Jin the one with the sunglasses was the one to start with the hearts. he started this during the wings tour last year.he called it the heart event.he would find creative ways to make and hide hearts and when they did their speeches he would reveal them. like hiding a heart in his mic,making a heart out of a wire hanger and hiding it under his shirt.he did it every show and the other members never knew what to expect.the hearts were an event for the army to show his love and appreciation.
I just really wanted to point it out it might seem like a fun song but actually it is a sarcastic song that is mocking the concept of youngsters who like spending money unnecessarily
Though it's two-part. It's ALSO sarcastically pointing out the societal conditions that lead young people to be so worried and spend all their money on cheap things for stress relief
AN98 not exactly.. At least that's what bts said in an interview...that it was sarcastic song.. They don't encourage people to waste their money(remember spine breaker) .. That's why their lyrics, tone of their voice as well their clothes imply that
That is part of it. They are saying "Look at how shit the economy and society has become that this youngsters would rather spend their money for momentary happiness".
Man there is just SO MUCH content from BTS that you guys are going to love in their MVs, live performances, etc. I can't wait until you get to it. I also love how you guys are just diving head first into K-Pop in general. There are so many artists out there I can't wait to see you react to them too. lol Welcome to the addiction! I subbed today because you guys are awesome.
Kitty Hazlett thank you for becoming a knight at the RoundTable, truly appreciate the sub and we’re definitely going to be doing a lot more BTS and Kpop artists 🤘🏽 what’s one of the main videos you want us to do?
I have a couple, actually. 1) The live performance of Cypher 4 + MIC DROP from the MNet Asian Music Awards had us all shook. ruclips.net/video/nVHcXZK7pKs/видео.html 2)The live performance of Tomorrow from BTS Countdown. Make sure you grab lyrics after the fact because the song talks about some real stuff. Written by Suga (aka Agust D) ruclips.net/video/aAs-yKYK27A/видео.html 3) Since you have reacted to Suga's solo stuff (Agust D), you should also check out RM's mixtape tracks. Joke is going to kill you guys, you are not ready for his flow at all. ruclips.net/video/TfenCTabhDY/видео.html As a side note, I would love to see you guys react to pretty much anything from B.A.P. or Monsta X. Have fun!
Yes, BTS have stylists, but they still have a say in their stage outfits. All of the boys have their unique styles. You also mentioned the way they shoot these live performances is like music videos and you are absolutely right. Korean music shows have some of the best camera work for live performances. It is an important part of the K-Pop overall appeal. The guys (BTS) actually mentioned how much the American Music Awards cameramen and producers had trouble following their dance performance, so they had to have 8 camera rehearsals to get it right.
I've watched almost every video you guys have uploaded, and yet here I am...grinning at my laptop like a total idiot. I'm sure the wine had nothing to do with it...
I understand what you’re saying. There have been times when I’ve been frustrated either because the video was too loud to make out their comments, or times when I’ve wished they listened more and saved talk for after. But...1. I’ve noticed a better balance in sound in recent videos, and 2. They’re being what they want with their channel. I’ve enjoyed enough over all that it’s been worth sticking around to watch their growth in knowledge of our boys. Not every channel is for everyone. There are some I’ve moved on from myself. If you do decide to stick around, I hope you’ll find things you do like. If not, no one will wish you anything but the best. I love ARMY for that. Outside of a few ‘crazies’ (unavoidable), this fandom is generally polite and supportive. I wish you peace.
‘ Wine makes everything two times better’ ... only if it’s good wine. ;-) FIVE times better is Korean soju, but that didn’t go with my dinner at the moment. Next time I’ll make something searingly spicy (maybe bulgogi meatballs?) and it will be perfect. “Gunbae!
can we all just take a moment to thank RT TV for their time to react to our kpop recommendations? Y'all are lit as, one of my favourite reaction boys 💞💞 hope y'all are doing good and THANK YOU! 💘
my DUDESSSS there’s so many BTS content you need to see! so many music videos, perfomances, etc! you won’t be disappointed EVERY thing bts releases they put all their blood sweat and tears to it. You guys have to keep reacting to them!!!!
