@@dslrvideoshooterjust a heads up, some Tiffen filters like the Black Satin have grids of bokeh artifacts that can make certain shots unusable, since they show up so prominently in bokeh orbs. Just had it ruin some client shots I did since I wasn’t aware of that issue. I called tiffen and they were like “yeah we know, other people have complained too”…
I understand that it is a simplification, but in the end we are going towards a loss of definition after looking for absolute definition... it is almost absurd or nonsense, a bit like filming a VHS video in 4K. many of the effects in this video you can get with old ruined UV filters or blurry vintage lenses that you can find used for 10 dollars.
Nice filters. I would love to see a video showing the differences between lens filters and post effects and the reasons why some effects can’t be done in post as well as a lens filter.
@@jessecumberledge4530 Haze is - again- something different entirely (if you're talking about pumping haze into a set). Haze, optical diffusion and "digital" diffusion are all a bit different...
I can’t be the only one who isn’t a fan of Black ProMist filters. I get when they’re used with a purpose, but way too many people here on RUclips use them 24/7 and never take them off their lenses. When I see videos with very low contrast and extreme highlight blooming I can tell right away they just slapped on a BPM filter because everyone else is doing it This Smoque filter is quite interesting though and if used purposefully I think you can get amazing footage with it
Agreed. Glimmer glass is much better. I see a lot using 1/4 to 1/2 BPM filters, it's too much, but like a lot of newbs the tendency is always to go heavy handed.
I have the Glimmerglass 1 and often film outdoors, let me tell you, the halation and the way it softens the harsh digital frame are worth every penny. It makes my footage look dreamlike and totally different to anything else out there. So much more to it than any software effect you can use.
What do you think about GG 1/2? On videos looks like it is twice less powerful than 1 and much less powerful than BPM 1/8. I consider GG 1 or GG 1/2 just for having really subtle halation. I'm just afraid 1/2 can be twin image to no filter because so far Glimmerglass line is the most subtle in Tiffen.
Thank you for the comparison. GxAce, Casey, might be the most creative filmmaking and photography channel I know. All his content is way up there. Strongly suggest his channel. Every video is almost like a sci-fi movie (blade runner and such), great content.
Thank you so much for giving me a shout out at 8:08 Been watching your stuff for ages and never thought I would one day appear in one of your videos :)
What's good about the filter is - you may no longer need to get a vintage lens, as you can get a pretty much the same look with putting a filter on top of a modern lens. They way I see it.
I want to view the videos mentioned in this video but don't see the links in the description at all, just affiliate links and product links. Were they removed?
I loooooove your studio and that little table with the Macintosh on it!!! It almost looks like a CG or a toy scene and the lighting is really great. Could come directly from a Pixar movie or something. Really great work.
If a filter’s main selling point is lowering contrast, I’d be tempted to just do that in post, but I suppose it could be helpful for high dynamic range scenarios
They also effect light sources by adding a bloom effect and can have a nice softening effect on skin which can be flattering on older subjects or female subjects I have an older repeat client who wouldn't like the look of the image when it was too sharp, pop on a Hollywood Black magic filter and they love it
ну и зря. такого же эффекта можно добиться и на посте. дублируй слой, добавь сильное размытие по Гауссу для верхнего слоя, поменяй режим наложения на Замену светлым и уменьши непрозрачность. всё. абсолютно такой же эффект
Ouch... the RUclips compression on this video really hurts. You need to add some grain to the final video so you don't get all that distracting banding. Also, how does using this filter compare to just applying a negative dehazing in post?
I love shooting with filters but I always get nervous about having the look baked in. Most of the time I'll shoot the sequence twice, one with and one without...just because I know I'll kick myself later if I don't.
I have a question Caleb. I use SLR Magic microprimes which are already a bit flare-ry, not very sharp and they don't have much contrast as well almost like a vintage lens. Now I use them as my own signature look for how they render these characteristics. I'm willing to get the Glimmerglass but is it worth it or will it be overkill?
