10 Ways to Manipulate a Narcissist | (Keeping the Peace with a Narcissist)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- This video answers the questions: Are they ways to counter-manipulate a narcissist? Are there ways to keep the peace with a narcissist?
Narcissism:
There are two types of narcissism: With grandiose narcissism we see characteristics like being extroverted, socially bold, self-confident, having a superficial charm, being resistant to criticism, and being callous and unemotional. Vulnerable narcissism is characterized by shame, anger, aggression, hypersensitivity, a tendency to be introverted, defensive, avoidant, anxious, depressed, socially awkward, and shy.
Narcissistic personality disorder is a Cluster B personality disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. It has nine symptom criteria, five of which are required for a diagnosis.
1: Grandiose sense of self-importance
2: Fantasies
3: Special or unique
4: Requires excessive admiration
5: Sense of entitlement
6: Manipulative
7: Lacks empathy for others
8: Often envious
9: Arrogant attitudes or behaviors
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In my experience the best way to deal with a narcissist is to avoid all contact. Your quality of life will improve 100%.
Out there in the real world, you cannot avoid having contact with narcissists because they are EVERYWHERE. Some of us really don't have any choice about the matter, we HAVE to deal with them. The "oh just go no contact" argument is just a fantasy and not possible for many people.
@@ajw7971 People throw the word Narcissist around too much. I think that there are people who are called Narcissists that are not really narcissists.
Sometimes people are covert narcissists and you can't remove them from your life easily or maybe even at all because they're a part of your family, or you work together. I'm sure there are other similar situations too. In those cases where removing them isn't easy/realistic, I'd think Grey Rocking would be the best tactic for coping. That's just my personal opinion though, as a person who was in therapy for a decade, and not a therapist in any way.
@@saynotohookups You're right; narcissism is a spectrum, and we all fall on it somewhere. Some people may be higher on that spectrum than others, and still not be classified as having NPD. Many people will look at things in a very black and white way, which isn't typically helpful to the conversation unfortunately.
And if you seem drawn to Narcissists, if you’re a human, that probably means you’re boring as hell
The weird thing about living with a narcissist is the feeling that you might be the one who's toxic.
transfer of energies, mixed with gaslighting and or trauma bond .
I totally agree, it was always my fault, anything that was wrong in his life was my fault. Even when he assaulted another woman that he married and got us both pregnant at the same time... I pushed him to it by provoking him by the tone of my voice and hes still in jail because I haven't called his probation officer enough... but he can't seem to let me go... but I make him miserable... but he can't seem to stop physically abusing me or any other woman in his life. He stalked my house and my moms house, kicked my moms front door in.. I know it's over but he is still in jail blaming me and saying that he will never leave me alone. I literally had to call the police and get a restraining order and he still has contacted me
@@georgiathomas8045 do a banishment spell & a shut up 🤫 spell on his stupid ass. Or get a witch doctor to curse him. Don’t tolerate abuse.
Wow, and I thought I had it bad with my narcissistic ex. But that's right. He calls me a narcissist on a daily basis 🤣😂
@@georgiathomas8045 please make sure you get emotional support and help to get past this.
“SOMETIMES IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS YOU JUST NEED TO SURVIVE” 😭😭😭 someone finally gets it❤️ some of us have no way out😔
so sorry Jessica 😔
Exactly
For reaaal
:(
You're not wrong, TY for that most necessary comment. 🧡
In my opinion, the best way to deal with a narcissist is to take from them your attention. Conflict can not exist without our participation.
great point
Yes! A key part of Grey Rocking isn't just shutting off our external reactions to them, it is redirecting our attention to what is healthiest for us, and letting them go without their permission, approval, or discussion.
Thats very true. I live with an narcissist and over time ive seen how much they are affected when I dont pay attention to them and how in a subtle way I completely dissociate and not care at all about anything they do since everything they do is calculated.
Yes! When our own ego needs certain outcomes or reactions or behaviors from others we cannot be free
I lived with a brother who was a narcissist who was enabled by our mother. I learned that it was best to ignore him. But even that lead to negative outcomes for me because he began to focus more in me. He would find ways to spy on me and lie about me and try to get me in trouble. He became obsessed with me. Physically tried to overpower me in subtle sexual ways. I eventually had to plan to move out of the house right after graduation from high school to avoid all this. Which meant that I had to go to work immediately and missed out on a couple free rent college years that my father was trying to talk me into. Eventually had to confess that I had to move out because of my brother and since he had power over them and would never kick him out I had to leave. I could never tell my father all the awful things he was doing to me because he would probably kill my brother and my brother might eventually kill him.
When dealing with a narcissist, record every thing that they say. Trust me, you'll need the proof later on.
Yes. Yes yes. It may feel like breaking a boundary. But your gaslit self will appreciate that you recorded. Your potential lawsuits will appreciate that you recorded. Just record on your phone when interacting. Email it to yourself with a super short description of the convo. And don't listen unless you need to.
I wish I knew this tactic.
Very true!
Listen to it when you weaken your resolve, when you begin to doubt yourself about your newfound understanding of what's happening in the relationship. Just replay one or two of those conversations-- and INSTANT RESOLVE! One review and SHAZAM you're back in the insanity-- fantastic device to prevent backsliding
Totally doing this now!! Guess I've been doing it, found several recording a few years old. Cant believe I put up with this crap so long!!
There is no "Peace" WITH a narcissist. However there is a "PEACE" WITHOUT a narcissist. You do not negotiate with the devil !!!
I'm happier without my sister or brother in my life. When I spend time with them I am miserable. They are true narcissist's.
I see we all come to the same conclusion in the end.
@@sadiestoltzfus9798 Same here with my brother. I’ll bet those pricks call you “disloyal” and crap like that just to convince themselves they’re not abusive
@@CursedWheelieBin I'm the youngest of four children. My oldest brother is now seventy and I'm 54. Our mother is 92. He expects me to be the one to do things he could and should be doing like say going with her to the Dr. etc. My mother is not the typical helpless little old lady. She drives, takes care of her own bills,. And takes care of her own house. She also can be a pain in the ass bitching all the time about politics etc. She has no serious health issues. Anyhow my brother states I am jealous of him. States I take advantage of my mother.On and on. He also tries to boss me around. And I haven't spoken to him since 2013. He does this by telling my mom "get Sadie to do this". Get her to do that. And I don't which pisses him off more. I could go on but I could write a damn novel. Take care and Merry Christmas.
The list is a very helpful survival kit for children stuck with narcissistic parent(s). It's painfully ironic that many here are unable to think beyond their own situation..
Anyone who's lived long enough with a true narcissist will never go through it again. You learn quickly what behavior to look for in a person and push them away instantly.
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Amen!
That’s a very nice way of looking at it but it doesn’t apply for me. Narcissistic abuse can happen for years before the victim even realizes what they are dealing with. I can’t speak for anyone else but myself. For me, I keep finding myself in relationships with narcissists. I attract them. They are sneaky and play games with your head and your heart. I might see things , hear my intuition, but then for one reason or another I’m convinced that I’m off base. It’s the nature of the abuse to keep me confused and in the dark.
@@evalisabowers8898 you need to understand the behavior and also how your behavior enables them and how they manipulate you. You need to study their behavior so you recognize it in others. It doesn't apply to you only if you are incapable of learning.
@@jellybean6778 I don’t know if you meant that to come across this way or not.. but of course I am capable of learning. You had me listening until you insulted my intelligence. I have been educating myself about narcissism. And the reality is that I a lot of disorders and extenuating circumstances can look like narcissism to the untrained eye. We can’t just go around diagnosing people. But what I was basically expressing was how I keep attracting narcissists like a moth to a flame. I can only guess why that is happening. I need a professional to actually diagnose me instead of some random internet person who seems to want to tell me that I am incapable of learning… also you sound like you’re victim shaming. There’s just so much wrong here
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
Yes. True. It takes a long time to come out of it. Its insidious! But a bit of it will stay with you. These narcissist are a virus.
Probably happened to dear Adolf about 1919.
@@jeffersonkee6440 Indeed. I wonder if 'abstract' knows that Nietzsche is the godfather of nazism..
I think these exercises are for people who are in situations with narcissists where they can't run yet, but need to keep the peace for a certain amount of time in order to live.
The planning stage, I agree
Like the workplace
Yea, and like a family member… unfortunately
Yep. Agreed. Then leave ASAP!!!!
agreed
"Best revenge for a narcassist is cut the contact, when you start to heal, and when you succeed. Move on and be great."
True💖
Your right thank you ❤️
@@Sionapink48 your welcome
get away
this is impossible if you work with them.
Making peace with a narcissist is like saying thank you for your abuse. Counter by setting the same expectations and boundaries. They hate their own rules.
