on mine now. Been a great truck.
The nice thing about diesels is you don't really feel what you're towing a lot of times. It's the same amount of power in almost all situations. Also because it's significantly heavier I find you have more wiggle room for miss-loading the trailer
Got the 7.3 a year ago, 90k mikes, mostly hauling a trailer - love it. Did the math and couldn’t justify the diesel.
Nice! Thanks for posting.
I DIDN'T skip it. I purposely traded in my 2019 F-250 XLT (Premium trim level) truck just to get the new 7.3L Godzilla motor and 10 speed trans. It took me 8 months of searching the entire Connecticut Ford inventory to find my 2020 F-350 Lariat 7.3L/10 speed and I don't regret it for a moment. I had the 5.4L/5 speed in my 2010 F-250 XLT and the 6.2L/6 speed in both my 2017 F-250 XLT and the aforementioned 2019 F-250 XLT (Premium trim level) along with all these motors in our trucks at work. The Power Stroke diesel has GOBS of power and torque BUT, the 7.3L Godzilla does everything I need it to do and then some.
Great vid.
It's great to hear from someone that has had all of these gasser and likes the 7.3 also. Congrats on finding the 2020, heck of a search!
Great video. I just picked up a certified '22 F350 Tremor Lariat Ultimate 7.3l a few hours ago at a great savings over new. I brought my car trailer and my wife's Cayenne diesel with me (since it was about 90 minutes away) and towed the Cayenne home. I was very happy with the towing (albeit only 7000 lbs) and was pleasantly surprised when it got 10.7 MPG on the 80 mile trip back through hilly Pennsylvania. The 7.3l with the 4.30 gears has surprising low end torque for an N/A motor.
Congrats on the new rig! I appreciate the feedback, hope you subbed.....big news coming tomorrow on the channel.
I believe and hope you will continue to enjoy the zilla, it's a beast!
I just bought my second 7.3L because of all the points you mentioned.
First one was a 2020 f350 dually.
Second is a 350 SRW.
The first one blew my mind.
Between turbos, DEF, injectors and maintenance there is absolutely no reason to buy a diesel unless your towing big boy equipment every other day.
Even then diesel still not necessary, I own a construction company and tow day in and out everyday heavy and the gas has been great. And performs just fine and mpgs are only a few mpgs off the diesel. So I will take it, my buddy owns a dump trailer business and all he has used is the 6.0 votec and he gets 500k out of the motors pulling loaded dump trailers everyday. He now has since went to the new 6.6 gas and still loving it and doing the same thing.
Have the same 2022 rig in Oxford White. 10,000 miles in, still can't wipe the smile off my face.
Heck yeah, that good old American horse power and rumble
6.7 Powersmoke!!! Nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise. Love my diesel.
Nice truck and I also love the 7.3L. While you make some very valid points I’m still a diesel guy through and through. Was a diesel mechanic in the Army for over 20 years and I have 10 years experience as a civilian.
Yes the maintenance is more expensive but it’s no where the $250 you claimed. Just like everything that gets used regularly there will be wear and tear and there will be hiccups along the road. That’s most mass produced vehicles. My wife is still active duty Army and the army moved us from North Carolina to Alaska, just got to say there is no way I would have attempted that 4500 mile trip with a gas HD truck pulling my trailer. Just not enough TQ for that environment and elevation. To cut down on cost of maintenance I spent a little of money and did cat fuel filters, but at the end of the day it’s personal preference and please don’t think I am bashing you, your opinion or your truck of choice, because I am not. Just respectfully disagree Sir. Be safe out there friend and enjoy that badass superduty 🇺🇸🤘🏻
Thanks for you and your wife's service.
I agree as well. I bought a 2017 F250 and maintenance costs never really crossed my mind. I knew I needed something to get my heavy loads over the mountains since the altitude kills power on a NA engine. I've done it so many times and it's nerve racking hearing the engine scream at 6000 rpm and big rigs are still passing you up the grade. I will never go back from a diesel regardless of maintenance or fuel costs. Just like it's mentioned in the video, get the correct tool for the job. The gassers are ok for the flat states.
