Brilliant vid, Tom. I got the Scarp 1 Ultra, with carbon fibre poles, shortly after it came out, and I have a love/hate relationship with it (mostly the former). I've had it in some horrible conditions, and it has shrugged them off like they were nothing (certainly better than any other tent I have would've done). Pros: - super lightweight - extremely stable - roomy (I've managed to squeeze my daughter in when we had a problem with her tent up on the fells) - it looks cool - vents pretty well, considering the sailcloth is not at all breathable - I think it's pretty good value for such a high spec tent Cons: - Sailcloth Ultra doesn't like sharps. I've had to repair a slice caused by the wind blowing the fly against the pot holder arm on my (cold) stove. On the same night the centre pole at the foot end came out of its socket and ended up puncturing the fly. - the floor of the inner is thin, and not so waterproof. I forced water through it with the weight of me on my mat. I have a cheap Tyvek footprint that does the trick, but it's a pain to peg out properly, then pitch the tent onto, if there's even a modicum of wind. - some of the functional parts feel like they were made to be just good enough, like 'that'll do' kinda thing. I'm talking of the pole sockets, the door magnets, the main pole arch sleeve being fiddly to feed the pole through if any part of the tent is pegged out. A lot of Terra Nova's tents have that same sort of not-quite-finished feel, too. On balance, though, the Pros far outweigh the Cons. Incidentally, if I were buying it again I'd probably get the ally main pole, as that does the heavy lifting of the structure, and keep the carbon crossing poles, so it would be a minimal weight increase. Btw I love the deeper, more thoughtful analysis that you do on the products you review. Cheers again 😊
Hey thank you for the detailed comment sharing your experience.. I haven't used this one extensively maybe 8 camps.. I think the tent was a little rushed out for production as like you say the arch pole holders are minimal and represent a challenge in windy conditions.. The pole sleeve is tight but has loosened up.. As far as I know they have fixed the magnet and the pole end holders on the Silnylon tent are bigger.. Thank you for listing out the pro s and cons.. best wishes Tom
@@deaneager Thanks for a detailed review of your experience with the scarp ultra. IMO I wouldn’t use carbon for the main arch pole as the material tends to shatter or break which can damage any fly. I use the carbon crossing poles but happy with the aluminium arch pole. Time will tell on this fabric but I’ve loved using something different as an alternative to sylpoly/sylnylon shelters and is a bit cheaper than DCF. Atb
Hi Tom. Firstly it’s great to see you so happy with your scarps; these tents aren’t cheap and you need to really love them which I know you do. Interesting to see both these options side. Although I don’t own a TT I’ve been a real fan of their innovative designs for a long time. Having been out with you when you had the scarp both seem very rigid and strong with good internal space. The ultra fabric is really different and I hope it’s as durable as it seems. My biggest gripe as you know is the inner floor. I still don’t know why TT wouldn’t make these with a 40d floor, for me a very minimal weight penalty for a significantly more robust 4 season material. People talk about pack size, but again that’s a trade off for the strength and personally I rather deal with a larger pack size than a weaker tent when the weather gets rough. Looking fwd to really testing your scarp in the next few months; I’m sure I can still convince you that camping in 50mph will be good craic 😉. By the way that Jannu footage is still mental you lunatic 😂
Hey Gary, as always great to hear your thoughts so thank you for your time.. Yes that floor is my gripe too... The 20d also feels less premium that the 30d on the standard Scarp.... I suspect Tarp Tent do this potentially for business reasons and making differences in the two tents (but then thats why they exist after all). The ultra has actually improved pack size wise over time.. On rolling both up here there is not much difference now... Both pack quite long and thin and its only a matter of packing your pack differently... Yes more than up for getting out in big winds again... Talk soon... Tom
Great comparison mate. The Scarp 1 is a very capable tent (when pitched correctly 🙂). I've had my standard version for many years. The only downside for me is the inability to pack it away a small as I could due to the carbon uprights. I know these can be taken out but it's a bit of a faff. I enjoyed my short time with the Ultra too, found it to be noticeably more robust than the standard - the fabric hardly moved in the wind, but for me it was probably a bit too technical for what I would use it for. I hope to get many more years out of my standard Scarp 1 👍
Hi Chris, great to hear from you and I hope you are well.... Thank you for sharing your experience of the Scarps.. Its great to hear that the standard scarp is proving pretty durable... How are you getting on with your Nammatj ? best wishes Tom
Hey William, than you for the feedback.... I cant separate them as I prefer the fly on the Ultra and the inner on the Silnylon... Happy camping and best wishes... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I've had a scarp1 for over 10 years now and just updated to another.... Not the ultra but I did add carbon poles. I sold my Hilliberg unna as it simply didn't even come close to my Scarp1 on all levels.
Great to hear it for good ol' silnylon - a tent fabric which has stood the test of time and still performs as well as it ever did. I'm particularly pleased you rate it so highly because the Ultra came out a year after I bought my Scarp so I can't help wondering if I'd missed a trick. Also delighted that someone with your breadth of tent experience agrees that the Scarp is all the tent you need in most conditions, at one of the best weights available. The only time I don't take mine is when I opt for my Notch - purely for the weight saving (nearly 500g) when I'm confident conditions will be reasonably mild - and I still miss the Scarp! Regarding pack size, I find the Scarp fits vertically into a side pocket on my pack. The 30D floor still isn't proof against my burning a neat little hole through it with a flying matchhead! All fixed with a neat little repair patch. I use the aluminium arch pole and carbon cross poles, although I hardly ever bother with the cross poles. I use the central panel pullouts in conjunction with my hiking poles though, which adds slightly to stability and internal space.
Hey David, yes the Silnylon is a great job for sure and so many great tents are still using it with no sign of change.. it feels pretty slippy and thick on the scarp which is great... I never thought about storing in a side pocket but you need to be careful if its not protected against any abrasion if you walk past something sharp... I only mention this as about 30 years ago I put a hole in all my tent layers from a barbed wire fence when I had my tent on the outside of my pack... A brand new Terra Nova Quasar.. Wasn't the end of the world as I never liked the tent haha... great to hear of your pole combo choice and I know many use the centre pullout with a trekking pole... I prefer the weight of the crossing poles and the fact that they attach to 4 points of contact on the fly and not just one... thats my only thought... best wishes and thank you for sharing... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I agree about the possible dangers of the single mid-panel pullout, so I incorporate a loop of 3mm bungee in the hope that will prevent 'sudden loading' at that point.
