The Richard Lewis Show 198 w/ Carlos Rodriguez
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Still in the first half of the interview, but you deserves all the praise in the world for the amount of empathy you can still show towards Carlos while still having your own, very often polar opposite stance - I'm dead certain that very few people could do that now.
Felt the same, like both of them. Can see both sides
opps, wrong reply...my bad
We getting fired from our own company with this one.
Respect to Carlos for doing this, but man he seems lost
It's one thing to have a sit down and a heart to heart with a mate you're concerned for but it takes massive balls to do what Richard has done and bring the friend on for an interview and extend the olive branch and give them a platform to clraify things while asking hard hitting questions. I can really see now why he is, of course, the CEO of gay. It's those big balls.
Carlos is what people claim Thorin to be.
Still waiting for the next I Hate it Here with Sam Davies
No worries, it'll come out as soon as this one goes out on podbean.
I'm glad you gave Carlos a platform and did this interview with him, but as someone who has defended him online and in private for years I feel stupid having heard him speak. Carlos is not the man I thought I had been defending.
That sounds like a bitter Trump supporter whose parents got deported, grandparents got exiled from Gaza, wife got Medicare removed while having cancer. 😂
I love watching Ocelote in his years in League, but in one of his later interviews/streams, he acted like a cult leader...
That rreally bumped me out...NGL
Probably my favourite piece of work and I've been reading since cod4 times. If I were to describe this conceptually to most people I believe they'd rightly see it as a highwire with a very dangerous thin line to try and walk across. To encourage a friend, to reassure them of your love for them but in an interview that is not shy of probing what has happened then, what happened since and the perception some actions create - some very negative - is not an easy path. The exploration of what might have been done differently in the moment and afterwards and why it wasn't done is just great content. Irrespective of what people conclude, it's a fascinating story and I think the biggest question was why someone savvy enough to play ball simply refused to. That it's possible to do all this with what seems such ease is a testament to the qualities developed over a lifetime & hard-earned trust in this specific friendship. I haven't been inclined to follow Carlos post-G2 but I think this content was important so, when he next comes up in conversation, there will be a better informed opinion available to counterbalance the strong narratives we like to consume from the drama-mill.
The last 15mins are deeply moving. The story is an important counter to assertions of who he might've been all along, thankyou for sharing something so personal. Carlos' response feels like he's basically agreeing in some sense.. he is still that guy. He'd still accept an approach on merit. He would treat everyone fairly and judge them on their actions rather than anything else. I wonder if the choice to present himself in an edgy way is just to filter people, who would judge him on things he doesn't feel are important, out. If the end result is he is still a great guy but only people willing to treat him fairly and judge him by his actual actions can get the wholesome movie moment we all know and love where the seemingly prickly character has a heart of actual gold underneath, maybe that's not a terrible strategy. Maybe he regrets how many of the people he helped before turned on him & doesn't want to waste that time on them in future - fair enough imo.
TL;DR skibidi (golden) toilet out of 10
Richard is really trying to give Carlos some olive branches with his follow ups on some of these earlier questions. However, Carlos seems to want to stick to his guns rather than accept any of the points Richard is making. Seems to me that Carlos is seeing the Tate situation in a similar light as his own, despite the extremely different circumstances. Tate really is a cancer, and some of his beliefs have seemed to rub off on Carlos.
I hope Carlos can see the chains that Tate has put around his neck whilst claiming to be free.
"The best slave is the one who thinks he is free"
I loved G2 under Carlos, and I can't believe what his own fans did to him and his organisation over some bloody tweets. Only 20 minutes in, but this has been a hard interview to listen to thus far.
Yes, the industry larped him out of something great. You make a very good assessment as to why he's so adamant in playing defense for the Tate's and seeing how stubborn he is, I don't think he will ever walk anything back.
I really dont agree with the assessement, i feel that Carlos point is that no matter who it was , he could not apoligize because he believes he did nothing wrong . In this case was the Tate’s, but it could have been Joe Biden. Does not matter
@@goncalocosta9106 That's fair. I've not listened to the whole thing, and without knowing the guy personally it's impossible to know his true intentions.
In my assessment above I was mostly referring to his opinion on how women should dress being strangely misogynistic for a guy who used to help out women so much in the eSports space. I was also referring to how when Richard brings up the allegations against Tate which have damning evidence (including his own words), Carlos seems to just deflect this line of questioning.
I do agree that he is the stubborn type to never seek forgiveness when he doesn't think he has done any wrong, even if it's just a form of appeasement - which isn't a bad trait in a human, but unfortunately isn't a good trait for a CEO (Not that CEO's are generally good people or human (lol)).
The only chains being put around his neck are the ones being rattled by the mob that cancelled him, trying to yank him back into their own black and white reality. There are plenty of criminals like Tate who, by all metrics, did good by some people and those people will bat for said criminals even after their bad deeds are exposed. Also having patriarchal beliefs isn't cancerous and is quite common/widely accepted in most non-westernized societies. Every man is only free to pick his chain in life, don't be angry that his chain is different than yours.