I talked to a GM engineer a couple years ago who told me his reasons for not buying a diesel when he purchased his new HD truck. He didn't like the complexity of the new generations of engines and "the gas engine will do everything the diesel will, it will just do it slower". Reminds me of experiences on a farm. We pulled 35,000 lb grain wagons with pickups, just ran 4 wheel low and never got above 5 mph. It will pull, it will just do it slowly.
I have a 5th wheel that weighs in around 14,000lbs and have towed it with a gas truck and know a diesel. The gasser did the job however the tow experience is so much better with a diesel. I have a duramax know and love it and I'm wondering when you say you only got 14.5mpg crusing with it if you were regening. My truck at 60mph will get 25-27 all day
When it regens it drops to about 15. When I'm towing at 70mph it will range between 10-14mpg depending on wind conditions. At the end of the day its personal preference at it does take a while to break even after initial 10k upgrade for diesel however for me and again not a bash to you or anyone just my opinion the tow experience with my diesel is worth the extra money. I will say I'm intrigued though with Ford and know Chevy mating these bigger cubic in gas trucks with 10 speed transmission. By the way I'm a Chevy guy but that is a great looking Ford truck you have! Great video as well.
@@starkgary I still think it's more preference on what works for you. Like I said, over the mountains at 5K altitude towing heavy with a gasser is nerve racking. Even with a forced induction system like a super charger (I know). I love the power of the diesel no matter the altitude. There is definitely a premium buying a diesel and the maintenance/repairs are a little more. I know a couple aerospace engineers at my work that work on these newer diesels as a hobby for their friends. They said there isn't much to them 🤷♂️ I guess it's more of a subjective opinion. Get the tool that works for you.
My F250 Tremor Godzilla with 4.30 rear end just got 15 mph driving on the highway here in Florida. Plus I can tow my 10000 lbs trailer without a problem. Love it!
That's great, the mileage this beasts gets is really a wonderful surprise. I was expecting less and was okay with it, but the fact it does so well is awesome.
Any issues with weird noises or vibrations? How is your 10-speed?
@@MattSmith-vy3ys both of my 10s have been flawless, even the ones at work. although we have had three trucks with vibration in the front. Not sure why all this time later the death wobble is still there.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 I’ve got allot of can vibrations at ideal. Can’t figure it out
Just wondering why you titled the video just don’t. And then you praise the truck for the whole video little confused but nice truck.
Thanks for watching. My kids said my video titles needed to be more fun, catching etc. So I titled it that for those reasons, but I also, early into potentially buying it had so many people say that I would regret it, mostly my diesel buddies, and since I'd gad diesels foe about 20 years. Then after I bought it, so many said you'll regret that, watch you will. So I guess to play on words, have some fun.
We pull a 10,000 lbs. Camper have a 2004 Dodge ram 2500 5.7 Hemi 4x4,
After looking at dodge, chevy, ford, ect...
Im ready to try the 7.3 Ford, after watching your video and a few others.
Towing from Illinois to Tennessee 4-6 times a year the dodge avg. 8 mpg towing, If the ford gets 10 or higher I'll be impressed. I know comparisons on trucks are great information, the Ford line up seems better for Towing and comfort when traveling,
The reason we can't go diesel is spouse and children are sulfer sensitive,
Thank you for your video...
@@troygillespie218 I appreciate the feedback and you being here. I think you'll be pleased with the 7.3 for sure.
My 18 f150 platinum with the 3.5 has great towing capacity. I haul a car trailer that weighs about 8000 loaded and it hauls, stops, and accelerates no problem. It actually hauls better than the brother in laws at4 with the 3.0 diesel in it. I agree though, know what your gonna use it for and pick accordingly. The little 2.7 eco is also a great motor. Just not as capable as the 3.5. I average around 19 total in mine. Sometimes better sometimes worse. When the boost kicks in it will drop if your in it pretty hard. Good stuff sir!