Being with my ex narc for the past 6 yrs. made me observe this very pattern. I think they wanted to feel very important in a way that is disturbing. Instead of building trust with their intimate partners, they destroy the trust that they built with you (in that case lying when they tried to put you in their pedestal). Once they have a committed partner, they can’t stand being loved authentically by one person. Instead they go on and prey on other women that is susceptible to their love bombing. My ex narc was a compulsive pursuer in a relationship. He would go back and forth to the women he were involved before or try to meet women in complicated situation so that going public isn’t an option while having you as their main supply. In the end they destroy the very person that loved them. They are like toddlers testing your love for them. Showing and telling them you love them isn’t enough, they will cheat on your face to make you feel inadequate even if you are more than they deserve. They want to test your love for them so they keep hurting you and when you have enough of their abuse, you leave. Then they tell you, ‘you never loved me because you abandon me’. Well in fact it’s their actions and narcissistic behavior that made you leave or in other cases they discard you and will give silly reasons of the discard. Mine would use, ‘she’s crazy’, ‘she’s a nega-star’, ‘she insults me’, ‘she cheated on me’ et al. So with this pattern of infidelities and emotional abuse (who knows what else) it’s better to walk away. I did walk away and is now rebuilding my life with our daughter. We are struggling financially because I’m not earning enough to provide for my daughter but now we get to laugh and bring with us sunshine every day. No lies, no abuse and no fake love. We only live once, forgive yourself and move forward but never forget the lesson that narc abuse taught you. That is to respect yourself to walk away from what’s hurting and destroying you. That you deserve a life of solitude, happiness and love. Hugs*** :) Additionally I hired a private detective *Metaspyhub@gmail. com* . Once I knew what the narc was up to, it got easier to get over that lying, cheating, sack of doo doo, loser. I didn’t need closure from the narc, I paid for it. Best money I EVER spent!
omg everything you said is so true, especially the "They are like toddlers testing your love for them."
It's more than a year for me. I am still not fully recovered from the damage. I keep replaying what happened because I didn't have any closure, and I am still recognizing more and more lies I wasn't able to look through back then. She loved to make me jealous, talked about the plentitude of previous partners. I unfortunately missed the biggest warning sign and that was how horribly she talked abour her ex-partners. All of them were psychopats or incompetent. She only ever admired the one who was a pilot and actually was the only one who broke up with her. Before me.
Dang I've been there it's insanity
They hook you with sex and after a while it's not worth the insanity
👏 bravo. Any story of escaping an abusive narcissist deserves an ovation. Mine destroyed decades of my life. Almost 50, and I'm just feeling normal again
Metaspyhubv scammed me out of $150
You're fighting a losing battle no matter what you do with them.....just run at all cost
Exactly! I lived with a narcissist for 3 years and lying and praising doesn't work at all. My narcissist boss was the same, he would pick up on fake compliments easily. They are master manipulators, you have to be a bigger narcissist to play this sick twisted game. This is just going to further complicate things and make you feel trapped and less of yourself. How long can a true person carry on a charade? It is draining for me.
Exactly!!!!……this is exhausting…..
Sometimes your option, it is NOT possible. Especially if a young adult who is still dependent on parent; a spouse financially dependent and/or with child; so on.
Life has many many facets not just from our own experiences.
So it’s always helpful and supporting to others, when we allow room to know that there are possibilities that are not available to others.
basically yes. Some techniques may work, but only for some time. You will need all of your self control to get along and avoid conflict and you may succeed for a couple of months, but all the frustration that builds up inside you from this constant effort will make you seriously blow up sooner or later. You're either going to get depressed or explode after a couple of months.
@@deepalall647 So far, 1 yrs., 3 months.
My dad did all this with my narcissist mom for years, telling her she was always right, apologizing when she attacked him & flattering her all the time (especially as he was getting older and had lost all stamina to fight her). What he gained was a major depression, alcoholism and cancer, trying to keep it all inside for so long.
So very sad.
@Yasaman Shaltiel he would have thought that things will change someday....his positive thinking didn't work
Sounds like how my mom was
So sad. I am sorry. Best to just get away if at all possible. Not healthy for one's mental health.
My dad di that too. Now he's 59, and takes the role of narcissistic enabler on top of developing severe traits of NPD too (they've been together for almost 40 years). He hides his sadness by distracting himself on social media and stuff. Never spend time just thinking.
Stay strong, you're not alone in this at least. Wish you all the best in your journey & healing ❤
Every single manipulation tactic all but implies the use of the lying tactic and the gaslighting tactic. I actually dislike it a little calling out gaslighting as a manipulation tactic as it's actually an effect. All manipulation tactics will contribute to it by nature of what manipulation is. Some tactics however certainly take the gaslighting effect to a whole different level. Blatant lies that are so bad they insult your intelligence is one of them. That kind of shit will make you feel like you are in the twilight zone after a while. Here are some of the reasons they do this: To test their control. To feel superior and/or entertainment. This proves to themselves how much control they have over you. In the end, you will give up and you will not leave (trauma bonded). In the process of getting to the giving up stage, you will go through some pretty nasty emotional states ending in massive amounts of cognitive dissonance to swallow all of that. Cognitive dissonance is a trauma defense mechanism where you essentially lie to yourself in various ways so that you can bring back some semblance of equilibrium to the insanity you find yourself unable to escape from. As part of the ‘backing you into an emotional corner’ tactic. This is a tactic where you are manipulated into being emotionally unstable inevitably leading to you losing your shit. This gives the narcissist a big dopamine burst, they feel powerful and superior having so deftly controlled you and manipulated into this emotional state. To finish the little game they play, they make sure to point out how unhinged and unstable you are and suggest that perhaps you need help or medication. Of course, you will internalize all that shame and guilt and the million other raging emotions they have created and swallow all that essentially allowing them to scapegoat their blame and accountability onto you. Bring on some more cognitive dissonance and gaslighting effects. To condition you to expect less respect, and ultimately put up with more abuse. You will tire of the inevitable circular argument trying to convince the narcissist of the blatantly obvious lie and eventually find yourself challenging them less and less as you subconsciously accept the fact that if you do it will just make your life and emotional state more miserable and you will be denied the satisfaction of any kind of ‘win’ even if it is easy to disprove. This is part of the domination process and makes sure all the power in the relationship ends up with them by the end. To turn your mind to mush as the gaslighting effect takes hold more and more over time. This makes you even easier to control. Many times while easy to disprove it requires some kind of concession of some obvious truth that the narcissist can just doggedly refuse to agree with or remember (‘the intentional forgetting’ tactic and the ‘feigned confusion or ignorance’ tactics are often employed for this). So, in fact, it is not so easy to prove when the narcissist refuses to correctly remember what happened 10 min ago or accept sound logic or reasoning. You will just turn blue in the face trying. Of course, in some cases it is indisputable. A phone log or something. My experience is when this kind of stuff happens it wasn’t their intention typically, although sometimes it was. But in these scenarios, you will typically get some sort of angry ‘invalidating’ tactic, with some good old ‘manufactured rage’ and ‘intimidation’ tactics to ‘put you on the defensive’ and get you more susceptible to further manipulation. Maybe something like: “Get over yourself already” followed up by some ‘blame-shifting’ tactics with some good old ‘guilt’ and ‘shame’ tactics, like “Why the hell are you spying on my phone records anyway? What kind of relationship is this? I don’t have any privacy? I don’t know if I can do this anymore! You have major jealousy issues! You need help!” You will walk away as the loser either way. There are resistance tactics that can be used but this is a very difficult tactic to deal with and it is one of their favorites. I won’t get into the counter-tactics here though. The only way to really win in a relationship with a narcissist is to leave them and go no contact. Moreover, Catching a cheating spouse might be difficult, and knowing what local laws say you can and cannot do might be even more difficult. To simplify the process, consider hiring a private investigator to do the sleuthing for you I genuinely appreciate how incredible you are and your work! Thank you for a job well done Metaspyhub@gmail. com,,
My motto is this... when I want to treat the narcissist the way they treat me, don't. This stuff is so draining. I'm done. In the middle of the reverse discard.
As the guy in the video said, this is for people who are in the midst of the narccisisst grasp who aren't able to get away yet.
They want your energy. They can get the gift of my silence.
I lived with one for 9 years and actually subconsciously did all this to keep the peace. IT IS EXHAUSTING and will drain your lifeforce. Not recommended for longer than extremely short term interaction....
@Eric McDonald
Oh I agree! I had 20 yrs in but was only surviving to help my children & I honestly did NOT know my rights. I knew getting out would be dangerous due to constant threats & it took 4 years in Court to get full custody of my kids & a fair divorce!
