The Downfall of Starship Troopers
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers was misunderstood upon its release by many, and still often is disregarded as war propaganda to this day. But behind the Fednet news network was a cutting and humorous satire, one which was never replicated in its sequels. Johnny Rico might have returned, and the franchise might have even delved into cutting edge 3d animation, but the same problems have always remained. It's hard to do a sequel to a movie that isn't supposed to revel in its action and gore. It may have been inspired by aliens, and inspired halo, but Starship Troopers is ultimately a critique not a romp! The sequels aren't romps, but not by design...
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Starship Troopers - Masterful Satire
4:03 - ST 2: Hero of the Federation
7:37 - ST 3: Marauder
14:00 - ST: Invasion
16:48 - ST: Traitor of Mars
20:23 - You can't sequelise Starship Troopers...
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Dude i was the perfect age to both watch this and then be 18 after 9/11. The entire country became Starship Troopers. It was insane. Im not sure the US has ever shook it off.
“Became”
That’s fascinating! I’d love to know more honestly
@@FullFatVideos Overnight everyone was in lock step or they were anti American. The footage from that day played on repeat for a month straight. The next week they opened a recruitment booth in my High school courtyard. Hate crimes were constantly being committed against anyone who looked even vaguely Arab. Nationalism and blind rage, jokes about bombing the middle east into glass, and so many guys I knew couldn’t wait to ship out to Iraq and “Get some!” American flags were everywhere, shirts, hats, car windows, license plates. It wasn’t like that before 9/11. And its never really gone back to normal. Just relaxed a bit.
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I think the people of Vietnam would say the US has been starship troopers ever since the end of ww2
"The only good bug is a dead bug." Is a direct quote from propaganda of the war machine just replacing bug with whatever enemy America was fighting at the time. I was also too young to realize the implications when I was younger.
The biggest reason why the sequels are so different is because they tried to incorporate elements from the book while Verhoeven made the first one as a satire on what he heard the book was about. The Mobile Infantry in the book wearing power armour and having an insane array of weaponry instead of being the lightly armed cannon fodder of the movie is the easiest element to observe. The book created the genre of space marines in power armour and inspired Halo. It was amusing that you pointed out that the armour of the sequels looked like it was inspired by Halo.
The first movie isn't a satire lmao, you can't make a satire of something you didn't read
Except it was,sure he didn't read the of novel but it didn't matter anyways cause he already had script in mind before he read the book...he just incorporated materials from book later on the scripts when producers mentioned having the IP available and told him make it about it...
@@tonuahmed4227 it wasn't him that later incorporated material from the book it was Edward Neumeier who actually liked the book and didn't call it fascistic and militaristic without even reading the entire book unlike a certain verhoven
I've seen all the Starship Troopers film. I enjoy the first one and the two animated ones.
The Roughneck Chronicles was awesome.
@@anubusx Yeah, the first film, the cgi films, and the series were the best and really complement the Starship Troopers franchise. I kinda wished that first film did good so it can get a great sequel, maybe on par with Robocop 2. Also wished the series had a proper conclusion instead of ending on a damn cliffhanger.
You shouldve talked about the animated show truly a gem.
Rough necks
Yeah the animated show was sooooo good
@@halkeye20 yeah buddy
The only good bug is a dead bug!
...Would you like to know more?
Those grey helmets and suits they had were reused un an episode of Power Rangers. My 5 year old self found this film flicking through TV channels and started watching thinking it was a power rangers episode i missed. Was scared when the slaughter started but really enjoyed the film by the end
I'm an idiot and I saw it for what it is: satire. It's still so weird to me that people didn't realize that. It's not like it was remotely subtle about it.
Good action seems to be blinding
@@FullFatVideos True. I didn't think of it in those terms but you're right.
Reading the book will put the movie in a different perspective. Great book.
It’s very bad satire. They ended up creating a story that supports the supposed satire. The humans were attacked first and are fighting for survival. It’s like an alternate universe where the US was attacked by Vietnam which started the war rather than the reality where the US attacked itself to set off the war
"It's not the fascist flags, we have them colored differently"
From a pure action perspective, I still desperately want a faithful adaptation. The opening scene when they drop from orbit in individual shells, designed to break apart and act as ordinance themselves. The troopers "on the bounce" laying waste to everything a kilometer around them. Utter insanity.
