Hospital killed my dad, Consultant, 2 nurses and doctor! A nurse previously tried to report them lost her job called a whistleblower! She cried to me apologising she tried to stop it! No justice for my dad or many others they did this too!
Sorry to hear that. We should be careful about apportioning blame, in general (I can't comment about your case) however tempting. The system is simply under too much strain. Investment has not kept pace with the expansion of the UK's population and the aging of the population and advancements in technology and training. Too much money is controlled by too few. A more equitous society would produce a better system. I feel sorry for medical staff on the frontline of such a degraded system.
What strikes me the most is that someone was scapegoated. A woman is in prison for crimes that were not crimes. That could happen to any nurse in a failing unit. It does look like that they set her up and destroyed her life to cover up their own failings. Shocking!
As an RGN myself (now retired) I have witnessed and was unfortunately too often the target of NHS bullying, backstabbing and disgusting misandry. I got out of the NHS around 1990 and went in to Industry as a practice nurse working on my own until I retired. I loved every day of it. I strongly suspect Lucy was thrown under the bus to cover up medical malpractice. Never let a doctor take the blame when a nurse is easily available! In one case a doctor injected a needle in to a sub capsular hepatic haematoma and presumably was surprised the poor infant died due to internal haemorrhage. Oh well lets cover it up and stitch up a nurse! A murder conviction requires evidence 'beyond reasonable doubt' and surely now there must be deep reservations about this conviction. I am so angry about this, yet another nurse getting the crap for poor medical care and incompetent doctors. I have been subject to it and it is utterly disgusting.
Your experience is undoubtedly true. What may not be true is whether it applies to this case. I hope the review process will sort out whether an injustice has been done.
I can relate, I used to work in mining and pharmaceutical industry and the amount of crap blamed on lab worker is apalling. Higher management will not accept responsibility even if caught red handed.
the presentation implied the doctors had lied.... we need a thorough investigation into everyone involved with this shitshow - and Lucy out of jail asap
I saw the entire 2 hour press presentation... it was absolutely devastating... I think 100% beyond any doubt she was not only innocent, but others were highly incompetent, a total clusterfuck... and many people complicit in putting her away should be ashamed
@@KatrinaAskey-rn9pq. Not to mention the levels of emotional & psychological strain needlessly created by misleading the families into believing their loved ones died as a result of foul play. This is one all round big dirty horrible mess.
What a terrible indictment on the NHS. She was scapegoated to cover the abysmal failings of others - higher up the food chain. How can Lucy and her family ever find the words to thank David Davies and the meticulous tirelessl work that he invested in pursuit of the truth. And the risk to his reputation if he was wrong. This one MP is a shining example that at least some politicians have integrity.
Assuming that's true, why was *she* scapegoated? It would be interesting to know if she had raised any concerns about doctors or other nurses, and if any of the people responsible for this suggested incompetence gave evidence against her.
@@BeatTheSensorYes Dr. Jayaram and Dr. Brearey were the ones to be framed in Lucy's grievance process, who had to apologize to her in a letter. They happen to be implicated in the failings in the unit with specific babies, that Lucy was convicted for murdering, as pointed out by Dr. Taylor and Dr. Shoo Lee. They both testified against Lucy in court. Jayaram was actually reprimanded by the court of appeal for his inconsistent testimony.
The trial had pre-determined outcome and aimed to protect incompetent management. Making one overworked nurse responsible for decades of malpractice is gross!
Coming hot on the heels of the Post Office scandal, our judiciary system seems to be complicit in covering up the mistakes and incompetence of those at the top, with the hollowed out middle classes going unheard. I have to say, it looks like we're becoming a top hats and cloth caps society again.
@@BeatTheSensorit's actually the same as the past.the only difference is people are speaking out more and with social media and independent journalism they can't keep these types of cover ups locked in the cupboard..
But she won't be. The British Justice system doesn't work that way. She will no doubt have to wait months for an appeal and potentially years to get to the end of the trial. Pray for her. 🙏
I have 35 years experience of being a registered nurse. I’ve now retired my PIN number. I’ve seen cover ups of crap NHS systems but this example is obviously the worst. Initially I said that I hoped that she was guilty because if she wasn’t, how awful to be so wrongly accused.
21 years experience as a Registered nurse .. Left in 2010 because of the bullying and back stabbing, it is a very toxic environment. I have witness Drs covering up their own failures and refusing to listen.
@@johnathonwright3552Perhaps, but there were also managers of CoCh that later told nurses that they couldn't testify in court or risk consequences, that sounds like witness intimidation to me.
Long story short she probably was scapegoated to cover for the terribly inadequate conditions of the clinic. Well allegedly, allegedly. Something like the Fujitsu scandal?
Yes , I think the Doctors at the clinic at that time might be suffering from anxiety and panic attacks now. Evidence is all about whats Presented and left out
The conviction is supposed to be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ which it clearly isn’t. I don’t know if she’s innocent or not but it seems like she hasn’t had a fair trial
it is beyond reasonable doubt, only public evidence is being used in the inquiry. there is a reason the Letby defense refused to bring experts in during the trial, because it would have only damned her further looking at the full picture.