Another brilliant and informative video Tom. The search for the perfect tent continues! I have a Hilleberg Enan, much of which I love. However, as you say, the fact that the flysheet comes right down to the ground reduces ventilation with the result that there is always total condensation owing to the poor ventilation.
Hi, thank you for watching and taking the time to leave me a comment and share your experience of the Enan... Yes I prefer a low cut fly but not right to the ground for this very reason... Best wishes Tom
Great video Tom, having used euston cyclone carbon poles on an access 2 tent (if tarp poles are the same) there durability was poor and at the time it was an issue for many on forums. I have sections replaced under the warentee due to ends splitting, and then one snapped under 20mph wind. Your poles may be a different material, or possibly construction has changed, but it's worth keeping in mind.
Hey thank you for the comment and sharing your experience and thoughts 💭.. I have seen carbon poles split before so time will tell... These do feel well made and a number of manufacturers are using them...I will definitely handle them with care though.. best wishes Tom
I'd go for the white tent; but the color. In snow where you want a high viz tent , it would be invisible; in the highlands where you want to blend in, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Would be nervous about having carbon fibre poles as worried about them snapping when bending in high winds.
Hi thank you for commenting and sharing your thoughts on so many of my videos... Quite a few manufactures are now using carbon poles so it will be interesting to see how they fair in the future... best wishes Tom
I’m on my second Scarp 1 (both silnylon ones). I wish I had got the carbon fibre pole. While I appreciate the advantages of the Ultra fabric, I prefer the muted colour of the silnylon one. I’ve had both my old and new Scarp out in bad conditions and they’ve always felt very solid. It’s a great design. It has enough room but is still compact. As you say, two vestibules is great. Unless weight is crucial, it’s still the best one person tent on the market IMO.
Hey thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with the Scarps..Yeah both the Silnylon and Ultra are great options.. I still can't decide which I would sell if I had to..When you look at functional features then hard to beat IMO... best wishes Tom
Another useful review thanks Tom! Well, can’t be many people who buy two of the same - you’d better watch out lest people start calling you a tenthead 😂. Very surprised to hear you like the silnylon original as much as the Ultra. I had expected the Ultra’s lack of wind flap to trump all other considerations.
Hi Peter, Sure Hilleberg and many others only use silnylon and they are awesome tents.. I know in ten years is will still be going strong... I dont know about the durability of the Ultra and there is so much bonding involved which is a potential for failure.. I like it but there is still not much evidence around really demonstrating how strong it is.... Tarp tent avoid giving tear strength figures or stats.... Thank you for watching and take the time to leave me a thoughtful comment... How are you getting on with the Nammatj ? best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I’ve stopped using it for summer. I’m back to my Unna with mesh inner. I’m going to sell the Soulo and then either keep the Nammatj or sell it and buy a Tarra 😳. Attraction of Tarra is headroom suited to me, dual vestibule, and wide opening doors with views. I like to see outside and the Soulo and Nammatj have restricted views (as seemingly do most other tents). Rival for Tarra would be Kaitum 3 with similar headroom and door height but more footprint (a negative) but half a kg lighter (if fitted with BL poles and pegs). Tarra is a narrower width that’s fit our sitting room for drying and is self supporting which is quite an advantage IMO - conceivably could be pitched onto smaller sites in good weather with one or both vestibules weakly secured. My concern is I may not like it (too heavy) and will be difficult to sell on so haven’t finally decided against the Nammatj which has many excellent qualities.
I was interested in the scarp 1 until I saw videos on the fabric ripping in (very) strong winds. I usually hike above the polar circle where there are no marked trails, no cabins, and multiple days of hiking to reach safety. If my tent rips out there I could be in a pretty bad situation. I'll take the extra weight and stick with my Hilleberg's for now. If there ever is a scarp 1 released with stronger fabric and some minor changes to one of the (seemingly weakest) guy line attachment point I'd be super interested though.
I have seen a TV doc where two Hillebergs both had torn fabric in Alaska... This can happen to any tent as they are all lightweight portable structures.. I too have seen this video you are talking about as far as I am aware. It is hard to know what the exact circumstance were juts like the video that I saw... This is a new version (Ultra)of the scarp here with brand new fabric... But I understand 100 percent if you still want to trust Hilleberg.. I did for many years... best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I don't know how popular the Scarp 1 is and how many tents have been used compared to all the Hilleberg's but I've seen multiple videos where the fabric has ripped on the Scarp 1. I don't know whether the tents were silnylon or the new ultra though. I'd love to test something else than Hilleberg, especially considering how expensive their tents are (at least where I live). But I've used them for many years and I trust the brand. I have the Akto and Nammatj 2 atm and I've never had any issues with any of them. But I usually hike alone and I find the Akto a little too low to be sitting in and I'd really like to have something more confident when the going gets though. The Nammatj is a beast but bigger than I need really, pretty heavy and overkill for most situations. I'm leaning towards Unna with 10mm poles. But I don't know, maybe I'm just blinded by my trust in the brand. Maybe I should broaden my perspective a little.
Nice vid Tom, but there's no way it's more stable than the Soulo BL or other Hilleberg tents. The poles alone are 3mm thicker on the Hille. I've never had any issues with my Fjällräven or Hilleberg tents. My MSRs have failed, Zpacks, the condensation is terrible. :) Plus there are so many poles for this tent. :( Tarptent makes great tents though..
Hi I did not say it was.. I made a comparison tent structure wise but not for ultimate performance.. I have owned both but not tested the Scarps in as high winds as I have my Soulos.... These tents have 3 poles the same as the Soulo.... BUT the rods at the end are extra. These however add much strength and functional space and just make the tent pack long and thin and not as compressible... best wishes Tom
Just returned from 12 day mountaineering expedition in Caucasian mountains and had some issues with my scarp 1 ultra. Center rod that holds fabric off from face is came off, it is stitched to the fly on the one end and suspect that stitching was not strong enough. I have carbon arch pole and it is broke where pole sections connects to each other, repaired it with tube and some tape. And the worst part is that flysheet teared along the arch pole seams at vestibule area. Disappointed as too many failures for a 4 season expensive tent in one trip.