Randomly, theres a kids video out there where the host is talking about this horse and she goes "its a beautiful horse!" And the intonation always reminds me of the reporter screaming "its a terrible planet! Its a bug planet!"
Lol link pleaseee
They should try making a faithful adaptation of the book. The book is about a militaristic, limited democracy (not exactly a “fascist utopia”) with lots of ideas posited for why their society has been so successful (ex. military service means voters are those who have demonstrated they’re willing to prioritize the group over themselves). It also points out all democracies are limited in some ways, such as age restrictions or sometimes restrictions for convicted felons. The novel isn’t black-and-white, you can engage with the ideas it explores as a thought experiment without having to wholeheartedly agree with it like it’s an earnest advocacy of that government.
Lmfao
Honestly I’d love to see it but the movie look is so iconic. Maybe a compromise between the two. However animating power armor might obliterate the films budget, especially if it’s live action.
The politics would be dated, the novel is a clear Cold War analogy complete with neutral nations between the rival powers.
There were Mormon Pilgrims who tried to find their own planet before being killed.
You should do a run through of the universal soldier franchise......it's wild
I’ve heard the Scott Adkins one is quite good!!!
7:30 I mean, it didn't help that the bugs were never made to be sympathetic without superimposing the author's intent over the film they actually produced. All credit belongs to Heinlein's ghost I guess.
A full reboot of the original with updated satire aimed at criticizing the US and the Iraq war would be a masterpiece.
I seem to recall there was an animated series as well. They say that there was a tabletop war game based on the original novel. And the show was based on that. They had the skinnies, at least.
There was a Japanese anime series that was more faithful to the book.
I love starship trooper, that movie was amazing. Watch it as a kid and no I had no clue it was as satire
Honestly I like starship troopers and I’m fine with it being sequelized. Just wish the makers would do there part (get it) and make actually solid films. The politics is also pretty interesting and differentiates it from generic sci fi bug hunt franchise. Fanbase is amazing too and we got 2 new games that came out this year and last year.
Really loved the book, it was really thought provoking to the point where I couldn't even tell what the author' real political views are purely from it alone, whether he was being heavy handed to discourage it or espoused it or somewhere in between. If most people couldn't tell the first movie was satire from how far it went in it, the book would be 10x harder. Cos while the book is heavy handed it does actually create an interesting discussion for it's justifications. Like playing 4D chess where you couldn't tell whether the author believes in or doesnt (and I've seen different interpretations). Its the type that book that presents you with something and makes you think deeply about a topic regardless of what answer you come about with, whether you "agree" with the main character or not. It's a classic for a good reason. I have a strange feeling translating it to the screen will make it lose some of that ambiguity which seems to have happened with those sequels.
And that's just the philosophy and politics, it's also a well written sci-fi book that more of less invented power armor and very good world building for a type of society that's happened in story.
the bugs are the aggressors tho
I started watching an anime called Terra Formars yesterday. But realizing that it was an unironic (more overt) version of Starship Troopers. Nothing wrong with enjoying that I guess? But things started piling up.
Great video, great movie (the first one, not the rest). Also the only movie that I know of that was censored only through dubbing. The publishers were wary of the tone of the movie when it came to releasing it in Germany, so they actually removed a lot of the fascism in the movie. In the german dub, the bugs actually DO attack first, which we learn when Raszec tells Carmen about the first bug war and how the bugs attacked and destroyed Washington DC, wiped it out. This replaces the hiroshima and sheer force dialog in the original. They also changed it so in the dub, everyone can vote and become a politician, not just those who served. "Service guarantees citizenship" is changed to "Fight for our future", among countless other smaller changes like "welcome to the adventure of the federal service" simply becoming "welcome to the federal service".
I get that shouldn’t milk SST so much, but maybe they should do a conclusion film that ends the war.
It was done in the style of the Pathe war reels you used to see in British cinemas during wartime. Only Americans would think otherwise bless em.
Is it sunny inside your house mate ?
It’s always a summer party when I’m recording
When you misunderstand the assignment so much and end up accidentally making an unironically based movie
About as based as boofed horsepaste.
That so many apparently can't recognise satire is nothing short of horrifying.
And it's getting worse, not better.
Because conservatives and generally the right wing is bad at media analysis, Matrix, Fight club and basically any antiwar movie are another examples and definitely much more.
