I don't know if you hit unprecise or your settings for the triggers are off so you have false or double triggering, but in the faster parts it doesn't sound accurate :/ accuracy and defined hits > speed for me. In your other videos they sound fine though.
Gar Mack Thank you a lot, I continue practicing. It is much more Beautiful now. And I will answer to haters what you just said. Thank you a lot ! And please subscribe to my channel and share my vidéos it would be very kind !
people who say triggers are cheating have obviously never seen them or worked with them. They just allow you to sample an existing Bass drum sound, to get that click sound. You still have to work hard as fuck to get even 16th notes on the bass with the triggers.
this is one of those answers only stupid , or realy stupid people will dislike . YES sir you are correct!! it is nkt as easy as it sounds . muscles have to adapt to 1000th of a second so they stop and go when your brain commands . amazing in deed . good answer man , my like!
Right but see the issue that people have (i'm not saying that i have this issue...frankly i don't give a fuck) is that triggers tend to count every hit equally. You don't have to hit the drum well or indeed with any real force and it still sounds like you're pounding the hell out of it with every shot. The triggered sounds are all based on kick drums that are being stepped into really hard so they get the full tone and the full click. Using a trigger puts that at your disposal even when you're just barely tapping the drum or drumming quite inconsistently with bad technique. Again, i really don't care either way. This is the root of the argument though. Few reasonable people would argue that the guy who's using triggers and ghosting half the strokes is as skilled as the guy who's hitting the drum consistently and getting a nice sound out of it with every hit. And no, it's not impossible. My drummer and many like him are such players. It's just a difference in philosophy with some people. Personally, i find it dopey that anyone would get offended by the use of triggers. Good music is good music regardless and your creativity is paramount at the end of the day. The tools you use are entirely up to you.
alterI4 Nope... you simply cant hear the beat without trigger. That gentle and quiet touch dont do anything. And when mic'd, you would hear an enormous explosion when playing normally and really hitting the drum. Trigger allows you just to be fast and and not knowing how to tune your drums to sound good. Mostly people tune their bass drum tight as hell, and it sounds awful without filling the entire drum with pillows, and then you have lost your sound totally.
+alter4 - Exactly. One dude started laughing and giving me shit about using triggers. He said, "you got triggers you cheater? That means you can't play", well I shut off the trigger module and showed him otherwise. It's true you can use them for cheating but it have never even crossed my mind. They're actually pretty necessary when playing fast douple bass, atleast when recording.
Lol. Triggers are in fact cheating, otherwise nobody would have this long bullshit list of excuses for using them. They're completely fucking dishonest from a musical and physical perspective and they sound just so. They sound like utter crap, because they are. Play the drums or don't. Simple.
I've never worked with Alesis triggers before, only Roland electronic drums and then Ddrum triggers for bass. I know one thing that can help with really sensitive triggers is tuning the actual drum down a couple notches. It looks like they're well packed, so it's not that. It might help at the lower speeds if you really exaggerate the motion of the heeltoe, too. The high speeds sound good! Try checking out Tim Waterson talkin about heel toe, it might help you get that machine gun sound. :)
Ok. But if you saw the description, I am looking for help to set up my triggers perfectly. I understand that you know how to do, so could you help me ?
Hey, I'm learning how to play drums seeing some videos here on RUclips, including your videos. You show very well the drum techniques. I notice that you play the drum pedals without shoes. Do you think it's better playing drums without shoes? Do you recommend it?
I played without shoes, but now I'm always using shoes, from Vans to Vratim now. It is what you prefer the best things 😊 Try both and see what you prefer, the one you feel the most :)
I would like to see anyone who says it's just the triggers try and do this with the triggers, guarantee you will sucks shit, nice job man, you make me want to practice that much more
Salut, bravo pour ta performance! des doubles croches à 270 bpm aux pieds! C'est impressionnant... perso j'arrive à cette vitesse... avec mes mains. les moment où tu traces tu es en RRLL non? Est-ce la technique du talon pointe? Je n'en ai pas l'impression... ça va tellement vite que je capte rien pour bosser ça c'est la même technique qu'avec les mains (long et chiant mais quelle bonheur après...)? Genre au début on a l'impression d'etre handicapé et après on se compte qu'on va plus vite qu'en frisé? Merci de ta réponse
+Jeremy Chanday Salut ! Merci pour ce commentaire ! Alors, j'utilise une sorte de talon pointe mais le premier coup est fait avec le milieu du pied et je slide pour le deuxième coup avec la pointe mais avec la vitesse c'est le plat du pied 😊. C'est un mix entre talon pointe et slide 😛
This is a nice technique to go fast.. but have you tried this with other pedals? I changed out my direct drive Axis pedals with pearl`s chain driven ones, cause the Axis pedals for me was harder to balance right.. And also this technique on chain pedals with tight springs gives more dynamic.. And the second stroke will be harder too :)
Larry Tate No just the A longboard 😊 I tried both but I like more the Axis, I feel myself better with these pedals and Axis has the ekit system that is far the best trigger system for kick drum !
Good drumming and good video, I have only one question, why do you use triggers? I think with that drummers are badly accustomed, you use a very good technique should reinforce practicing with your acoustic set to make harder shots and achieve greater volume but real. Sorry for the mistakes, I use Google translate.
nice video i have a question.. the foot tempo looks the same all throughout are frames being dropped when uploading ? or am do i have a misunderstanding somewhere help me out.
This technique looks new to me, looks like double stroke and your drumhead seems to be very tight, isn't it? Looks like this is really easy to play.. I cant hold high BPM with heel toe for long
Good playing. We all have room to improve always. I understand everyone hating on trigger setups. I definitely woukd rather hear a guy playing through the head and still get high dynamics, but with the direct link style pedals they play soft. So, triggers make the increased playability audible. Bring those doubles back in tempo for a while and get them smoothed out then bump the bpms again. But bro, f**k these trolls. Nice work.
I respect this kind of drumming, and you have to be very talented to play like this and so on, but i've never liked this kind of drumming. I feel like there are no drummers like me, that uses chain pedals, bass mics, and RLRL technique left today. I only see people playing 250 bpm double bass without any groove everywhere... (Again, I still respect it...)