Wow that’s very disappointing and sorry that happened to your tent. I’m interested in the soon to be released arc dome but use of the ultra fabric is so new that I would have concerns over construction durability…this hasn’t helped ease them!
Hi, I am also really sorry to hear this as I have encountered none of these issues... Thats a really big number of failures.... What has been the response from Tarp tent? best wishes on getting a positive outcome from this... Tom
Hello from Norway Tom, another great video. Thanks for all your work. Just a quick question, these compared to the Akto? Keep the weight and price out, witch one? Cheers
Scarp 100 percent.. More comfortable in high winds, more space, better ventilation, more versatile with carbon or aluminium poles and fabric choices, and two vestibules that are retractable.... I hope that helps. Tom
I much prefer the Scarp.. It's stronger, lighter, better ventilation, more space and more versatile with two vestibules and pole options.. Build quality is good enough too.. Best wishes Tom
I have the Scarp 1 silnylon version and think its great. You are right about the pack size and it is a (not insurmountable) pain packing it when all my other tents sit nicely in the top of my pack. I have used it on top of Rubers Law in Scotland in winter (with snow) and it was fine. One question... im looking to get some carbon poles and wasnt sure of the length required? (mine has no poles). Do you know the length of them? Cheers
Hi David, awesome to hear that you have a Scarp..... thank you for sharing... The Arch pole is 305mm and the crossing poles are 366mm... I hope that helps. best wishes and enjoy the benefits of the poles... Tom
Great comparison Tom - I have both and love them both for the space, practicality and strength of them I would be interested in what you think about the crossing poles? Henry Shires says they are for snow loading not wind strength but I feel more safe with them in in windy conditions - what do you think?
People keep saying this but thats not what it says on the website regarding the crossing poles.... On the website it states snow and high winds... They definitely add support in high winds and maintain separation too... best wishes Tom
Top notch Tom again. I prefer the look of the silnylon but I get the advantage of the other with not absorbing water. I think with that internal space it has to beat the Akto, doesn't it or would you still put the materials of the tried and tested Akto over the Tarp 1?
Hi, I sold my Akto and have no regrets.. I much prefer the Scarp.. Lighter, more space, more comfortable in high winds, Fabric on Fly is just as good.. The Inner and the floor are fine.. Two vestibules, better ventilation and crossing pole options.. It's a much more thoughtful design as the Akto hasn't changed or been developed.. The Akto is a nice little tent and great quality but it just has functional issues which I myself overlooked just because it was a Hilleberg.. best wishes and always appreciate you views and comments. Tom
Great video, I’ve just subscribed. I like to do multi day hikes and normal go for a trekking pole tent but this could very well be an option for longer trails in Scotland, particularly thinking cape wrath where weather can be so variable. One question, how easy is it to separate the inner and outer? I like to do this to keep inner as dry as possible on hikes. Cheers
Hey Stewart great to hear that you have subbed to the channel thank you very much.... The inner and outer are a little fiddly to separate IMO.. Its not a deal breaker but it takes a bit of time just to un do all the attachment points... best wishes Tom
Hi Tom, do you still have a place in your pack (and your heart) for the Soulo? I love my Scarp 1 SilNylon which replaced my old friend the TN Voyager, but I have had several nervous nights when the wind has revved up unexpectedly when camping higher up. It has held but I’ve not slept soundly as I’ve fretted waiting for disaster with the windward side of the tent getting an ‘uncomfortable’ workout… So I’ve been thinking for a while about investing in a Soulo for peace of mind (and sleep!) on those sort of trips planned for camping higher up in autumn and late winter, partly based on your comprehensive Soulo videos, keeping my Scarp 1/Durston x mid for lower/multi-day camps. I’d be interested in your thoughts on this as much of what you say in your videos chimes with my own philosophy for ‘pragmatic lightweight comfort’ developed over my own 25 years of wild camping in the mountains, 90% of which is in the Cairngorms and NW Highlands. BTW thanks for the effort and thoughtfulness of your videos on here, all of which are excellent
Hi, if you are camping regularly in exposed winter conditions then I would still pick a BL Soulo.. it's weather resistance and durability are unmatched IMO.. Just insanely heavy and small.. Also you could consider a Jannu or Nammatj 2 at a similar weight.. Stick an extra pole on the windward side of the Nammatj.. best wishes Tom
Hi Tom Great review. Thinking about the Scarp1 fir Scottish winter hills. Currently have a Terra Nova Voyager and Durston Xmid 2p. The issue i have with the durston is when wet either through rain or condensation you get wet when opening the doors. Is this an issue with the Scarp, when opening from the inside do you get wet
Noticed your main gripe between the two is the floor on the ultra fly version. Can you just swap out the inners to get best of both worlds? I wonder if tarptent would allow an order on that basis if you enquired direct.
Yes you are absolutely right.... I could change them but I think I will just hammer the Ultra inner and if it fails then repair or order the 30d floor one from the silnylon.... If I was ordering one I would definitely contact Tarp Tent regarding this.... best wishes and thank you for your thoughts.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 just checked the website and it literally says a 3g difference (340g for ultra TNT Vs 343g for silnylon) between the two solid inners! Seems like a massive 'why bother' to have two different manufactured inners for no real weight difference!
Hi Tom, If you had to recommend a 2 person tent within the same parameters of the Scarp's what would you pick? The Scarp 1's look like a really good tent!
Hi Jordan, the only other tents I would generally recommend would be a Hilleberg Akto or Soulo.. Its actually a very broad question as different tents will excel at different things...I will be doing a tent award video very soon so this will cover other tents... best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 cheers, will you be going back over previous reviews and grading tent like your hillebergs? i see you have the arc? its very unna like, was hovering over the buy now for the arc, but got the scarp ultra fly instead.
Thanks for your opinion... So what do you recommend that has similar strength, weight, space, ventilation, pole options, and two vestibules... Or maybe these features don't matter to you .. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I realise that the strength to weight ratio is good, I just think the design is poor (poles sticking out all over the place, the small strut poles I've never liked in any tent, small vestibules, guy lines everywhere, 1.8 kg with the extra poles, nylon fly ! I'd have a poly fly any day). I'd either go with something a little heavier and tougher for bad weather, and something lighter and bigger in better weather - is all. anyway, I enjoy your informative reviews.