I have the 7.3 in my 32.5 Class C RV. What a great motor! Pulls great. Way better than the Triton V10.
I was anxious to see this video since the title was "Just Don't." I was prepared to set you straight on this motor since I own a 21 and love it. Obviously you like the engine and Just don't means don't buy the diesel !! Mine is a 2 WD with locking rear axle, extended cab with short bed. My payload is 3490 on the door sticker. This engine surpasses all of my expectations with MPG and towing my 32' fifth wheel. I would never go back to diesel!! My RAM Cummins 5.9 was a good truck, owned it 10 years, but this 7.3 gas is just a powerful. I have the 3:55 axle too! Driving conservatively non towing on flat level roads at 55 mph (speed limit) I've seen 20 mpg more than once!!! GREAT ENGINE........JUST DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE DIESEL!!
Thats great info from an owner that also tows. I agree this motor has more beef than most diesels and with the reasonable fuel economy is an excellent choice for most of the population. Not knocking diesels, but having another option is good.
I initially started my career and went to tech school to become a diesel tech. I lived and breathed diesel stuff. Definitely drank the cool aid. This was about 2009. Since than the EPA has ruined diesels in pickups. The DEF and Regens and everything that goes into making them make emissions is ridiculous.
On the other hand with the semi trucks we have gone from about 6 MPG to over 8. I would say that they would probably still do that without the DEF but they have come a long way. To put it into perspective the difference between 6 and 8 MPG is using 150 gallons vs 200 gallons of fuel every 1200 miles so 50 gallons of fuel saved is a good savings.
Very good review
Great video! Although, I was expecting a different outcome due to the title of this video. Anyways, I've been in the market for a new heavy-duty truck (currently driving a 2020 ram 1500) because I wanted to get a RV for my family and was surprised how limited I was with my current truck. Wish I knew what I know now about payload and such. Anyways... I want to switch over to a Ford F350 vs Ram 3500 because I feel it has better features for the money and you get more bang per dollar. Plus the 7.3! Which is why I wanted to go with the gasser because it's way more reliable than most engines out there (from what I hear). I also do maintenance myself so never owning a diesel it would be a new learning curb. If the diesel was pre-emission like back in the day, I wouldn't hesitate but I keep reading all these mixed reviews. Pretty much go diesel or go home, but I just can't afford my truck being in the shop for emissions problems for God knows how long. My company with big rigs already give me enough anxiety at times, but I hear it's better with power stroke vs Cummins. I would be towing occasionally and under 18k at that. It would be my commuter for both my wife and me with our kids. Videos like this keep telling me to go with the gasser but friends and others say stick with diesel. Only reason I'd go with diesel is because of mpg and bigger fuel tank plus cool sounds of turbo spooling haha. But yeah... 80% leaning towards a new F350 7.3 right now...