I have a lot of respect for you ! You explain exactly what you think, a lot of people say it is shity drumming, but to my minds, this drumming is less exhausting, and I have to play very precisely. I can do RLRL to 220BPM but a little bit of time, with my band I play a 264BPM song, and it is better for me with heel-toe ! Thank you a lot for your respect ! :)
Thomas Crémier Thomas Cremier, you're a very talented player. Keep those negative comments by the idiot haters in your rear view mirror. Those that can't, bitch about and try to tear down those that can. It takes talent to do anything fast and accurate and these people have no idea how long it takes to get heel toe down to sound that good at that level. It's lonely at the top Thomas, when your good most people can't just be happy for you and respect your body of work. Congrats on your success now and in the future and tune out the bitchy white noise in the background. BPatrick
Lastshadow94 rudinger uses doubles from time to time too (check out his live performances with the faceless or the cognizance session work). But the most time he uses singles.
Everyone does realize that you can not play double bass above 215 bpm with out triggers right? Not to mention the triggers pick up the hits more than a mic does which is why speed metal or death metal drummers use them on the bass drums. So not only do you have to be more precise but if you make a mistake everyone can hear it. I used to be against triggers but if you don't have a maple, birch, acrylic or solid mahogany drum kit you will never get the right pitch or tone out of your bass drums. Anyone who disagrees with this has never played live with a Tama rockstar kit or any other bass wood or mahogony/bass wood combo kit mic'd up on the bass drums.
It is all in how you set up the bass drums. I have had great, clear sound out of a 22x18 tama starclassic maple, 24x16 tama rockstar dx, and 22x16 tama rockstar.
Swedenisawesomeftw Do you have videos of your drummer playing clear and loud 16th note double bass at 265bpm with nothing but mics?? I am not trying to be a douche, I just really want to see.
A lot of it is ignorance. Triggers are not cheating because you still have to play every beat. What I don't like is how drummers will feather tap the bass drums when triggered. They set the sensitivity so high that something as little as a squirrel fart will trigger a full volume bass drum hit.
The triggers are not on his bass drum heads, they are the axis e-kits which have a seperate beater that strikes a trigger attatched to the frame of the pedal. He needs to mess with the beater setting of the e-kits if he wants to quit having mis-triggering issues. That or he just needs to practice more and tighten up his playing.
After watching this video it really makes me appreciate drummers like Dave Lombardo, Sean Reinert, Gene Hoglan, and Pete Sandoval for their true talent and abilities at high speed, heal up, non-double stroke double bass drumming. Sure, a couple of them may use triggers, but they're ability at playing each note on the kicks consistently, heal up and without double strokes does not in any way depend on triggers. This guy's kicks would not be heard at all without triggers, they're SO stuffed and he hits them SO soft due to double strokes that there's no power! I'm not knocking triggers or this guy's playing style whatsoever... I think it's fine to enhance the punch and sound of a drum! When triggers are used properly in the mix, it sounds fuckin' incredible! Tim Yeung uses triggers the way they should be used. He plays those kicks with full force and intensity, hard and fast, note for note and that's double bass drumming! Same as Lombardo "The Godfather", his playing does not depend whatsoever on triggers to show his true skill, speed, and ability. Just my opinion....not H8ing.
Damion Ramirez I understand what you say, that was my beginning of this technique, go check my last videos, I gained some skills, please go to see how I play now, because this video is 2 years old..
OK, I will. I really wasn't knocking your playing or triggers dude, I am just amazed when I see players that can play high speed double bass drumming with full force and not rely on triggers. The swivel foot technique is the way to go for power!
+Jamie Jeffords I was using Palestine or SpeedMetal but the one I prefer now is Reggae. I don't use it anymore.. I'm not able to tell you the settings, but if you have some problems to set your DM5 I can help you which setting is meant for what 😛
fuck yeah man. Those are some killer CNC machined pedals too. Aret they titanium or steel? Sometimes I wonder if lighter alloys have the advantage for speed or if heavier metals keep momentum going making it easier.
The amount of talent and stamina you have to have to be able to play at that speed I tried tapping my feet along with the first bit 10 seconds in my feet just went nope
Hey, so it's occured to me in watching this video that the bass drum heads are super tight and stuffed to the brim. Then triggers are added. I could tell because there was no head movement when the beater hit the head and of course the sound. I don't have a lot of experience in Death Metal, but is this common practice?? I'm use to the Metal guys of the 80's and 90's just rolling the kicks RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL maybe triggered or not but the bass drums had a more natural sound? I'm curious because i've only been playing double kick pedal for a little over year with my current band and have come a long way, but i have no were near this kind of speed, but i'm not using triggers, and my head tension is just slightly above wrinkles with minamal muffeling. I'm sure i need to oil up my peadl and play with the tension a bit, but just curious.
This technique is called heel toe. It is double strokes RRLLRRLLRRLL. I play now with my bass drum heads very loose, tension to the max. This video is a demonstration of heel toe. It is used by a lot of drummer, professionals and beginners. It is a complicated technique because you have to play very clean to do each stroke in time. Go check my last video, You won't hear the difference between double strokes and RLRLRLRL. For the triggers, it isn't a cheat or something giving the play easier. I play loud, and the trigger is used to record my kick without having a mic in each bass drum, it gives the possibility to choose the sound I want, and working with trigger makes the playing more difficult because you have to hear each beats, and if you play not in time it would be heard.
triggers...if anything...show whether youre good or not. take a player like George Kollias. he uses triggers, but he also has the power behind what he does. you can see how far back his beaters go and you can tell hes actually playing. thats one of the reasons he uses felt beaters because he plays so fast and hard he can (and has) melted plastic beaters to his drum head before. then you have these generic wannabes using triggers. they show they can go 300bpm and their beaters are barely moving. they give triggers a bad name. then you have people that think theyre good...or are in the process of getting better...they use triggers and you can hear the inconsistency. if they learn from the inconsistency, and get better because of it, its a good thing. this guy for instance. he can go fast with doubles but hes inconsistent. if hes learning and getting better thats not a bad thing, but if he continues to use triggers and doesnt get better, other drummers might get gigs he wants.