The GoGo Heart performance is one of my favorites because they show their love for their fans. Here's a really early performance when they were on the red bullet tour and the energy from their fans is amazing. You can see how exhausted they are but they keep going.... [BTS] #JUMP & ATTACK ON BANGTAN#
You know when BTS are doing there jobs well when grown adults are turned into 18 year old boys....lol Love the reaction and the hype, definitely suited the music video...
BTS could act funny and sill while dancing but they still slayed the stage! we are very happy and thankful that our boys always finds a way to show and express their love and gratitude to us ARMYs! BTS is the best! there's nothing like BTS!
Alsooooo after seeing how much you guys loved the cyphers and Suga's (aka Agust D) solo MV, you guys should check out RM's mixtape music vids (Do You and Joke). Also also J-hope has a mixtape coming out on Friday so there is just so much. lol Have fun!
can I say how natural they are? just knew this channel yesterday and I kept on watching their bts reactions because bruh they're the realest. MORE POWER!!!
React to more BTS LIVE !!! seriously I've never seen a group before so naturally and have some much fun ...like you watch the MVS and think "how could they do this live " and then they kill it every time .
I'm so happy you said something about their live stage performance and how they are shot so well, and that you can see the dance and the performance in all. In America, its really sloppy and most of the time it is not synced. You should honestly compare BTS DNA AMA performance to BTS DNA Comeback Show. It truly is like Night & Day... not to say night & day is good or bad, but the US live camera work is totally shit compared to Korean camera work. and... if you reacted to them, i wouldn't be mad either lol ⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔ Great reaction guys.
I swear....I cam here because of BTS but stayed and subscribed because of you guys. This reaction was sooo crazy and I just loved how crazy you guys went. Hahahaha had a big smile on my face throughout the video
While I love GoGo because it's really fucking catchy, I really appreciate the message that they were tryna convey. Also, you guys are super lit for them reactions!
hahaha you guys are great, Thank you that you support BTS Go Go has deep meaning!! You should watch with eng sub!!! Go go has sarcastic song for young people, who spent so much money one day, for only for party. They are judging that rich kids Suga talked about that, he saw many young people , celebrities, who spent money for one evening, that Suga worked for many months!!!!
This is song that you just need to have fun listening to it If a song makes the audience happy then it is a great song . Life isn't so complicated! 😆 This personally made me really happy and it's for us ARMY! ARMY ♡BTS FOREVER 😗😙😍😘😆😉😁😀🤣😂
Fun-Fact: The literal translation of the title means “Rather than worrying, Go”. BTS lyrics are actually more satire and pretty sad when you get the meaning. It contrasts with the 'happy' sound, and trending dance moves (+heart-event in this vid). Youth and young adults in Korea live by a ''YOLO'' mentally when it comes to spending money... because of the unfair paychecks (no matter how much overtime you make), 'passion pays' (in where you get 'paid' by work experience instead of actual money) and their high student debts. Saving up in order to build your future (get a house, get married and raise kids) is just too expensive to even think about. So, better spend it all like there is no tomorrow, and have a bit of bittersweet enjoyment, because actually no matter how hard you work to earn money... the future is too depressing anyways. RM talked about this, how his non-celebrity friends say they lack hope nowadays. A sentiment for most youth. Also referred to “given up on 5” generation - relationships, marriage, kids, house and social life. (Cue: high suicide rates, and mental health issues, which are being downplayed and stigmatized often). On top of that the 'older/privileged' generation is scolding this modern generation for not trying hard enough, and urge them to 'work more!' Despite the fact that it's a different kind of environment they have to deal with right now compared to the 'golden' past. While the Storks/Silver spoon 'upperclass' want to maintain this impossible and unfair system, to retain power and status in society. BTS bring these social-political issues out. And are the voice of young people, those who want change. Living up to the meaning of their own name, they want to take their stance on things that need to be said. That's one of the main reasons BTS fans/ARMY and the general public of Korea respect and like the boys. They have a message, and are witty with it. Kpop idols, don't do these type things, because it could create controversy and endanger their own career. So it's incredible that BTS and Big Hit entertainment took this road, and always shared their own stories and those of others who are suffering silently. BTS Songs like 'Baepsae/Crow Tit/Silver Spoon', 'Am I Wrong', even in 'Dope', 'Fire' and 'Not Today' as well talk about this stuff. Hype songs, with strong messages. Please react to BTS - 'Baepsae' Dance practice: ruclips.net/video/V1i_x2_TGE0/видео.html This link is with the lyrics english translations, but the vid is kinda shaky too watch, so you could read the lyrics meaning first and then watch maybe? (ruclips.net/video/bPM7uIuB2Gs/видео.html) In-dept lyrics meaning of 'Go Go' and 'Baepsae' here: muish.wordpress.com/2017/09/19/bts-go-go-english-translation-and-ramblings/, muish.wordpress.com/2015/12/06/bts-baepsae-english-translation-ramblings/) Sorry, it looks like an essay... and sorry, my english isn't the best. But yeah, wasn't sure if you guys knew about this side of BTS. Peace!