You have great points to think about it. Having had mostly diesels, and several big block engines, it purely what you want and want to spend. At this stage in my life, as a commuter which this is, a diesel made no sense. Towing less than 50 days a year, the gasser made the most sense for me and the payload is excellent. And for superduties they are so hot right now that if, and only if someone bought a 7.3 and thought it wasn't enough resale is holding very well, even gas. But since I like to remote start and warm up and idle and stop and go traffic and costco runs, I enjoy not sweating regens.....bonus sounds like an American big block v8......just nice.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 From all the videos I've seen, the only reason people don't like 7.3 compared to a diesel when towing is the shifting and higher RPM (besides mpg). That doesn't bother me as others because I've had plenty of sports cars where it would run at higher RPM so that sound is pleasant to my ears. I honestly don't know how many times I'll be towing, but it definitely won't be nearly as much as I use it for a grocery-getter or commuter. If anything, on the weekends in the summer I'd bring it no more than 300 miles around me to different campgrounds with occasional road trips. Being in New England, we have some hills and mountains depending on where we go, but not nearly as much as the Rockies. The camper we have our eyes on is a 36ft, 9k empty, or 14k max loaded. You'd think an F250 can do this (in some cases yes), but depending on if I go with a 5th wheel setup vs a conventional hitch, that'll eat up payload rather quick on top of 5 people and cargo. I'm not going to buy another truck knowing what I know and be underperformed and limited with what I can haul again, especially for 80k. It's been almost a year since I sold my house and have been hunting for an upgraded truck, but I'm glad I waited cause the prices have come down since then and I was able to research the truck more (also decided I wanted to go with an F350 vs Ram 3500). Last year I used to see mostly 7.3l for sale and very few diesel (I only wanted diesel at that time), but now it's the complete opposite! Go figure, now that I'm ready to buy one, I can't find what I want (new only, plenty used though). I know the longer I wait, the less chance I'll get a new 22, but we shall see. With how things are going economically, I might save more thousands if I wait it out more.
I have a 2018 f-350 diesel. Came from a 15 f-150. I do like the diesel power. However, I’ll go 7.3 Godzilla next time. All of my towing is with 1 hr of my house. The diesel is just overkill unless your running non stop. I snow plow, have dump trailers and gooseneck. The 150 actually did quite well with all the trailers. We still use it as a work truck to this day and it has 260k miles on a 3.5 eco. Go gasser if not hotshotting.
@@petro2342yo, this is my only complaint after switching from ecoboost to Godzilla. Ecoboost tons of low end torque when towing, had to be extreme grade to get her up to 3k rpm. Godzilla on the other hand gets that v8 power higher up in the rpm’s so she revs higher when towing any grade. I prefer the low end torque, but both get the job done
I have a 2021 7.3L with 10R140 trans. I love it! I drove a Nissan Titan for 17 years at 10mpg, so for me this is already an upgrade in fuel economy lol. Not to mention the increased towing capacity. I'm not killing the half ton anymore.
I love my diesel f350… even when I’m not towing I love the sounds and torque. I recommend if you have the extra go diesel for resale
Spend 10k more up front and multiple thousands more in maintenance over the life of the truck just to gain a couple grand more in the end... that still won't make up for the extra spent on maintenance ver the life of it... that makes no sense. I owned a diesel king ranch 350 and this godzilla is much slower off the line with a load, but at speed, no difference, no DEF, no fuel filters...and the last goes on
It’s a wash, the cost of maintenance and parts breakage and def and diesel being higher most places because of douche yuppies going to the local Trader Joe’s in them equals, you didn’t save anything
I have a 22 f250 with the 7.3l gas and I tow 7000 pounds plus cargo in the bed and I absolutely love this truck. 😁
Right in, thanks for posting!
That’s a sweet rig. That’s how I would do mine.
Thank you
6:22 "there is no replacement for displacement" I used to agree with you until the 3.5 EcoBoost entered the room so to speak lol it has more torque than the 7.3 gasser. that being said i absolutely love that u can get big block trucks again haven't been able to get a big block truck from ford since 1996. cool video
Good video. People find it hard to believe I get 15 in the summer and 14+ in the winter (blend difference). Great truck coming from the 3.5 F150.
I agree for being this big and powerful I'm plenty satisfied with the fuel economy. Drive safe out there
Went with the 6.2 with the same 10R140 trans in a 350. Meets my needs, and well proven as a commercial engine.
my dad learned his lesson when he owned a 1989 f250 diesel. yes, it had decent fuel economy but it was expensive to maintain, needed new batteries every 2 years, fuel filters 3 times a year, expensive oil changes, etc etc... he eventually replaced it with a 1996 f350 with the 460 gas engine, and absolutely loved that truck. even though it used more fuel it was much cheaper to maintain and it always started in the winter, something the diesel had problems with.
Fuel filters 3 times a year?! WTF!