Wish I had left long before I did
Totally agree
Definitely
I've also been using some of these tactics just to try to keep the peace. It's been 20 years and I'm truly exhausted but at least being consciously aware of what I've been doing and learning a few more ways I can smooth things over is incredibly helpful. I'm planning an exit strategy now but it's going to take some time so I agree, these are great for short term interaction but if you extend it beyond a few months or maybe a year it will drain you considerably.
What is lifeforce?
RUN! trying to be on a narcissists good side is so draining and demeaning
Gigi Gerst,your lovely smile can make the news
Absolutely!
Right? You don't even get anything by being on their good side. Just cut them out all the way!
It's like wearing a kick me sign on your forehead
@@Annedowntherabbithole fuck I member them days fuck that one day had enough and told myself let’s see how strong my resilience actually is
I love how he brings up the fact that sometimes you can't avoid the narcissist because they are your boss or your co-workers. In today's age, you will often encounter narcissistic people in every social setting, so going no contact is not the solution.
Bo contact is just one of the manny tool you can use, its not a universal tool that works in every situation. Sometimes it just comes in handy.
True, but how do we live life surrounded by these soul sucking parasites?? Any suggestions, please share. Because I’m facing the same problem, if I go no contact with everyone, I’ll basically be living under a rock. Guys any suggestions, with least damage to self are appreciated.
Ouch. That's hurts
@@msredcurtains ouch. I am not like that.
@@msredcurtains look at how u point the finger. Do u feel that u are better ? I bet you got some things that are really ugly too. But u hide it by talking ugly about people u have no idea how they got this disorder. God loves me. Maybe u should Ask God to help u understand so u don't be part of the abuse I went thru
Shining a light on these creatures is the best "revenge"
My first red flag incident with a recent narcissist was me having boundaries. They took boundaries in a negative way because they don't like when people have them.
Yep cause they want to and will cross them (boundaries) every chance they get when you let them.
@Miwa I was going to comment that the same just happened with me and a newish friend.
She was a time manipulator, which i am very familiar with from previous run ins with Narcissists and sociopaths.
For just one example, Every lunch date gets moved, her needs for get-togethers became erratic and if we had plans to spend time, based on my idea, she would come then only stay for a few moments... this was after only being friends for a few months. So, I told her that I needed to make plans that stick and keep a schedule that allows me to share a car with my son. I did this to test her after picking up on the red flags.
Sure enough, the very next lunch we had planned (to celebrate a work victory on my part.) She called the day before wanting to "pivot" to just an hour before, she said her work was just too important to be there on the time planned and completely lost it when I firmly said I could keep the origional plan but, especially because I didn't have access to transportation at the time.
She tried to text debate and get super petty about me not caring enough about HER Needs, and when told her to stop and we could discuss it in the future, she just got hyperbolic. So I broke it off as friends and 'canceled' the work we were collaborating on.
It is very interesting to watch an otherwise intelligent person with a lot going for them, turn into a complete toddler over something so simple as setting one boundry like keeping plans.
@@lizbunya I agree.
@Miwa I won't go into great detail but I set a boundary, they didn't like that so they tried to intimidate me by giving me the death stare and then I decided to not associate with them anymore and they tried to pull several unsuccessful manipulative tactics.
@Miwa If you can't tell that that is a right choice, that's concerning.
I can't bring myself to tell a narcissist that they're great.
I feel you there 🥰Sendin you love
Key phrase "hmm -- well that's an opinion you can have." Check out dr Les Carter and dr Ramani if you haven't already. I have a feeling you're familiar though ;)
@@markpfeffer7487 I like that a lot! - I wouldn't want to feed their ego.
Well if it's a game of manipulation and you need something from them, then this advice is mostly a way to turn their game around & flip it back on them. There have been narcissists in my life that I've placated either bc I was in danger or I knew stroking their ego would be enough to get them to ease up on their controlling behavior to allow me to do (or have) something. Or as a way of building up a narc's trust, so that you could later dismantle their ego. I actually did this unintentionally, I broke a narc after he became co-dependant on my ego-feeding. One day I got so fed up with his BS that I told him exactly what I really thought about him (between slaps to my face) and why his wife left him & none of his kids wanna see him. I blurted it all out while he kept throwing his fist until he finally walked away and my brother came down yelling "What did you do? He's crying!" I did not feel remorse, especially bc my mother stood there doing nothing while he was hitting me. Instead of criticizing him for the abuse, she looked at me and said that _I_ had gone too far!!! I couldn't believe it. That's why I hardly ever talk to my family and live alone as a hermit. People suck. Anyway if you're gonna compliment a narc, those would be the 3 reasons:
1. To placate a dangerous/threatening individual
2. To alleviate some of the control forced on you
3. As part of a long game of building up their confidence & then breaking them
@@YourMajesty143 Wow, I'm glad you were able to get yourself out of that! Thank you for sharing your story! Putting it into perspective like this, the video makes sense. I hope you've found a way to open up your heart again, and steer clear of these types of people. peace.
“Sometimes you manipulate the narcissist to survive”. You observe their techniques, and appealing to their egos is key to your success until you can get the HELL away and go no contact. There are those that exhibit traits, then there are those that are full out narcs that slide in and out of psychopath tendencies. It’s all a game of one-upmanship and control with them. They will have you doubting everything you perceive, including your self-worth.
I agree. Manipulation is not the way to go. You have to study their behavior, be aware and then make plans to remove yourself from them. Work on yourself instead. Try to understand why you became the narcissist target in the first place. That is what I did. I am narcissist FREE! Good luck!
What helped you most in realizing why you were a target? I know mainly why I was a target, and broke free entirely and am FREE but also curious of your perspective and experience. Tysm ❤️🫶🏻
The Dr. is talking about if you have to be in contact with them, i.e. the father of your children, your boss, etc.
"Play silly games, win silly prizes."
Advice from teachers at my school, late-1980s, England.
A prize is better than a rock.
Hilarious
Love it!!
@@heatherwhatever7714 Playing good games with other people and winning good prizes is better than winning silly prizes though.
I like this philosophy it's fast and truthful and cute
Best advice: Run!!!
Can run but you can't hide when you have children/child together
You can't run when they are your family
Y’all my aunt was married to a narcissists and now she 6 feet under ground. If you get the right people involved then yes you can run. RUNRUNRUN!!! Her last words with her eyes closed was “GIVE ME MY Medicine “😢😭😢😭😭🥺🥺🥺🥺. In other words he was not giving her the medications. He kept it and she slowly died. RUN 🏃♀️
I'm a fucking Animal. It's only by God's Grace that I'm now a better person.
Back away slowly.....don’t run.
Be excited and not disgusted by narcissists is something I find soooo difficult.
"Yeah. I'd never thought of it like that before." They fall for that one every time.
“We never would have figured this out without you.” Is another one.
It’s like dealing with a child.
@@REDACTED-1 like talking to a gaping void of nothingness, it’s utterly insane LMAO there is no core of rationality
“A narcissist paints a picture of themselves as being the victim or innocent in all aspects. They will be offended by the truth. But what is done in the dark will come to light. Time has a way of showing people’s true colors.”
- Karla Grimes
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@@taniamachin766 God bless you Hope lifes treating you extremely kindly now 👍🍀🙏
@@evelina787 thank you and yes, god is sending me good messages for what comes next for me
Usually after one of the two dies. One of my sisters passed away. Her Ex-husband, a minister is a narcissist, convinced the congregation she had mental issues (she did because of him!!) and a horrible wife. He literally stalked her after their divorce. She checked herself into a mental well-being facility and he couldn't access. While there she met someone who was dying, they married. She took care of her wonderful MIL. Later my sister passed. My mom happened to tell me what happened. Sad 😔
They are very sneakie creatures
When I disengage from a narcissist manipulating and controlling the conversation, I like to point randomly and shout “ Look! A squirrel!” Then I walk away. Positivity to all.❤️🇨🇦
Jason Berezny Very funny 😂
Thank you---I will be using that💯
Ha ha ha good one, this made me smile.
😂😂😂😂
Lol😂😅😆
The most infuriating aspect about dealing with narcissists is that you can’t challenge them. They are not like typical jerks who can be *“put in their place”* - you have to give them their way or avoid them. 😅
Spot on. One trait my husband has, among many, is he is mega, over the top, hyper sensitive to ANY criticism whatsoever. It's maddening because my husband lies. They mostly are minor but still, I hate it, feel used, feel like I'm being played the fool, etc. and no matter how kind or respectful I try to set a boundary when I catch him and show dignity to myself, he blows up and gets extremely angry. He defends himself - basically lies more - then turns it on me, he gaslights me. I hate it. But as I'm getting older, I am surviving better by not challenging him, just taking it. It sucks but the anguish after is worse.
