‘Better Call Saul’ Team Discusses Season 5’s Most Intense Moments
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
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“Better Call Saul” has only one season left and the “Breaking Bad” prequel series stands on the precipice of the grim criminal underworld of that original series. Cast members Bob Odenkirk, Rhea Seehorn, Michael Mando and Tony Dalton, along with series creator and executive producer Peter Gould, joined the Variety Streaming Room for a conversation moderated by Variety senior editor Michael Schneider to examine some of the most intense moments from Season 5 and reflect on how the characters have evolved since the show began back in 2015.
Odenkirk began the conversation by talking about where McGill is now, and how much of him is left as opposed to the slimy Saul Goodman that fans know from “Breaking Bad.”
Nodding along to Odenkirk’s comments, Gould then voiced his agreement about the gradual transformation of the character.
When the series began, Kim Wexler was a moral compass of sorts to McGill, warning him against cutting corners while indulging in the occasional thrill of a grift with him. Now, she has met with the cartel face to face and doesn’t seem eager to back down. Seehorn explained her excitement as an actress about the trajectory of her character in the last season.
Meanwhile, Michael Mando’s Nacho wants nothing more than to exit the world of the cartel since his father’s life is being threatened. Mando commented on Nacho’s journey from an up-and-comer in the organization to being in over his head.
Gould also touched upon a moment in the finale in which Dalton’s Lalo Salamanca crawls through an underground tunnel to escape an assassination attempt.
“One of the great things about this whole cast is these guys are very physical actors and we’re very lucky that they are,” Gould said. “Every single one of them, they act from the tips of their toes to the tops of their head. Tony, I remember watching him crawl through that tunnel like a bat out of hell. It was really exciting and it was hard for the crew to keep up with, but it felt exactly right because the guy is crawling for his life. He’s furious and he’s scared. Just the adrenaline in that moment was just really exciting to watch… As writers, we try to give these guys situations where they can use their physicality, not just the acting in here. A couple of seasons ago, Rhea had a whole scene where she was chasing a runaway car that almost hit an oil derrick. Michael’s jumped over roofs. Bob has been in dumpsters. I don’t know. It’s a good question. Why are we doing this to these guys?” 
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Michael mando's passion for his character is so heartwarming!
I hope he's OK now that the series is over lol
Lalo is now pretending to be an actor to evade the police. smart man.
He's gonna be in the Hawkeye series as a main character it seems. I don't care for superhero shows but damn I will be watching it just for him.
Ditched the mustache too. Next-level.
Super smart
Well played
Lalo is as scary as anyone.
Tony Dalton ironically seems like a really quiet, thoughtful guy in contrast to Lalo's 'bubbly' personality. Michael Mando seems like a smiley happy outgoing dude in contrast to Nacho who was often a stoic and reserved character. Just speaks to how good their acting skills are.
It seems like all Salamanca Actors are opposite their real-life personas; who knew Hector was Jewish?
It's so weird seeing Nacho smiling lol
Please let Nacho and Kim have happy endings.:(
@@alvin156 or a happy ending ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@ElStink4K No, not at all.
@@ElStink4K lolol shut up....no don't. Let kimmy run away w/nacho
"I came here today and Chris, he was not smiling he was not laughing"
If you get that reference you know he does smile
I don't why but I felt scared seeing Lalo Salamanca sitting among them. His character is so, so solid.
I felt the same way! He was looking around, shifting around. I felt he was playing his character.
@@monica11760 Yes exactly.
@@monica11760 you're mentally ill or mentally incompetent if you feel that way 💀
Michael Mando - the only drug cartel member you'd ever want to hug
I love Michael Mando so much
The humane character in the Show you root for.
And give Lalo a high five
Lalo is the type of guy you wanna rock the dance floor with and he would gladly join you
Everything is a game to Lalo. I love that scene when Nacho is rescuing the drug stash and he’s just laughing and eating snacks in his car. He brings such a relentless nature to the show, he’s a fantastic villain and played by a great actor.
He was waiting for him to fail
So he could laugh
For real. Lalo was so affable, so amiable and dangerous.
I love how happy micheal mando is
Breaking Bad was excellent, but Better Call Saul just surpasses every expectation. What I really love is how UNBELIEVABLY nuanced the characters are. I felt like Saul and Mike were way too one-dimensional in Breaking Bad, so I'm glad the cast and the writers get a chance to explore those characters in more depth. At the same time though, I enjoy their characters and character development in Better Call Saul way more than I enjoyed Walter White and all the other main characters in Breaking Bad. Can't wait for season 6!