Awesome! Looking forward to more comparisons of these! Maybe another “I camped with two tents” vid like with the Durston X-mid and Hilleberg Akto? Cheers!
Hey that's great to hear that you have bought.. Great if you have different poles too to change around. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Best wishes Tom
Thanks a lot for the great review and comparison, Tom! As always, very well-made and insightful. May I ask you two questions: 1. What is your impression of the attachment points that connect the pole straps to the fly? To me, they represent potential weak spots that would make me feel a bit uncomfortable in higher winds or snow loads. Have you defined a windspeed limit for yourself for this tent? 2. Compared to your Samaya Assaut2 8K: How does it compare regarding (a) strength and (b) livability/comfort? Best!
Hey thank you for the comment... I have no concerns about any of the construction at any points. There are 5 pole strap attachment points on each side so this spreads the load which is important.. I know many dont use the crossing poles and just use a trekking pole to guy out one point... I wouldn't do this in high winds as it puts all the pressure on one area. Windspeed limit I haven't tested and tents have surprised me in the past so it's hard to say. I would estimate 50mph no worries and not really prepared to test above this anymore as its really hard on the tents that are worth so much money and only gets a handful of more views on RUclips.. Compared to the Samaya its probably as strong end on but stronger side on due to the arch pole... Liveability the Scarp would win due to the rods at the ends giving better vertical functional space. The twin vestibules help too but there is not much in it.. The Samaya potentially has one very functional massive end vestibule and excellent room for one... Tom
I think the Hogback looks like a great option. Yes it's 1900g with the alu pole, but it's also Sil-Poly (Tarptent's only Scarp-style tent in that fabric), and it has a lower solid part of the semi-solid inner, which allows even more ventilation than the Scarp 1 and 2, but still offers some protection. Also with a 218 x 218cm interior, there is loads of space for two or three people on wide pads, plus gear. Only downside is the vestibules are small, and like every other new tent these days it has magnetic door ties, instead of toggles, unfortunately. Obviously overkill for one person, but for someone who can only afford one tent and wants to use it with a partner, family, or friends, as well as on their own, I think it looks perfect.
Hi Chris thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience.. The hog back is a strange looking tent but pretty functional for sure.... The interior space and weight are pretty good.. Unfortunately it doesn't seem very popular IMO.. best wishes Tom
If possible could you weigh these tents exactly as you have them set up please (pegs, footprints etc). Also just the weight of the arch and crossover poles in carbon and aluminium . So we can work out the total weight for different configurations.
I am sorry to be honest all of this I do on my spare time which takes hours to film, edit and answer comments.. RUclips pays me £4.00 per 1000 views so there is only so much I am prepared to do for free... So far I have spend about 8 hours on this for about £8... Thats a pound an hour.... sorry....and close to binning RUclips so many times... There is decent information on the Tarp Tent website.. best wishes Tom
Excellent review. Covers everything 💯. Ive just ourchased a 4 season tent called a Mont supercell. Australian company. Tunnel tent. Im 62 and have a chronic illness but used to be one of those “mad hikers” lol. We used to go ultra light. Sadly in the middle of summer at Mt Kosciusko we got smashed by a storm wind rain then snow. Massive gear failure including tent. We basically had to use the emergency hut to regroup. So, for me, even tho i cant do the extreme hikes (dreadful osteoporosis), i bought a 4 season for that “peace of mind” As for glues etc- i have a pair of Scarpa boots i bought in 1982. Walked the world and apart from beeding resoleling they are perfect. Upgraded to new one a few years back and they have done little work. Well, mid hike, in snake infested country, the soles fell off and i had to hike back out bare foot. The terrain was swampy and rocky. My daughter had the same issue with hers. Apparently re glues if the company mentions “environmentally friendly manufacturing” you can be assured any bonding method will ultimately fail. I lost faith in local suppliers and sort advice from the Keswick Boot Co- brilliant!! I now have a pair of zamberlains! Purchased without fitment and tbey got my size exactly right via photos. Soooo if youre up in Keswick seek them out 😊 in the meantime im hiking (with a hip replacement) and sleeping with security in my 4 season tent! Thanks for reading this Tom
Hey Simon, I really appreciate you sharing your experience.... especially on the bonding thats really interesting.... Yes sleeping pads from all brands dont tend to last well.... I personally would be a little wary of the ultra here long term as there is loads of sticking, patches and bonding.... BUT I really like it and worth the risk for me... I have looked at Mont tents a few times and they look really good... I will now have a look at the supercell... best wishes Tom
Brilliant vid, Tom. I got the Scarp 1 Ultra, with carbon fibre poles, shortly after it came out, and I have a love/hate relationship with it (mostly the former). I've had it in some horrible conditions, and it has shrugged them off like they were nothing (certainly better than any other tent I have would've done).
Pros:
- super lightweight
- extremely stable
- roomy (I've managed to squeeze my daughter in when we had a problem with her tent up on the fells)
- it looks cool
- vents pretty well, considering the sailcloth is not at all breathable
- I think it's pretty good value for such a high spec tent
Cons:
- Sailcloth Ultra doesn't like sharps. I've had to repair a slice caused by the wind blowing the fly against the pot holder arm on my (cold) stove. On the same night the centre pole at the foot end came out of its socket and ended up puncturing the fly.
- the floor of the inner is thin, and not so waterproof. I forced water through it with the weight of me on my mat. I have a cheap Tyvek footprint that does the trick, but it's a pain to peg out properly, then pitch the tent onto, if there's even a modicum of wind.
- some of the functional parts feel like they were made to be just good enough, like 'that'll do' kinda thing. I'm talking of the pole sockets, the door magnets, the main pole arch sleeve being fiddly to feed the pole through if any part of the tent is pegged out.
A lot of Terra Nova's tents have that same sort of not-quite-finished feel, too.
On balance, though, the Pros far outweigh the Cons.
Incidentally, if I were buying it again I'd probably get the ally main pole, as that does the heavy lifting of the structure, and keep the carbon crossing poles, so it would be a minimal weight increase.
Btw I love the deeper, more thoughtful analysis that you do on the products you review.