@simontemplar404 they wont retrial, the courts have already said the inquiry cant change the her sentence. as in there is nothing they can find without all of the evidence that would result in a different outcome.
Yes, "beyond all reasonable doubt" is the highest level of evidential guilt required in the UK criminal justice system. I am not jumping on any bandwagons because I have said this for some time....this conviction does not meet that criteria. I'm not saying LL isn't guilty, but this warrants a retrial.
I never thought lucy letby was guilty in the first place, that poor girl has been stitched up good and proper. the english justice system is a complete joke.
I’ve always believed Lucy was just a scapegoat. I mean look at the state of our justice system. Thank goodness for all those who delved deeper to seek justice for Lucy and to bring the actual truth to all the poor families affected 🙏🏻💔
she did'nt protest her innocence because she knew it was a waste of time what good would it have done??????????everyone had already made there mind up that she was a killer..................
@@JamesBeattie-lz9cc She may well be guilty, but there certainly doesn't seem to be any *evidence* that's she's guilty. Take a look at the "evidence" used against her - it's either circumstantial or now shown to be misleading (at best).
Lots of us have been saying this all along and been called ‘baby killer sympathisers’. She never got a fair trial and numerous nhs professionals were terrible at their job and used Lucy as a scapegoat. There was raw sewage coming out of the taps! Thank God for these experts trying to get justice finally. We all empathise with the parents, they have been through the worst things anyone could go through, but I’m sure they want the right person held accountable and changes to be made in the nhs to prevent this happening to other babies.
I'm not saying that trials by juries should be scrapped...however, 12 random people with varying levels off intelligence and experience are expected to understand weeks of evidence that can be extremely in-depth. A barrister or engineer (2 careers that require intelligence) will not fully understand in-depth medical information. That is one of many issues with the justice system. As for the NHS its sadly treated like a religion and does not get the scrutiny it deserves for such bad management, waste of money and how incompetent it can be.
I think in highly technical cases, such as this one, multiple experts may be required as well as peer reviewed research being presented to the jury. In addition to that, there needs to be sufficient time for the jury to understand and process all the information to make an informed decision.
Chronic underfunding and poor clinical management by the doctors. Lucy is reported by other nurses to have been a very good nurse working with a poor medical team. We’ve now seen how poor! Free Lucy now!
About time that this poor girl is cleared of the horrific crimes she's been accused of! I've always thought she was a scapegoat for unexplained deaths. Release Lucy and compensate her for everything she's had to put up with. These false accusations have ruined her life!!! I just hope that Ms. Letby knows that there were people who believed her! This is a disgusting miscarriage of justice!!
she cant be cleared. the courts said from the beginning regardless of the inquiry results, Letbys convictions will stand. there is a reason the Letby defense refused to bring experts in during the trial, where they would have been able to view all of the evidence, not just the public evidence used in this enquiry.
I know. Went in for an operation. Wondered why all down one side of my body was deeply, heavily bruised & there was bad bruising on every limb. Next time I went past a mirror I saw that one temple was hugely bruised, one eye black-going right through to the other eye too. I asked questions, was I possibly dropped? No they all say. So what happened?
@deceptiondetective was right again. The expert witness testimony was unsafe. I go to this hospital to attend the MS clinic which I can’t fault at all. When will we learn? This is horrific. It’s time to bring back the good old matron & put patient care before money. Doctors & nurses should be in charge not hospital managers, hundreds of them. It’s not working & it’s time for major reform.
Id like to see a debate with Mr Lee and Mr Evans, I know who my money would be on. Evan’s deserves to be on a charge himself ! Well done to David Davis and the rest of the guys for sticking with it.
@@sbeast64😂😂😂😂..@plumber....tbh i just started following this 2 days ago and i thought hang on..things are not adding up, but then also thought of the notes found in her house etc. Im not saying she is guilty but it seems she's not had a fair hearing and the evidences presented against her were quite skewed in the direction of ensuring she was found guilty without seeking to balance that view with other expert evidence!
If only he still could be… always rated him as a cut above most politicians of any party… He is a complete hero… and the pre eminent experts from all over the world carried out a truly independant and meticulous investigation… which can be completely relied on… ANDthere was No Money or Ego involved!!!🙏👍….
Yet another reason why people need to slow down when this stuff happens, justice needs time and everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But in the court of public opinion this lady was immediately judged as guilty.
I agree. The media jump on these types of stories as soon as they happen, then trash suspects & from a narrative that totally sways the public into believing or thinking in the same way. Media & journalists need to stop because it's destroying people's lives.
The mainstream media need to take some responsibility as they the one that feed the public the headlines and what they report from inside the court,they condemned her
Hopefully the parents can understand that their babies were not murdered by Lucy but we’re extremely sick, along with extremely bad practice by junior doctors.
If she is innocent, I’m sure this experience will have damaged her immeasurably. In theory she could opt for a Return to Practice course and re-enter the nursing register. If it were me I would not go near a patient again!
A few years ago my friend who was a qualified medical doctor working in a maternity unit said that with the state of the NHS at that point, there was going to be an event in which babies would die and someone would be held responsible. Hopefully people will learn to accept that sometimes, unfortunately, babies are in such a poor state of health that sadly nothing can be done, and blaming the staff is not always appropriate or even a mark of justice.