Amazing video as always, and was actually just starting to go down the diffusion filter rabbit hole (Tiffen, Moment, Urth, etc.). Was also happy to see the shoutouts at the end of the video. Such a simple gesture, but genuinely something that can make a huge difference for smaller creators!
Would you say that these effects are also achievable within your editing software? Is there much of difference in the final look? (Besides obvious workflow differences)
I would hope so as those little guys are expensive. I haven't tried it, but I already know you can get those glow effects. You might be able to take a solid color maybe an off-white and blend it over the image to give it that milky smoke. I need to try it.
Thanks for this extremely useful video! I’ve been following your channel for 5 or 6 years maybe more haha, and I’ve always added those effects in post production because couldn’t decide which filter to buy since there are expensive. This video will definitely help me chose and take the plunge :) Edit: I also love using my fog machine to create a smoky ambiance in my sets, but since I make 30min long shots, it’s not consistent as time passes and grading is sometimes tricky, those filters will definitely solve that.
Thanks for the hint, I had no idea that such filters exist, very few shops carry them - and I like the effects! Will definitely try them one day for both photos and videos.
Wow thank you for this. Never new a smoke filter was a thing. Looks just like atmosphere spray was added to the room! Also that triangle diagram is pretty cool. I’d hang that on a wall 🙌🏻
This is amazing! I use a Cinebloom and DreamFX but was curious about glimmerglass, and now finding out about this smoque filter I might just need to pick it up as well.
I'm going to be honest. Seeing you test gear out at your desk does nothing for me. It'll be great to see how this these filters interact on a real video shoot. Is there a way you can do spec ads or something as you review products? It's just important to see how things work in different situations
Yoo, are you from Rockford, Illinois?! Thats my hometown! I'm working in Chicago but thats awesome if you're a fellow filmmaker repping the 815! Small world!
Is it not possible to create those effects in SW (Premiere Pro)? If so what would be the pro's and con's. I'd think that it gives you more versatility if you can do it in post en perhaps also cheaper than buying one or more expensive filters (depending on the lens diameter). I do like the effect of the combined filters as it gives a kind of 80ties vibe to the desk image.
@@marcinmrzyglocki And the con would be that if your artistic vision changes at any point, later today or in five years, then tough luck - you're stuck with that effect forever.
@@Lishtenbird this is still a viable choice - just like we can't change our memories, we might consider the photography to be a final record of work done with light, not an unfinished, raw source for further work.
I refer to that triangle chart whenever I want to buy a diffusion filter. I hate the pro-most 1/4 that I have. I think I want the black Satin, but 82mm is always outta stock. I noticed Tiffen sells them directly from their site since years ago.
Beautiful. If you dont mind me saying, @ 3:00 when you insert comparison clips, could you please sync them so your hand is moving in unison, because otherwise, its chaotic, confusing and too much information
It's probably because of my monitors but I don't see much of a difference between the lenses when comparing them on clips of yourself. I think using more outdoor shots instead of yourself would help, just because I noticed a difference with the room shots a lot more than when you were using comparison shots of yourself. Could be time to get better monitors as well though lol!
Do you think there is any use to these filters when we have the option to handle all of this in post with Scatter by Video Village? Why would we want to bake something in when we could have the option to view all possible filter looks after the fact? Unless you have to hand off your footage to someone else or are on a tight schedule. Here is a great break down- ruclips.net/video/QI7lRfDMA7k/видео.html
hah i thought this was a Blender tutorial based on the thumbnail and my interests, that being said - can't you diy this with an old filter/glass and some spray glue and lightly miss the filter
The real money is if they make them for phone cameras. If they, or anyone else reading this, don't beat me to this free idea, this will be a game changer 😂
This is interesting on an artistic level. Modern lenses are so clean/clinical that people are adding character to them. Stuff that is just part of the inherent character of many vintage lenses.