Yeah my FIL got rid of his perfectly fine 2500 96 suburban for a diesel excursion, forget the year, this has to be 10-15 years ago. Gotta have a diesel, he'd growl. Had it for a few years and it needed some really expensive fuel system repair. Dumped it and went back to gas. All he needed was to haul his boat a couple times a year. The suburban did a fine job pulling it. Sure the mileage probably sucked but it would have been far far cheaper than replacement with two different trucks.
An 89 is not even in the same ballpark as a new diesel
@@T51B1For real. A GM of that vintage wouldnt even have a Turbo.
You’re right about matching the truck to its job. For towing heavy weights regularly, the diesel is king.
If Ford gets the oiling / lifter issues fixed on Godzilla, it has potential. I’m not confident they will because of their miserable EcoBoom track record with the open-cooling chamber designed blocks that they quietly changed in 2020 with no recall for earlier ticking time-bombs.
Towing MPG on Godzilla is 8-9MPG vs 12-13 on the diesel, so if towing heavy loads a lot, diesel is the way, but for a daily with occasional lighter towing, I see Godzilla as the smart choice.
I’d be happy with either, but I went 6.7 PowerStroke with an aftermarket extended warranty.
I've heard a lot of good things, but it's been people that hadn't put many miles on them, giving a first impression. Turns out they have a lifter issue that turns up between 30-40K miles on a lot of these trucks. The rollers are delaminating, and you pretty much have to put a new top end in them. Hope they get this fixed soon. Maybe they already have. Damn Chinese steel.
Yep chinese heat-treatment more than the steel.
I just bought a 19 power stroke with 75,000. I love it. I could justify a diesel every now and then but bought it for future plans as I start my general contracting business. When towing dump trailers, excavators, and other stuff in Vt diesel is the way to go. The Jake Brake makes a difference and the power helps on the inclines. Mostly tow my 16’ equipment trailer around 7,000 so it’s a bit much day to day. But when the heavy loads come I’m glad to have the diesel around.
@jakeemerick7250 congrats on the new rig! I agree with your biz, the diesel makes sense for sure! And as long as you are happy, all that matters. Good vibes on the contracting, my pops was one for 30 years!
I have a 2020 f550 service truck with the 7.3 and I love it. mileage is not great at 6 mpg but I weigh about 16,000 pounds with a massive 10 foot walk in service box so it’s like a brick flying in the air. It’s detuned with a lower rev limiter and I still don’t having any issues going up or down parlays canyon. I ordered a 2023 to replace my 6.0 powerstroke and don’t feel like I will be loosing much. I see the LHM sticker on the back which dealer did you buy it from? curious if you bought it from the one I work at.
Bought this bad boy at larry miller lakewood
@@automotiveinquiries9673 Aw I see Colorado I’m in Slc utah
How tall is your enclosed body? Im considering a 7.3 if i buy a new f550. My 07 6.0 is a great truck but shes getting old. 14k hours now. Id be weighing close to 19k but its not a van body. More of a brutus style cabinet body with a crane
@@mikehaslett3738 it’s 14ft long 8 feet tall enclosed with cabinets the 7.3 in the f550 only has a gvw of 18000 pounds not sure if you can get more gvw with a different build
I just bought my 2nd F250 with the Godzilla. My 2021 has 200k with no issues. Just got a new 2023. I paid the 21 and it's still my primary
You’re advice is doing a great service to many people. We were looking to pull a 24’ enclosed race trailer, total Weight 10k lbs. dealer keeps pushing us to get a diesel hd but we were recommended by friends to try a new gas 2500, cheaper and more then enough power to tow up to 14k. For us we will only be towing 20 weekends per year and this will need to be a daily driver for the rest of the time. We have a 2023 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas and could not be happier!
That's great...thanks
Over 3 years and 60k with zero issues other than my mirrors. I pull an airstream and equally no issues towing. First gas truck for me, very happy and hoping for another 100k.