What's nearly as remarkable is watching the two "Telegraph Establishment Puppets" being educated on the failings and shortcomings of the Establishment...
It was always a case of they decided she was guilty so they only looked for things that would help them prove it. They were never interested in the truth.
I've been in healthcare for over 40 years now and I've seen some horrendous things committed by doctors with no comeback at all. Covered up by their colleagues or department with the blame going to the nearest healthcare worker around if feasible. I've always felt very uneasy about her verdict.
David davies & Rupert Lowe. Proper politicians. Fighting for our rights. The rest fighting for their own benefit and survival. David and Rupert should form an all British party and bring this great country back to what it was.
@@michaelshore2300 No. She has maintained her innocence since the start. Having said that, there were conflicting messages in some post it notes they found, but they're not really reliable overall.
It will be hard, but it's possible. A similar case is Lucia de Berk who also was a nurse and convicted of multiple charges. She was later exonerated and compensated for it, and she has since given a Ted Talk about her experience.
What ever the outcome of this is, it is ludicrous how many people are saying ‘I knew she didn’t do this’ ‘I knew she was a scapegoat’ ‘I always felt something was wrong’, Oh poor girl, she was obviously set up’. On what basis? Feelings? Or the idea that a female nurse isn’t capable of such atrocities. I doubt hardly any have read the court transcripts. There may have been a miscarriage of justice, but we shouldn’t assume innocence on feelings.
If nobody ever saw LL do anything wrong and she wasnt even in the places at the times she was accused of being and there are other explanations that would put the responsibility at the feet of numerous senior employees and management. If it is another example of seriously mismanagement of a hospital, it does seem plausible that the rich and powerful though incompetent might prefer a scapegoat. Very sad for the parents whatever the truth. terrifying for LL if innocent. The truth ought to be more important than covering the arses of senior employers. And perhaps the countess of chester hospital ought to be closed down. Unfortunately we have the post office scandal involvering 700 innocent victims, multiple lives lost, several suicisides, hundreds of famlies devasted, many jailed for being innocent including a pregnant woman and yet decades of persistent lying simply to cover the arses of senior employees and management.
According to Deming the founding father of Quality Management (1986) Out of the Crisis, 95% of problems are down to the system and it is the workers who get the blame. All business consist of processes, management use a number of processes to construct their management system all processes suffer from variation which is the responsibility of the management. As a professor of management I believe that the Lucy Letby problems are down to the culture of the system. Peter Harrison DBA, PhD MSc PGCE.
I’ve always questioned Lucy’s innocence, but what I don’t understand is how she could only have been proven guilty of murder by EVIDENCE…. So how can solid evidence proving her guilty of murder suddenly change to now no evidence of murder??? There is seriously something wrong with the medical results, documents, people responsible
I did not follow the case thoroughly. I heard about it and saw her conviction on TV. Now I am starting to think that she was scapegoated to cover up the failings of the neonatal unit. I suspect that they set her up.
A mixture of stupid police and lying doctors throw in a biased judge and here is the result a young woman locked up for life ,,, Beyound evil what they have done to her not forgetting the filthy media and their demonising her
Very worrying times. This does not sound let a genuine mistake in the justice system, it seems more like a collective of individuals working together (under somebody's orders) to convict an innocent women. If this is so and she is truly innocent, we first need to get the truth for the parents (i.e. what really caused the tragic deaths and who was responsible) and then go after the collective who worked on the false conviction and establish whose orders they were following
Shame they can't do something like this with the Global Warming / Climate Change argument..., or the "weather" as the rest of us know it... Team of experts, the best people in the world, setting out the case one way or the other. It would save the whole world billions...
This looks bad . If 🎉Letby turns out to be innocent an immediate release has to come . Compensation definitely . No ideas as to how she will pick up her career though .
Lucy letby is innocent. She is not capable of killing so many babies. Not perfect I agree and I certainly don’t think she helped herself during her trial but she is innocent and the NHS have let her be jailed for all of their wrongdoing, neglect, bad management yet again instead of taking the blame…. And the reason why, it was too much for them that’s why. It was too big of a deal so they let the nurse who they all didn’t like to take the blame.
15 life sentances caused by being fitted up by the doctors and management at that nhs hospital , and wait until the families of the babies rebel and start sueing , this is only the start of it all unravelling !
Stop going on about the families. Yes, it’s awful for them, but this is about an innocent woman. They have been lied to. They should be angry and want the truth. But this is about Lucy Letby.
NHS a blind man can see whats wrong with it. God why can`t these so called experts and politicians sort it out.??? Come and see me I spell out whats wrong with it and how to rectify it. I wouldn`t give the NHS another extra penny until its sorted.
The BBC and MSM in general threw Lucy under the bus from the start. They are guilty of creating this mess with continuous outrageous reporting. Lucy should be paid at the minimum £100 million in damages as she will never be able to do the job she loved as tens of thousands will always believe she is guilty. It makes my piss boil about how the media treated this poor Woman. The way the media found her guilty even whilst the trial was running is unfathomable.
Your mum thought liike me , the eviden ce given by prosecutor, tge fact tgey found so much documentation at her home , documentation that she should never taken out of the hospital.