Jin the one with the sunglasses was the one to start with the hearts. he started this during the wings tour last year.he called it the heart event.he would find creative ways to make and hide hearts and when they did their speeches he would reveal them. like hiding a heart in his mic,making a heart out of a wire hanger and hiding it under his shirt.he did it every show and the other members never knew what to expect.the hearts were an event for the army to show his love and appreciation.
kpoca91
I love him :'D. He's so cutee!!
Leena .k me too he's my bias
Fan Fact: MBC had to ASK Jin for rights of "heart event". Apparently he has copyrights on such things xD
Our future CEO ^_^
Lightefilit Faylin haha who knew but he does say he loves money a lot so not totally surprising.
I love my bias
I just really wanted to point it out it might seem like a fun song but actually it is a sarcastic song that is mocking the concept of youngsters who like spending money unnecessarily
Though it's two-part. It's ALSO sarcastically pointing out the societal conditions that lead young people to be so worried and spend all their money on cheap things for stress relief
Its like the second part of Spine breaker
Brittany
Correct.
AN98 not exactly.. At least that's what bts said in an interview...that it was sarcastic song.. They don't encourage people to waste their money(remember spine breaker) .. That's why their lyrics, tone of their voice as well their clothes imply that
That is part of it. They are saying "Look at how shit the economy and society has become that this youngsters would rather spend their money for momentary happiness".
Y'all a littt squad
Vertios 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Man there is just SO MUCH content from BTS that you guys are going to love in their MVs, live performances, etc. I can't wait until you get to it. I also love how you guys are just diving head first into K-Pop in general. There are so many artists out there I can't wait to see you react to them too. lol
Welcome to the addiction! I subbed today because you guys are awesome.
Kitty Hazlett thank you for becoming a knight at the RoundTable, truly appreciate the sub and we’re definitely going to be doing a lot more BTS and Kpop artists 🤘🏽 what’s one of the main videos you want us to do?
RT TV ⚔️⚔️ Block B vs BTS rap/dance battle. Here is the link ruclips.net/video/fnjQB4xpYG8/видео.html
You are welcome 😉⚔️⚔️
I have a couple, actually.
1) The live performance of Cypher 4 + MIC DROP from the MNet Asian Music Awards had us all shook.
ruclips.net/video/nVHcXZK7pKs/видео.html
2)The live performance of Tomorrow from BTS Countdown. Make sure you grab lyrics after the fact because the song talks about some real stuff. Written by Suga (aka Agust D) ruclips.net/video/aAs-yKYK27A/видео.html
3) Since you have reacted to Suga's solo stuff (Agust D), you should also check out RM's mixtape tracks. Joke is going to kill you guys, you are not ready for his flow at all. ruclips.net/video/TfenCTabhDY/видео.html
As a side note, I would love to see you guys react to pretty much anything from B.A.P. or Monsta X.
Have fun!
react to bts butterfly live
ruclips.net/video/qX8OXHyB37U/видео.html
Please react to BTS MAMA 2017 performance! Thank you 😊
Yes, BTS have stylists, but they still have a say in their stage outfits. All of the boys have their unique styles. You also mentioned the way they shoot these live performances is like music videos and you are absolutely right. Korean music shows have some of the best camera work for live performances. It is an important part of the K-Pop overall appeal. The guys (BTS) actually mentioned how much the American Music Awards cameramen and producers had trouble following their dance performance, so they had to have 8 camera rehearsals to get it right.
love these dudes, love their reactions!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
bee bee thank you thank you ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
THIS WAS SO LIT TO WATCH LMAO
I've watched almost every video you guys have uploaded, and yet here I am...grinning at my laptop like a total idiot. I'm sure the wine had nothing to do with it...