True true. U never have civil conversation
That's not true. Wow. U guys are worst the me at least I ain't pointing the fingers at everyone's disorders I'm trying to learn about my disorder. To come here and read all of you guys is blowing my mind. How u think u r better
@@chelemae why haven’t you left him yet? Children? If so and they’re still minors please don’t subject them to the damage having him as a father is causing. My mom had the same problem and decided to run away with me when I was 5. My dad’s a wife-beating narcissist
@@darkprince56 Thanks for your reply. I haven't left him for many reasons and one of them is my very strong faith. And yes, I have minor children, which for the most part, my husband is very good to. (Sometimes he does get quite belligerent and exasperating with them but it is only in very small doses) There are other reasons too but for my faith, even tho I am struggling a lot in this marriage, God's hand is in this and He has greater things ahead for this. Jeremiah 28:11
Woke up to my husband being a “vulnerable narcissist” learning that was helpful. This is an absolute nightmare situation.
It’s exhausting to do this to a man that treats me like garbage - I’d rather not deal with him at all
Yep
exactly. just break up then. 100p%
Don’t then. Save yourself because your mental health is most important!
You must rise in consciousness to do these things and it’s in your nature to be kind and real to everyone-Including the mentally ill.
Avoiding is best. But this is about how to control them, in case you have a boss, co-worker, client or are related to one, and avoiding them is not possible.
Agreed
The best way to keep peace with a narcissist is avoid interaction as much as possible. Most importantly, this preserves one's inner peace by eliminating an unwelcome stressor.
It’s always good to Avoid Trouble when possible. “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!”
But then they get mad cause u aren’t glorifying them
Dr Grande videos are always filled with unoriginal comments that all say the same thing but have little depth.
For those people who have no choice but to interact with the narcissist this advice is very important. Disarming them constantly is the best advice because they are honey badgers if you ever try to take them on.
I now realise I've been doing most of these to handle my narcissistic mother. The hard part is not to laugh or be disgusted at their fantasies.
I've done all these, but only as a child with a sociopathic father. When you're trying not to be killed or injured, these are good tactics. As an adult, it's complete no contact with abusers. At work, its complete gray rock and much documentation. Good luck, all. It's a jungle out there!
Robin Donnelly my challenge is in the work place . Do narcissist see other narcissist ?
@@gigigirl2229 As Dr. Grande said in the video, narcissists do see, and respect (or less contemn, are "less disgusted by") other narcissists, as peers in elitehood.
Best plan.
How about a grey boulder dropped on their head from a freeway overpass?
@@JudgeJulieLit, narcissist will battle with each other a lot too. I've seen a bunch of times where they try to work together on something/someone only too start going head on with each other. They are very toxic people and will go back and forth with each other for power and/or control.(Well power and/or control in their delusional little worlds though.)
“ask about their fantasy and don’t be mortified”
LMFAO I love this man 😂
I know hes being serious but I cant stop laughing.
It’s true though
When I heard that all the images of situations when I was mortified by the narcist tales went through my mind. Never showed I was mortified🤣🤣🤣
My best friend's husband is a creepy narcissist.. he once told her he prayed to God that she would be paralyzed in a car accident so she would have to let him take care of her. She now has lung cancer, stage 4.
@@snu3877 is he by her side enjoying being powerful and her dependent on him or did he flee scared of that much responsibility and getting bored of taking care of her?
If you need to manipulate anyone to be happy or survive then you stayed too long in that relationship. Don't lower yourself to manipulation of another human being. Just make your own life and fill it with positive people. You cannot make a human change.
For those of us who already stayed too long, the tips are not about changing the narc but managing to survive around them without intoxication.
These are the exact words that help very few to no one.
that's why he said it's for situations you CAN'T avoid. Like a co-worker, an ex you have kids with etc. It's tips to help maintain the peace while you are around them.
what if its your mother & brother?
Both my parents are narcissists that have somehow managed to bond to each other and be together for 50+ years. They are *very difficult to be around* and seem to get worse each year. You never know what will set them off either. You have to keep feeding them compliments so they don't feel vulnerable and fly into narcissistic rage- it's exhausting. I enjoy this video and its advice for the special moments of life we still celebrate together (graduation, weddings, funerals, new babies).
I’ve been doing this for several years but there is one HUGE disadvantage to this and that is that they will want to contact you through text or phone calls to have you feed them their supply. It’s never enough for them and imagine having 8 narcissists blowing up your phone demanding an ear daily!! It gets old!
Keep in mind, that peace isn't always worth having. Especially if as a result you're not at peace with yourself.
It's more of a detente.
Isn't it so!
True. But if it's a safety thing, these are okay ideas. But still just for as short term as possible. It's soul crushing to say the least to pretend you're someone you're not.
I agree!
I’m just going to do this until I have enough money to leave. It would not be a way to live long term.
They really get under your skin, and have the gift of bringing out the worst in people.
Yep ... push people to their limits.
Agreed
So true
@@Nina-vv3ev very true
@@magpiegirl3783 I'm really struggling with this fam. What do you do to not get pushed beyond your limits? I get impulsive and talk back which enrages them, when they are the ones that get under my skin and push me off my limits. and these people are my both of my parents.
1. Don't be stunned/disgusted by them.
2. Avoid criticizing them.
3. Compliment them / Be impressed with them.
4. Double check advice with them.
5. Be mad on their behalf.
6. Ask for their advice and be amazed by their reply.
7. Offer to help them.
8. Ask them about their dreams / fantasies. (Don't make suggestions on how to improve it.)
9. Empathize with their feelings.
10. Don't put yourself down / frame yourself as competent. Then your compliments and empathy mean more.
Notice that these are good tips for ingratiating yourself to anyone. The difference with a narcissist is that in order to have a relationship at all, you must ingratiate yourself to them. And if you don't ingratiate yourself to them, they go into rage.
Ty
These steps are a guide to show submission to the narcissist, and give up all your dignity in order to please them. It’s not manipulation, it’s not management, and it’s not going to bring peace to your mind. It’s basically giving up and fake your treatment towards them. I was hoping for the “part 2” of the video but it never came.
Totally agree, this was not the advice I was looking for.
Shaming/embarrassing them works. At least enough for them to leave you alone 🙂.
So hes saying feed their ego. Fuck that.
clearly you were never physically abused by a narc
psychologist can't recommend doing ANYTHING that will trigger rage in N ppl since they cannot regulate which N will be physically violent and which will not AND they know that ea victim will be different in their capabilities mentally to hold their own with a N. It's almost as if ea person has to be the psychologist for themselves when dealing w a N. Then, if you are willing to take them on, you will see that to do it effectively your mindset will have to CONSTANTLY be one spiteful, degenerate, deceitful step ahead of theirs. And personally I just don't want to think of them that much, I prefer my freedom. We all have to look at our situations w THESE ppl and hit where they are weakest at the right time. But who can tell you that time? Who can tell you that act? So you have very general blanket solutions that are safe. I can say, from experience, that these solutions worked when I was the N target but the N just turned toward my children then I had to employ my own methods. I have NO REGRETS but I would have if I was not willing to meet him head on taking the mindset that I may go down but I'm bringing YOUR HEAD w me!!
A word of the wise...be very careful about your choice of words with these people.
ACOANM RU4REAL Yes!
They'll hang on every single word
@@xino_z I know one exactly like that.
If you're walking on eggshells, it's time to say bye, bye.
But why do we have to treat them like kings goddammit, they are just entitled spoiled brats
My narcissist ex was usually pleased with me asking his "permission" for everything. I left him 2 months ago & haven't been this happy in years!
So you even had to ask permission to go to the bathroom? Permission to speak?
I started asking the narc I have to deal with, “ can I get this?” When we go grocery shopping. And I do it loud enough for other people to hear me. And I purposely keep a distance between us out in public. A LOT of people have “noticed it”. I will walk a wide birth around him when he is paying, or I will purposely step away from him if he moves closer to me out in public. It makes people “Watch” him. He does get a little ticked off but I give no reaction. Just stay silent or play dumb as a brick or oblivious to what he is talking about, as if I didn’t see what happened...but I did. A little bit dangerous on my part, but it’s my way of letting him know that he is being “watched” and others WILL step in if he gets ugly. He has burned A LOT of bridges with good people that helped him in the past. After they found out the things he had done to me over the years they basically cut ties with him because they were disgusted with his behavior. Now MANY people that KNOW us, know that he is out of control.
@@saynotohookups Permission to use the bathroom, yes. I didn't "have to" per say but it sure did make the living situation easier to just play along sadly. The mean and evil mind games would start if I lived life like a normal person as I do now!
@@alisinmansion4588 When did you decide that enough was enough?