Dewi evans is a quack and has a lot to answer for. Lets face it. He was paid a lot of money for a false diagnosis. Dewi should be made to pay this money back. And Id love for him to sit in jail to reflect on his actions
Justice for Lucy Letby! It is absolutely clear that Lucy was stiched up! She needs to be released immediately and the management and Doctors involved must be subject to intense scrutiny.
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Hospital killed my dad, Consultant, 2 nurses and doctor! A nurse previously tried to report them lost her job called a whistleblower! She cried to me apologising she tried to stop it! No justice for my dad or many others they did this too!
Sorry to hear that. We should be careful about apportioning blame, in general (I can't comment about your case) however tempting. The system is simply under too much strain. Investment has not kept pace with the expansion of the UK's population and the aging of the population and advancements in technology and training. Too much money is controlled by too few. A more equitous society would produce a better system. I feel sorry for medical staff on the frontline of such a degraded system.
This is going to make the NHS and British justice look like a complete shitshow.
Well it, err, is. Whole country is a total shambles, run by self serving complete incompetents.
It would be an honest view.
It is a veritable poo fest.
What strikes me the most is that someone was scapegoated. A woman is in prison for crimes that were not crimes. That could happen to any nurse in a failing unit. It does look like that they set her up and destroyed her life to cover up their own failings. Shocking!
@@ms.a.v.8748I agree. It's appalling. What has happened to England?
As an RGN myself (now retired) I have witnessed and was unfortunately too often the target of NHS bullying, backstabbing and disgusting misandry. I got out of the NHS around 1990 and went in to Industry as a practice nurse working on my own until I retired. I loved every day of it.
I strongly suspect Lucy was thrown under the bus to cover up medical malpractice. Never let a doctor take the blame when a nurse is easily available!
In one case a doctor injected a needle in to a sub capsular hepatic haematoma and presumably was surprised the poor infant died due to internal haemorrhage. Oh well lets cover it up and stitch up a nurse!
A murder conviction requires evidence 'beyond reasonable doubt' and surely now there must be deep reservations about this conviction.
I am so angry about this, yet another nurse getting the crap for poor medical care and incompetent doctors. I have been subject to it and it is utterly disgusting.
Also no coincidence, I suspect, that the doctors were foreign and she wasn't. The NHS is a very dangerous organisation.
Your experience is undoubtedly true. What may not be true is whether it applies to this case. I hope the review process will sort out whether an injustice has been done.
I have never believed she did of what she was accused of
I can relate, I used to work in mining and pharmaceutical industry and the amount of crap blamed on lab worker is apalling. Higher management will not accept responsibility even if caught red handed.
I'm a retired nurse of 42 years - this has never sat well with me iv always had doubts about her being guilty
The fact that the Drs in the hospital threw her under the bus shows their incompetence and their desire to cover up their own mistakes .
the presentation implied the doctors had lied.... we need a thorough investigation into everyone involved with this shitshow - and Lucy out of jail asap
It's scary how the hierarchy still controls the narrative.
From what I have seen of the Joke Shop ie NHS is a Piss Take the Corrupt Barstards,
@@lenkapenka6976nothing will happen to the doctors they won't let her out, she'll be lucky to get a new trial
There needs to be some serious trouble for these 'doctors'. Wasn't one of them a 'celebrity' doctor?
I saw the entire 2 hour press presentation... it was absolutely devastating... I think 100% beyond any doubt she was not only innocent, but others were highly incompetent, a total clusterfuck... and many people complicit in putting her away should be ashamed
Jailed then shamed
I can’t believe that this lovely young lady has been burnt at the stake by so many people 😢
I can't either what the police courts media have done to her are beyond evil
@@KatrinaAskey-rn9pq. Not to mention the levels of emotional & psychological strain needlessly created by misleading the families into believing their loved ones died as a result of foul play. This is one all round big dirty horrible mess.
I can believe it! Soooooo many people are self-serving c***
People are wicked.
What a terrible indictment on the NHS. She was scapegoated to cover the abysmal failings of others - higher up the food chain. How can Lucy and her family ever find the words to thank David Davies and the meticulous tirelessl work that he invested in pursuit of the truth. And the risk to his reputation if he was wrong. This one MP is a shining example that at least some politicians have integrity.
Assuming that's true, why was *she* scapegoated? It would be interesting to know if she had raised any concerns about doctors or other nurses, and if any of the people responsible for this suggested incompetence gave evidence against her.
I was blamed for managers' thickness
She was scapegoated because she won a grievance against male consultants and they had to apologise to her.
@BeatTheSensor
@@BeatTheSensorYes Dr. Jayaram and Dr. Brearey were the ones to be framed in Lucy's grievance process, who had to apologize to her in a letter. They happen to be implicated in the failings in the unit with specific babies, that Lucy was convicted for murdering, as pointed out by Dr. Taylor and Dr. Shoo Lee. They both testified against Lucy in court. Jayaram was actually reprimanded by the court of appeal for his inconsistent testimony.
The trial had pre-determined outcome and aimed to protect incompetent management.
Making one overworked nurse responsible for decades of malpractice is gross!