SarahKpopUSA wine makes everything two times better 😂🤘🏽 but thank you for continuously watching us 🙌🏽
SarahKpopUSA i hate rt tv because there so noisy i can not hear the song.
I understand what you’re saying. There have been times when I’ve been frustrated either because the video was too loud to make out their comments, or times when I’ve wished they listened more and saved talk for after. But...1. I’ve noticed a better balance in sound in recent videos, and 2. They’re being what they want with their channel. I’ve enjoyed enough over all that it’s been worth sticking around to watch their growth in knowledge of our boys. Not every channel is for everyone. There are some I’ve moved on from myself. If you do decide to stick around, I hope you’ll find things you do like. If not, no one will wish you anything but the best. I love ARMY for that. Outside of a few ‘crazies’ (unavoidable), this fandom is generally polite and supportive. I wish you peace.
‘ Wine makes everything two times better’ ... only if it’s good wine. ;-) FIVE times better is Korean soju, but that didn’t go with my dinner at the moment. Next time I’ll make something searingly spicy (maybe bulgogi meatballs?) and it will be perfect. “Gunbae!
Since you guys enjoyed this so much, you would really love the MIC Drop performance on the comeback stage!
You guys are so liiiiitttttt. 🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏👏
can we all just take a moment to thank RT TV for their time to react to our kpop recommendations? Y'all are lit as, one of my favourite reaction boys 💞💞 hope y'all are doing good and THANK YOU! 💘
kakachi uchitake 🖕
also east asia (korea and japan) have some of the biggest fashion industries so korean and japanese style in general is super dope.
best reaction ever i'm a fan for y'all
NICE REACTION
my DUDESSSS there’s so many BTS content you need to see! so many music videos, perfomances, etc! you won’t be disappointed EVERY thing bts releases they put all their blood sweat and tears to it. You guys have to keep reacting to them!!!!
U r the real army haha 😂
Yess oh my God I love the performances for this song the choreography is just amazing. (Not being sarcastic I actually love it)
Did you watch mic drop remix mama 2017? It was so lit. BTS is known as king of performance. They can do cute and turn to hot in split of second.
BTS GO GO
The GoGo Heart performance is one of my favorites because they show their love for their fans. Here's a really early performance when they were on the red bullet tour and the energy from their fans is amazing. You can see how exhausted they are but they keep going....
[BTS] #JUMP & ATTACK ON BANGTAN#
My BTS😍😍😍💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
You know when BTS are doing there jobs well when grown adults are turned into 18 year old boys....lol Love the reaction and the hype, definitely suited the music video...
God... Give me friends like them!
I love your reaction 😁😁😁
⚔️⚔️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Y’all be making my day!
Chewsindra Siparella it makes our day hearing we made your day 🙌🏽
Omg... you all so funny 😂
Mar'atul Afifah 😂😂 thanks for watching
This probably my 3rd times watching and never tired of watching they reaction to the video especially the short guy 🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏👏
THIS is by FAR the BEST reaction I've seen. DIS HOW MY PEOPLE DO IT FOR REAL when its good. Thanks guys!
y'all were so lit i loved your reactions lmaoo had me dying the whole time
BTS could act funny and sill while dancing but they still slayed the stage! we are very happy and thankful that our boys always finds a way to show and express their love and gratitude to us ARMYs! BTS is the best! there's nothing like BTS!
I just love this performance 😍.. nice reaction btw
Alsooooo after seeing how much you guys loved the cyphers and Suga's (aka Agust D) solo MV, you guys should check out RM's mixtape music vids (Do You and Joke). Also also J-hope has a mixtape coming out on Friday so there is just so much. lol
Have fun!
can I say how natural they are? just knew this channel yesterday and I kept on watching their bts reactions because bruh they're the realest. MORE POWER!!!
i don't know where to start to watch!!! YOU GUYS ARE SO HYPE OML
One of the best reactions ever! You guys are truly awesome!
Bts is the BEST KOREAN GROUP They're Worldwide for A reason 😊❤
i really luv yall reactions. it seems so natural i can't
Thank you so much guys . .I had fun watching your reaction! . .