Cheers again 😊
Hey thank you for the detailed comment sharing your experience.. I haven't used this one extensively maybe 8 camps.. I think the tent was a little rushed out for production as like you say the arch pole holders are minimal and represent a challenge in windy conditions.. The pole sleeve is tight but has loosened up.. As far as I know they have fixed the magnet and the pole end holders on the Silnylon tent are bigger.. Thank you for listing out the pro s and cons.. best wishes Tom
@@deaneager Thanks for a detailed review of your experience with the scarp ultra. IMO I wouldn’t use carbon for the main arch pole as the material tends to shatter or break which can damage any fly. I use the carbon crossing poles but happy with the aluminium arch pole. Time will tell on this fabric but I’ve loved using something different as an alternative to sylpoly/sylnylon shelters and is a bit cheaper than DCF. Atb
Still cant believe I am watching you spout tarptent love!
Well you have had nearly a year to get used to it...Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Time is not healing Tom, Petra is booking me in for 'therapy'.
Hi Tom. Firstly it’s great to see you so happy with your scarps; these tents aren’t cheap and you need to really love them which I know you do. Interesting to see both these options side. Although I don’t own a TT I’ve been a real fan of their innovative designs for a long time. Having been out with you when you had the scarp both seem very rigid and strong with good internal space. The ultra fabric is really different and I hope it’s as durable as it seems. My biggest gripe as you know is the inner floor. I still don’t know why TT wouldn’t make these with a 40d floor, for me a very minimal weight penalty for a significantly more robust 4 season material. People talk about pack size, but again that’s a trade off for the strength and personally I rather deal with a larger pack size than a weaker tent when the weather gets rough. Looking fwd to really testing your scarp in the next few months; I’m sure I can still convince you that camping in 50mph will be good craic 😉. By the way that Jannu footage is still mental you lunatic 😂
Hey Gary, as always great to hear your thoughts so thank you for your time.. Yes that floor is my gripe too... The 20d also feels less premium that the 30d on the standard Scarp.... I suspect Tarp Tent do this potentially for business reasons and making differences in the two tents (but then thats why they exist after all). The ultra has actually improved pack size wise over time.. On rolling both up here there is not much difference now... Both pack quite long and thin and its only a matter of packing your pack differently... Yes more than up for getting out in big winds again... Talk soon... Tom
Great comparison mate. The Scarp 1 is a very capable tent (when pitched correctly 🙂). I've had my standard version for many years. The only downside for me is the inability to pack it away a small as I could due to the carbon uprights. I know these can be taken out but it's a bit of a faff. I enjoyed my short time with the Ultra too, found it to be noticeably more robust than the standard - the fabric hardly moved in the wind, but for me it was probably a bit too technical for what I would use it for. I hope to get many more years out of my standard Scarp 1 👍
Hi Chris, great to hear from you and I hope you are well.... Thank you for sharing your experience of the Scarps.. Its great to hear that the standard scarp is proving pretty durable... How are you getting on with your Nammatj ? best wishes Tom
Brilliant review Tom. Hard to separate tbh. Well presented video of an awesome four season shelter.
Hey William, than you for the feedback.... I cant separate them as I prefer the fly on the Ultra and the inner on the Silnylon... Happy camping and best wishes... Tom
Probably the best video on these tents I've watched. Superb and extremely un bias and informative.
Hey thank you for the feedback... it's always great to get a comment like this.... best wishes and happy camping.. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I've had a scarp1 for over 10 years now and just updated to another.... Not the ultra but I did add carbon poles. I sold my Hilliberg unna as it simply didn't even come close to my Scarp1 on all levels.
Great to hear it for good ol' silnylon - a tent fabric which has stood the test of time and still performs as well as it ever did. I'm particularly pleased you rate it so highly because the Ultra came out a year after I bought my Scarp so I can't help wondering if I'd missed a trick. Also delighted that someone with your breadth of tent experience agrees that the Scarp is all the tent you need in most conditions, at one of the best weights available. The only time I don't take mine is when I opt for my Notch - purely for the weight saving (nearly 500g) when I'm confident conditions will be reasonably mild - and I still miss the Scarp!
Regarding pack size, I find the Scarp fits vertically into a side pocket on my pack.
The 30D floor still isn't proof against my burning a neat little hole through it with a flying matchhead! All fixed with a neat little repair patch.
I use the aluminium arch pole and carbon cross poles, although I hardly ever bother with the cross poles. I use the central panel pullouts in conjunction with my hiking poles though, which adds slightly to stability and internal space.
Hey David, yes the Silnylon is a great job for sure and so many great tents are still using it with no sign of change.. it feels pretty slippy and thick on the scarp which is great... I never thought about storing in a side pocket but you need to be careful if its not protected against any abrasion if you walk past something sharp... I only mention this as about 30 years ago I put a hole in all my tent layers from a barbed wire fence when I had my tent on the outside of my pack... A brand new Terra Nova Quasar.. Wasn't the end of the world as I never liked the tent haha... great to hear of your pole combo choice and I know many use the centre pullout with a trekking pole... I prefer the weight of the crossing poles and the fact that they attach to 4 points of contact on the fly and not just one... thats my only thought... best wishes and thank you for sharing... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I agree about the possible dangers of the single mid-panel pullout, so I incorporate a loop of 3mm bungee in the hope that will prevent 'sudden loading' at that point.
@@davids9549 Hey that's a great compromise and Idea... Might have to do myself.. Tom
Another brilliant and informative video Tom. The search for the perfect tent continues! I have a Hilleberg Enan, much of which I love. However, as you say, the fact that the flysheet comes right down to the ground reduces ventilation with the result that there is always total condensation owing to the poor ventilation.
Hi, thank you for watching and taking the time to leave me a comment and share your experience of the Enan... Yes I prefer a low cut fly but not right to the ground for this very reason... Best wishes Tom
Great video Tom, having used euston cyclone carbon poles on an access 2 tent (if tarp poles are the same) there durability was poor and at the time it was an issue for many on forums. I have sections replaced under the warentee due to ends splitting, and then one snapped under 20mph wind. Your poles may be a different material, or possibly construction has changed, but it's worth keeping in mind.
Hey thank you for the comment and sharing your experience and thoughts 💭.. I have seen carbon poles split before so time will tell... These do feel well made and a number of manufacturers are using them...I will definitely handle them with care though.. best wishes Tom
Thanks for the info!