I believe gaining some familiarity with the source material would do your analysis of the first movie (as well as the franchise as a whole) a lot of good.
You don’t need to read the book to understand the point of the movie, evident by the fact Verhoeven didn’t finish it
@@FullFatVideos Maybe not with some films, but it’s really helpful with understanding the impact of the first film, and why it was misunderstood.
@@AlexanderDiviFilius Completely agree with this.
Looking at the Federation from the books was more of a kind of liberal utopia taken to the extreme, at least from what I’ve garnered from the book. Unless I’ve misinterpreted something
@@kodeshikou464 A lot of the dialogue is taken verbatim from the book as well. The Nazi parallels are skin deep, unless you believe that a positive focus on the military is inherently fascistic, which would be dumb and lacking in nuance.
Do you know when your Andor video will be? (Sorry, I couldn't help myself)
I dunno the last Star Wars video was such a bomb
@@FullFatVideos Yeah, I really don't know why, it just might have been a little late to the party, but it's got better reachability than a lot of your videos. On the other hand, I think Andor has enough buzz to be more popular, while Jedi Survivor is a more expensive video game that got complaints of a bad launch. I personally don't know as much about RUclips, but I think that might be a bit more popular. Also, I don't know if you've seen the show yet, but if you haven't, you could record your impressions immediately after some key crucial episodes. Just in case you want to take my weird advice, the key crucial episodes are 3, 6, 10, and of course 12. Whatever you decide to do, good luck! And I WILL watch it
I like all five films but none of them live up to the first film
The first film is in its own league
There's a Starship Troopers game in early access right now. It's actually fun. It's also not lost on the community that the first movie was satirical.
Man i loved the first starship troopers. But when i got older and re-watched it i realized Carman lil sexy ass did my boy Rico dirty! 😂.
Hahahaah she screwed him over bad. Always loved watching Zander get his brains sucked out at the end, and not how he was planning it!!! 😂😂😂
The characters aren't meant to be likeable. Carmen's an opportunist, Carl is a mid century German officer and Rico becomes a drone in a militaristic society.
@Lonovavir Carl's uniform looked like a German officers uniform, but Carl was a general. Carman and Zander were both officers. That's why Rico had to salute carman when he saw her. Every pilot in the military is an officer.
Hi bro I love the channel and I hope the views go up ❤
Hey, thanks! I hope so too 😂
Sadly I don't think THIS vid will do well, but holding out hope for y bro ❤
At least we got an awesome cartoon. Check out Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles.
The upcoming game looks good too
Any thoughts of the starship trooper game?
dont play pc otherwise i would have defo given it a go! c
2:05 And yet neither the book had that nor did the film successfully show it beyond "Hugo Boss did SS drip" and "we dissected their slave race once".
10:23 That's right. It's almost like neither Heinlein's society nor fascism are traditionally religious.
0:45 Better reason is the satire part was VERY poorly executed.
This film is peak 😂
the first one is!!!
don't have time to watch the full video just yet, but I had the pleasure of working for Paul Verhoeven and his producing partner for a couple years back when HOLLOW MAN came out, he's a fabulous guy and yeah it always just blew his mind how much a lot of people misunderstood this movie. then again there's also a whole generation of young dudes today who will unironically try to laugh at you if you point out the likes of Robocop was "political". media literacy is in shambles
That’s so awesome! What was your role? And yes Robocop flying over peoples heads like this one is genuinely insane
@@FullFatVideos thanks Matt! I took over the post-production PA job for the last couple of months before HOLLOW MAN's theatrical release (and w/o knowing anybody there, got it purely on the basis of my resume & the interview, tho it didn't hurt the main assistant interviewing me was also from my hometown of Philly lol) After the release window died down, they liked me and decided to shift me to the basic office PA gig as Paul still had a couple years left on his overall deal at Sony. But we literally had to move our set up around the lot like a half dozen times in that span. It was a very small operation, only 6 people, that's including Paul and his British producing partner Alan Marshall, who'd handled all of Paul's American films. They were by far the best bosses I ever had (and nothing really "problematic" to look back on, as is so common anymore). We tried developing several other projects for Paul to possibly do next, including meeting with loads of actors and him even doing a couple general european location scoutings, but nothing coalesced and Sony declined to renew the overhead deal. But VERY much to Paul and Alan's credit, when that happened, they put up their own money for us to go and squeeze out like 3 more months in another independent office to find other options for a movie. Unfortunately that still didn't work out, and our little company dissolved late in summer 2002. HM wound up being the last film that Alan ever produced. And in fact the guy that was Alan's assistant and who interviewed me, I learned a few years ago just by seeing his name in the credits that he's wound up being one of the most regular working editors, things like Silicon Valley and even Marvel. It's just funny in that he never gave me any indication at the time he was interested in editing at all lol (and ironically now pretty much it's the only thing I care about anymore, I even just got paid for editing a video freelance for the first time in my life)
sorry, this was WAY longer of an answer than you were expecting lol If you read the whole thing, you deserve all of the cookies
Duuuuude, I love this movie and I did appreciate the satire of it all. Bit wow, that's a damn good break down of the OG and how ahead of its time it was/is.