@@saynotohookups after 2 years of abuse
Manipulate a Narcissist-------1. Never be obviously negatively stunned (never show disgust). 2. Avoid criticizing them. 3. Compliment them. (Butter them up, but be sincere.) Be impressed with them. Compare them to high-status individuals. Make them think they are special, legendary. 4. Double-check advice from higher-ups, experts with them. (consult them) 5. Be mad on their behalf. "It's sad that others cannot see how great you are." 6. Ask for their advice and be amazed at their reply. "I never would have thought of that." 7. Offer to help them....join with them to meet a common goal. 8. Ask them about their dreams and don't be mortified by their reply. Be excited not disgusted by their fantasies. Don't make suggestions about how to improve that. 9. Empathize with their feelings. "Everyone is too touchy-feely these days.". "Some people can be so stubborn." 10. Appear good or great, but let them know you see them above you.
Everything on this list makes me want to puke and have diarrhea
ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE NARCISSIST ISNT WORTH MY ENERGY, ANY OF IT ANYMORE. LIFE'S TOO SHORT TO BE DEALING WITH THE devil
Lmao 😂😂😂 we need to talk.
@@WomanofGod-jc4cj However the devil is everywhere you go. Sometimes one is forced to confront him in human flesh.
One question: How much experience have you had dealing with a narcissist?
I would guess you do not live with one.
I love this. New insight into narcissists. Was married to one. Still recovering
Same. Hugs
Me too. Good luck with recovery.
I’m still married, I want out but hel take the house I bought before we got married. He won’t work or do anything, his true colors are coming out. I’m stuck and trauma bonded with CPTSD . AHhhhhhh
good luck . the hardest is to leave
My son was married to one. Hopelessly in love. But whatever he did was never enough. He was never good enough. She separated him from his side of the family. She gaslighted him, she lied to him, she cheated on him. All of it was his fault. He finally shot himself.
Trying to 'help' a narcissist uncover their veil is equivalent to scolding a cat for pissing on the carpet - they're just not gonna get it and if they do they don't care.
Percy Blakeney great analogy-so appropriate 😂when a cat pees-its a territory thing or they’re frightened and scared so they mark their territory. And if you punish and or reprimand them they feel even more angry and threatened so they piss even more. But if you don’t make a big deal out of it, and are kind while soothing them, and clean the area with a solution of vinegar, a lil hydrogen peroxide, distilled water and baking soda-then place a small dish of food on the spot-they get the message that they’re safe and this is not where they pee-this is a safe place😂
Love your name!!!
I have had cats and CNs for years so I can truly appreciate ur comment 👏🏻
Cat will just look at you like are you crazy?
@@mr.vargas5648 ...just like my mother.
Interestingly this was how I coped with my ex girlfriend for seven years. She kicked me out two months ago and is now with my Boss. Its hard to be mad when your so happy to be free.
blond knight Don’t go back!
Ignorance is bliss huh?
Congratulations. Getting the narcissist to focus their toxic attention on someone else is a great way to get rid of them.
do you dislike your boss? well, he's getting what's coming to him apparently...
blond knight CONGRATULATIONS and God BLESS YOU: you WILL make it!!! 😇🤗🙇🙏📖👏👏👏
This doctor is spot on!! You have to go along with them, but you have to be completely convincing because they suffer paranoia as well. They can sense if someone is not genuine.
The struggle is real, thanks for remembering survivors of Narcissism. 👍
Best point in this video never be self-deprecating around a narcissist.
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Even at work, go no contact. It's not worth your mental health. Be kind but create space between you and them. Very important
True
I love this checklist of problem-solving these relationships. I was in a narcissistic abusive relationship and asked my therapist for a year if I was a narcissist because I managed by using manipulation as a coping mechanism. Didn't realize it was ok.
It's all very confusing. I'm still sorting out being "triggered" and "hypervigilance". 🤦 Or just being aware of your surroundings, vs hypervigilance. 🤔
Dr Grande, thank you for this video.
My mom is a codependent, married to a narcissist for 30 years now and it's torn the family apart.
I was a teenager when she began dating him, and my earliest memories of their relationship were when she told me "he's always right about everything! I've never met anyone who is always right!" As a teenager I knew it didn't sound right, but I had no real idea how devastating a path my mom was talking us down.
For decades we lived under the strange cloud of the false narrative bubble he created, which my mom propagated, which made him the Hero and my sister and I the villains, because we didn't agree with everything he said.
My sister and I are in our 40s now and we basically have no relationship with her anymore. I've cut him out completely, and sadly that means I have very limited interaction with my mom, who is by nature a sweet and kind person. But having this person around, even indirectly, was a constant source of negativity and anxiety in my life, and I had to cut it out for my own sanity. Now I have a little girl that my mother will likely never get to know.
These are the inevitable costs you incur when a narcissist infiltrates your life.
I just realized why my narc husband is so hyper-sensitive to my facial expressions and my tone of voice. It's because I am always disgusted with his behavior and he can sense that. Thank you for helping me sort this out.
very concise
is your husband an alcoholic too?
Been there! Yes, after understanding about Narcissism, I too have come to understand that the Narc is hypersensitive to the voice tone/facial expressions. And also he's right, come to think of it, they later on review what and how something was said to them! Years of not understanding this/not aware that this even exists until 2 years ago. Now I understand and I know it's got NOTHING to do with ME! Thank u Dr. for all of this insightful information.
Yess, my partner says that he doesn’t like my tone. I told him well if he would not speak to me as a cell mate.. he would have had a better reciprocated answer. I told him he gets under my skin and I reluctantly want to do anything for him as a wife when I am not one to him. We’ve been together 19 years with two teenagers and one 7 year old. I’m tired of the blames, and hurtful words. And him not standing up for me when his mother feeds him garbage.
@@sherwoodmichel7059 how did you put up with that for so long?
The horrible thing is... narcissists really like to make you miserable no matter how happy you make them. They're going to backstab you in the end as hard as they can. And I think it gets worse the more you make them happy, actually. It does make them worse. And worse.
You are so right. Actually they seem to hate happiness.
From wondering what I'm understanding here is that you're disagreeing with the feeding of the ego to The narcissist in order to obtain a desired result or in order to potentially protect yourself from a tax and make your communication and "relationship" with them with less of a struggle. Dr Todd Grand I do not mean disrespect by disagreeing with your statement I see that you very much know the dangerous interactions that are being partaken when interacting with a narcissist especially some of the really really twisted ones they're generally sadist who just love to cause pain they'd rather have an argument for three days about nothing and be miserable at the cost of anything including anything that they benefit from just at the exciting arousal they appear to receive from making their unhappiness spread to others. I was with a pretty strong narcissist it felt like I was in prison he even went so far as to tell me after he had trauma bonded me on flying monkeys had done their damage to my trusted companions they were no longer safe if they tried to help me and no one could see what I was up against it appears. I definitely found that when he was feeding he was way worse yes it was my survival technique at times to avoid further troubles trials and tribulations to pretend I did not thirst for an escape route while I pretended to be smitten and under his control. When I did do these behaviors of compliance with him I found that yes I could avoid complications at times and if I fought against him with my strength and refusal to be deflated by his attacks that he would come at me repetitively until it would turn into a physical or mentally detrimental outcome for me. But the narcissists know how to pick their targets they like to pick someone who is empathetic understanding compassionate good natured easily compliant and manipulated to the extent where you literally become a puppet. I decided to eat lots of food and just lay still for long periods of time refusing to shower and attempting to be as minutely sexually alluring as possible. I'm not sure whether it was my strength and determination to not drown in his wake or whether it was the combination of my strength and my good nature I tried to teach him a little bits and let him know that I was very knowledgeable in regards to these personas. I educated myself as much as possible and told myself that my imprisonment to his needs was for a few reasons, in order to stomach it. I got the study the disorder the nature I got to try out different tactics and measure responses etc I told myself it was a learning experience. I also told myself that if it got bad enough that he was going to kill me thatt I would fight back despite what may come in the efforts to protect future women being destroyed. I find that feeding them literally makes them worse with him if he has a common acquaintance over and I somehow shame him after dealing with him dishing out non-stop attacks,. I tell him because commonly it's true the verbal attacks and hatred they spew upon you is really hatred that they feel within themselves and dislikes they have about their own nature that they reflect on you as they do not see themselves as flawed. When they are empty and self-conscious when they are alone when they are challenged they don't have the strength. If someone would be over and they would feed into him he would get strong and I wouldn't be able to handle it. But I definitely agree that if the narcissist is going to feed regardless the fight is not fair safe or really effective in any way. Those times if he's going to feed the bestest to give him praise and approval so he can rest they will go without sleep until they feed sometimes. They also like to stock social media friends family anything that matters to you is in jeopardy pretty much from the get when connecting with these individuals. Luckily and unfortunately he had picked other people to feed off of who came from harmed environments and hadn't healed so he fed on their unfortunate conditioning from upbringing that led them to want hardships and turmoil. For that reason I feel safer but I will never let my guard down.