I'd go for the white tent; but the color. In snow where you want a high viz tent , it would be invisible; in the highlands where you want to blend in, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Would be nervous about having carbon fibre poles as worried about them snapping when bending in high winds.
Hi thank you for commenting and sharing your thoughts on so many of my videos... Quite a few manufactures are now using carbon poles so it will be interesting to see how they fair in the future... best wishes Tom
😊...so good at this...now considering the 2 version....havent told the misses tho 😅
I know my wife cant keep track of my gear which is just as well.... Thank you for the comment... best wishes Tom
I’m on my second Scarp 1 (both silnylon ones). I wish I had got the carbon fibre pole. While I appreciate the advantages of the Ultra fabric, I prefer the muted colour of the silnylon one. I’ve had both my old and new Scarp out in bad conditions and they’ve always felt very solid. It’s a great design. It has enough room but is still compact. As you say, two vestibules is great. Unless weight is crucial, it’s still the best one person tent on the market IMO.
Hey thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with the Scarps..Yeah both the Silnylon and Ultra are great options.. I still can't decide which I would sell if I had to..When you look at functional features then hard to beat IMO... best wishes Tom
Another useful review thanks Tom! Well, can’t be many people who buy two of the same - you’d better watch out lest people start calling you a tenthead 😂. Very surprised to hear you like the silnylon original as much as the Ultra. I had expected the Ultra’s lack of wind flap to trump all other considerations.
Hi Peter, Sure Hilleberg and many others only use silnylon and they are awesome tents.. I know in ten years is will still be going strong... I dont know about the durability of the Ultra and there is so much bonding involved which is a potential for failure.. I like it but there is still not much evidence around really demonstrating how strong it is.... Tarp tent avoid giving tear strength figures or stats.... Thank you for watching and take the time to leave me a thoughtful comment... How are you getting on with the Nammatj ? best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I’ve stopped using it for summer. I’m back to my Unna with mesh inner. I’m going to sell the Soulo and then either keep the Nammatj or sell it and buy a Tarra 😳. Attraction of Tarra is headroom suited to me, dual vestibule, and wide opening doors with views. I like to see outside and the Soulo and Nammatj have restricted views (as seemingly do most other tents). Rival for Tarra would be Kaitum 3 with similar headroom and door height but more footprint (a negative) but half a kg lighter (if fitted with BL poles and pegs). Tarra is a narrower width that’s fit our sitting room for drying and is self supporting which is quite an advantage IMO - conceivably could be pitched onto smaller sites in good weather with one or both vestibules weakly secured. My concern is I may not like it (too heavy) and will be difficult to sell on so haven’t finally decided against the Nammatj which has many excellent qualities.
I prefer the SilNylon as it will blend into the background more than the Ultra!
Yes that's definitely a consideration that I missed.. Thank you for sharing.. best wishes Tom
Thanks Tom that’s helpful. I have a terra nova tent that’s the same. My x mid is so easy to un clip I think I’ve got a bit lazy😂
No worries Stewart.... Maybe it's because I am older and have lost some dexterity...... best wishes Tom
I was interested in the scarp 1 until I saw videos on the fabric ripping in (very) strong winds. I usually hike above the polar circle where there are no marked trails, no cabins, and multiple days of hiking to reach safety. If my tent rips out there I could be in a pretty bad situation. I'll take the extra weight and stick with my Hilleberg's for now. If there ever is a scarp 1 released with stronger fabric and some minor changes to one of the (seemingly weakest) guy line attachment point I'd be super interested though.
I have seen a TV doc where two Hillebergs both had torn fabric in Alaska... This can happen to any tent as they are all lightweight portable structures.. I too have seen this video you are talking about as far as I am aware. It is hard to know what the exact circumstance were juts like the video that I saw... This is a new version (Ultra)of the scarp here with brand new fabric... But I understand 100 percent if you still want to trust Hilleberg.. I did for many years... best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I don't know how popular the Scarp 1 is and how many tents have been used compared to all the Hilleberg's but I've seen multiple videos where the fabric has ripped on the Scarp 1. I don't know whether the tents were silnylon or the new ultra though. I'd love to test something else than Hilleberg, especially considering how expensive their tents are (at least where I live). But I've used them for many years and I trust the brand. I have the Akto and Nammatj 2 atm and I've never had any issues with any of them. But I usually hike alone and I find the Akto a little too low to be sitting in and I'd really like to have something more confident when the going gets though. The Nammatj is a beast but bigger than I need really, pretty heavy and overkill for most situations. I'm leaning towards Unna with 10mm poles. But I don't know, maybe I'm just blinded by my trust in the brand. Maybe I should broaden my perspective a little.
Nice vid Tom, but there's no way it's more stable than the Soulo BL or other Hilleberg tents. The poles alone are 3mm thicker on the Hille. I've never had any issues with my Fjällräven or Hilleberg tents. My MSRs have failed, Zpacks, the condensation is terrible. :) Plus there are so many poles for this tent. :(
Tarptent makes great tents though..
Hi I did not say it was.. I made a comparison tent structure wise but not for ultimate performance.. I have owned both but not tested the Scarps in as high winds as I have my Soulos.... These tents have 3 poles the same as the Soulo.... BUT the rods at the end are extra. These however add much strength and functional space and just make the tent pack long and thin and not as compressible... best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks.... love to see how they compare in weather...
Thanks Tom 😄
Hey, you are welcome.. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment... best wishes Tom
Just returned from 12 day mountaineering expedition in Caucasian mountains and had some issues with my scarp 1 ultra. Center rod that holds fabric off from face is came off, it is stitched to the fly on the one end and suspect that stitching was not strong enough. I have carbon arch pole and it is broke where pole sections connects to each other, repaired it with tube and some tape. And the worst part is that flysheet teared along the arch pole seams at vestibule area. Disappointed as too many failures for a 4 season expensive tent in one trip.
Wow that’s very disappointing and sorry that happened to your tent. I’m interested in the soon to be released arc dome but use of the ultra fabric is so new that I would have concerns over construction durability…this hasn’t helped ease them!