I agree and well said and GK was the perfect example, learn to play the right way with single strokes and accurate before you try other strokes, which this person clearly hasn't done. No real drummer jumps right to double strokes unless they can't master single, that's it in a nutshell. The non-drummers may be thinking this is something special, but real drummers are kinda laughing at the massive cop out.
At that time (2013) I used real heads with medium tension, Then in this video I start using mesh heads with very high tension, to have more rebound : ruclips.net/video/_r5GAjEuiX4/видео.html And here is the explanation of the technique used : ruclips.net/video/HuWI3aJzqAU/видео.html
@@ThomasCremier for sure 🤘 if I would have seen the second video you referenced much earlier in life I would probably already be there. Visually seeing the movement is so much more helpful, I was always trying to create too much emphasis on the heal. Once I figured out that it's more like tap dancing with a nervous tick, it became a lot easier. Lol
I really enjoy to see ur video,your double stroke soo fast..and i agree play double stroke can save energy when play on the stage..thanks for video and much respect
are you doing it RR, LL or just RLRL? theres a bunch of techniques so I'm sure you'll find one that's good for you. I saw a different tech I never seen before. check it out- Strange Double Bass Foot Technique explained!
Thank you bro' !! :-D You are the only one who tell me how to help me with triggering ! The recordings for the 2nd album of my band is better ! Settings of the triggers are well and have a good sound !
Good vid man, keep up the good work. As for the haters saying its cheating? Finding a method of technique that saves you energy isnt cheating, its smarter drumming. As stated already, cheating would be miming a track and taking cred for it.
its strange, when you double up speed i cant see your feet double up any speed nor the mallets hit the fur more often than before.. how come? Seems just like you move your feet a bit backwars
user:redrum i play heeltoe technique. It means that when I double the speed, I use the rebound and play RRLLRRLL. My legs are moving in a different way to play heel down and using the middle of the foot for the first strike and pushing the pedal for the second.
At first it really burns yeah ! But just as sports, when you train your muscles to gain power, stamina and consistency, years after it’s not burning much 😉 But the first year I trained on the technique, it clearly was painful !!
I have to say great job on this but the downside is that it would get you to famous like Justin Beiber or Metallica or some top artist but it will get you to probably the top hall of fame of drummer or whatnot! (if that seemed uplifting)... Question here, Have you played like the "REV" type drumming in "Waken the Fallen"? That seems challenging if you can.. hope you do a cover on that in the future and good luck!
Ya know I would say that this is cheap because you're technically abusing the sensitivity on the triggers....but then I realize it takes a crapload of practice to control the bounce like that. Much respect and props to you. Keep it up!
Find your weakness. Example, you have more power on the right, loose up the left pedal's tightness. That said, you'll be able to notice the balance on both beaters. Also, beaters keep the same distance for both. Not to close and not to far. Running or working out helps for your legs to keep up and avoids the risk of cramps. Dont forget to breathe and enjoy. Hopefully I've helped.
Awesome video! Not sure how I wound up watching this... but whenever I find another person that uses heel-toe, it begins to give me more hope in the world. I've been playing heel-toe for several years and, like you, I've gotten dangerously close to clean 300 BPM playing; I haven't tested myself in a few months, maybe I'm finally there. Who knows? Never understood why anyone would play any other method when looking for speed. Unless you don't care about having any actual power in your hits, then you can play swivel or spaz out on heel-up. Personally, I enjoy being able to hit the heads over 250 BPM with nearly as much power as I can when playing slower grooves with the flat-foot technique. \m/ stay brutal \m/
Oh thanks a lot ! Lot of people say that it is cheating or not real drumming. This video was the first month I played Heel-toe. Now, it is less sloppy and more powerful. Check my video New Sound ! Congrats for the 300bmp. I didn't achieve to play that fast..
Certainly not cheating haha. It's simply a technique; I'll never understand why people consider certain techniques to be cheating. It's just as close to cheating as swivel, slide, and whatever other techniques. As long as the triggers aren't set insanely sensitive, I don't have a problem with any style of double-bass playing. Best of luck in the future; I'll certainly check out the video you referred to! \m/
Yeah it is 100% trigger but listening to it a decade later…. It is sounding awful 😅 Do not hesitate to check my latest drumming videos, you will notice the chance in audio but also video production !
Dude!! Those Remo heads are tight due muffling. That up tempo at the end sounds brutal! that is why I love using remo heads on my PDP kits and getting myself a double pedal soon. Can you do blast beats in 150 to 240 BPM? I like to hear in such bass Drum triggers in recording.
Yeah those Remo heads were nice ! I am now using Roland power ply mesh heads and they are fabulous ! They give so much rebound, and they do not produce that much sound so it gives cleaner recordings ! For the technique used, here are the video explaining it (in a more modern visual, because this video on which you commented, is so old) ruclips.net/video/HuWI3aJzqAU/видео.html For blast beats, I really advice you to check my recent covers and videos, so you’ll check fast blasts beats 😉 And you can also watch some new music videos from my band HURAKAN, in which there are blasts up to 280bpm ! Asmodeus, Umbra and Void 😉 (My favourite is Void and is in the same kind of atmosphere as Aversions Crown)
@@ThomasCremier I appreciate that. can you do like "Holy wars" by Megadeth? That song is challenging but the song is from Guitar Hero Warriors Of Rock. can you do that with Nick Menza's drumming?
@@Rusli1659LPSoldier generally drum parts from bands of the Big 4 are not really difficult because of the speed but it’s all about stamina ! Keeping the right hand in strokes for a entire show, whatever if it’s on the hihat or crash or china is difficult to follow ! But yeah, as I did the cover of The Day That Never Comes, you can see the work on the right hand ! Please bear with me, this was my second video, so I didn’t have the level of drumming and production as of today 😂
all can say is practice.. try doing rolls like five stroke rolls and try to get up to at least 11 stroke rolls on your feet this will help.. all it is going from 16th to 32nd notes..do slow 32nds and build it up to 280 bpm.. also George Kollias , he tells how how got so fast.. its about being able to do both double and single foot as fast you can.. I think he stops about at 330 to 340 bpm..