I most use only a VND filter for the kind of video that I make, but my doubt is: how do i add two filters on the same lens? Do they must have the same diameter or does one need to be bigger or smaller than the second one?
as long as your filters also have a thread on the front (my gobe vnd has one while the k&f doesn't) there should be no Problem - the size must be the same tho so for example 70mm on 70mm
Shhh… don’t tell people about the Black Satin-let it be our secret weapon 😉 Kidding of course, but it’s definitely my favorite diffusion filter of all time.
but we can get the same thing on post. duplicate the layer, add a strong Gaussian blur for the higher one, change the blend mode to Lighten and decrease opacity. that's all. absolutely the same effect
Hey Caleb, great comparison video! I have a special request for you: recreate these diffusion filter effect within Premiere or Resolve to compare a lens filter vs color grading work. I'm sure you can recreate the Smoque filter effect by just raising the blacks and adding a bit of halation. I would be very curious to see the difference. Cheers!
The DP of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel carries smoque filters in case they don’t have time to haze a room or for matching a hazed set on a reshoot
Love it! Haze is awesome but man is this easy!
That’s fascinating. Was that from an interview? Could you please post link, would love to hear / watch / read about that. Thanks sir
That show always looks incredible. I’d love to see a breakdown
@@dslrvideoshooterjust a heads up, some Tiffen filters like the Black Satin have grids of bokeh artifacts that can make certain shots unusable, since they show up so prominently in bokeh orbs. Just had it ruin some client shots I did since I wasn’t aware of that issue. I called tiffen and they were like “yeah we know, other people have complained too”…
I love that you shouted out some other channels to check out. Nice work on this video Caleb!
I really love the glimmer glass as well, now I'm kind tempted to buy the smoque filter, but I don't need it.
I understand that it is a simplification, but in the end we are going towards a loss of definition after looking for absolute definition... it is almost absurd or nonsense, a bit like filming a VHS video in 4K. many of the effects in this video you can get with old ruined UV filters or blurry vintage lenses that you can find used for 10 dollars.
Thumbnail looks like a Blender render 🤭
Totally 😂, I even thought it was a blender tutorial until I check the channel name
Nice filters. I would love to see a video showing the differences between lens filters and post effects and the reasons why some effects can’t be done in post as well as a lens filter.
agree 100%
Yes!!! The way light shoots through real haze is impossible to replicate. But would love to see a side by side.
Would like to see that too!
@@jessecumberledge4530 Haze is - again- something different entirely (if you're talking about pumping haze into a set). Haze, optical diffusion and "digital" diffusion are all a bit different...
I can’t be the only one who isn’t a fan of Black ProMist filters. I get when they’re used with a purpose, but way too many people here on RUclips use them 24/7 and never take them off their lenses.
When I see videos with very low contrast and extreme highlight blooming I can tell right away they just slapped on a BPM filter because everyone else is doing it
This Smoque filter is quite interesting though and if used purposefully I think you can get amazing footage with it
Agreed. Glimmer glass is much better. I see a lot using 1/4 to 1/2 BPM filters, it's too much, but like a lot of newbs the tendency is always to go heavy handed.
@@myvideoguythey are supposed to be matched to the lens size.
Agreed, specially when you can add the effect in post ...
@@kozykev Which effect? Haze? :)
I have the Glimmerglass 1 and often film outdoors, let me tell you, the halation and the way it softens the harsh digital frame are worth every penny. It makes my footage look dreamlike and totally different to anything else out there. So much more to it than any software effect you can use.
What do you think about GG 1/2? On videos looks like it is twice less powerful than 1 and much less powerful than BPM 1/8. I consider GG 1 or GG 1/2 just for having really subtle halation. I'm just afraid 1/2 can be twin image to no filter because so far Glimmerglass line is the most subtle in Tiffen.
Love my Glimmerglass! It doesn't get nearly enough attention compared to the black pro mist film-bro hype train
Glimmerglass is like Black Pro-Mist without the cringe and because it's rare, it looks unique
Thank you for the comparison.