I used to hear my mom on the phone in the living room gossiping about relatives and even me lots of times to whoever she was talking to on the phone, I used to feel very angry at what she’d say about me, and when I would walk into the kitchen to make a drink or snack, I’d make eye contact with her and she’d smile so sweetly and wink or something as if what she had said never happened and after I’d go back to my room she’d say more things and I would cry listening to her say embarrassing things, she’d even exaggerate to get a bigger reaction from whoever she was talking to.
Narcissistic ppl thrive on other ppls energy and reactions. They thrive on gossiping and talking bad about other ppl. There’s a verse in the Bible that says if you talk negatively or give someone a bad name behind their backs, that that’s a form of murdering that person. In Gods eyes she has murdered so many ppl.
@@Blk_Velvet i have a parental figure who feeds off my pain. i feel for you, the shit they say without any shame usually playing themselve up as the big hero or the alleged victim. The smirk is one of the worst parts that usually means they got the reaction they needed at your cost. yes document and record everything discretely.
@@Moonlit3Hibiscus Do we have the same parent?? Because it sounds like you’re talking about my mom haha!
Well there’s something we can take away from this. And that is “how NOT to be” as a person lol
This is excellent for the workplace...I'm not so sure with my sister. I've gone no contact for 5 years and I'm at peace.
Very good advice . When dealing with a narc in the workplace , it is important not to loose your cool , and stay neutral . They are very sick and vindictive .
I feel like this video should be titled “How to Keep Being a Good Supply”
It’s everything I’ve been doing for years, without even realizing it, while I slowly lose my sense of self and my sanity.
That said, I appreciate the content for demonstrating this to me.
you’re doing it wrong, if you gaslight them enough you can benefit from the situation. keep your empathy for them the same as they empathize for you - zero. 😇
I think it's just for emergencies or when you really are not in a position to avoid them. Short term fix, and then get out.
It's a good thing that you didn't realize it. Sometime it is better to be oblivious and ingnore the facts than suffer and be aware. Narcs are much happier when they have unsuspecting victim in their hands, they are not happy if you are rebelious and trying to have your opinion. I think now that you realized what your relationship is about, I would advice to plan your exit strategy but never reveal that to your spouse. Just be ready and one day leave without a word so you can escape safely. Best wishes and don't blame yourself. Many have been through it and many will be. @Morgan Jones
Wow
Yea...
1. 3:00 Don't be stunned in a negative way
2. 3:40 Avoid criticizing
3. 4:14 Complement
4. 8:15 Double check others' advice w/the narcissist
5. 9:00 Be mad on behalf of the narcissist
6. 9:48 Ask for their advice and be amazed
7. 10:31 Offer to help
8. 11:20 Ask them about their dreams
9. 12:38 Empathize with their feelings
10. 15:06 Don't put yourself down
Thanks for the bullet points 😃😃
Be their fan
So off.
Linda-Ruth Cardozo thanks a lot
Thank you. It's a life skill that i need.
The problem I find with all of this is that they just get worse. I used to say that one of the narcs in my family went very quickly from gratitude (for what I was doing for her) to expectation (that of course I would keep doing it) to demand (that if I stopped doing it, I was breaking some kind of trust).
I’m not proud to say this but I was clinically diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder 2 years ago. I never thought anything was wrong with me (in a true narcissistic fashion) amy mother asked me to see a specialist but bc I didn’t think anything was wrong I got offended. I had just been told I wasn’t perfect the way I ridiculously thought I was.
It wasn’t until my mom told me she was going to cut contact with me if I didn’t go talk to someone. Obviously in my narcissistic ways I didn’t believe her, how could she cut contact with me? I’m perfect after all right? WRONG
When my mom actually cut communication I eventually saw a specialist and sure enough, after a few months I was diagnosed. I feel terrible all the time because now I realize all the messed up stuff I did thinking I was the only one that mattered
I have used these tactics with several narcissists. They don't change anything long term, however, it can help you get through a tough work day.
In a sense, the real problem for you starts if you work in an environment which rewards narcissistic behavior. You can be seduced by material and status gains into giving your own self-centeredness more time at the wheel than is healthy. :/
I think the number 11 technique would be to very quietly plan your escape. You could have a perfect way of dealing with this problem. When the rubber hits the road, you have to hit the road along with the rubber...
WynnKidsNanny LoriVance Or your life!!!
The hardest part for me is push for 'medium' level of flattery. If I flatter too hard, I get name requested to work exclusively as the lead hand on the narcissist's jobs. If I say what's on my mind or point out mistakes, the narcissist would tell my superintendent I suck and can't follow orders. I try to be likable enough to avoid abuse but a few times while playing the 'yes man' its pretty easy go too far. My skills and training is in construction, not theater. I shouldn't have to take acting classes to be able to survive my work environment.
I do it every day
I refer to it as “managing” the narcissist.
Yesss!! Great expression, thanks for that!
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@@lisacurtis8162 mag dump
@@jamespollock11 yeah make prison worth it.
yeah...that should have been the title.
All great all praises but they’ll throw it right back at you when they can”oh without you nothing gets done here “ and the narcissist will throw this back when possible with “as you confirmed yourself, you don’t get anything done , I do”. I can imagine how all this niceness will go down
I’m 59, I told my 83 y/o father when I last saw him... “I’m turning into.... YOU ! He loved it. Lol
He probably realized that he too had become one of his own parents as well (some years ago).
I keep this sign on my wall: "THE LESS YOU RESPOND TO DESTRUCTIVE PEOPLE, THE MORE PEACE YOU HAVE IN YOUR LIFE". There's a term called "going gray rock" with a narcissist. In other words, IF you have to be around one-job, had children with one- you MUST act as boring, dull and emotionally muted as you possibly can. You blend into the background; if you have to answer you give one word answers. If a narc thinks you're boring or mentally dull-GOOD. Really, you shouldn't have one in your life unless you unfortunately had kids with one. They are worth quitting a job over if you have to, they are worth completely ignoring if you are related to one. They will do nothing but hurt you-no matter how smart and stable you are, they have a weapon you do not-they have NO conscience or empathy so they will stop at NOTHING to entangle you in their web and suck you dry. If you are literally TRAPPED with one and are trying to avoid narcissistic rage, then you can do the things this guy suggests until you can escape. But really? If you keep behaving the way he suggests, it WILL affect YOUR mind and you will start developing Stockholm Syndrome. You, a person with empathy and a conscience, will start identifying with the narcissist and even start feeling SORRY for him/her! Look at all these comments of people who stay with their narcissist. They talk about how miserable, draining and heart-breaking it is, but they STAY. Because they are trapped by their own MISPLACED compassion. A narc knows how to tap into that You can't win with a narc-your only way to live well is GET RID OF THEM FOREVER.
So true
Not all narcissists are family members. Some are bosses at work.
It means a lot to me now, it made me feel powerfull! thank you so much, now im sure that i dont need him in my life. its draining me, and im very empathetic person, so i really start to think how you wrote: "i started to feel sorry about him, and im trying to help him bf breaking up." but its breaking me, and he has more power everyday. i will break up with him even today!!!! i will keep you updated ( thanks God i realised it quite soon, im with him for "only" 4monts!!)
I agree with you 100% on being boring and one word answers. I learned that in my four years of Military Service. That is one job that you can't quit! 😂
Misplaced compassion indeed
Nice one
Greetings from Nigeria
It's EXHAUSTING and you lose yourself!!!
Yes, it is basically self-denying.
this is what narcs also want, once you lose yourself, they can manipulate you into becomming what they want. A minion/servant for them or a bully towards the narcissist, which you should avoid, because they want to be the victim which you are at the start of their abuse. Its stupid, but remember, they were abused by their parents (usually) at early childhood and developed this lifestyle, so its their own fault for not letting go of the past. Best way for narc abuse victims to move on is to let go entirely of the past.
😱 omg Yesssss so true!!!!
My exact words!
My best friend was a narcissist and once I realized this, I also realized she was done with me but had manipulated me in our friend group to be her "saviour" in a way, so she was trying to get me to stop being friends with her so she could keep face in the friend group and possibly get some sympothy. I utilized the second and third tactics of complimenting her when she would push me (i.e. telling her what a good and supportive friend she was for criticizing me), and I also criticized her (just little things like, "I think the roast is slightly overcooked, but it's good enough) in slight moments when people were around and she would flip into these unbridled rages that left everyone wondering what just happened. Now I technically used these things to manip[ulate her into ending our friendship...which worked, but I did end up losing a lot in the process.
Unfortunately, I'm in a situation right now, in which I must interact with 2 narcissists. I've been trying to stomach being around them for years, and it never gets easier. Avoiding them or cutting them out of my life has been the only thing that's worked for me. Never let them get control over you. NEVER!