You're wrong 😉 the beaters are doing RRLLRRLL like a rolling with your hands. This is the same but with feet. Look at my recent videos the quality is much better and you could better see the technique 😊.
lol people talking about triggers , u still have to play the beat in order to get the sound so the triggers take it.... not every place its equiped with the best mics and shit.... but theres one thing for sure ,triggers dont make u go faster ..
Can you do a bass drum cover of Farther Away by Evanescence? No one ever shows what he’s doing with his feet!! It’s the best bass drum I’ve heard that continues through the whole song!
+WereFromUrFace triggers will take not the sound of your bass drum or toms or snare like a microphone and convert it in a variation of voltage. The trigger will take the vibration out of you drums. Through the cable, there will be a voltage that represents each beat you make. For triggering you will need a drum module (like the one of an electronic kit). SO when you will plug a trigger in the module you will choose the sound you like. Triggering your drum is making it hybrid (acoustic/electronic).
My drum teacher can do this with out a double pedal he showd me Once and he really did it it was amazing I tried doing this with a double pedal but I failed this guy is amazing
No way? Are u talking about alternating kick and floor tom? Cause if he did this with his right foot only he'd have to literally superman and show the world it.
well hes not that fast but he can do it sort of like this but hes not using floor tom and his not even using his left foot i'm just like O-O HOW U DO THAT TEACHER
For all of those whinning about him doing doubles, then play heel toe as rlrl. right toe-left toe-right heel-left heel. Your still doing doubles but your playing every other stroke between your feet.
Thomas Crémier Right, that would be a "roll" with the feet. But is that what you are doing? Or are you interlacing the strokes, so that each foot is doing a diddle, but instead of RRLL, you interleave them so you get RLRL, but twice as fast? Just curious, because you are going pretty fast.
Thank you man !! Do not hesitate to subscribe ! More vids are coming ! It's a long time since I didn't upload any vids because I changed my set and mics so mixing takes some time !
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I don't know if you hit unprecise or your settings for the triggers are off so you have false or double triggering, but in the faster parts it doesn't sound accurate :/ accuracy and defined hits > speed for me.
In your other videos they sound fine though.
Luemm3l He definitely has triggers installed on his bass drums.
Gar Mack Thank you a lot, I continue practicing. It is much more Beautiful now. And I will answer to haters what you just said.
Thank you a lot !
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people don't realize how hard this actually is
Yes, I totally agree with you !
jason G People don't realise how hard this actually is WITHOUT TRIGGERS FOOL!
you can still do it without triggers but it sounds clearer with them lmao
I can see it,and I wouldn't sacrifice my feet for such cool thing
@no no shut the fuck up
Is that heel toe or slide? I saw someone reach this speed by using slide technique and you seemed to be using it as well. I might be wrong.
It is close to slide yes but close to heel toe. It is a kind of mix. I will upload a video explaining that !
that would be cool! \m/
I need time but yeah I will do it !
Holy shit, he's doing doubles!
D man Ma-gee more of a pressure control, if you could even call it that
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people who say triggers are cheating have obviously never seen them or worked with them. They just allow you to sample an existing Bass drum sound, to get that click sound. You still have to work hard as fuck to get even 16th notes on the bass with the triggers.
this is one of those answers only stupid , or realy stupid people will dislike . YES sir you are correct!! it is nkt as easy as it sounds . muscles have to adapt to 1000th of a second so they stop and go when your brain commands . amazing in deed . good answer man , my like!
Right but see the issue that people have (i'm not saying that i have this issue...frankly i don't give a fuck) is that triggers tend to count every hit equally. You don't have to hit the drum well or indeed with any real force and it still sounds like you're pounding the hell out of it with every shot. The triggered sounds are all based on kick drums that are being stepped into really hard so they get the full tone and the full click. Using a trigger puts that at your disposal even when you're just barely tapping the drum or drumming quite inconsistently with bad technique.
Again, i really don't care either way. This is the root of the argument though. Few reasonable people would argue that the guy who's using triggers and ghosting half the strokes is as skilled as the guy who's hitting the drum consistently and getting a nice sound out of it with every hit. And no, it's not impossible. My drummer and many like him are such players. It's just a difference in philosophy with some people. Personally, i find it dopey that anyone would get offended by the use of triggers. Good music is good music regardless and your creativity is paramount at the end of the day. The tools you use are entirely up to you.
alterI4 Nope... you simply cant hear the beat without trigger. That gentle and quiet touch dont do anything. And when mic'd, you would hear an enormous explosion when playing normally and really hitting the drum. Trigger allows you just to be fast and and not knowing how to tune your drums to sound good. Mostly people tune their bass drum tight as hell, and it sounds awful without filling the entire drum with pillows, and then you have lost your sound totally.
+alter4 - Exactly. One dude started laughing and giving me shit about using triggers. He said, "you got triggers you cheater? That means you can't play", well I shut off the trigger module and showed him otherwise. It's true you can use them for cheating but it have never even crossed my mind. They're actually pretty necessary when playing fast douple bass, atleast when recording.
Lol. Triggers are in fact cheating, otherwise nobody would have this long bullshit list of excuses for using them. They're completely fucking dishonest from a musical and physical perspective and they sound just so. They sound like utter crap, because they are. Play the drums or don't. Simple.
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I've never worked with Alesis triggers before, only Roland electronic drums and then Ddrum triggers for bass. I know one thing that can help with really sensitive triggers is tuning the actual drum down a couple notches. It looks like they're well packed, so it's not that.
It might help at the lower speeds if you really exaggerate the motion of the heeltoe, too. The high speeds sound good! Try checking out Tim Waterson talkin about heel toe, it might help you get that machine gun sound. :)
Ok. But if you saw the description, I am looking for help to set up my triggers perfectly. I understand that you know how to do, so could you help me ?
Hey, I'm learning how to play drums seeing some videos here on RUclips, including your videos. You show very well the drum techniques. I notice that you play the drum pedals without shoes. Do you think it's better playing drums without shoes? Do you recommend it?