Hi, I am also really sorry to hear this as I have encountered none of these issues... Thats a really big number of failures.... What has been the response from Tarp tent? best wishes on getting a positive outcome from this... Tom
Hello from Norway Tom, another great video. Thanks for all your work. Just a quick question, these compared to the Akto? Keep the weight and price out, witch one? Cheers
Scarp 100 percent.. More comfortable in high winds, more space, better ventilation, more versatile with carbon or aluminium poles and fabric choices, and two vestibules that are retractable.... I hope that helps. Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks Tom, that helps alot. Then I go for the Scarp. Once more, thanks for the great videos.
Hi Tom, as I know you are (or was) a big akto enjoyer. How does the Scarp compare to the Akto in your opinion?
I much prefer the Scarp.. It's stronger, lighter, better ventilation, more space and more versatile with two vestibules and pole options.. Build quality is good enough too.. Best wishes Tom
I have the Scarp 1 silnylon version and think its great. You are right about the pack size and it is a (not insurmountable) pain packing it when all my other tents sit nicely in the top of my pack. I have used it on top of Rubers Law in Scotland in winter (with snow) and it was fine. One question... im looking to get some carbon poles and wasnt sure of the length required? (mine has no poles). Do you know the length of them? Cheers
Hi David, awesome to hear that you have a Scarp..... thank you for sharing... The Arch pole is 305mm and the crossing poles are 366mm... I hope that helps. best wishes and enjoy the benefits of the poles... Tom
Great comparison Tom - I have both and love them both for the space, practicality and strength of them
I would be interested in what you think about the crossing poles? Henry Shires says they are for snow loading not wind strength but I feel more safe with them in in windy conditions - what do you think?
People keep saying this but thats not what it says on the website regarding the crossing poles.... On the website it states snow and high winds... They definitely add support in high winds and maintain separation too... best wishes Tom
Top notch Tom again. I prefer the look of the silnylon but I get the advantage of the other with not absorbing water. I think with that internal space it has to beat the Akto, doesn't it or would you still put the materials of the tried and tested Akto over the Tarp 1?
Hi, I sold my Akto and have no regrets.. I much prefer the Scarp.. Lighter, more space, more comfortable in high winds, Fabric on Fly is just as good.. The Inner and the floor are fine.. Two vestibules, better ventilation and crossing pole options.. It's a much more thoughtful design as the Akto hasn't changed or been developed.. The Akto is a nice little tent and great quality but it just has functional issues which I myself overlooked just because it was a Hilleberg.. best wishes and always appreciate you views and comments. Tom
Great video, I’ve just subscribed. I like to do multi day hikes and normal go for a trekking pole tent but this could very well be an option for longer trails in Scotland, particularly thinking cape wrath where weather can be so variable. One question, how easy is it to separate the inner and outer? I like to do this to keep inner as dry as possible on hikes. Cheers
Hey Stewart great to hear that you have subbed to the channel thank you very much.... The inner and outer are a little fiddly to separate IMO.. Its not a deal breaker but it takes a bit of time just to un do all the attachment points... best wishes Tom
Hi Tom, do you still have a place in your pack (and your heart) for the Soulo? I love my Scarp 1 SilNylon which replaced my old friend the TN Voyager, but I have had several nervous nights when the wind has revved up unexpectedly when camping higher up. It has held but I’ve not slept soundly as I’ve fretted waiting for disaster with the windward side of the tent getting an ‘uncomfortable’ workout… So I’ve been thinking for a while about investing in a Soulo for peace of mind (and sleep!) on those sort of trips planned for camping higher up in autumn and late winter, partly based on your comprehensive Soulo videos, keeping my Scarp 1/Durston x mid for lower/multi-day camps. I’d be interested in your thoughts on this as much of what you say in your videos chimes with my own philosophy for ‘pragmatic lightweight comfort’ developed over my own 25 years of wild camping in the mountains, 90% of which is in the Cairngorms and NW Highlands. BTW thanks for the effort and thoughtfulness of your videos on here, all of which are excellent
Hi, if you are camping regularly in exposed winter conditions then I would still pick a BL Soulo.. it's weather resistance and durability are unmatched IMO.. Just insanely heavy and small.. Also you could consider a Jannu or Nammatj 2 at a similar weight.. Stick an extra pole on the windward side of the Nammatj.. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 Thanks Tom, the Nammatj does appeal for the disproportionate space gain for not that much more weight. More thinking to do!
Hi Tom
Great review.
Thinking about the Scarp1 fir Scottish winter hills.
Currently have a Terra Nova Voyager and Durston Xmid 2p.
The issue i have with the durston is when wet either through rain or condensation you get wet when opening the doors.
Is this an issue with the Scarp, when opening from the inside do you get wet
No issues with the Scarp so far, as the fly zip doesn't come right up to the inside.. Hope that helps.. Best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 cheers Tom, just ordered one, it will be my tent for the Scottish winter hills
@@alfiethedog931 Hey that's great to hear.. I hope you are delighted with it and it comes quickly in the post. Best wishes Tom
Noticed your main gripe between the two is the floor on the ultra fly version. Can you just swap out the inners to get best of both worlds?
I wonder if tarptent would allow an order on that basis if you enquired direct.
Yes you are absolutely right.... I could change them but I think I will just hammer the Ultra inner and if it fails then repair or order the 30d floor one from the silnylon.... If I was ordering one I would definitely contact Tarp Tent regarding this.... best wishes and thank you for your thoughts.... Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 just checked the website and it literally says a 3g difference (340g for ultra TNT Vs 343g for silnylon) between the two solid inners! Seems like a massive 'why bother' to have two different manufactured inners for no real weight difference!
@@jonarific8504 Hi I couldn't agree more.. Maybe it reduces the extra pack size of the Ultra Fabric..
Hi Tom, If you had to recommend a 2 person tent within the same parameters of the Scarp's what would you pick? The Scarp 1's look like a really good tent!
Hi Jordan, the only other tents I would generally recommend would be a Hilleberg Akto or Soulo.. Its actually a very broad question as different tents will excel at different things...I will be doing a tent award video very soon so this will cover other tents... best wishes Tom
Tarptent do a scarp 2, but only silnylon. Check the website to see if it is 2 + some space for gear (like the 1 is 1+) or just for 2 people.
@@jonarific8504 Thanks for letting me know! Do you know if it can handle the wind as well as the Scarp 1?