Stuff the rest, they aren't real
EXCELLENT JOB BRO
22:35 Uh... You do realize Heinlein's book helped inspire James Cameron, yeah?
13:19 100% agree the second one was better and somehow less cringe.
i have no strong opinions. i shrimply do a lil algorithm boost
Much appreciated it is
Whats that music behind? Its really beautiful
People not noticing satire in movies or satire movies is the funniest thing
People will get offended by it and its hilarious
I like the book.
Verhoven's is the one that is messed up, he made it without even reading the source material.
Based
19:15 Almost like the anime director actually read the book.
Its so funny to me how the first movie, who doesnt really follow the books all that much and actively satyrizes and takes the piss out of them is so beloved, while the sequels who in general stick far closer to plot of the books are regarded as utter dog shit.
I j ust pretend anything after the original doesnt exist
I love film on see on netflix
Interesting vid mate. Vehoven certainly turned the right wing veneer up to 11 in his take of the book. Most authoritarian regimes suppress religion or ban it. It is competition, simple as that. Some facist regimes have worked with the church, where the Catholic church was itself ultra conservative, like Spain. Communism is inherently athiest.
Homie this is why I said your content is getting mid the other day, plus where the fuck has the podcast been?
You don’t hold back do ya? The podcast is coming back this month actually!!!
@@FullFatVideos BRO I LOVE THE POD!!!! IS IT COMING BACK TO SPOTIFY OR JUST RUclips?
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Get dat pod; geddit, bruh.
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Starship troopers is neither propaganda or satire, its just incredibly based. the government portrayed in the movie resembles mid-century germany in aesthetics alone, it has the paraphernalia of a pink floyd concert but none of the substance.
It is based but that’s because it is satire I’m sorry
I watched it the other day
Right on
The original was the only good one!
I agree!
The only good film is the first film!
analyzing the animated stuff as sequels to the live action films feels like a false premise. it doesn't seem like they were going for that at all, just adapting and expanding the story of the original novel without paying any attention to the unexamined fascist undertones.
The fact they still thinking it was a legit satire of anything.....
You don’t think it was a satire?
@@FullFatVideos No, Did I have to explain that to a film critic channel?
lmao Aless' ruble-lust is way over 9k...
Uuhhhh, you mean the second Iraq war?
>downfall
What do you mean? It's amazing
Did you watch the video?
aramaki movie was truth to the book than the first movie.
If they do remake this movie. Maybe they could actually follow the book instead of using a script that was only about bug hunting.
It was much more than just bug hunting
It wasn't a fascist utopia. It was a right wing utopia, and it was awesome. Everyone was allowed to be free and make money and enjoy the fruits of capitalism, you see this in Jonny Rico's parents, who were not citizens. The only people who can vote are those who join the military, or do some service for their country. Heroes, real ones, are honored for their self sacrifice and their actions to protect their society. Everything runs well and is clean and everyone is equal. You see this in the shower scene. All races and both genders are seen as equal as citizens. Justice is done quickly and in public which deters crime and shows the people that there are consequences for bad behavior and that law and order will be kept so that people can flourish safely. You see this in the scene where they televise the execution of a murderer. They try to make this all seem like it's Nazi propaganda but they forget that the Nazis were socialist and the allies of the actual Fascist in Italy. I don't understand how leftists always get this wrong. Fascism is when the government controls business. This is not how it is in starship troopers. Starship troopers is a beautiful vision of how things could be if the people who took responsibility for the protection of their society were the ones in charge, not politicians or business men.