Richard's story about what Carlos did for Maria, and the way he tells it, breaks me every time. If you could bottle pure humanity, gestures like that would fill it.
Absolutely fantastic interview by Richard. This is the level and standard of what I strive to do when I interview people in my job. Absolutely humbling.
Unfortunately there goes the benefit of the doubt. That being said, he's always been real, and that's respectable. Also respect for showing up into what is obviously a difficult conversation.
Good interview, no surprises here really, but great that he's getting out there and giving his side of things as he sees them.
Shame to see Carlos drift down this path. He snapped in half every olive branch Richard extended.
The narrative that “e-sports broke him” only goes so far. This is also part of who Carlos was/is, it just wasn’t as apparent before.
Tough listen, Richard's always a real one.
This is such an impressive interview. We’re lucky to have you Richard.
Bro is so close to understanding the great divide, let's pray for him fully opening his eyes and for peace 🙏
As for the interview it was a masterclass in sensitivity and empathy, a one of a kind interview even if you don't agree with anything. Great work Richard!
‘You can’t tell me I can’t be friends with Sadam Hussein’ 😅 14:49
What a way for this series to come back
One of the most real interviews I've ever heard. If only people with dissenting opinions could be as open to speaking to each other and understanding each other, even if they don't agree.
Richard you are an amazing man. Your interviewing skills kept me truly engaged the whole 2 hours. Thank you for making my work day bearable.
This is sad to watch. I see this in so many men with much potential. He used to be one of my favorite people in esports.
Potential for what though. To be someone you like?
@seansy5247 to achieve. Build something, make a contribution.
Great display of care here - casting a loving light of truth to a lost friend. I hope ocelote can find humility which must be hard because his great, unrelenting success wherever he goes. Though it would surely be his greatest success (and spiritual reward) to humble himself. Excellent person you are Richard
Honestly shout out to Richard Lewis' for being so patient
1:42:56 No way he's not talking about Rekkles here. Thorins story went full circle and I guess this is evidence for it
This is just too rough a watch. I figured there'd be a moment of remorse or regret for the things he's said afterwards but there's just nothing there. Even something as far as alleged human trafficking isn't enough for Carlos to question the path he's choosing to go on. I defended Carlos for the heinous way he was dehumanized but ever since then he has only done things that make those same people who did that to him seem like they were right to do so. It's quite sad.
You were right to defend him, then.
What he’d said and done at that point did not justify the way he was treated. Even if he’s later made himself difficult to defend.
Not finished yet but this is probably one of Richard's best & most interesting interviews. I can't imagine anyone else in the scene being able to handle this so graciously and strike the balance between being empathetic while also pushing back. Sadly I don't think Carlos will ever change because he doesn't seem to recognize that he did anything wrong.
Richard is an expert interviewer for doing this interview the way he did it.
Carlos is the man who got me into Esports. I still support G2 and follow Esports thanks to him. I knew beforehand that he was doing better and I'm glad he still is. There is a few people like him who would double down for something that isn't wrong, and I'm glad he never did.
Great interview. Nice work Mr. Lewis!
unfortunate. Rich def went into this hoping carlos was a good guy and got let down.
Yeah the disappointment on his face became more and more apparent with every one of Carlos's answers
You thinking Carlos isn't a good guy because he isn't bowing down to the mob and is living his life the way he wants to is unfortunate
kind of refreshing to see somebody with these views be nuanced and not just make a clown of themself.
Respect to Richard for stating from the beginning that he is trying to help Carlos. He has said this many times publicly but it's different to say it to a person's face.
Listening to Carlos talk, it makes perfect sense why he'd be friends with the Tate brothers.
I felt this conversation.
Truth
Bro said "hitting the wall" unironically, in the *same* sentence where he accused women of being shallow? sad
edit: he's divorced, didn't know that. makes complete sense. another terminally divorced smirking man
Bro unironically defending wine aunts and cat moms in the same sentence he's mocking a non-apologetic independent man living his best life.
Love the episode, really appreciated the way Richard conducted this interview. Hard listen tho..
Great interview. Even tho the topics were pretty spicy you both managed to keep it leveled and respectful. Class
Did G2 take his mic and computer set-up, goddamn.
I think it's interesting how Carlos describing rising inequality from a Conservative viewpoint actually mirrors what the most honest leftist economists have been shouting about
54:24 Jesus, Rich genuinely looks sad after hearing that
Best skit ESL has ever done
I don't think Carlos is a bad man, certainly not a misogynist or racist. He is a good man who has really lost his way. His arrogance, megalomania and ruminations on some ‘deepstate’ covering up truths and his dead set intention to fight that makes him a trailblazer and legend, but only tied to a monolith or canvas like a G2 to work around. Without that, he does unfortunately come off as deluded, and it’s a shame. The section about him discussing some miracle cures was especially hard to listen to, and its a shame how often great men fall to crankdom. It may be a great fall, but I do hope he can tone it down and recover one day. At the very least I'm glad that he seems to be in a somber place physically and spiritually.