GxAce, Casey, might be the most creative filmmaking and photography channel I know. All his content is way up there. Strongly suggest his channel. Every video is almost like a sci-fi movie (blade runner and such), great content.
Thank you so much for giving me a shout out at 8:08
Been watching your stuff for ages and never thought I would one day appear in one of your videos :)
I’ve used this for years and never thought to make a video about it smh 🤦♂️ Fantastic video Caleb!
Ahhh thanks for this video man! I've been trying to figure out which filter to get, so thanks for getting these filters to test out!
No sweat bro!
Why do your videos have so much bg gradient steps? Is it your encoding vs. RUclips? It seems worse than others. Thanks!
What's good about the filter is - you may no longer need to get a vintage lens, as you can get a pretty much the same look with putting a filter on top of a modern lens. They way I see it.
I want to view the videos mentioned in this video but don't see the links in the description at all, just affiliate links and product links. Were they removed?
I loooooove your studio and that little table with the Macintosh on it!!! It almost looks like a CG or a toy scene and the lighting is really great. Could come directly from a Pixar movie or something. Really great work.
Objectively speaking, what is the advantage of doing this on camera rather than in post?
I wonder what my problems would be if I try to do this in post with Davinci?
ngl when i first saw that footage, its kinda look like HLG color profile
If a filter’s main selling point is lowering contrast, I’d be tempted to just do that in post, but I suppose it could be helpful for high dynamic range scenarios
Agree. I'm here for all the yummy light artifacts though.
They also effect light sources by adding a bloom effect and can have a nice softening effect on skin which can be flattering on older subjects or female subjects
I have an older repeat client who wouldn't like the look of the image when it was too sharp, pop on a Hollywood Black magic filter and they love it
Thank you for indoctrinating and converting me to the Smoque. I’ve been loving it
Thanks Bro! So glad you're digging it!
Glimmerglass and the new Lucid Dream FX filter from PrismFX are S-Tier!
Somebody Stop Me! Caleb Pike is Smoqqqqueeeinng with another video! Thanks, amazing video, as always
Thanks James!
Прошло 30 секунд, а я уже хочу купить этот фильтр))
ну и зря. такого же эффекта можно добиться и на посте. дублируй слой, добавь сильное размытие по Гауссу для верхнего слоя, поменяй режим наложения на Замену светлым и уменьши непрозрачность. всё. абсолютно такой же эффект
@gxace got the shoutout!!!!!! 🐐 btw This is an amazing video, thank you!!!! Ordering a Smoque now (with the affiliate link of course!!)
Just noticed your shirt!! I’m from Rockford #815
I actually taught u made that in blender
I love watching GxAce
I find stacking filters in different orders makes a difference too, have you experimented with that?
I tried that but really didn't notice a huge difference if any.
Ouch... the RUclips compression on this video really hurts. You need to add some grain to the final video so you don't get all that distracting banding. Also, how does using this filter compare to just applying a negative dehazing in post?
i was gonna say it looks exactly like you're just applying negative dehazing
I love shooting with filters but I always get nervous about having the look baked in. Most of the time I'll shoot the sequence twice, one with and one without...just because I know I'll kick myself later if I don't.
I have a question Caleb. I use SLR Magic microprimes which are already a bit flare-ry, not very sharp and they don't have much contrast as well almost like a vintage lens. Now I use them as my own signature look for how they render these characteristics. I'm willing to get the Glimmerglass but is it worth it or will it be overkill?
Maybe try a glimmerglass 1/2?
Amazing video as always, and was actually just starting to go down the diffusion filter rabbit hole (Tiffen, Moment, Urth, etc.). Was also happy to see the shoutouts at the end of the video. Such a simple gesture, but genuinely something that can make a huge difference for smaller creators!
Would you say that these effects are also achievable within your editing software? Is there much of difference in the final look? (Besides obvious workflow differences)
I would hope so as those little guys are expensive. I haven't tried it, but I already know you can get those glow effects. You might be able to take a solid color maybe an off-white and blend it over the image to give it that milky smoke. I need to try it.