I think if you drive longer distances semi-frequently, and tow occasionally the diesel just makes sense to me unless you don’t mind frequent gas stops. I have a 5.7 v8 and am just tired of having to stop for gas so much. I’ve ordered the ‘23 F350 Diesel Tremor and am looking forward to running a 800 plus miles to a tank. A nice change it’ll be for sure. Cost is always a relative, it’s an expensive truck that’s very capable so I hope to take advantage of all it’s potential for my situation.
Congrats on the special order. Keep us posted when you get it!
You planning on a bigger tank than factory? Because you aren’t getting 800
Plus in a tremor with the stock 34 gallon tank.
@@lanehart6525 Diesel(?)
I have two Ram Diesel 1 ton duallys and the next one I trade off will be replaced by a Ford F350 dually with the 7.3 gasser and the 10 speed tranny with 4.30 axle ratio gears.....Diesel Maintenance costs and DEF fluid cost and dollars per mile have gotten outrageous. I know several guys who say they do not regret trading off their Diesels for the new 7.3 Ford gasser and cost of dollars per mile is way cheaper.
@@michaellawcobb2693 the tremor doesn't come with the 8 foot bed, which is the only configuration you can get a 48 gallon tank with. so you can't have the big tank AND the tremor, is what he's getting at. that said, there is an aftermarket tank for around 2 grand that replaces the stock 34 gallon with a 58 gallon (for the gasser). so you can get upwards of 700 some miles on the gasser in a 6.5 foot bed. I'm sure something like that exists for 6.5 foot bed diesels too- easier to get carb compliance with that since diesel isn't combustible like gas.
I have a 22 F-350 Single wheel with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears and it is great, I had a 2019 Chevy 3500 DRW diesel, and I tow 16k with it every day with my land clear equipment. The 7.3 does just as good as my diesel did, with a little less fuel mileage. I don’t miss a diesel at all.
Heck yeah, thanks for posting!
If you’re gonna get a diesel, get an old pre-emissions diesel. I don’t know why anyone in their right mind would want these new fragile, complex, incredibly expensive diesel trucks designed to catastrophically fail the moment the warranty runs out when you could get an absolutely bulletproof truck (that you can fix with a hammer) from back in the day.
I'll agree, the cut off is 07 and a half. Anything before there are still gems put there and no epa stuff.
Totally agree. All the 7.3 Powerstroke needs is an extra gear in the transmission.
I bought an F-350 crew cab dually back in 1994, work truck trim. It ran a 10-inch limited slip rear with 4:11 gears with a five-speed manual transmission. The engine was the 7.5 liter fuel injected V-8., it got 10 MPG regardless of the load it was hauling or towing, just don't exceed 60 MPH or you could watch the fuel gage drop. My first truck was a 1972 F-250, it to was what you might call a work truck. It ran a 10-inch rear limited slip with 4:11 gears, a Warner T-18 four speed manual transmission with creep gear and a 360-V-8. There was no AC, power steering or power windows, 16 inch tires on split rims, no spare tire and no rear bumper.
All great points for sure. 7.3 is a great option. But I'm still not sure why there's so many diesel bashing videos? What's it use, 5 more quarts of oil more? The filters are $55, 30 minute job every 10k mi? Not hard at all. Most guys will spend more time polishing their fancy wheels then it takes for the little extra maintenance. The vast majority of people have no issues with the DPF, myself included. 6.7 is an absolute dream to tow with regardless of the trailer. So tired of the last 20 years of gas engines rpm screaming at altitude in the mountains, just to keep the speed limit. Who cares if you really need it or not? Why do people buy 700 horsepower sports cars when you could Drive around and look cool with 200 horsepower? The reality is most weekend warriors buying lariat ultimates and up are choosing the diesel over 75% of the time. Expensive toys, expensive trucks and lots of disposable income is where these trucks land. Now in the commercial world the 7.3 probably makes more sense in every way for sub 10k towing. If you have the money go for the 6.7. It's better in every way. If not then the 7.3 will do the job just fine.
