Double Bass Drumming - WITHOUT TRIGGERS - Kerim 'Krimh' Lechner
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2020
- In this week's lesson at the Drum-Technique Academy Kerim 'Krimh' Lechner talks about double bass drumming.
He discusses his approach on how to play loud at slow- mid- and up-tempos. This way you don't have to rely on bass drum triggers.
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i've been playing the drums in and out for 20 years, but only recently started studying proper double bass technique. it might look easy to go at 140bpm steadily like that but it definitely isn't. the amout of control these metal drummers have is absolutely insane
I miss the 90s with 4 tracks and no triggers. You had to be good. We had a 14 pc Tama double bass drum set, BC Rich and Jackson guitars through Marshall tube amps. With a good mic set up I think it was superior. There is a natural sound that just has an element you lose with all the processing. Before click tracks people really needed to be good.
6:04 The tutorial starts.
Krimh! What a beast
true that!
He's amazing..no wonder Krimh's my favorite drummer!🥁
I know this is about double bass, but snare sounds insane
I agree !!
I believe hes using a mid 80s Tama Imperialstar snare drum here
@@steviemac2377 sounds beautiful
Looks like a Tama King Beat Snare
Looks like a rockstar or imperial star. I kept my rockstar pro snare from the 1980's still use it as my main snare.
7:37 ARTTT OF DYINGGGG
What a insane double bass pattern, Dude!
@@mt85 yeah man its sick
I was going down the comments to say the exact same thing !! such a pleasure to play this beat
@@lucienledune1077 Oh is it? I can only imagine. Cant wait to progress to that level. Love gojira (and Death and tool and soad haha) have fun drumming mate
@@prateekyadav9811 Well ultimately it sounds fast but it isn't that fast. All you need is good limb independance but it is just 140bpm 16th notes. With enough willpower i'm sure you can learn it too.
It's so slow that you don't even need to use the ankle technique for your feet.
Good luck if you end up trying someday, and have fun ! ;)
Great lesson! Thank you for sharing!
Very informative and useful!👌Going over each of these topics helps me a lot. Thank You Krimh!
Love these Krimh videos.
One of the most complete drummers in Extreme Metal 💪🏻 A loud hail to you from Santiago, Chile!
Yep! I paid attention! Thank you Professor Lechner!
True master of his craft 🙌
Finally some of the big youtube drummer said it, I feel the younger generation think they all have to use triggers to play metal drums, and that is kind of sad.
I use triggers even though I don't play live.. I love learning how to use electronics with musical instruments. It's really interesting!
Excelente video y krimh gran batería greetings from Spain
Wow this is very informative I have started learning some songs too thanks alot 💪🤟🤘
Pro tip: If you use a small diaphragm condenser, such as a SM81, 3 inches (7.5cm) away from your beater, along with an outside kick mic, like a Solomon Lo Freq, you can get to about 250bpm before the mics sound sloppy and triggers become necessary.
Great video, thank you for this!
You may be right, but it still makes sense to use triggers live as they provide a consistent source for the engineer to work with and it saves lots of time.
Wise words as always krimh!
Exactly Krimh is very wise and diplomatic that no one would want to counter him in some way.
When it comes to drumming i want to learn it ALL! 🤘
that's the spirit :-)
That drum sound, damn.
just relaxing listening to this in the background while studying. and I head the Art of Dying?!?! 7:35
same here
Right?!
Those kicks sound super nice.
Fr and you have the best profile pic 😎🤘
Blasphemy Made Flesh is brutal.
nice vid dude :)
Cream is my favorite drummer
hi, I'm Krimh.. I rule.. the end.
Der beste Lehrer
This is what I need! I've never used triggers ever. If this works I won't have to switch to triggers!!!
I usually don't play with triggers, but I was doing a song with sections of 240 (or 32nds at 120), and even though it sounded okay by itself, when I put it in the rest of the song, it just sounded like one note -- as if a truck were driving past. I had to re-record the part with a trigger to make the notes audible in the track.
Krimh!!! Fuck yeah
The legend krimh, since I watched his videos I always wanted to play double bass like him. Marthyn we need the beast Mario duplantier, make dreams come true 😂.
Is that an Imperialstar snare?
Do I hear a little Gojira in there at 140bpm? :)
Pure curiosity, why dual mic the snare?
Is it important to use a small bass drum such as a 20" to play faster? What size are your kick drums?
No it's not, unless we are talking like 26" and up i would say. he probably use 22" kicks!
@Sebastian Giordano Yes ofc but you dont NEED to have a small bass drum to play fast
What is the song playing at the very end?? Thanks,!
we haven't released that one yet
What kind of head is on your kick? Sounds awesome
Powerstroke 3
that sounds like the stock metal sample from ez drummer 2
This is heal up technique and can be used for speeds up to 300bpm whist maintaining power.
Hey Krihm is that you Delta Empire?
To achieve such a sound in the bass you have to but also front head in addition to the butter;
Dude, my left leg is like significantly weaker than the right, will subscribe to DTA as soon as I get a job.
I had the same problem when i got a double pedal. I would work out my left leg Calf thigh & ankle mostly calf at the gym on its own at the gym after doing both the same just to build muscle in that specific leg. Bike riding is good also. The main thing is just practice. I highly recommend you get/make a bass drum practice pad and practice A LOT. Use your throne as your new permanent chair for a while lolol! While chillin on the computer, watching TV etc. It wont take that long to gain the similar power as your right leg. =D happy drumming buddy!!!
@@Dirk_Von_Dickshlinger I know your comments a years old but do you have any good ideas on a diy bass drum practice pad? If I have to spend $100 for one I will but I’d rather not lol
7:40 - gojira? ;p
7:37 The Art of Dying
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Powerful drumming is where it's at... none of the feet on the floor garbage.