Thanks for this extremely useful video!
I’ve been following your channel for 5 or 6 years maybe more haha, and I’ve always added those effects in post production because couldn’t decide which filter to buy since there are expensive. This video will definitely help me chose and take the plunge :)
Edit: I also love using my fog machine to create a smoky ambiance in my sets, but since I make 30min long shots, it’s not consistent as time passes and grading is sometimes tricky, those filters will definitely solve that.
Love that you did a shout out to small channels! Respect that!
Thanks for the hint, I had no idea that such filters exist, very few shops carry them - and I like the effects! Will definitely try them one day for both photos and videos.
These look super interesting. Thanks for sharing the deets 😜👍🏽
Thank you man! Always good to see sir camera junkie!
Wow thank you for this. Never new a smoke filter was a thing. Looks just like atmosphere spray was added to the room! Also that triangle diagram is pretty cool. I’d hang that on a wall 🙌🏻
This is amazing! I use a Cinebloom and DreamFX but was curious about glimmerglass, and now finding out about this smoque filter I might just need to pick it up as well.
Great video.
Great video. Id been considering a pro-mist but now feel like smoque is more my taste.
Also, what lens is that on the a6400??
What order would you stack the GG and the Smoque? Which one goes on first?
I'm going to be honest. Seeing you test gear out at your desk does nothing for me. It'll be great to see how this these filters interact on a real video shoot. Is there a way you can do spec ads or something as you review products? It's just important to see how things work in different situations
Tiffens Different Diffusions Filters...dude, thats what we call a Zungenbrecher in Germany 😂🔥
Can I ask you who you would recommend for gear insurance? Paul.
Yoo, are you from Rockford, Illinois?! Thats my hometown! I'm working in Chicago but thats awesome if you're a fellow filmmaker repping the 815! Small world!
Is it not possible to create those effects in SW (Premiere Pro)? If so what would be the pro's and con's. I'd think that it gives you more versatility if you can do it in post en perhaps also cheaper than buying one or more expensive filters (depending on the lens diameter). I do like the effect of the combined filters as it gives a kind of 80ties vibe to the desk image.
A big pro would be that you could create effects SOOC, like in analog times, focusing on making content instead of editing it.
@@marcinmrzyglocki And the con would be that if your artistic vision changes at any point, later today or in five years, then tough luck - you're stuck with that effect forever.
@@Lishtenbird this is still a viable choice - just like we can't change our memories, we might consider the photography to be a final record of work done with light, not an unfinished, raw source for further work.
How did you stack the screw-on filters?
Just throw them on!
They are also front-threaded.
Oh fuck I’m gonna need to buy this EXPEDITIOUSLY
I refer to that triangle chart whenever I want to buy a diffusion filter. I hate the pro-most 1/4 that I have. I think I want the black Satin, but 82mm is always outta stock. I noticed Tiffen sells them directly from their site since years ago.
2:30 - why is a filter called “ultra contrast“ all the way in the corner for decreased contrast?
works great except when you need volumetric lighting
And producents just could make cheaper, less sharp lenses.
So just basically drop the contrast and sharpness, then add some glow?
Cool, I'll make a LUT
The Smoque 2 + GG combo is my favourite. To me the Black Pro Mist is kind of overrated.
I got lucky and chose the 77mm and amazon kept the price at $69 into checkout without updating lol.
Hahaha what in the world they're up to hundreds of dollars
R:I:P for sigma 24-70 82 mm diameter users, its more than double the price for 50ish mm
I dropped my lens in a swamp and got a similar effect. My is easier. 10/10 would recommend.
Beautiful.
If you dont mind me saying, @ 3:00 when you insert comparison clips, could you please sync them so your hand is moving in unison, because otherwise, its chaotic, confusing and too much information
nice video ! Im a photographer and also collect and use vintage computers) So nice classic mac you have here ...