I don’t think Mike’s development comes close to Walt’s or Jesse’s, sorry
I watched the complete BB show back in 2014 and all 5 seasons of BCS a few months ago. truth is I didn't think BB was great material up until season 3.. that time I thought dexter was even more entertaining.. but boy when I started watching BCS how long did I take to finish 5 seasons? 7days.. that good it is.. fun fact, no matter how good a show is, I will never put anything before prison break..
@@sakibulislam5060 dexter was very entertaining first seasons, last season I couldnt even bare to finish fuck that finale
@Cryer24597 millions of people don't think so.. PB is more of a men's show n u r probably a woman.. reasonable..
Same it kinda surpasses breaking bad in many ways . Can’t wait for season 6 😭 . Meanwhile ig I can start Ozark .
0:00 Micheal Mando enters a different dimension for a few seconds
HAHAAHHAHAH
this made me crack up loud LMFAO
this edible ain't shi-
and the way it cuts back to him smiling is freaking me out HAHAHA
😂😂😂
Rhea Seehorn is not only stunningly beautiful, she has one hell of a vocabulary and a great way of expressing herself to get her thoughts across.
She's as intelligent and smart as the character she plays as
Rhea is an incredible professional with the chops to do it all. Her range is stuningly amazting the way she can transition so effectively to all modes of acting performance.
I adore her. She is amazing.
Man Lalo acted so well as Tony Dalton for this zoom call
😂 i love it
I hope Tony gets more recognition. His character is great. He is an amazing actor and so charismatic
Lalo still looks like he's chilling in the Salamanca mansion.
Lalo my favourite character ever in TV history....
Lalo is hauntingly nice. He's so nice but Tony plays him where you can see the viciousness beneath the niceness.
I wanted to comment but I don't want to go over your comment 🙂,so here goes.. Bob's dog is so cute!!!!
Sure !
Yea he just feels familiar. Like an uncle or cousin.
I like Nacho more
I think it's more than fair to say that Kim Wexler is possibly one of the greatest female characters in ANY media.
She is my fucking hero
Nah
@@HK-kz1wu who is yours then
She’s great, but by far the “best”
I must say I'm impressed by how much she's allowed to be a fully fleshed-out human, and not some sexist fantasy of what a woman is. The fact that two men wrote this character is impressive.
Lalo looking like he's in mexico
with his boys cooking meth behind
@@punisherdutton1354 dont forget that Cartels despise meth
swear he is in mexico
@@richardhuang3353 don't they sell it?
He is in Tulum!
I love how Lalo looks like he is in mexico so his connection sucks lol
Sad, but true most of the time🤦🏻♂️🙄
@@eduardocelis6710 are u dumb. the joke is that his connection sucks cuz he lags and he is "mexican" in the show
@@BetterCallJoe es que tiene infinitum jaja, Tony (Lalo) is Mexican-American he might be in Mexico so it’s even funnier cos mexican Lag
@@BetterCallJoe we know that its a joke, but as a Mexican i can confirm that we have bad connection and its sad. And im sure Lalo its in Mexico.
I'm Mexican, yes the wifi connection sucks!! 😂 btw, he was for real in Mexico in that moment xd
God damn season 6 is probably gonna make me feel the same way I felt about season 5 of breaking bad, I can tell it’s going to be a masterpiece. So hyped
kkk, I also feel too exaggerated
Ozymandias part 2
Your pfp is a damn good album
Sheeeeeeeeesh
Just finished watching Plan and Execution, it's truly a masterpiece I am still in shock
The characters in BCS are just UNREAL. Nacho and Lalo are iconic, and of course the rest. Like fucking hell, it's gonna be a LONG time before anything THIS good comes back.
I thought that too when breaking bad ended - then we got another amazing series by Vince and Peter.
Kim Wexler is the best gf character in the history of tv. Rhea Seehorn deserves emmy for that season and so does show for Best Drama. I hope they will be able to make Season 6 before 2030 because of Corona- so the actors don't get so old that the Breaking Bad scenes become like Fat Todd. Better Call Saul is 10 stars on a scale of 1 to 4.
Changing actors to suit their roles is indispensable. Old actors will reduce the quality of the film
I hope when the show concludes and Gene is coming home from work he walks in and there is his wife Gertrude, with black hair and glasses who used to be a blonde. Rhea's comments about would Kim and Jimmy become the people they became if they had not meant each other got me thinking that most people become who they become when they have the power to do it. The CEO who pressures women to sleep with him only does so because he has the power. If he was just an assistant manager of a 7 11 then he would not have as much.