Well said
The legal system has been ruined by political interference.
Coming hot on the heels of the Post Office scandal, our judiciary system seems to be complicit in covering up the mistakes and incompetence of those at the top, with the hollowed out middle classes going unheard. I have to say, it looks like we're becoming a top hats and cloth caps society again.
It's much worse than in the past. I don't think it was deliberate in the past.
@@BeatTheSensorit's actually the same as the past.the only difference is people are speaking out more and with social media and independent journalism they can't keep these types of cover ups locked in the cupboard..
Did we ever stop being a top hat/ cloth cap society? All we did was stop wearing the hats. Nothing else has changed.
Quack "Write all your feeling in a book" Prosecution "We will take that and stitch her up but we will leave out where she wrote I DID NOT DO THIS"
Gaslightiing
Gaslighting big time !
Poor Lucy how she must have felt and is feeling now, she should be pardoned immediately
But she won't be. The British Justice system doesn't work that way. She will no doubt have to wait months for an appeal and potentially years to get to the end of the trial. Pray for her. 🙏
@sandyflanagan2898 too much media attention on this now. This will have to move quickly. It's obvious she's innocent.
I have 35 years experience of being a registered nurse. I’ve now retired my PIN number. I’ve seen cover ups of crap NHS systems but this example is obviously the worst. Initially I said that I hoped that she was guilty because if she wasn’t, how awful to be so wrongly accused.
21 years experience as a Registered nurse .. Left in 2010 because of the bullying and back stabbing, it is a very toxic environment. I have witness Drs covering up their own failures and refusing to listen.
Arrest the managers who silenced nurses for preverting the course of justice and witness intimidation
apparently it was the consultants who said Lucy was guilty, the managers actually tried to stop it originally!
Been going on for years in the nhs. Allegedly.
@@johnathonwright3552Perhaps, but there were also managers of CoCh that later told nurses that they couldn't testify in court or risk consequences, that sounds like witness intimidation to me.
@@johnathonwright3552 Yes but who threatened the nurses with punitive action if they gave evidence for Lucy Letby.
Long story short she probably was scapegoated to cover for the terribly inadequate conditions of the clinic. Well allegedly, allegedly. Something like the Fujitsu scandal?
yes
I think we all saw through the NHS circus - the system is absolutely corrupt and broken
Plus don't forget Breary started a ,"drawer of doom" on Lucy to let her be blamed.
Yes , I think the Doctors at the clinic at that time might be suffering from anxiety and panic attacks now. Evidence is all about whats Presented and left out
she looks guilty to me
I don’t know which I’m more ashamed of: British Justice or the NHS.
or the police?
The conviction is supposed to be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ which it clearly isn’t. I don’t know if she’s innocent or not but it seems like she hasn’t had a fair trial
it is beyond reasonable doubt, only public evidence is being used in the inquiry. there is a reason the Letby defense refused to bring experts in during the trial, because it would have only damned her further looking at the full picture.
That is reason for a retrial, not for her to be released.
@simontemplar404 they wont retrial, the courts have already said the inquiry cant change the her sentence. as in there is nothing they can find without all of the evidence that would result in a different outcome.
We'll see the outcome of this, but "experts" don't decide the outcome of trials. They certainly weren't in the maternity unit
Yes, "beyond all reasonable doubt" is the highest level of evidential guilt required in the UK criminal justice system. I am not jumping on any bandwagons because I have said this for some time....this conviction does not meet that criteria. I'm not saying LL isn't guilty, but this warrants a retrial.
Why would Starmer be interested? He's a sociopath.
Thank goodness there are people out there willing to fight for her!
for FREE it may be added.
I don’t get it, why should it now take further YEARS until Lucy will be heard again? This makes the whole injustice even more devastating.
Time to halt the Thirwell Inquiry before any more money is wasted - since it is based on a false premise that foul play took place.
I never thought lucy letby was guilty in the first place, that poor girl has been stitched up good and proper. the english justice system is a complete joke.
Lawyers are usually corrupt
It sadly is =(
But the good news is there are good people who have pursued truth and justice since the start, including some experts overseas.
No she isn't.
Supposedly when 46% of the NHS isn’t spent on medical care it’s not hard to understand why the NHS is run badly
Absolutely Correct 👏👏
I’ve always believed Lucy was just a scapegoat. I mean look at the state of our justice system. Thank goodness for all those who delved deeper to seek justice for Lucy and to bring the actual truth to all the poor families affected 🙏🏻💔
there was a case of a baby in nottingham killed by too much saline drip
She confessed but now I knew she was innocent from the masses
There’s no winners in this. Truth is eternal and will always out Michael Shore.
CCRC must act now. This is potentially so unfair and must be sorted.
CCRC isn't fit for purpose !
This panel with Dr Shoo Lee are experts who believe in the truth rather than fantasy.
There is no need for a re-trial as the expert panel has concluded there were no crimes. What is LL going to be tried for? Working 60 hr weeks?
lol your experts are garbage. There is no need for a re-trial as the b1tch is guilty as hell.
she did'nt protest her innocence because she knew it was a waste of time what good would it have done??????????everyone had already made there mind up that she was a killer..................