Almost looks like your leading with your heel?
I'm assuming your cap at 210ish bpm is for single strokes? I'd imagine someone can use double strokes to push it
220 even with doubles will sound like mush with a mic.
*causally plays The Art of Dying*
Kommt noch was, oder muss man zahlen das man mehr sieht?
I believe Khrim and Eloy Casagrande até 2 of the best and most complete drummers alive.
An adaptive device for injured drummers who can’t life their heel off the ground. I have an idea.
Some Bass drum heads can sound like Triggers. Depending on the brand and model.
i need to make a drum lesson at this academy and everywhere to talk about the truth of speeds dynamics and sound. cause many drummers are sooooooo wrong about different things regarding speed, dynamics and sound. and thats also the case with krimh
David Krautscheid maybe he is being misunderstood, he said at triggers remove dynamics...they do if you set your module to only play a fixed volume note, (which is what a lot of drummers choose to use) but you can also set the module to be more dynamic and register different volume on different hits. Khrim then said that when you play without triggers and without microphones, your ears tend to hear both bass drums to be very even volume wise but as soon as mics are incorporated you will definitely notice a lot more if the volume is uneven from one foot to the other...I agree with both points and fail to see where he is so wrong about them...perhaps I misunderstood you.....
good luck with that
The clicking sound of the triggers is very annoying. It takes away all the coolness of the drum sound and can ruin the overall sound if it's too loud in the mix. We hear that all the time unfortunately.
I played in Thrash and death metal bands in the early 90’s. I was never as clean or fast as the guys today, and I never really wanted to be. I love that I can hear some inconsistencies on many of the classic metal records, it makes it sound like a human played the parts. Back in the day, we just put our feet on the pedals and went for it. I respect the amount of hours drummers spend mastering techniques, it's pretty incredible. I watch these new metal drummers and can't fathom the speed with which they play, and the endurance. Luckily for me I don't wanna play that fast, because I'm way too old to start putting all that work in.
Great idea for a video, I always thought drummers who relied too much on triggers weren't 'legit'. It's not YOU making the sound, it's a machine. I'm not saying it's wrong to use triggers, but it is to only use them.
Does that mean that anyone who plays an electronic kit is cheating, or isn't "legit"? Or anyone who plays an electronic keyboard instead of a piano?
@@johnknight9150 Yes it is for drummers, as I said an electronic drums make a great sound even if you hit them with bad technique so it removes that part of playing the acoustic instrument. As far as keyboard vs piano, it's much less of a problem imo.
@@GuiGeekDrummingSo all that '80s music is cheating?
@@johnknight9150 I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, I answered your question I'll leave it at that...
@@GuiGeekDrummingI'm saying you're being silly and narrow minded. Electronic drums have been a major part of music since the late '70s and have a unique sound of their own that is indispensable.
In regards to triggers, the advantage gained by people disabling the dynamics (I don't), is balanced out by the need to be much more accurate. Acoustic drums hide a lot of sins, such as messy ghost notes and sloppy timing. When you play with a trigger, those issues are amplified for all the world to hear. Unlike the big sloppy woompf of a bass drum, a short sharp trigger note leaves you nowhere to hide. If your kick notes are early or late, the entire world can hear it. And you can't lean into the head either, like a lot of lazy drummers do. You're forced to play the timing and placement of each note much more precisely.
I am watching carpet, you stick grinder :)
What?
I don't understand at all. There is nothing in this video except someone playing some 140 bpm?
Because they cant do any faster without triggers and doing double strokes.
@@adelaidedrummer 🤨 🤦♂
140 is the example BPM. Look in the bottom-right corner, it specifies (Normal) and (Loud). Watch the technique more closely when he alternates between the two feels.
Triggers came about to help hear doubles at speed, glad this guy is showing people to stop using triggers as a crutch. 90s death metal didn't have good recordings, and without triggers doubles were muddy as hell in the mix. Do your research people, even Vinnie Paul used triggers but still banged the shit out of the kicks, use them for sound not power.
go listen to Anthrax albums from the 80's, you will hear good recordings, and good double bass
@@bestiaonthedrums Anthrax is thrash metal not death metal.. Listen to an early Morbid Angel album it didn't sound nowhere near as good as a Pantera or Anthrax albums of the time. But listen to Morbid angel Domination with triggers and the double bass is much more clear.
@@JacobSnover morbid angel was an underground band in the 80's, Anthrax had a good budget for recording, I don't care if it's not death metal, Among the Living had double bass parts up to 220 bpm and you could hear it without triggers, thanks
@@bestiaonthedrums You're the one who mentioned Anthrax when I was talking about Death Metal. I also never said you couldn't hear the double bass on the albums, only that it was muddy. I know you could hear it because I've been learning and playing and teaching double bass for over 20 years, and used their albums as inspiration. Also saying someone plays at 220bpm doesn't mean it's fast, what if he was playing quarter notes?
Your arguments make no sense, and don't change the fact that a lot of drummers, in death metal, in the 90s, used triggers to compensate for bad mixes and a poorly tuned kick drums.
You're welcome.
@@JacobSnover listen to the horror of it all, and realise what kind of bullshit you just said, btw, I'm older than you
If a person uses triggers for anything 240 bpm they are a tool.
Wait until you put it into the rest of a song, especially if you have one bass drum with a double-pedal. I was recording a song with 32nds at 120 (same speed as 16ths at 240) and it sounded okay by itself, but when played with the rest of tracks, it just sounded like one note. We had to re-record the parts with a trigger in order to hear what the bass drum was doing, 'cos it just sounded like a truck driving past.