I agree
2030? Are You insane? Season 6 Will be here in 2 years max
@@gonzaloacosta7673 yeah this dude is tripping on some shit😂
You can tell that Michael Mando really care about his character's future and amazed at how his character is written
i love how michael mando is so attached to his character lol but seriously if nacho dies i can't
if it helps, he was part of Jesse's "crew" so.. there's that.
Please don’t
@@99bajakid wym? Nacho doesn’t show up in BrBa
@@TheGardiner Saul mentions him in Breaking Bad when Jesse and Walt kidnap him.
@@seanlaffey3633 yeah but he wasn’t part of Jesse’s crew
Tony Dalton is so charming
I agree: Lalo is the true star of the show
Bob always seem like a child when he's talking, not the immaturity, but the way he speaks he's so cool
he is very funny
@@AsmuMedia yeah,that's was what I am going to say...he is just so funny
The way the insane Lalo suddenly breaks into a smile is so well played by Tony Dalton!
Rhea has amazingly gorgeous eyes
*Yeah hands down. Powerful eyes. Like a lionesss*
@@effortlessawareness8778 and a queen
Tony looks like my teacher when his wifi goes down
I'm so proud of the fact that Michael rose to stardom as Vaas in Far Cry 3 and is now in such a successful show.
WOOORRDDD 💪🏾💪🏾🙌🏾!!...... That man Michael DOIN’ it 🙌🏾🙌🏾!
Nacho: keeps trying to kill Salamancas to get out of the drug world
Vaas: Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
Is it possible to love actors so much? I mean THESE actors, and Mike and Gus. They all changed the history of TV fiction with this show.
Dont blame you. They are awesome
And the world we live in sucks.
Saul and Lalo too
No lie I love this cast. Probably like them more than the BB cast.
Lalo's feel like streaming his video from his secret hide house lol. Love them all!
I really appreciate Rhea Seehorn always giving props to the other non-acting crew members by name.
"Don't kill me off too quick, Peter" 21:25
you gotta love him
even before Bob said get your fake head ready!
Lalo Salamanca graces us with his presence in this interview but idk why the interviewer kept calling him Tony ?
ikr, mr DeGuzman must be bery offended that the host kept messing up his name.
Cuz that's what Lalo told him to call him no questions asked
Because Tony Dalton plays Lalo Salamanca?
@@4chartown4 Thanks Captain Obvious.
IKR dude was faking his own death and stuff and now he's being interviewed pretending to be this "Tony Dalton" gentleman while got something on mind. I mean look how far our boy has come
BCS has already surpassed BB in my mind as far as storytelling. SO MANY angles instead of one focal story, even though that focal point is Jimmy. I love the character focuses BCS brings to the table and so many twists. BB is awesome, but I think at this point BCS has taken the throne for me. And I dont hate the main character after 5 seasons haha
The characters here are more nuanced and twisted than Breaking Bad. They created a great Universe...
This. BCS has gotten better than BrBa pretty quickly, imo. Same quality of directing and writing and acting, but with compelling characters instead of characters you want to slap constantly.
@@SCharlesDennicon I want to slap Jimmy and Kim far more than Walt and Jesse. Walt took me until second viewing to see more of how bad he is, while Jimmy/Saul doesn't try to hide or rationalize that he is a terrible person.
its like you expect BCS as a setup to BB but in reality BB is now the setup to BCS.
@@ins3kta886 so fucking true. I was thinking about whether it would be better to watch BB or BCS first, but I really think you’re right
That was the best scene in the show, when Kim, Saul and Lalo are in the apartment and Kim confronts Lalo. Amazing. It showed the control and the intellect of Kim. What was an amazing confirmation is when Mike says to Saul that Kim just saved his ass. I loved that confirmation.
For me this was the season that really pushed better call Saul over breaking bad. I just love all the characters so much
I swear, I'm crushing on Rhea like crazy.
Kudos Rhea Seehorn for naming names! She gives credit where credit is due; where others refer to people by their occupation, Rhea personalizes every individual along with their contributions. (Without the people behind the camera there would be no point in being in front of it.)
Also - did anyone else feel a little guilty when they realized they liked BCS better than BB?...
Long live Nacho's dad! XO
Werner Ziegler...ZIEGGGGLER
Peter Gould at 10:38 perfectly encapsulated why shows like Game of Thrones failed to stick the landing. Surprise and subversion of expectation works if there is reasonable argument to be made as to why a decision was made. The breadcrumbs don't have to be a straight line, but at least they should lead to the answer.