I played without shoes, but now I'm always using shoes, from Vans to Vratim now. It is what you prefer the best things 😊 Try both and see what you prefer, the one you feel the most :)
I would like to see anyone who says it's just the triggers try and do this with the triggers, guarantee you will sucks shit, nice job man, you make me want to practice that much more
Salut, bravo pour ta performance! des doubles croches à 270 bpm aux pieds! C'est impressionnant... perso j'arrive à cette vitesse... avec mes mains. les moment où tu traces tu es en RRLL non? Est-ce la technique du talon pointe? Je n'en ai pas l'impression... ça va tellement vite que je capte rien pour bosser ça c'est la même technique qu'avec les mains (long et chiant mais quelle bonheur après...)? Genre au début on a l'impression d'etre handicapé et après on se compte qu'on va plus vite qu'en frisé? Merci de ta réponse
+Jeremy Chanday Salut ! Merci pour ce commentaire !
Alors, j'utilise une sorte de talon pointe mais le premier coup est fait avec le milieu du pied et je slide pour le deuxième coup avec la pointe mais avec la vitesse c'est le plat du pied 😊. C'est un mix entre talon pointe et slide 😛
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you have a very good control in base that i never expect that before
good job lov it 👌💓
Mostafa Mohamed thank you ! :)
But please go check my updated video of speed technique :)
Much more precise ! Thank so much !!
This is a nice technique to go fast.. but have you tried this with other pedals?
I changed out my direct drive Axis pedals with pearl`s chain driven ones, cause the Axis pedals for me was harder to balance right.. And also this technique on chain pedals with tight springs gives more dynamic..
And the second stroke will be harder too :)
Nice job! Are those the Derek roddy version axis pedals or the other type? How do u like them compared to pearl eliminators?
Larry Tate No just the A longboard 😊
I tried both but I like more the Axis, I feel myself better with these pedals and Axis has the ekit system that is far the best trigger system for kick drum !
Fuuuuck! Not many people can play so fast with this pedals. Respect man!
Marthyn of belphegor, Morgan Van Helsing, Maybe George Kollias?
What foot pedals you use? And what beater? I use Iron Cobra pedals nd trick pro 1-v detonator beater.
Thomas Crémier haha nice. Thanks i might get some for shits n giggles. I cant really do heel toe on my cobras for some reason.
Brandon Mac2455 Yeah I tried Cobras but I did not like them at all 😛
Thank you good sir.
I don't practice my doubles enough. I've been just concentrating on single notes.
Good drumming and good video, I have only one question, why do you use triggers? I think with that drummers are badly accustomed, you use a very good technique should reinforce practicing with your acoustic set to make harder shots and achieve greater volume but real.
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nice video i have a question.. the foot tempo looks the same all throughout are frames being dropped when uploading ? or am do i have a misunderstanding somewhere help me out.
It is a called the heel-toe technique. When it speeds, I do double strokes. It is 2 beats left, 2 beats right. Same technique for the hands :)
This technique looks new to me, looks like double stroke and your drumhead seems to be very tight, isn't it? Looks like this is really easy to play.. I cant hold high BPM with heel toe for long
Good playing. We all have room to improve always. I understand everyone hating on trigger setups. I definitely woukd rather hear a guy playing through the head and still get high dynamics, but with the direct link style pedals they play soft. So, triggers make the increased playability audible. Bring those doubles back in tempo for a while and get them smoothed out then bump the bpms again. But bro, f**k these trolls. Nice work.
yeees
I respect this kind of drumming, and you have to be very talented to play like this and so on, but i've never liked this kind of drumming. I feel like there are no drummers like me, that uses chain pedals, bass mics, and RLRL technique left today. I only see people playing 250 bpm double bass without any groove everywhere...
(Again, I still respect it...)
I have a lot of respect for you ! You explain exactly what you think, a lot of people say it is shity drumming, but to my minds, this drumming is less exhausting, and I have to play very precisely. I can do RLRL to 220BPM but a little bit of time, with my band I play a 264BPM song, and it is better for me with heel-toe !
Thank you a lot for your respect ! :)
Thomas Crémier Thomas Cremier, you're a very talented player. Keep those negative comments by the idiot haters in your rear view mirror. Those that can't, bitch about and try to tear down those that can. It takes talent to do anything fast and accurate and these people have no idea how long it takes to get heel toe down to sound that good at that level. It's lonely at the top Thomas, when your good most people can't just be happy for you and respect your body of work. Congrats on your success now and in the future and tune out the bitchy white noise in the background. BPatrick
Kollias, Krimh, Inferno, Hoglan, and Rudinger all play singles, if I remember correctly.
BPatrickful White noise ?
Watch my latest video to listen to my sound now !
Lastshadow94
rudinger uses doubles from time to time too (check out his live performances with the faceless or the cognizance session work). But the most time he uses singles.
Ah man I've never appreciated metal but Ive been on a 2xbass drum hype all week, any suggestions?
axeczar yes !! You could check Within Destruction and Aversions Crown 😜
Brutal metal but with faaaaaaast double bass 😉
Dude, you rock the double, end of story...incredible!
Everyone does realize that you can not play double bass above 215 bpm with out triggers right? Not to mention the triggers pick up the hits more than a mic does which is why speed metal or death metal drummers use them on the bass drums. So not only do you have to be more precise but if you make a mistake everyone can hear it. I used to be against triggers but if you don't have a maple, birch, acrylic or solid mahogany drum kit you will never get the right pitch or tone out of your bass drums. Anyone who disagrees with this has never played live with a Tama rockstar kit or any other bass wood or mahogony/bass wood combo kit mic'd up on the bass drums.
The drummer of my band plays double bass cleanly and audibly at 265, then again, he's not using this trigger abusing method.
It is all in how you set up the bass drums. I have had great, clear sound out of a 22x18 tama starclassic maple, 24x16 tama rockstar dx, and 22x16 tama rockstar.
Swedenisawesomeftw Do you have videos of your drummer playing clear and loud 16th note double bass at 265bpm with nothing but mics?? I am not trying to be a douche, I just really want to see.
I don't understand the BS against triggers. It's like people yell at you for being a shitty untalented drummer when you use triggers.
A lot of it is ignorance. Triggers are not cheating because you still have to play every beat. What I don't like is how drummers will feather tap the bass drums when triggered. They set the sensitivity so high that something as little as a squirrel fart will trigger a full volume bass drum hit.