It would have wasted her energy
Don’t be so dense , she didn’t protest because she knew she’d get caught eventually she’s guilty
@@JamesBeattie-lz9cc She may well be guilty, but there certainly doesn't seem to be any *evidence* that's she's guilty. Take a look at the "evidence" used against her - it's either circumstantial or now shown to be misleading (at best).
@@JamesBeattie-lz9cc ?
She pleaded not guilty
Lots of us have been saying this all along and been called ‘baby killer sympathisers’. She never got a fair trial and numerous nhs professionals were terrible at their job and used Lucy as a scapegoat. There was raw sewage coming out of the taps! Thank God for these experts trying to get justice finally. We all empathise with the parents, they have been through the worst things anyone could go through, but I’m sure they want the right person held accountable and changes to be made in the nhs to prevent this happening to other babies.
I'm not saying that trials by juries should be scrapped...however, 12 random people with varying levels off intelligence and experience are expected to understand weeks of evidence that can be extremely in-depth. A barrister or engineer (2 careers that require intelligence) will not fully understand in-depth medical information. That is one of many issues with the justice system. As for the NHS its sadly treated like a religion and does not get the scrutiny it deserves for such bad management, waste of money and how incompetent it can be.
I think in highly technical cases, such as this one, multiple experts may be required as well as peer reviewed research being presented to the jury. In addition to that, there needs to be sufficient time for the jury to understand and process all the information to make an informed decision.
Surprise surprise, no justice for the working class, never has been, we can't afford to buy our justice.
We;; since Labour got in the investigation has begun, Conservatives may have tried to bury it.
Chronic underfunding and poor clinical management by the doctors. Lucy is reported by other nurses to have been a very good nurse working with a poor medical team. We’ve now seen how poor! Free Lucy now!
About time that this poor girl is cleared of the horrific crimes she's been accused of! I've always thought she was a scapegoat for unexplained deaths.
Release Lucy and compensate her for everything she's had to put up with.
These false accusations have ruined her life!!!
I just hope that Ms. Letby knows that there were people who believed her!
This is a disgusting miscarriage of justice!!
Why? A press conference is not evidence, is it?
And stop giving big money to so called expert witnesses.
@paulis8107 maybe not evidence, but it does set wheels in motion.
she cant be cleared. the courts said from the beginning regardless of the inquiry results, Letbys convictions will stand. there is a reason the Letby defense refused to bring experts in during the trial, where they would have been able to view all of the evidence, not just the public evidence used in this enquiry.
@@paulis8107 Neither was the "evidence" used against her in court.
We know hospitals cover up their mistakes. `The Operation was a Success but the patient Died´
I know. Went in for an operation. Wondered why all down one side of my body was deeply, heavily bruised & there was bad bruising on every limb. Next time I went past a mirror I saw that one temple was hugely bruised, one eye black-going right through to the other eye too. I asked questions, was I possibly dropped? No they all say. So what happened?
I knew she was innocent all along
@deceptiondetective was right again. The expert witness testimony was unsafe. I go to this hospital to attend the MS clinic which I can’t fault at all. When will we learn? This is horrific. It’s time to bring back the good old matron & put patient care before money. Doctors & nurses should be in charge not hospital managers, hundreds of them. It’s not working & it’s time for major reform.
Id like to see a debate with Mr Lee and Mr Evans, I know who my money would be on.
Evan’s deserves to be on a charge himself !
Well done to David Davis
and the rest of the guys for sticking with it.
Have a look at yesterday's UK Column that exposes a skeleton in Evans' cupboard.
If even half of this is true, she had a really poor defence team.
They were terrible! No character witnesses? No expert witnesses?
From my understanding, it was just literally just her and a plumber.
@@sbeast64😂😂😂😂..@plumber....tbh i just started following this 2 days ago and i thought hang on..things are not adding up, but then also thought of the notes found in her house etc.
Im not saying she is guilty but it seems she's not had a fair hearing and the evidences presented against her were quite skewed in the direction of ensuring she was found guilty without seeking to balance that view with other expert evidence!
David Davis - the best prime minister we never had.
If only he still could be… always rated him as a cut above most politicians of any party… He is a complete hero… and the pre eminent experts from all over the world carried out a truly independant and meticulous investigation… which can be completely relied on… ANDthere was No Money or Ego involved!!!🙏👍….
Didn’t he loose the leadership to David Cameron?
If so it’s 🤦🏻♀️
Yet another reason why people need to slow down when this stuff happens, justice needs time and everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But in the court of public opinion this lady was immediately judged as guilty.
I agree. The media jump on these types of stories as soon as they happen, then trash suspects & from a narrative that totally sways the public into believing or thinking in the same way. Media & journalists need to stop because it's destroying people's lives.
Yes, everyone wants to be the judge, with no knowledge, understanding or evidence. They just want a villain for sensationalist theories
The mainstream media need to take some responsibility as they the one that feed the public the headlines and what they report from inside the court,they condemned her
I always thought there was something not right about this case. A full investigation needs to be done and bring those to trial that were responsible.
Everyone including the Dr’s who pointed the finger at her need to be questioned at tribunal
God it's been hard enough to try and get an investigation into the grooming gangs from 15/20 years ago I wouldn't hold your breath.