Thanks for your work as always, Richard. I imagine this was one of your toughest interviews to conduct, and it was a masterclass.
The comment about protecting his daughter's innocence comes across as sad. His daughter is an individual who will eventually lose her innocence, like all of us.
Not my woman. My woman won't lose her innocence and it's my duty to keep it that way.
@@CarlosR_ocelote he didnt get it and prob never will. stick by your guns, as at the end of the day you are the only one able to stand up for what you feel is right.
@@CarlosR_ocelote you value your freedom pretty highly but you won't accept your partner wearing whatever she chooses?
@@antipatik0he has the freedom to do that, yes
Richard "Valorant has already won" Lewis with another banger
This interview is painful in many ways, as someone who has lost many friends and family members to ideology. The person you knew/know is there but push a bit and they spew party (either) lines or regurgitated bits of propaganda. Richard did a very difficult and brave thing here, giving Carlos the benefit of the doubt and chance to expand upon and clarify his views, but he just seems broken and lost. And we can only say so much as observers, but it just rings home with many painful conversations I have had where you can tell someone is detached from reality and it hurts.
Oh shit. Good job getting him to come on Rich.
He's actually so far gone ffs, so sad to see
So basicly Carlos wants us to know that he does not care about what we are thinking of him except the fact that he has and can make a lot of money.
I don't think that this interview helped him in any way although you tried, Richard :D
But yeah, guess he doesn't care anyway - and I hope he really means it because dealing with all the criticsm and are being forced to reflect on an ego centric world view can be very hard.
Today I learned that he's everything I want my children not to be :D
Everybody lives according to their own life experiences. Respect to anyone out there that lives true to themselves.
Richard, as always, is a consummate professional. Carlos seems like he's on a rough path.
already know this gon be a banger
i think doubling down on tate situation left a permanent scar on Carlos' mental health.sad to see him like this
Good interview Rich. 👍 Agree or disagree, It's great to hear the real stories from Carlos himself and his honest perspective on it all. Carlos sounds like he's in a good place.
Man this interview makes me so sad, I really have nothing but mad respect for Carlos and G2 as an org and have been a huge fan for the last 11 years since season 2. But it really pains me to see how much he has changed and him not see where he crossed the line. As someone who does fully agree with traditional gender roles in my personal life, the difference is consent. It is everyone in that consenting to it, personally my girlfriend doesnt work, and I am the caretaker because I like providing that for her. But if she *wanted* to I'd never stop her. I fully believe in women having those careers if they want them, I fully believe in their right to bodily autonomy. its respecting whatever choice a women wants to make, and yes you can choose hey thats not for you but never want to stop anyone from making those choices they want. Women should be in the workforce, make what men make, and anyone who preaches an alpha mentality is a fucking child. I dont think society should push women to be submissive, but I do believe more women would want that traditional lifestyle if more men were worth it instead of these overgrown men screaming how women owe them
I knew somewhat where Carlos was at from a few tweets here or there, but it’s sad to see how far down the rabbit hole he has fallen. Great interview Richard.
Just another banger.
Under 1min gang!
Richard had it right from the start - this man is lost.
Great editing on this one
Carlos going out so sad 😢
This was a tough listen but Richard handled it with grace. The Maria story no matter how many times I hear it is heart breaking given what would happen after. I can't help but feel sadness listening to the full 2 hours
great episode
Welly, welly well....
This is like a two hour self report sheesh.
You happen to be rooting for EF during this match in Katowice? If so, you can take Pride in that.
man I miss Carlos, thanks for doing this!
YES!
He brags about being self reflective, owning up to mistakes, but saying sorry in some capacity or having regrets seems to be incompatible with his masculinity. Pathetic.
We kicked this guy out and brought in blood money. What a pathetic industry
Carlos is a boy, not a man
Ey what
Ocelote, you really did nothing wrong. There are those of us that remember you fondly and would love to have you back - Never apologize, you are not guilty by association. I hope you are well, we miss you.
I'm well brother. Thank you so much ❤️🔥
“The push for women at work.”
Carlos either sucks at wording or sucks.
Respect for Carlos for sticking to his guns. Bad people have friends too and that's not a crime, fickle internet mobs with zero human connection in their lives will never get that. He's definitely very hard-headed, proud, and too patriarchal for the way internet and the urban western society is today, but not for the real world he lives in. If he's able to feed himself and his family while staying that way, he should never bend the knee to anyone.
Carlos seems like a lovely man, wish him the best
Damn Carlos was the only good thing about this video
Great editing on this one