The triggers are not on his bass drum heads, they are the axis e-kits which have a seperate beater that strikes a trigger attatched to the frame of the pedal. He needs to mess with the beater setting of the e-kits if he wants to quit having mis-triggering issues. That or he just needs to practice more and tighten up his playing.
strange happenings yes i worked a lot my technique and changed triggers
Updated version : ruclips.net/video/_r5GAjEuiX4/видео.html
Just checking, what you're doing here is two strokes on foot followed by two on the other (like with hand technique)?
Yes ! Exactly ! ;)
After watching this video it really makes me appreciate drummers like Dave Lombardo, Sean Reinert, Gene Hoglan, and Pete Sandoval for their true talent and abilities at high speed, heal up, non-double stroke double bass drumming. Sure, a couple of them may use triggers, but they're ability at playing each note on the kicks consistently, heal up and without double strokes does not in any way depend on triggers. This guy's kicks would not be heard at all without triggers, they're SO stuffed and he hits them SO soft due to double strokes that there's no power! I'm not knocking triggers or this guy's playing style whatsoever... I think it's fine to enhance the punch and sound of a drum! When triggers are used properly in the mix, it sounds fuckin' incredible! Tim Yeung uses triggers the way they should be used. He plays those kicks with full force and intensity, hard and fast, note for note and that's double bass drumming! Same as Lombardo "The Godfather", his playing does not depend whatsoever on triggers to show his true skill, speed, and ability. Just my opinion....not H8ing.
Damion Ramirez I understand what you say, that was my beginning of this technique, go check my last videos, I gained some skills, please go to see how I play now, because this video is 2 years old..
OK, I will. I really wasn't knocking your playing or triggers dude, I am just amazed when I see players that can play high speed double bass drumming with full force and not rely on triggers. The swivel foot technique is the way to go for power!
Damion Ramirez I understand don't worry ! I know you aren't a hater because you explain your point and thank you for that !
also do you have a good voice and settings for a good 808 on the DM5??
What are the settings for your kicks on the dm5 and which sound are you using? Thanks!
+Jamie Jeffords I was using Palestine or SpeedMetal but the one I prefer now is Reggae. I don't use it anymore.. I'm not able to tell you the settings, but if you have some problems to set your DM5 I can help you which setting is meant for what 😛
How do you get that bounce off the drum head with the kicks? Tighter tension? Certain beaters?
I have my spring tension to max, Tama Iron Cobra beaters, :)
fuck yeah man. Those are some killer CNC machined pedals too. Aret they titanium or steel? Sometimes I wonder if lighter alloys have the advantage for speed or if heavier metals keep momentum going making it easier.
I thought I was a wierdo for playing without shoes, glad to see I'm not the only one.
Mrschticky I played without shoes but now its with shoes sorry 😛 but a lot of drummers play without shoes or socks !
I use Vans to play, it helps
The amount of talent and stamina you have to have to be able to play at that speed I tried tapping my feet along with the first bit 10 seconds in my feet just went nope
Buzzin Boi thank you mate !! :)
You can check my newest videos, best quality 😉
hes using triggers lmao
Dude that's cool! All the best,
David Curtis Drumming
Hey, so it's occured to me in watching this video that the bass drum heads are super tight and stuffed to the brim. Then triggers are added. I could tell because there was no head movement when the beater hit the head and of course the sound. I don't have a lot of experience in Death Metal, but is this common practice?? I'm use to the Metal guys of the 80's and 90's just rolling the kicks RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL maybe triggered or not but the bass drums had a more natural sound? I'm curious because i've only been playing double kick pedal for a little over year with my current band and have come a long way, but i have no were near this kind of speed, but i'm not using triggers, and my head tension is just slightly above wrinkles with minamal muffeling. I'm sure i need to oil up my peadl and play with the tension a bit, but just curious.
This technique is called heel toe. It is double strokes RRLLRRLLRRLL. I play now with my bass drum heads very loose, tension to the max. This video is a demonstration of heel toe. It is used by a lot of drummer, professionals and beginners. It is a complicated technique because you have to play very clean to do each stroke in time. Go check my last video, You won't hear the difference between double strokes and RLRLRLRL. For the triggers, it isn't a cheat or something giving the play easier. I play loud, and the trigger is used to record my kick without having a mic in each bass drum, it gives the possibility to choose the sound I want, and working with trigger makes the playing more difficult because you have to hear each beats, and if you play not in time it would be heard.
DM5 settings?
velocity
decay
noise
how do you have this set?? also the voice you use??
I set the DM5 :
Gain 99
Vcrv 7
Xtalk 00
Dec 00
Noise 99
Voice Plastine
Pitch +1
How tight do u have your bass drum? Like as tight as snare or like as tight as a tom?
Tight as a tom ;-)
Hellow Thomas ,
I did some songs with this drum set and wanted to show them, where can I send them?
SOMBRA ROBLR Hi ! You can send it to my email address cremier.thomas@gmail.com using wetransfer :)
triggers...if anything...show whether youre good or not.
take a player like George Kollias. he uses triggers, but he also has the power behind what he does. you can see how far back his beaters go and you can tell hes actually playing. thats one of the reasons he uses felt beaters because he plays so fast and hard he can (and has) melted plastic beaters to his drum head before.
then you have these generic wannabes using triggers. they show they can go 300bpm and their beaters are barely moving. they give triggers a bad name.
then you have people that think theyre good...or are in the process of getting better...they use triggers and you can hear the inconsistency. if they learn from the inconsistency, and get better because of it, its a good thing.
this guy for instance. he can go fast with doubles but hes inconsistent. if hes learning and getting better thats not a bad thing, but if he continues to use triggers and doesnt get better, other drummers might get gigs he wants.
I agree and well said and GK was the perfect example, learn to play the right way with single strokes and accurate before you try other strokes, which this person clearly hasn't done. No real drummer jumps right to double strokes unless they can't master single, that's it in a nutshell. The non-drummers may be thinking this is something special, but real drummers are kinda laughing at the massive cop out.
How do you have your bass drum head tension? Loose? Tight? A specific note?