Big question, akto, scarp or ultra as a all year round tent? Bar snow loading
Akto in 3rd, 2nd scarp, 1st Ultra just about... hard to choose between the Scarps.. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 cheers, will you be going back over previous reviews and grading tent like your hillebergs? i see you have the arc? its very unna like, was hovering over the buy now for the arc, but got the scarp ultra fly instead.
been a gear freak for over 35 years, I just don't get why people like this design of tent - they're terrible IMO
Thanks for your opinion... So what do you recommend that has similar strength, weight, space, ventilation, pole options, and two vestibules... Or maybe these features don't matter to you .. best wishes Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 I realise that the strength to weight ratio is good, I just think the design is poor (poles sticking out all over the place, the small strut poles I've never liked in any tent, small vestibules, guy lines everywhere, 1.8 kg with the extra poles, nylon fly ! I'd have a poly fly any day).
I'd either go with something a little heavier and tougher for bad weather, and something lighter and bigger in better weather - is all.
anyway, I enjoy your informative reviews.
@@haydenwalton2766 Hey fair enough with your response thank you.. best wishes and happy camping.. Tom
Awesome! Looking forward to more comparisons of these! Maybe another “I camped with two tents” vid like with the Durston X-mid and Hilleberg Akto? Cheers!
You know I might just do that as 3kg isn't a killer to carry in tents.... thank you for the suggestion... Tom
Love my Scarp 1, also picked up an Ultra for cheap that I’ve used twice before.
Hey that's great to hear that you have bought.. Great if you have different poles too to change around. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Best wishes Tom
Being using the green one for over a year, love it even in the summer. My naturehike cloud up2 hasn’t had an outing since I got the tarptent.
Hi Richard, thank you for sharing your tent experience and thoughts... great to hear.... best wishes Tom
Thanks a lot for the great review and comparison, Tom! As always, very well-made and insightful. May I ask you two questions:
1. What is your impression of the attachment points that connect the pole straps to the fly? To me, they represent potential weak spots that would make me feel a bit uncomfortable in higher winds or snow loads. Have you defined a windspeed limit for yourself for this tent?
2. Compared to your Samaya Assaut2 8K: How does it compare regarding (a) strength and (b) livability/comfort?
Best!
Hey thank you for the comment... I have no concerns about any of the construction at any points. There are 5 pole strap attachment points on each side so this spreads the load which is important.. I know many dont use the crossing poles and just use a trekking pole to guy out one point... I wouldn't do this in high winds as it puts all the pressure on one area. Windspeed limit I haven't tested and tents have surprised me in the past so it's hard to say. I would estimate 50mph no worries and not really prepared to test above this anymore as its really hard on the tents that are worth so much money and only gets a handful of more views on RUclips.. Compared to the Samaya its probably as strong end on but stronger side on due to the arch pole... Liveability the Scarp would win due to the rods at the ends giving better vertical functional space. The twin vestibules help too but there is not much in it.. The Samaya potentially has one very functional massive end vestibule and excellent room for one... Tom
Thanks a lot for your comprehensive reply and in-depth appraisal,@@TOMHEANEY100! Very much appreciated!!
Very interesting stuff.. Thank you yet again.
Hey, Arran thank you very much for the comment and feedback... best wishes Tom
I think the Hogback looks like a great option. Yes it's 1900g with the alu pole, but it's also Sil-Poly (Tarptent's only Scarp-style tent in that fabric), and it has a lower solid part of the semi-solid inner, which allows even more ventilation than the Scarp 1 and 2, but still offers some protection. Also with a 218 x 218cm interior, there is loads of space for two or three people on wide pads, plus gear. Only downside is the vestibules are small, and like every other new tent these days it has magnetic door ties, instead of toggles, unfortunately. Obviously overkill for one person, but for someone who can only afford one tent and wants to use it with a partner, family, or friends, as well as on their own, I think it looks perfect.
Hi Chris thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience.. The hog back is a strange looking tent but pretty functional for sure.... The interior space and weight are pretty good.. Unfortunately it doesn't seem very popular IMO.. best wishes Tom
If possible could you weigh these tents exactly as you have them set up please (pegs, footprints etc).
Also just the weight of the arch and crossover poles in carbon and aluminium . So we can work out the total weight for different configurations.
I am sorry to be honest all of this I do on my spare time which takes hours to film, edit and answer comments.. RUclips pays me £4.00 per 1000 views so there is only so much I am prepared to do for free... So far I have spend about 8 hours on this for about £8... Thats a pound an hour.... sorry....and close to binning RUclips so many times... There is decent information on the Tarp Tent website.. best wishes Tom
Excellent review. Covers everything 💯. Ive just ourchased a 4 season tent called a Mont supercell. Australian company. Tunnel tent. Im 62 and have a chronic illness but used to be one of those “mad hikers” lol. We used to go ultra light. Sadly in the middle of summer at Mt Kosciusko we got smashed by a storm wind rain then snow. Massive gear failure including tent. We basically had to use the emergency hut to regroup. So, for me, even tho i cant do the extreme hikes (dreadful osteoporosis), i bought a 4 season for that “peace of mind”
As for glues etc- i have a pair of Scarpa boots i bought in 1982. Walked the world and apart from beeding resoleling they are perfect. Upgraded to new one a few years back and they have done little work. Well, mid hike, in snake infested country, the soles fell off and i had to hike back out bare foot. The terrain was swampy and rocky. My daughter had the same issue with hers. Apparently re glues if the company mentions “environmentally friendly manufacturing” you can be assured any bonding method will ultimately fail. I lost faith in local suppliers and sort advice from the Keswick Boot Co- brilliant!! I now have a pair of zamberlains! Purchased without fitment and tbey got my size exactly right via photos. Soooo if youre up in Keswick seek them out 😊 in the meantime im hiking (with a hip replacement) and sleeping with security in my 4 season tent! Thanks for reading this Tom
Ps sorry for typos- beeding- needing
Hey Simon, I really appreciate you sharing your experience.... especially on the bonding thats really interesting.... Yes sleeping pads from all brands dont tend to last well.... I personally would be a little wary of the ultra here long term as there is loads of sticking, patches and bonding.... BUT I really like it and worth the risk for me... I have looked at Mont tents a few times and they look really good... I will now have a look at the supercell... best wishes Tom
Can you get these tents with a full mesh inner for summer?
Yes Andrew have you not checked the website? best wishes Tom
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My apologies for this question abruptly without checking there website .
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