"You nice, keep going!"
This is your best reaction for me! I enjoyed every bit of your reaction guys. 😆
React to more BTS LIVE !!! seriously I've never seen a group before so naturally and have some much fun ...like you watch the MVS and think "how could they do this live " and then they kill it every time .
''they are so fine bro"
GOD daMN yES THEY aRE
I love how you guys were turning up to it and literally being the best fanboys ever hahaha it was good to see you guys happy
I'm so happy you said something about their live stage performance and how they are shot so well, and that you can see the dance and the performance in all. In America, its really sloppy and most of the time it is not synced. You should honestly compare BTS DNA AMA performance to BTS DNA Comeback Show. It truly is like Night & Day... not to say night & day is good or bad, but the US live camera work is totally shit compared to Korean camera work.
and... if you reacted to them, i wouldn't be mad either lol
⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔⚔ Great reaction guys.
I love how yalls grown ass men and loving kpop like,, mood for the rest of my life
All you guys are so cute !!!! I love to see you guys enjoying the music.
I love how whipped these guys are.
Every live performance of 'GO GO' the outfits are so different and colorful
I just love how hyped y'all were throughout the whole video lmao, got me all hyped just watching y'all
I LOVE HOW YOU GUYS REACT AND IT MAKES ME SO HAPPY YALL GENUINELY LIKE THEM. Look at my boys receiving the love they deserve. Where my army gang aaatt
Where my money yeahh💸
Yeah thats ma boi BTS😍🔥
I knew you'd like this song, but was pleasantly surprised by how much you'd get into it! Made my sick day better! 🙂
Salve do Brasil💚💛💙😍
i really enjoyed this particular reaction from you guys, felt like i was with you guys laughing my ass off
Korean TV is no joke, man. They always have reherseal to make sure camera shoot perfect person at perfect time.
I swear....I cam here because of BTS but stayed and subscribed because of you guys. This reaction was sooo crazy and I just loved how crazy you guys went. Hahahaha had a big smile on my face throughout the video
my new jams is yours reactions
you guys had so much fun with it 😂😂😂 so awesome to watch!
I love the energy guys!!! LOVE IT!
This was the most fun reaction I've seen, it was lit... Loved, loved, Loved it! 🔥❤❤❤❤❤🔥
Omagod love your reactionssss ❤❤ so genuine hope yall react to more BTS
Also I love how fast y’all are with uploading videos it’s great to come on RUclips to new videos every day y’all real for that 😤👏🏽🙇🏽♀️🗣
First video I see of you guy and y’all are my favorite haha I felt like I was actually there having a good time laughing
god blesssss
I love your reaction to bts so much!! U guys are having so much fun! :)
This was so fun to watch :D I love how much energy you guys have.
I love how lit you guys & how ya’ll try to copy their dance moves 😂🙌🏽🙌🏽🔥🔥 Love this reaction!!!
Thanks for reacting to this! So glad you enjoyed it👌🏼👌🏼😂
Wow. I Cant stop smiling from all reactions, you are all so adoable and cutie💜💜💜💜💜💜 lots of love from army💜💜💜
yall are the littest reactors i have ever seen in my life
y'all are lit, this was so much fun to watch.
i love these guys omg HAHAAHAHAHA i deadss laughed when they all shouted at 3:26 lmao please make more live performances reaction, u guys are great ~
While I love GoGo because it's really fucking catchy, I really appreciate the message that they were tryna convey.
Also, you guys are super lit for them reactions!
Love your enthusiasm!!!
RT TV you are perfect!!!
why u so hyped i never saw u guys like this even with Big Bang - BBB 😂
omg I can't believe Suga put that heart on his ass XD This is the first time I'm watching this with you guys , love your reactions!
AMO la reaccion de ustedes chicos...son geniales!!!! GO GO es super...me hacen reir mucho...los quiero...desde Argentina..
같이보니 더 즐겁네요^^♡♡
Yesss bts gogo! :)
Omfg this video is legit a representation of me every time I hear a bts song or see their performance 🤣
You guys surprised me 😂 you look so fun with that.
hahaha you guys are great,
Thank you that you support BTS
Go Go has deep meaning!! You should watch with eng sub!!! Go go has sarcastic song for young people, who spent so much money one day, for only for party. They are judging that rich kids
Suga talked about that, he saw many young people , celebrities, who spent money for one evening, that Suga worked for many months!!!!