At that time (2013) I used real heads with medium tension,
Then in this video I start using mesh heads with very high tension, to have more rebound : ruclips.net/video/_r5GAjEuiX4/видео.html
And here is the explanation of the technique used : ruclips.net/video/HuWI3aJzqAU/видео.html
@@ThomasCremier very cool. 🤘 Thanks.. since I've posted this I'm up to around 270 BPM. Still working towards 300
@@brandonclement Maaaaan !!! Congrats !! 300 are so damn complicated to have cleanly ! Keep drumming !
@@ThomasCremier for sure 🤘 if I would have seen the second video you referenced much earlier in life I would probably already be there. Visually seeing the movement is so much more helpful, I was always trying to create too much emphasis on the heal. Once I figured out that it's more like tap dancing with a nervous tick, it became a lot easier. Lol
@@brandonclement Ahahah exactly, you could see it as tap dancing 😉
Keep practicing ! You'll get there !
i guess double strokes are easier if you have direct drive pedals right?
I really enjoy to see ur video,your double stroke soo fast..and i agree play double stroke can save energy when play on the stage..thanks for video and much respect
Oh man ! It makes me very happy ! I will continue :)
hey man i was wondering what bass drum technique do you use?
Nice job man! Good triggering :)
Thomas Cremier: let's have a double bass drum off!
Lars: shit*
Mar 1700 hi ! Please check my last video because it is this one but updated : better, faster, stronger 😉
This is music genius
are you doing it RR, LL or just RLRL? theres a bunch of techniques so I'm sure you'll find one that's good for you. I saw a different tech I never seen before. check it out- Strange Double Bass Foot Technique explained!
270BPM deathstream with hidden on. sick
wow man, awesome tone. id really like hearing a full song with this in it :D
Nice!
What pedals are those?
Thank you bro' !! :-D
You are the only one who tell me how to help me with triggering !
The recordings for the 2nd album of my band is better ! Settings of the triggers are well and have a good sound !
Who ya talkin to
insane :D love this video!
Thanks a lot !! 😃 Check my other videos if you like !
Thomas Crémier your beats are all over the place, u need to go back to 160 bpm and start from there.
No mate, leave this guy alone.
He knows his stuff
Chelsea Withers It's not tight at all, his beats are way out of time man its speed instead of accuracy on display here.
Nope :)
You might want to actually be a drummer before commenting on others videos.
Speed master!! Amazing work!! Your grooves kill!
Martyn Luna Thank you so much for that ! :D Keep going the work ! :)
Good vid man, keep up the good work. As for the haters saying its cheating? Finding a method of technique that saves you energy isnt cheating, its smarter drumming. As stated already, cheating would be miming a track and taking cred for it.
its strange, when you double up speed i cant see your feet double up any speed nor the mallets hit the fur more often than before.. how come? Seems just like you move your feet a bit backwars
user:redrum i play heeltoe technique. It means that when I double the speed, I use the rebound and play RRLLRRLL. My legs are moving in a different way to play heel down and using the middle of the foot for the first strike and pushing the pedal for the second.
Gnarly dude, sounds awesome
Just watching this, I can feel my calves burning, I could only imagine how much they'd burn after actually playing this long
At first it really burns yeah ! But just as sports, when you train your muscles to gain power, stamina and consistency, years after it’s not burning much 😉
But the first year I trained on the technique, it clearly was painful !!
You doing heal toe technique on the fast moments?
Dude you have so much talent 0:
+El Schaffer (MysteriousEl) Thank you a lot, but it was a long time ago, check out my recent videos, better sound and skill I think 😊
220BPM = machine gun
270BPM = minigun
alter! ganz große show! großen respekt vor dir!!!!!
what is the stick on your bass drum?
Where I can find it?
It is the Iron Cobra beater. In both. You can find it in your drum store or Thomann easily.
Was jamming out to this on my guitar, I made some EZ goodness
Is this a kick drum version of a buzz roll?
I have to say great job on this but the downside is that it would get you to famous like Justin Beiber or Metallica or some top artist but it will get you to probably the top hall of fame of drummer or whatnot! (if that seemed uplifting)... Question here, Have you played like the "REV" type drumming in "Waken the Fallen"? That seems challenging if you can.. hope you do a cover on that in the future and good luck!
Please excuse my total ignorance. What are “triggers”?
Wow, amazing stuff my dude!
You should try doing it single strokes as its much more cleaner and sounds more powerful.
Paul Placucci I have much more practice now, and there is no difference between Heel toe and singles. Listen to my latest videos. :)
Ya know I would say that this is cheap because you're technically abusing the sensitivity on the triggers....but then I realize it takes a crapload of practice to control the bounce like that. Much respect and props to you. Keep it up!
Wow ! :) Thank you for this, some guys just say it is cheating without trying and seeing it is not so easy ;-)
music to my ears
Find your weakness. Example, you have more power on the right, loose up the left pedal's tightness. That said, you'll be able to notice the balance on both beaters. Also, beaters keep the same distance for both. Not to close and not to far. Running or working out helps for your legs to keep up and avoids the risk of cramps. Dont forget to breathe and enjoy. Hopefully I've helped.
Awesome video! Not sure how I wound up watching this... but whenever I find another person that uses heel-toe, it begins to give me more hope in the world. I've been playing heel-toe for several years and, like you, I've gotten dangerously close to clean 300 BPM playing; I haven't tested myself in a few months, maybe I'm finally there. Who knows? Never understood why anyone would play any other method when looking for speed. Unless you don't care about having any actual power in your hits, then you can play swivel or spaz out on heel-up. Personally, I enjoy being able to hit the heads over 250 BPM with nearly as much power as I can when playing slower grooves with the flat-foot technique. \m/ stay brutal \m/
Oh thanks a lot ! Lot of people say that it is cheating or not real drumming. This video was the first month I played Heel-toe. Now, it is less sloppy and more powerful. Check my video New Sound !
Congrats for the 300bmp. I didn't achieve to play that fast..
Certainly not cheating haha. It's simply a technique; I'll never understand why people consider certain techniques to be cheating. It's just as close to cheating as swivel, slide, and whatever other techniques. As long as the triggers aren't set insanely sensitive, I don't have a problem with any style of double-bass playing.