This show has the best characters on tv. Nacho is such a lovely, nuanced role, and Michael Mando just nails it. They all do, hard to pick a favorite. Hell, I actually quite like Howard even. I feel kind of bad for what's gonna happen to him if Kim and Jimmy do indeed go scorched earth on him.
He dieded
Nacho is one of the most if not the most likable character. ever for me. He plays his part amazingly.
Michael Mando has the warmest smile.
The writers really did a great job writing the characters. Each one had such great depth to them. I especially loved Chuck's actor's performance.
He performed someone with OCD very faithfully
Michael McKean should have gotten an Emmy for Season 3, especially for the episode "Chicanery".
the glitch at 21:42 is like out of a horror movie
Michael Mando is like a human teddy bear
😊 true
Tony is planning something, look at him, he's planning something.
LMAO NACHO SMILING IS ADORABLE
Hahahaha I love their reaction on how ridiculous it sounds to have a happy ending for Nacho lol or any of the characters for that matter
It's interesting how much michael monde is different from nacho . He always smiles in his interviews , and answers every single question with so much interest ,
And no matter it's nacho or michael monde... i love this guy's voice and way of talking :)
I'm just happy to see Arthur Hobbs got his dog Tugboat back from his ex wife
Man I wrote the same comment ahhaah
Hhh ikr
Tony felt forced at first, but has become one of my favorite characters in the BB universe.
His character introduction reminded me of Sauls intro to BB, because they both bring this jarring energy into the show and take the plot to unexpected places, but become integral to the show
@@nateryan1820 he's the perfect foil for Gus, off the cuff and playful, while also terrifying when he wants to be
Y Tony, como buen mexicano, tiene la conexión más culera de todas ajajaja
No paro de reír porque pensé lo mismo, en cuanto comencé a verlo👍🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
35:32 Lalo keeps his eye on Nacho, be careful this time man....
Lalo is simply a polite Tuco
Nacho with the goofy smile lol
Michael mando my beloved. He’s so sweet and loving and smileyyy onggg :( now I know why I felt so much emotion for nacho and why his ending absolutely killed me- it’s because it was the same for him! The way he was shaking 🥺 ILY MICHAEL
The look on Bob's face when Rhea/Kim walks away at the courthouse, that was the best acting of the expression of true love I've ever seen.
I just recently watched the show on Netflix. While I wasn't that big a fan of BB, I imeadiatly loved BCS. Mostly cause I find the characters much more likable over all and I enjoy the humor as well as the cons that it brings.
That said, after I finished season 5 I started to look for a few interviews and that the cast is quite funny is icing on the cake. The story about adobting the dog just stole my heart.
@Cryer24597 i get that. I do. And I'm nit saying the characters are bad or the acting - both are brilliant, as you said. I just... Guess i prefer spending my time with likable characters 🤣
Also, i think what annoyed me most was that, yes Walter gives i tk these things but he's in complete denial about it. Which makes sense but much like Skyler i could not hear him saying how he did it for then anymore 🤣
I didn't love it at first. But got into it after the first season
Excuse me, adobting?...
@@ejb2865 well sorta. i think while filming Bagman putnin the desert they Bad a pregnant dog coming to them all they time. Bob ended uo taking her home (in ABQ he, Rhea and Patrick shared while filming) (and to a vet). It's a heartwarming story, Patrick ended up adopting her and one of the puppies. They found homes for ghr other puppies, too.
Tony Dalton en la vida real si parece el jefe de un cartel ☠️ de hecho creo que se conectó desde su hacienda😆🤣🤣🤣
Probably the best drama(dy) ever made. Possibly better than BB. Zero fat. Brilliant in every way.
Tony still in character.
Nachos face the first second Lmfao
It does not, in fact, end happily for you Michael 😢. At least his dad is safe tho. I thinks that’s all he truly wanted. Great redemption story
😢
20:00 let's see, one year from now, how well this will be aged
Unlike late-night show hosts filming themselves from home, these folks know how to dress up.
Who cares
Nacho leaving cartel life and becoming an actor wow. He looks happy. Same goes for lalo glad he left his family and forgave Nacho.
Excellent interview.
Love Bob's dog!
2:18 This is the exact moment Bob's dog became Saul's dog. Bravo Vince
Omg Lalo is so hot
ONGG
Tony is a hottie!