Okay Sargon.
@@davidcauley9400 Thanks for the complement.
@@Maw-of-Fenrir what a surprise. A viking teenage cosplay name, an absurdly idealistic take on Far Right wing imaginary utopia, that literally never results from actual far right wing ideology, ever, and wants to get his cheeks clapped by Sargon of Dunning-Kruger. You're a cliche.
The book is an homage to mercenaries
"people who didnt realize its satire" ie people who know history and werent idiots like verhoven and the idiot director. theres so little "fascism" in starship troopers (especially the book) that it looks like the libertarian paradise it is. would you like to know more?
and dougie houser is NOT dressed like a "nazi". the german army used collar litzen long before the nazis and still uses them today. once again this was a misunderstanding of the source material (in this case the german army) by verhoven based on his false assumptions. being somewhat of a nerd concerning uniforms my 1st reaction to the movie was "hhhmmm those look like federal german republic uniforms, i wonder if this was filmed in germany?"
yes verhoven admitted hes an idiot and has no clue what hes talking about. in any case fascism is not right wing. giovani gentile (the creator of fascism) said he envisioned it because "socialism doesnt go far enough". and Mussolini defined fascism as being a left-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism.
verhoven misunderstood the source material and let enough of it through that his "fascism" doesnt look fascist at all. fascist societies suppress infor, not invite people to learn more. the leaders in fascist societies do not admit their mistakes and step down. fascist societies have conscription not voluntary service that you not only can leave if you want, but they encourage you to do so.
Verhoeven AND the director? Verhoeven IS the director
@@FullFatVideos verhoven IS an idiot who cant finish a book.
@@FullFatVideos verhoven IS an idiot who cant finish a book.
@@FullFatVideos verhoven IS dullard who cant finish a book. and you know youre "right" when you have to censor comments lol.
@@FullFatVideos verhovens is a dullard who cant finish a book.
When you're younger and you watch Starship Troopers it's campy. When you're older it's dark as hell and shows the real dark side of propaganda, governments and war.
You really need to go by the four axis political chart, liberal, conservative, authoritarian and libertarian. Starship Troopers is a funhouse version of the nazi party. Attributing our modern left/right politics to a 1930s authoritarian, racist regime needs to stop. I mean even today the majority of nations can't agree on which is right and which is left anyway.
When the satire is so great you get mad at it. Mauler or Critical Drinker or Chapo Trap House had a really great breakdown of it.
You should finish the video bro
That movie was ahead of it's time, Verhoeven is a genius criticizing Colonial Amerikkka. Verhoeven is one of the most important antifascist film directors
Most people (who aren't scraping threads for rubles) are antifash. *Shrug*
Based propaganda
I think its abit like sniffing your own farts too long when you say everyone must see this one way and the only way its meant to be seen.
And why do the new Disney movies have fanboy defenders? logically they're really bad movies that misuse characters and stories that make no sense but they're loved.
Starship troopers the movie is meant to be a satire but it does a bad job at it, because from what little we see- we don't see an alt right hellscape, we see something America could become and it wouldn't be as bad as all the FAR LEFT hellscapes we've already had on the planet, and there would certainly be room for improvement as all political movements have much room for improvement humanity is fucked and greedy afterall.
Starship troopers is a good bug stomping film and you don't need to notice the subtheme's to enjoy it, the follow up movies just don't capture the same level of fun the first film had.
In trying so hard to be goofy it became entertaining and trying to re-create it with effort just looks too try hard, but i do think another movie following similar kids growing up and coming through the system like the first film could work seeing how the world has changed and maybe push more of the bugs haven't been attacking us.. we've been pushing towards their homeworld, ignore the power armor and all the other movies and work from 10 years from the end of the first.
But having people go into the military to gain rights to vote, i dunno able bodied people should be trained its only in the west you can just opt out unless we are in a time of war- world war and when that happens we'll have a bunch of potatoes who could've had some basic training *shrug* teenage bootcamp then college to teach people they need to have their own opinions and not just follow the chain of command if they disagree with it, but still get that bootcamp into more people!
1:36 "convicted" does not mean what you think it means, here.
I expect this crap out of Americans, but you? Really? Now I'm sad. :-(
Show me the movie that your face
Huh? 🤔