Bro, I really love filters and this video is super interesting for me, but all I can see here is banding, banding everywhere.
It's probably because of my monitors but I don't see much of a difference between the lenses when comparing them on clips of yourself. I think using more outdoor shots instead of yourself would help, just because I noticed a difference with the room shots a lot more than when you were using comparison shots of yourself. Could be time to get better monitors as well though lol!
what lens do you have in your sony camera? i mean the one in the table
Or just buy a cheap smoke machine ❤
You will probably get a more organic, sweeter result with a vintage lens than using all these gimmicks.
dang - the thumbnail and first impressions looked like a 3d render ^^
Wait. Can't this be done in post? Not sure I would want this look baked into my footage but I'm sure it works for some.
That Smoque filter strait up made your phone light look like a Lumos spell
you have light smoker, heavy smoker and cancer edition for your cinema needs
Do you think there is any use to these filters when we have the option to handle all of this in post with Scatter by Video Village? Why would we want to bake something in when we could have the option to view all possible filter looks after the fact? Unless you have to hand off your footage to someone else or are on a tight schedule. Here is a great break down- ruclips.net/video/QI7lRfDMA7k/видео.html
Hoya Black Mist filter, same thing.
BPM looks like hot garbage on just about anything GG is the way.
hah i thought this was a Blender tutorial based on the thumbnail and my interests,
that being said - can't you diy this with an old filter/glass and some spray glue and lightly miss the filter
The real money is if they make them for phone cameras.
If they, or anyone else reading this, don't beat me to this free idea, this will be a game changer 😂
Yes I want a filter that makes my shots look like they were taken on a shitty 480p webcam
Great content, as always. Thanks for this really helpful comparison. Have a great day!
crazy colour banding in this video, why is this
Cool video! What is that lens that you have on A6400?
This is interesting on an artistic level. Modern lenses are so clean/clinical that people are adding character to them. Stuff that is just part of the inherent character of many vintage lenses.
dude I think this video is the reason they have been out of stock for several weeks haha :)
I most use only a VND filter for the kind of video that I make, but my doubt is: how do i add two filters on the same lens? Do they must have the same diameter or does one need to be bigger or smaller than the second one?
as long as your filters also have a thread on the front (my gobe vnd has one while the k&f doesn't) there should be no Problem - the size must be the same tho so for example 70mm on 70mm
tbh, I think they all make the image look worse.
Well now I wanna get this and see what it mixes like with my Black Satin, which I like a LOT. *shakes hands at the sky*
Shhh… don’t tell people about the Black Satin-let it be our secret weapon 😉
Kidding of course, but it’s definitely my favorite diffusion filter of all time.
@@gitpho hah! Good point - hidden secrets for sure!
What cage is that on the A6400?
can this be used in photography too?
What lens are you using for these tests?
More on this later...
@@dslrvideoshooter how much later?
I'm confused about smoque's purpose . Can't I just reduce the contrast in post?
It actually has more of like a fog like effect, I think just contrast reducing is a bit inaccurate
This vs hairspray on uv filter?
I've got the BPM 1/8, SMOQUE 1 + 2, aaaaand I love them 😂
I use 1/8 BPM all the time and want to get me a Smoque as well - would you rather recommend the 1 or 2?
Thanku U amazing review
but we can get the same thing on post. duplicate the layer, add a strong Gaussian blur for the higher one, change the blend mode to Lighten and decrease opacity. that's all. absolutely the same effect
Who's looking all slimity-slim?
Hey Caleb, great comparison video! I have a special request for you: recreate these diffusion filter effect within Premiere or Resolve to compare a lens filter vs color grading work. I'm sure you can recreate the Smoque filter effect by just raising the blacks and adding a bit of halation. I would be very curious to see the difference.
Cheers!
Now I see where Jason got the idea!
should I buy?
Do you need?
@@dslrvideoshooter less of a need then i really wanna get more cinematic shots lol
You should do a test of 90s filters
Or just adjust your curves output