I feel that manipulation as a way of dealing with a narcissist is repulsive and actually makes them worse. I personally will avoid them, having been abused for years by one, I learned the best relationship with one, is a zero relationship with them.
Perhaps a parent, without the option of abandoning a disordered child, could get some peace and protect their own mental health using the techniques. If it's your co-worker or neighbour etc, wouldn't this be enabling and set them up, along with the people around them, for a bigger narsistisic crash and fall out at some point later on?
@T K
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Try having your dog that you bought named and trained stolen from you, and your only option to get him back is manipulation, you wouldn't say absolutely anything so you could to get your son/daughter/dog back?
@@testdrivenutrition3951 i think that she is talking about a general rule of thumb.
@TK someone with a vulnerable adult child and divorced narcissistic spouse who has guardianship, one has to figure ways to deal.
It's like dealing with a three year old
Yes. A three year old who is deeply hurt. There is this thing called narcissistic wound of which I think of every time dealing with my narcissist. Feeling empathy or more so, being comprehensive like of a dependent and troubled child helps me implement all of those techniques without getting bitter about it. I use these without remorse just to keep me sane, but I am very detached from the situation internally since I know there are things that he just cannot do since he is disabled, in a way. And I am not the right one to help or even treat him, plus most narcissists are very hard to heal even in therapy. I doubt I could change a lot about his behaviour or his life cause after all, it is his life that made him become like he is. Some things happened and shaped him and this is tragedy enough. No one would chose this if he could chose. Everyone would chose a happy and fulfilled life and not this one which took so much from him. So I feel sorry for him most of the time and try to make little things better for him if I feel strong enough, even though he won't recognize them most of the time I guess. But caring in a way for a "blind person" is okay for me because this is what I am. And I don't feel very offended by helping someone who is weaker than me and long as it drains not most of my energy. This is there I stop and recharge and call it a day. But not caring at all for a person like him who already pushed away everyone else with his disability to be socially adaptive would only fuel his failed life and this is something I can't stand by doing nothing. As long as I can help a little bit I will help a little bit. I think that his life is tragic enough like it is, being a vulnerable narcissist. No one should feel this alone. So I stand by even if he can't feel me really or get in touch or make a connection. But I am there, from time to time. No one should feel this alone.
They expect you to constantly entertain and please them like they're the only person in the universe. Grown adults.
Sunnivah13 that seems like a pain in the butt tho
I hate when people compare sick adults to children-children are completely dependent, have no control over their environment or the people who care for them, and have not even had time to learn and develop mentally. A twisted ADULT has power, has had time to learn how to guage people so they can push their buttons, and they have the choice and ability to change their environment and the people they are around. We need to stop being such a child-hating society, because payback WILL be a bitch. Those children we've been treating like sh*t because of our own selfishness will be ruling the world, AND staffing the hospitals and nursing homes we'll end up in eventually as old people. And how do you think they will treat us, because we never took time with them, or showed them patience and love? LOL!
hurry up and hire a collage kid wile they still know every f****ing thing. god knows you cant run a business without constant temper tantrums on all fronts.
Very informative. I am a nurse and I have to tip toe around patients who come in to do what I need them to do without taking away their control
In the pit of my stomach this scares me to deal with this person. I feel like there’s no escape.
I feel like there is a way to disarm them.
The only problem with asking a narcissist for advice is that if you don't take their advice, they take it personally, and they attack you for it. Speaking from experience.
Lots of people get upset when another person asks for their advice and doesn't take it. I have always found that a little strange but now I wonder if some of those people were narcissists. Asking someone's advice only means you value their opinion and you want their take on the situation. It doesn't mean that you're going to blindly follow what they say.
@@DLF23 Exactly! But some people take it an invitation to take over your life, and they don't understand why you resist.
IMO, the best way to deal with a narcissist is to be emotionally healthy and self reliant. Once they realise you have healthy self esteem and are not very susceptible to manipulation, they will quickly move on to an easier target.
Of course, there might be situations when you're in a narcissist's way (e.g. at work) and then you need to be very careful to protect yourself.
Yes. Manipulation should only be done to survive whilst extricating yourself from the situation at the earliest available opportunity. After that the goal should be strengthening your own worth and boundaries and never significantly engaging in the first place.
@@goldilocks3593 my thoughts exactly. This sounds like enabling them. This would work to keep peace until u leave.
This is well and clearly said.
I totally agree with this,on point.
SO TRUE!!!
I think this was very insightful as to what makes a narcissistic person tick. The tragic thing about the narcissist is that he/she/they are people who have been traumatised so deeply as children that they repress their true emotions so that they can no longer distinguish a genuine feeling. And they do not trust others. Therefore, as the Doctor points out, any interaction is potentially risky. So I can understand why so many choose to go no contact.
I tease them, turn into jokes whenever possible and ignore their actions and comments, occasionally I am nice to them. I never give in. Trying to keep them in the corner I designated for them. It's not easy but it works. I learnt the hard way that they are not capable to be true friends. They are very good pretenders, they perfected deception, which they meticulously plan well in advance, their life is just a performance. Sadly, sometimes, for your own good, you can not get away from them.
Thanks.... I have a bullying 28 yr. o. Grandson living with me & my husband. My narcissist Mother, I got away from, raised him. She died & I found a relief... a Peace I'd never known, then comes my Grandson living here & behaving just like my Mom. I don't just kick him out because I understand the damage done to him by my Mom, after all, she raised me & ( my twin brother committed suicide 💔 because of our childhood abuse ) . Now, here I am, stuck with a bully 😤. All I want is Peace, so any coping skills are greatly appreciated. I'm learning to emotionally detach & my mantra is; " ITS NOT ABOUT ME, ITS ABOUT HIS ISSUES".. walk away & do something I enjoy.
Then they beat the snot out of you and lock you in a closet. I'm finally recognizing that Grey rock is best.
Dr. Grande does a great job throwing in subtle jokes that the Narc prolly will not get for a while. They usually unconsciously block any true info that they interpret as painful or possibly detrimental to thems. The joke does effect them though. Like a mountain of pebbles sitting on their craven chests.
@@Chaoticcrotchet whats grey rock?
"Corners I designed for them" hahah killer 😅😅
My favorite way to manipulate a narcissist is to start with a headlock...
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This made me laugh so hard, I choked. BRAVO
You said exactly what I was thinking,oh funny.
Don't forget to noogie them in the head while you got em.
They're so annoying that they really deserve it!
LOL! 😁
I find the easiest way to compliment a narcissist sincerely is to wait for them to do something good and then comment on it. It’ll encourage better behavior too.
You’ll find their reasoning is at least MOSTLY selfish no matter what they do, so I think encouraging them to manifest their narcissism in a pro-social manner is the healthiest approach. Especially if you ever witness one of the rare times they’re forced to apologize or tell the truth.
“That was real big of you to come clean like that, man.”
You are so right ;-)
thanks
I don't find that this approach works at all, especially with covert narcissism.
@INERT well that's not what has happened so far so I'm gonna keep it up
@INERT you kinda put my strategy in a vacuum where it's the only strategy being used, which is obviously not going to be the case.
So I don't feel warned.
Ah! Thanks! This talk shed light on why I was verbally attacked by a narc boss, after I expressed empathy w/ an issue she brought up, that gave her some distress. I wasn’t worthy in her eyes to express anything, she believed she was too far above me. She perceived my position as being a low status one, so, how dare I address her. Until now I didn’t get why she reacted w/intense anger to my “support”.
I’ve been in a relationship with a narcissist for 35 years. I was 18 him 27 when we met. He was divorced, had a child. He never had a relationship over 3 years. He wooed me so much at first. Within a month I’m doing his laundry, dishes. At first he bragged about how pretty and smart I was then I was so ugly and dumb. As a young girl I felt I needed to step up and be more “everything” for him. I was very mature for my age and had a very good job with the government. He slowly broke me down where I was so unsure of everything I did. Everything wrong was my fault. He cheated, blamed me for it. We had problems- I kept them to myself -he told everyone. Made me the bad guy. He would ignore me for weeks at a time. Once you realize what is going on and have children it’s harder to get away. We remain married. I just ignore him and call him out every time he tries to play me. He’s lost interest in messing with me much anymore because I don’t care. My marriage was a joke. Just a lonely space now.
Sounds familiar to me.
For me the best way to deal with a narcissist especially in a love relationship, is to detach, move and block their energy as they’ll hold onto to your energy until they find more else where and then drop you like you were meaningless, which you were to them. Energy vampires do not change.
@lee Edwards ty. Needed that.