U so fun to watch!!!! love ur reactions!
I LOVE YALL SO MUCHHH!!!! YOUR REACTION IS SO PRECIOUS😭😭😭
Im sorry but I cant stop laughing at how they bob their heads together omg so comical
loved this reaction! you could tell you guys really enjoyed
Best reaction of BTS gogo
I love watching ya'll! Too funny. Hearing your thoughts on the videos are great too. 😂 ARMY💪
glad you like it ,it's my favorite performance too 😁
Y'all are LITT I love your videos! I just found your vids so I'm making my way thru
This is song that you just need to have fun listening to it If a song makes the audience happy then it is a great song . Life isn't so complicated! 😆
This personally made me really happy and it's for us ARMY! ARMY ♡BTS FOREVER 😗😙😍😘😆😉😁😀🤣😂
These guys are me during the the preformence, literally freaking out
Fun-Fact: The literal translation of the title means “Rather than worrying, Go”. BTS lyrics are actually more satire and pretty sad when you get the meaning. It contrasts with the 'happy' sound, and trending dance moves (+heart-event in this vid). Youth and young adults in Korea live by a ''YOLO'' mentally when it comes to spending money... because of the unfair paychecks (no matter how much overtime you make), 'passion pays' (in where you get 'paid' by work experience instead of actual money) and their high student debts. Saving up in order to build your future (get a house, get married and raise kids) is just too expensive to even think about. So, better spend it all like there is no tomorrow, and have a bit of bittersweet enjoyment, because actually no matter how hard you work to earn money... the future is too depressing anyways. RM talked about this, how his non-celebrity friends say they lack hope nowadays. A sentiment for most youth. Also referred to “given up on 5” generation - relationships, marriage, kids, house and social life. (Cue: high suicide rates, and mental health issues, which are being downplayed and stigmatized often). On top of that the 'older/privileged' generation is scolding this modern generation for not trying hard enough, and urge them to 'work more!' Despite the fact that it's a different kind of environment they have to deal with right now compared to the 'golden' past. While the Storks/Silver spoon 'upperclass' want to maintain this impossible and unfair system, to retain power and status in society. BTS bring these social-political issues out. And are the voice of young people, those who want change. Living up to the meaning of their own name, they want to take their stance on things that need to be said. That's one of the main reasons BTS fans/ARMY and the general public of Korea respect and like the boys. They have a message, and are witty with it. Kpop idols, don't do these type things, because it could create controversy and endanger their own career. So it's incredible that BTS and Big Hit entertainment took this road, and always shared their own stories and those of others who are suffering silently. BTS Songs like 'Baepsae/Crow Tit/Silver Spoon', 'Am I Wrong', even in 'Dope', 'Fire' and 'Not Today' as well talk about this stuff. Hype songs, with strong messages.
Please react to BTS - 'Baepsae' Dance practice: ruclips.net/video/V1i_x2_TGE0/видео.html This link is with the lyrics english translations, but the vid is kinda shaky too watch, so you could read the lyrics meaning first and then watch maybe? (ruclips.net/video/bPM7uIuB2Gs/видео.html) In-dept lyrics meaning of 'Go Go' and 'Baepsae' here: muish.wordpress.com/2017/09/19/bts-go-go-english-translation-and-ramblings/, muish.wordpress.com/2015/12/06/bts-baepsae-english-translation-ramblings/) Sorry, it looks like an essay... and sorry, my english isn't the best. But yeah, wasn't sure if you guys knew about this side of BTS. Peace!
This was a fun reaction! Loves y'all vibes! Subscribed!
Me encantan sus reacciones gente, me divertí y morí de risa en 3:26 hahaha buena esa 👍 😂
Saludos desde Costa Rica.
aww bts is the sweetest
OH LORD THIS REACTION IS AMAZING LMAO I'M-
A melhor reaction que eu já vi . 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Amei!
I seriously love Patric's laugh 😂😂
And you guys talking up the cups at the end always gets me lmao
I'm so glad I found y'all!!!! I have never laughed so hard 💜💜 your guys reactions are gold