Thank goodness for those like David Davis who are willing to take on the establishment in search of the truth.
Hopefully the parents can understand that their babies were not murdered by Lucy but we’re extremely sick, along with extremely bad practice by junior doctors.
followed by clownshow police followed by clownshow courts.
Poor Lucy is still stuck in jail. I hope this case is dealt with quickly as she has suffered enough.
Well done to those who spoke up! More people need to speak up.
If she is innocent, I’m sure this experience will have damaged her immeasurably. In theory she could opt for a Return to Practice course and re-enter the nursing register. If it were me I would not go near a patient again!
I said from the start that Lucy wasn't guilty. Yet another UK institution cover up. I now don`t trust any of them.!!!
A few years ago my friend who was a qualified medical doctor working in a maternity unit said that with the state of the NHS at that point, there was going to be an event in which babies would die and someone would be held responsible.
Hopefully people will learn to accept that sometimes, unfortunately, babies are in such a poor state of health that sadly nothing can be done, and blaming the staff is not always appropriate or even a mark of justice.
Forgiveness for mistakes and acceptance of natural processes
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My thoughts and prayers are with the families and their babies. I hope for truth and justice for ALL 🙏🏽
I don't think she is guilty. They needed a scapegoat.
What's nearly as remarkable is watching the two "Telegraph Establishment Puppets" being educated on the failings and shortcomings of the Establishment...
This now looks like a total miscarriage of justice 🤔🤔🤔
This is just a very sad case. I work in a very large NICU and this breaks heart!
It was always a case of they decided she was guilty so they only looked for things that would help them prove it. They were never interested in the truth.
Including a well paid for so called expert witness.
That's just the police and justice system.
Yes those consultants just made the “NO” evidence fit. Yes she should not have taken handover sheets home, but they are NOT medical notes
As in so many miscarriages of justice.
It really looks like that. The technical name is 'Confirmation bias', a common cognitive bias.
There should be an independent NHS Investigation Board to investigate every case!
Shes going to walk, watch this space.
It's becoming increasingly likely. Wonder how much compensation she would get for this.
I've been in healthcare for over 40 years now and I've seen some horrendous things committed by doctors with no comeback at all. Covered up by their colleagues or department with the blame going to the nearest healthcare worker around if feasible. I've always felt very uneasy about her verdict.
I listened to everything the world experts reported. She was a scapegoat.
And to make it worse, they used her to raise money for the hospital, then blamed her for everything that went wrong without evidence. Talk about evil!
David davies & Rupert Lowe.
Proper politicians.
Fighting for our rights.
The rest fighting for their own benefit and survival.
David and Rupert should form an all British party and bring this great country back to what it was.
The greatest tragedy in the justice system is when an innocent person is wrongfully convicted.
She confessed ???
@@michaelshore2300 she is in prison still stating her innocence ! wonder why ? because she is and has been fitted up !
@@michaelshore2300 there’s new evidence that suggest she was set up, she could possibly be innocent
@@michaelshore2300 No. She has maintained her innocence since the start. Having said that, there were conflicting messages in some post it notes they found, but they're not really reliable overall.
How will she possibly rebuild her life from this ☹️☹️
It will be hard, but it's possible.
A similar case is Lucia de Berk who also was a nurse and convicted of multiple charges. She was later exonerated and compensated for it, and she has since given a Ted Talk about her experience.
Thank God the truth is out .
LL original defence barrister should be stripped of his KC because he seriously failed in his duty to defend, that's why we're at this point.
What ever the outcome of this is, it is ludicrous how many people are saying ‘I knew she didn’t do this’ ‘I knew she was a scapegoat’ ‘I always felt something was wrong’, Oh poor girl, she was obviously set up’. On what basis? Feelings? Or the idea that a female nurse isn’t capable of such atrocities. I doubt hardly any have read the court transcripts. There may have been a miscarriage of justice, but we shouldn’t assume innocence on feelings.
If nobody ever saw LL do anything wrong and she wasnt even in the places at the times she was accused of being and there are other explanations that would put the responsibility at the feet of numerous senior employees and management. If it is another example of seriously mismanagement of a hospital, it does seem plausible that the rich and powerful though incompetent might prefer a scapegoat. Very sad for the parents whatever the truth. terrifying for LL if innocent. The truth ought to be more important than covering the arses of senior employers. And perhaps the countess of chester hospital ought to be closed down. Unfortunately we have the post office scandal involvering 700 innocent victims, multiple lives lost, several suicisides, hundreds of famlies devasted, many jailed for being innocent including a pregnant woman and yet decades of persistent lying simply to cover the arses of senior employees and management.
Not to mention the evil doctors involved in the tainted blood scandal. We really can't trust anyone in this country.
Some Dr's need to be charged here
They'll probably be promoted sideways
According to Deming the founding father of Quality Management (1986) Out of the Crisis, 95% of problems are down to the system and it is the workers who get the blame. All business consist of processes, management use a number of processes to construct their management system all processes suffer from variation which is the responsibility of the management. As a professor of management I believe that the Lucy Letby problems are down to the culture of the system. Peter Harrison DBA, PhD MSc PGCE.