Energy vampires. I'm gonna use that. :O
There's a great book "Celestine Prophecy" that describes the different ways certain personalities in relation to your energies insofar as whether they share energy, steal energy or give energy
Yea detaching emotionally from them while acting like you haven't works wonders. They think everything is still the same but inside is a little secret called detachment and peace 🙂 even acting like things still upset you so that they don't suspect youve actually detached lol works great for self peace and a wonderful personal secret 😄
100%
I have found the pain inflicted too intense to imagine praising at this point.
I am in the same boat. I cannot even IMAGINE enabling his abuse.
Tara 907 why are you still married to this man? Kids? Sorry to ask a personal question, I’m just curious as to your reasoning.
I once had a narcissist boss, who made my life hell. I realised that I had to get out of the job or I would become seriously sick, both physically and mentally. I used these manipulation techniques instinctively (I had grown up with a narcissist older brother and I had learned it as a way to survive childhood). You feel disgusted with yourself for being dishonest and enabling, but I used it to buy time while I found a way out of the job. It was particularly difficult to get out, as the boss was very wealthy and bought the loyalty of other people in the organisation, and even some of my friends, so I had almost no support from them in a smallish town where he had a lot of influence. The narcissist boss enjoyed my enabling so much that, after I left, he used to ring me out of the blue every now and then to try to lure me back to working for him, choosing times of the day when he thought I would be tired and more susceptible. He was highly intelligent and had studied psychological sales techniques which he tried to use to manipulate me into returning, but fortunately I could see through it.
Whew. I'm glad you picked up on it. All those flying monkeys makes it extra hard.
"This company would fall apart without you " I'm going to try to use that compliment
"It's sad that others would treat you so poorly; they can't see how great you are." - I think I just puked a little in my mouth.
Have a narcissistic boss. She admires herself and twirls to check herself out in the mirror. Very verbally abusive. Have to avoid as much contact as possible. If I can find another job, I'm gone. She's a classic narcissist.
@@gusgrizzel8397 wowwwwwww. That’s scary 😟
@@gusgrizzel8397 she has to keep looking in the mirror so she can convince herself she is not ugly as she knows she is on the inside and that hopefully no one see’s the witch within 😂
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Also:
"If I were as smart, attractive, powerful and skilled as you, I would be confident too" 🤢🤮
In an unavoidable relationship with a narcissist in my life I need tools not to manipulate, but to avoid giving my power away. It’s sad that one has to consider power dynamics but I’m tired of feeling manipulated myself.
Kids together…. 🤔 Do what’s best For You/ put your self first ( and 80% first ever before the kids) and that will be best for the kids too.
Some People do everything for there children 👧 and neglect them self. That’s terrible for the children 👦.
A parent Depression anxiety Panic attacks no motivation = 👧👦sad
On the other hand 🖐 a fit healthy productive parent = 👦👧 happy
@@jr5389 I couldn't do this because my ex covertly threatened the children's lives and made it clear what he was capable of, but he was so deceptive it wasn't something I could prove. He would deny it hotly. He sounded so sincere and reasonable. I had to wait until they were much older and even then it was very dangerous and harmed them, but by then it was do or die. The legal system favours these evildoers. It was very scary getting out and it has had horrible repercussions, including financially, but also brought some peace, although I am still in trauma. My children have been further traumatized by the permissions to further harm them he was legally provided.
As a victim of a narcissist, I felt re-vistimized by this video. Please, if you co-live or are too exposed with no way out, don't do any of these recommendations. It is probably what you have found yourself saying and doing all these years, at some point without believing any word, but just to survive and to calm the narc down. Believe me, saying any of these thing to your narc is making your blod pressure spike, your heart rate lose control, and you suffer inside. This is killing you slowly. You need to stop ignoring everything you want to say and saying everything they want to hear just to put the rage down. The way I "manipulated" my way out of having to interact with a narc every day of my life was to start doing to them what they were doing to me. Break the rules they imposed on you and then deny and be angry at them. Forget the insult you just told them - say it is their memory that is wrong. Tell them they are lying and you did no do/say whatever you just said. And then do/say everything you want. Feel the liberty. They deflect, you deflect. They say they are hurt, you are hurt. They say it is your fault, you change topic and then get upset at them for some ridiculous unrelated reason. State your truth to their face over and over and over again. Do not let them get away with creating their truth about what happened and making you believe you don't remember well. From now on, your memory is the best in town and they are, be default and always, lying.
And try not to laugh and take yourself seriusly (you will feel ridiculous at doing this). If your narc is like mine, you can pull off doing all of the shit in the book of narcs to them and they will be completely, utterly off tracks. You will be surprisingly safe and gradually you will earn their respect.
At work, you are not so exposed. Still, even in that context, I recommend stating the truth over and over and to everybody and all the time. The thing about the truth is that whatever is said the most is what people will start believing. Make it clear that nobody is walking all over you anymore and that messing up with you comes with consequences. Defend yourseld with teeth and nails.
You are awesome! I don’t think I could be that good of an actress. I would start laughing at how ridiculous I’m behaving.
This was so so helpful that to deal with a narcissist is to gaslight and inflate their ego this is not how most people would want to deal with that
This is exactly how my narc mother insisted that I treat her. EXACTLY. No contact was the healthiest thing I've ever done for myself and my kids.
my father is a narcissist... he doesnt even realises it and is emotionally very dangerous ...
My mother in law checks every box. I try to interact as little as possible with her but when I do I am sure to never question her or disagree with her. I used to attempt to insist on reality but it would just result in her blowing up on me and saying horrible things. I have decided it isn’t worth it.
Good for you! II did the same, no contact with
my mother, after a whole life of stroking her ego, I'm 58 now and went no contact this year, finally ❤.
“The narcissist says something, it may be intelligent....or not.” You may not have intended this statement to be humorous, but it made me laugh. 😂
This entire video was so petty & subtle. He's hilarious
That’s my fav with his videos
There is a person very close to me who has issues with people frequently, always feeling victimized and angry about things that they either invented in their head, or are small day to day things. This person will get angry with me or just be generally rude and difficult to be around and if I ever say anything, they will always be the victim. They will turn any conversation around into something being my fault, even if we are talking about something that doesn't have to do with me. They are snarky and standoffish and short tempered yet at the same time ultra sensitive and passive (but often passive aggressive). I used to try to talk to this person and try to assert myself and stand up for myself but I realized over time that it didn't matter what I said they would always have the same response. It is at the point where I can predict how they will respond in any situation. I was miserable for so long because I live with this person. So, I started not participating at all when they started in with their bad moods. I just would stay away from them. Not respond. Not engage at all. And wow does that work. I highly recommend it. I don't necessarily like stonewalling a person, but I also don't like walking on eggshells in my own home for no reason. So, for anyone struggling I recommend not to engage. They want you to engage because they want power over you. So, when you don't engage it takes it all away. It's really amazing.
I also use the empathizing with them technique too. That always works.
Not every one can keep no contact with them
So this video is so helpful thank you
My two takeaways from this video:
1) BS someone who doesn't care about you.
2) To gain a narcissist's admiration, you have to be a narcissist as well.
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No one wants their admonition. Lol bc then you have to be shallow and empty and who wants to be like that ewww
Sorry I'm not or don't wanna be them
I agree ..you have to beat them at their own game by being more narcissistic just a cleverer version
More narcissistic? Ew. Who has time to lower themselves to be who is acting in an embaressing way! Lol dumbest shit evvverrr
It's for protecting people who have no choice but to live w them
I actually loved this vid but the thought of saying this stuff makes me wanna vomit ❤
@Siobhan Fogarty nah
Hide my disdain and disgust? Nah. He has already destroyed my career, reputation, life. I have nothing to lose at this point. He needs to go.
sarah vand Only to save your life from his rage!!!
@@Rhetor305 in your case, yes
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The best way I’ve found to deal with any narcissist is to keep them “contained” in a situation. Think about a playground with swings, slide, merrygoround, sandbox. As long as I keep the narc in the sandbox he or she can’t cause havoc on others in the playground. This is how I manage the situation at work. I’m not trying to beat the narc, but limit their damage to others.
This is an interesting comment. Would be really helpful if you could explain it. Maybe its something I could use. Please
I get where you're coming from, but this is an example of why narcissists always win, is that you now devote a major amount of your time to tending to their mental wellbeing in exchange for a few moments of relief. I used to live with one it was the worst shit
Its good to see you're still in the game Doc. 1.3M subscribers ... WOW. The tragedy of this presentation is the depth to which you had to descend in order to navigate interactions with narcissists. Seems to me they "win" in all of these venues because it is the victim who must adjust his behaviors in order to achieve whatever success he/she is seeking from the exchange. And the narcissist walks away feeling better about himself, even though those feelings were generated with false motives.
that would imply narcissists with feelings, aside from no rest for the wicked.