I agree and by no way was I bashing diesels. It's crazy how much hate im.getting for this video.....lol....I've had every diesel engine made by the big 3 since 1988. Diesel is absolutely awesome for.towing. for the average everyday driver that never tows and idles the truck for hours a day while picking up the kids from school. Yes they will most likely have problems. I sold chevy and ram new and the light used diesels had tons of problems l. Our 6.7s at work only work and yet they regen 5 to six times a week. The gasser will do the job for the people coming into the hd segment and they are towing less than 18k. Also because they don't understand what a diesel needs to stay working. Diesel veterans like us know what diesels take and need. Remember when the first gen cummins had 160hp and 400 lbs of torque and that was enough. And the old 454 had 290 and 410. They put those in class b trucks. Most class a coaches are gas and those are 26k or more. I wanted to try this motor and I think it's a great option for most. If money was no option, go for what you want. Frankly the epa restrictions changed the diesel market for the worse not better. My son is a diesel certified mechanic. And with the ulsd...egr and def issues..tack that on with people not understanding how to use a diesel he said stay away from them. If you use them for their purpose, anyone will have less issues for sure but a diesel used as a commuter and idler...your looking for issues. Drive safe out there.
Jeff, you make many good points. However, the math doesn't lie. You WILL have a less expensive cost of ownership with the gas Superduty. The only downside to owning the gas truck is the resale. I know the majority of people don't think that far ahead. But they should. People have been conditioned to think the diesel is the best overall. I was one of these people for over a decade. The resale is VASTLY better with the diesel because of its popularity. But I assure folks, if they start encountering mechanical issues, the expense and heartache isn't worth it.
The Diesel is also $10 to $12k more to purchase so that’s narrows that margin for gas resale.
@John tho the resale is better you pay a lot up front, and in my opinion it isn't worth it unless you're towing lots. The extra 10-12k adds up to a lot more with the extra tax on top of it, plus most folks I know don't have the money to buy it outright, so financing interest can't be ignored. I've had diesels and realize it's not necessary for me, my 7.3 makes much more financial sense for my tooled up work truck.
@HotRodseventy7 great points, most people would need to get 8 more miles to the gallon for about 50k miles to almost break even on just the diesel cost. They'd then need to keep it for 100k plus. Most don't and with APR's where they are, that 10k option will cost you a bit more in interest. Like you I've had diesels, im.very happy with this motor and truck and it gets really decent fuel.economy so 7.3 all the way for me.
I was so close to choosing the 7.3 when I bought my 22 F-350 SRW. I believe it would suit 90% of the people who buy an HD truck. My thing was the fact that I have a tendency to mile up a vehicle before I decide to trade it. I was a little leery of the lack of a proven track record for this engine. You can't go wrong with the 6.7 in my opinion. I have no idea where people are getting their oil changed but I keep hearing about these $250 oil changes. I change my own using Rotella T6 and it's about $90-$100 with the filter, give or take. And I average almost 22 mpg and I live in a bit of a hilly area. Granted, hooking up a 15K pound 5th wheel changes this quite a bit, but it's expected and acceptable. Don't misunderstand me. I think the 7.3 would be a very wise choice if you're buying an XL or XLT. Maybe even a stripped down Lariat (I have one of the Lariats that has everything the Platinum has except for the headlights and running boards). But if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly. I do like this truck, though.
Not one blinker used 🙄
Thank you youtube, this guy did his homework! I've pulled with a 19 platinum 22 lariat all 6.7 and now own a 7.3 I never said dang I need more power ever! BTW I stay right around 28k-30k once a month towing maybe 100 miles highway.
I got. 2021 F-350 SuperCab 7.3 , 4.30 gears , FX4 , STX . Luv it !