I truly believe that we now have to prove our innocence. Rather than innocent till proven guilty 😔
I’ve always questioned Lucy’s innocence, but what I don’t understand is how she could only have been proven guilty of murder by EVIDENCE…. So how can solid evidence proving her guilty of murder suddenly change to now no evidence of murder??? There is seriously something wrong with the medical results, documents, people responsible
This doesn't surprise me at all. The prosecuting team against Lucy were on a power roll and made a bunch of money doing it.
Are the NHS trying to cover up something?
Diversity hires.
I did not follow the case thoroughly. I heard about it and saw her conviction on TV. Now I am starting to think that she was scapegoated to cover up the failings of the neonatal unit. I suspect that they set her up.
A mixture of stupid police and lying doctors throw in a biased judge and here is the result a young woman locked up for life ,,, Beyound evil what they have done to her not forgetting the filthy media and their demonising her
@@rolandhawken6628 add inbred Dr Ravi Jayaram too busy doing TV doctor shows on channel 4
The nhs and hospital used her as a scapegoat for their poor performance and unforgivable negligence… that poor young woman and her poor family!!!
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Lawyers can be equally incompetent.
They're lazy, money worshipping sociopathic, ignorant, arrogant, plus incompetent investigators, especially regulators' staff.
God sees us whistleblowers
Very worrying times. This does not sound let a genuine mistake in the justice system, it seems more like a collective of individuals working together (under somebody's orders) to convict an innocent women. If this is so and she is truly innocent, we first need to get the truth for the parents (i.e. what really caused the tragic deaths and who was responsible) and then go after the collective who worked on the false conviction and establish whose orders they were following
If this woman is cleared then every single person currently employed by the CPS should be sacked on the spot!
Shame they can't do something like this with the Global Warming / Climate Change argument..., or the "weather" as the rest of us know it... Team of experts, the best people in the world, setting out the case one way or the other. It would save the whole world billions...
This looks bad . If 🎉Letby turns out to be innocent an immediate release has to come . Compensation definitely . No ideas as to how she will pick up her career though .
Lucy letby is innocent. She is not capable of killing so many babies. Not perfect I agree and I certainly don’t think she helped herself during her trial but she is innocent and the NHS have let her be jailed for all of their wrongdoing, neglect, bad management yet again instead of taking the blame…. And the reason why, it was too much for them that’s why. It was too big of a deal so they let the nurse who they all didn’t like to take the blame.
I honestly think the conviction was unsafe and rushed through.
He did not say say "maybe innocent" he said that there was no murder
Why has the Dr that did actually kill a baby and then accused Lucy not been arrested
DEI.
@@BeatTheSensorNo immigrants no NHS
Exactly
because he/she is a DOCTOR and not some nurse who is easier to blame!
Dr Ravi Jayaram ...
I didn't think it felt right at the time, she always looked in pain.
15 life sentances caused by being fitted up by the doctors and management at that nhs hospital , and wait until the families of the babies rebel and start sueing , this is only the start of it all unravelling !
Free Lucy! The evidence was always questionable; more so with what we now know.
Stop going on about the families. Yes, it’s awful for them, but this is about an innocent woman. They have been lied to. They should be angry and want the truth. But this is about Lucy Letby.
How many babies have died in this hospital since Lucy has been removed? What procedures have been put in place since this tragedy
The hospital was downgraded a long time ago so it doesn't take such premature baby's of low gestation so we can't compare.
NHS a blind man can see whats wrong with it. God why can`t these so called experts and politicians sort it out.???
Come and see me I spell out whats wrong with it and how to rectify it. I wouldn`t give the NHS another extra penny until its sorted.
Thank the Lord we no longer have capital punishment.
he didn't say she might be innocent. he said there was no crime.
And if there is no crime she can't be guilty.
The BBC and MSM in general threw Lucy under the bus from the start. They are guilty of creating this mess with continuous outrageous reporting. Lucy should be paid at the minimum £100 million in damages as she will never be able to do the job she loved as tens of thousands will always believe she is guilty. It makes my piss boil about how the media treated this poor Woman. The way the media found her guilty even whilst the trial was running is unfathomable.
So so sad and lack of teamwork ...her colleagues threw her under the bus
Jury never heard any of the undermining evidence
Those lawyers in both sides need prosecuting
This is going to be so expensive.
Said to my mum she’s innocent since the trial and my mum looks at me like I’ve got two horns. So terrifying how people just believe any narrative
Your mum thought liike me , the eviden ce given by prosecutor, tge fact tgey found so much documentation at her home , documentation that she should never taken out of the hospital.
Dewi evans is a quack and has a lot to answer for. Lets face it. He was paid a lot of money for a false diagnosis. Dewi should be made to pay this money back. And Id love for him to sit in jail to reflect on his actions
Justice for Lucy Letby! It is absolutely clear that Lucy was stiched up! She needs to be released immediately and the management and Doctors involved must be subject to intense scrutiny.
There was no medical evidence!
Absolutely shocking the justice system has allowed the original case to be so biased 😢
34:51 Starmer? He doesn't give a sh1t about justice 🤷🏻♀️
I kept saying this woman did not kill babies . I just knew she was not guilty .