Lalos camera really is on a whole different level of quality
7 million dollar camera
He is salmanka
@@mohmd_1986 Eduardo Salamanca but you can call him LALO
nice to see a brotha
I'm so hopelessly in love with Rhea
Lalo (Tony Dalton) scares the crap out of me just sitting there.
Dang tony looks like the most handsome of the group. And it's odd cause micheal is the most
@18:29 Michael Mando nailed it! "Nacho" and the dad scenes really broke my heart and Michael and Juan Carlos Cantú did such an awesome job playing the roles they feel so REAL so we feel that pain and love. I was hoping somehow Nacho and his dad would get away and finally have peace and a good life. Michael is a wonderful.
Nacho crosses my mind, like literally, about every other day. I worry about his future, his fate, and his father. I wrack my mind for possible scenarios where he might "get out" with his life intact. And, of course, I fantasize about myself in the middle of a Nacho, Jessie sandwich!
It doesn't make any sense to kill Nacho. He hasn't impacted Saul in any significant way yet. If he just dies then his whole story served no purpose.
I agree it would be a waste to kill him off, but I don't think I agree he hasn't impacted Saul.
Remember that Nacho was the first cartel member he represented after he talked Tuco out of beating the hell out of him, and is the guy that the cartel know Saul through.
He played a big part dragging Jimmy into the big crime world, and he keeps showing up to ensure Jimmy keeps getting dragged back in.
Nacho was the initial link between the cartel and jimmy so yes he has impacted him in as significant way
@@blackmadamada2259 Not really. He was originally written to be the guy who connected Jimmy with the cartel back in season 1 but the writers reconsidered because they didn't want the transformation into Saul to be too fast. All Nacho did was offer Jimmy a deal which he rejected. Years later, when Jimmy actually starts working for the cartel, it's Lalo's idea not Nacho's. (You can hear about all of this in the Better Call Saul Insider's Podcast where the writers discuss the story).
Seriously, by season 5, Nacho is nothing but a really intense client Jimmy once had. Nacho's whole storyline about sabotaging the Salamancas has been very influencial to Mike but not to Jimmy's.
@@pavassuyal2728 i mean it doesn't make sense to kill him in a narrative way.
I do feel like Crazy 8 might be the one to kill him, just to bring the charachter to its starting point in bb
I love how they are all fans and very genuinely so.
at this point, I can see BCS could potentially surpassing BB as the greatest television series in history
@@kimbohendo6993 no lol
@@hinasakukimi GOT EVISCERATES ALL
@@hinasakukimi He is right....... thrones at it's best is most dominant show all time
@@kimbohendo6993 it falls apart after season 4
@@kierangroudon6641 hard disagree. season 1-3 (and maybe some of 4) are very impressive but what matters most are the characters & consistency. the characters vince created have been consistently good from start to finish.
I personally think that Kim Wexler is truly a straight laced individual, but is over- compensating in the wrong direction because people keep telling her that she isn’t in her right mind.
Lalo is still at his home in Mexican village as you can see
I think the Jimmy character has covered Saul up until the reinstatement of attorney license speech. That's when u realize Saul spreading his wings.
Bob is adorable by himself, but that pupper steps up his cuteness game. 😍😍
With the Lalo/Jimmy/Kim scene, I thought the "tell me again" was a trying to see how much repitition there was in the retelling. The more repetition the more it comes off as only a story that was memorized beforehand and is being recited for effect. But yes, the pressure is another important factor.
Yep, Jimmy was intentionally telling a different version each time (probably based on Mike's advice.)
its insane how good the writing and the cast portray the writing... its just amazing....
i really want to see another spin off thats focused on Salamancas back story... Lalo is just terrifying....
can't wait for a new season
Any spin-off movie or series notoriously never makes it. Better Call Saul completely decimated this normality by being just as amazing as Breaking Bad.
Rhea, classy and flawless as always. I'm in love
Bob's dog is so cute sitting there looking right into the camera like it wants to do his interview too! Adorable and loves Bob and you can see he loves the dog.
The mob boss mr. Dalton and his crew
I always get a "young Tommy Lee Jones" vibe from Tony.
Tony Dalton's sentences consist of "you know"
That dog is amazing!!! I knew I loved Bob.
Lalo : Tell me again !! and Saul was clever, he changed his story just a little bit everytime. Congrats to all, you are amazing actors and we have a blast watching the episodes. wow
This show is the best ever. I don't want it to end!
Nacho “don’t kill me off to early”
Season 6 ep3 🤯
Me conecté mas con los personajes de Better Call Saul! Me encantan