Best of luck in the future; I'll certainly check out the video you referred to! \m/
Thanks a lot ! And yeah I share the same point of view !
You can subscribe too ;-)
what does it it sound like without triggers?...
epic man. keep it up
Thank you ! I trained a lot and think I'm better at it now (look at my last videos 😉)
pure trigger sound
Yeah it is 100% trigger but listening to it a decade later…. It is sounding awful 😅
Do not hesitate to check my latest drumming videos, you will notice the chance in audio but also video production !
Dude!! Those Remo heads are tight due muffling. That up tempo at the end sounds brutal! that is why I love using remo heads on my PDP kits and getting myself a double pedal soon. Can you do blast beats in 150 to 240 BPM? I like to hear in such bass Drum triggers in recording.
Yeah those Remo heads were nice ! I am now using Roland power ply mesh heads and they are fabulous ! They give so much rebound, and they do not produce that much sound so it gives cleaner recordings !
For the technique used, here are the video explaining it (in a more modern visual, because this video on which you commented, is so old)
ruclips.net/video/HuWI3aJzqAU/видео.html
For blast beats, I really advice you to check my recent covers and videos, so you’ll check fast blasts beats 😉
And you can also watch some new music videos from my band HURAKAN, in which there are blasts up to 280bpm !
Asmodeus, Umbra and Void 😉
(My favourite is Void and is in the same kind of atmosphere as Aversions Crown)
@@ThomasCremier nice, I would check the other videos out. But it sounds like a machine gun in world war 3.
@@Rusli1659LPSoldier yeah they do sound like a war machine ! 😂
Thank you checking out the new content 😊
@@ThomasCremier I appreciate that. can you do like "Holy wars" by Megadeth? That song is challenging but the song is from Guitar Hero Warriors Of Rock. can you do that with Nick Menza's drumming?
@@Rusli1659LPSoldier generally drum parts from bands of the Big 4 are not really difficult because of the speed but it’s all about stamina !
Keeping the right hand in strokes for a entire show, whatever if it’s on the hihat or crash or china is difficult to follow !
But yeah, as I did the cover of The Day That Never Comes, you can see the work on the right hand !
Please bear with me, this was my second video, so I didn’t have the level of drumming and production as of today 😂
all can say is practice.. try doing rolls like five stroke rolls and try to get up to at least 11 stroke rolls on your feet this will help.. all it is going from 16th to 32nd notes..do slow 32nds and build it up to 280 bpm.. also George Kollias , he tells how how got so fast.. its about being able to do both double and single foot as fast you can.. I think he stops about at 330 to 340 bpm..
Cool double strokes, dude
220 bpm 1/ 8 ? why not you test 140bpm 1/32 and 160bpm 1/32 ?
Acen gazzledie I think you are jelaous sir
damn this guys foot cam has a foot cam...u should give one to david diepold because he needs it.... great fucking job, absolutly amazing
What bass pedals are you using?
I may be wrong but those beaters didn't look like they were moving as fast as it sounded
Kinda like lip syncing! Lol
You're wrong 😉 the beaters are doing RRLLRRLL like a rolling with your hands. This is the same but with feet. Look at my recent videos the quality is much better and you could better see the technique 😊.
Gotcha
+Marty Racioppi what is actually triggered the drum head or the pedal?
I've never used before so I really don't know!
+Marty Racioppi the pedal i think
+Abel Steinmo the trigger is attached to the drum with the sensor on the head
lol people talking about triggers , u still have to play the beat in order to get the sound so the triggers take it.... not every place its equiped with the best mics and shit.... but theres one thing for sure ,triggers dont make u go faster ..
Nice double strokes man
what techneque are you using??? heel toe?
Can you do a bass drum cover of Farther Away by Evanescence? No one ever shows what he’s doing with his feet!! It’s the best bass drum I’ve heard that continues through the whole song!
Great drumming man! I wish I could be that fast one day!
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me what triggers do?
+WereFromUrFace triggers will take not the sound of your bass drum or toms or snare like a microphone and convert it in a variation of voltage. The trigger will take the vibration out of you drums. Through the cable, there will be a voltage that represents each beat you make. For triggering you will need a drum module (like the one of an electronic kit). SO when you will plug a trigger in the module you will choose the sound you like. Triggering your drum is making it hybrid (acoustic/electronic).
So awesome
Are those iron cobra beaters?
Yes ! :-)
Yeah on small little 18 or 20 inch bass drums ,do try it on the 24 I've got two of them it's not that easy
Well, that's 22" bass drums.
On 24" I'll be able to do it. So stop hating, there is no secret, just go practice
My drum teacher can do this with out a double pedal he showd me
Once and he really did it it was amazing I tried doing this with a double pedal but I failed this guy is amazing
No way? Are u talking about alternating kick and floor tom? Cause if he did this with his right foot only he'd have to literally superman and show the world it.
well hes not that fast but he can do it sort of like this but hes not using floor tom and his not even using his left foot i'm just like O-O HOW U DO THAT TEACHER
tighten it up and you're good to go man. get your hands up to the speed you're at with your feet and you're there brother :)
For all of those whinning about him doing doubles, then play heel toe as rlrl. right toe-left toe-right heel-left heel. Your still doing doubles but your playing every other stroke between your feet.
Heel-to-toe doubles? Is that the technique you are using? Hard to see, it is so fast the camera can't keep up.
Tadd Seiff Kind of heel-toe, like RRLLRRLL in hands but with feet !
Thomas Crémier Right, that would be a "roll" with the feet. But is that what you are doing? Or are you interlacing the strokes, so that each foot is doing a diddle, but instead of RRLL, you interleave them so you get RLRL, but twice as fast? Just curious, because you are going pretty fast.
Tadd Seiff It is truly RRLLRRLL, it is roll. Look at my video of The Axe by Gojira, maybe you will see better :)
Thomas Crémier Cool, thanks and good work!
Thank you man !! Do not hesitate to subscribe ! More vids are coming ! It's a long time since I didn't upload any vids because I changed my set and mics so mixing takes some time !
you could try the hybrid, heel toe or the swivel foot technique