I really like the video and appreciate the feedback. Like you, I live in Colorado and I tow a 25' travel trailer through the mountains. My 2016 3.5EB max tow, Lariat, max everything rips that camper up a 7% grade like it's not there. But that's only when it's not overheating or misfiring under load. I'm just tired of dealing with all its issues and want something else.
Great video, I also went with the 7.3 for the same reason. I have a 2020 tremor and love it
Thanks, love that red!
I have a 2022 crew cab long bed 7.3l and I average about 12 mpg when empty and when I haul 8-13k I only drop to 10-10.5 in mine going 65-70. I haul weekly and this motor is a beast and I am loving the 10 speed. I have 10900 on mine now
I guess in my 75 years I've owned around 30/40 different pickups, and in all of them I've never worried about a few MPG or a few pounds of weight or a few pounds of pulling capacity. Buy the truck you want and drive it, if you worry about all the little things you might find yourself doing RUclips videos
I had a lot of nice trips with my 89 F350 460 towing a good size 5th wheel for that era.
The 7.3 with a 10 speed trans and 3.73 or 4.30 ratio should be a really nice truck. Not only does the PS Diesel cost 10k more to start it's not uncommon to have a 5-10 repair in year 4-5 of ownership. If money is no object get the diesel every time, maybe get two so you'll always have one that's working
One thing I wished you mentioned in the video is longevity of each motor. Honestly I think the 6.7 powerstroke will last longer than the 7.3 Godzilla, but time will only tell. I’ve driven both the 6.7 and 7.3 gas and I have to say the 6.7 has unbeatable power than the 7.3. Another thing I would like to mention I’ve seen multiple videos of the 7.3 lifters failing at 38k to 40k miles I’m not sure of ford had a bad run of lifter or not. I’m sure the newer 6.7 will have their problems too.
When my 6.7 went out of warranty at 100k I had to get rid of it.. I just couldn't fathom being on the hook for a fuel system, Def system, particulate filter failure or egr system. The prices are simply too high. Believe it or not, the 6.7 is engineered to last 150k before replacing. Some won't make it to 150k most will and then some.. while the 7.3 is ford's commercial duty motor.. don't know the engineering specs on it but would imagine 200k being the number..
The 6.7 is a beast no doubt all diesel maintenance cost big money 🙏💪🚗🔧🇺🇸
@@jdl1276 Glad my 7.3 is a 500K truck. 😂PSD that is...🎉
@Nostradamus yeah my 6.7 was my first diesel and while it was wonderful it just wasn't designed to be high mileage. Sure wish it was! And rebuildable...
Regarding longevity Nick, I think you are right. I haven't looked at the ratings but I'm sure the 6.7 is designed to have a longer life than the 7.3 gasser. Thus one of the reasons for the higher front-end cost.
Just rented a 2022 F650 with a 26’ box from UHaul plus a trailer with an SUV and drove 700 miles. The box was packed to the max. The F650 had the 7.3 Godzilla motor mated to a 6 speed. Unbelievable power. Set cruise at 65 for hours. Got 7.5 - 8.0 miles per gallon. Again, unbelievable from an owner of an F250 4x4 with the 6.2/6 speed. This motor has no competition.
The ford 6.7 diesel is only 13qts of oil and it’s $150 for oil and a filter. I would never buy a gas 7.3 over my 6.7. The power, the torque, the fuel mileage, the exhaust brake, the way it sounds, every single aspect of the diesel over powers the 7.3.
Perfectly said
I am super happy with my truck. I have a 22 F250 lariat with the 7.3L on 37s with the 4.10 gear on a 6-inch lift and 8 foot box. I get the same fuel economy as stock with this setup and save 30% in fuel vs my 1500 6.2L Sierra Denali gas that has 35s and a 6-inch lift.
The only thing I tow is a 35-foot boat so it's great for me. The 8-foot box for 4x8 material is all I need when I am doing a home project or helping a friend. The 1500 6.2L LS screaming up hills towing was fun and all but gets old fast.