From an older chubby guy to you, my friend. Lose the weight NOW. I wouldn’t wish the health problems I have been dealing with in anyone. Do yourself and your family a favour and get with a trainer or someone to help you get healthy. We want to see you maing content for DECADES to come. Love your style and attitude, and I don’t want you to suffer like I have. Best of luck in the new year!!!
@@unknown-eu5ed Smoking doesn't matter. I smoked for years and stopping did nothing. Diet was way more important. Carnivore now, lost over 40kg in 5 months, feeling better than ever, feeling 15 years younger. There's so, so much bad food out there. Barely worked out as well.
Glad to see you smiling….Hope your Ferrari get resolved ASAP….Hope this Gumball experience doesn’t put you off for next year Gumball….Enjoy time with your family…
Came to know about you through DDE, so only a recent viewer, but have loved all your Gumball videos, and I'm no gambler but I do actually appreciate how often in the videos you point out the dangers of gambling when you're talking about how you enjoy it. Underated morals right there
Am I a Car Guy? - No Am I a Watch Guy - No Did I watch ALL the GUMBALL Rally stuff - YES!! Great content and goes to show present it well and give people good content you’ll get fans from everywhere
I prefer Nico and Mr JWW to DDE. I used to watch them all the time, but now it seems to be all clickbait and I’m over it. This video was great as Nico lead us through the watch shops and the different watch people in the hotel, along with updates on that POS Ferrari (breaks my heart to say that) and other stuff he’s got going on.
@@ajdipota if you rate the video depending on its title you kind of weird but aight... yeah they do clickbait ( damon ), but the videos are still great if not better. Just grow up dude
I have every right to my opinion as you have to yours. I did not attack anyone like you just did. I simply said that I preferred Mr JWW and Nico, and was kinda over DDE. I don’t think you needed to tell me to grow up.
Nico, I love you and your channel !! You always have great commentary.. And you are so passonate in every thing you set out to do. I believe you do these things for your beautiful family and your subscribers. I wish all the love for you and your family. I pray you can sort out your Ferrari .Be safe and have a wonderful life !!! ( South Florida Filipino )
I am already fired up to see you drive in the next Gumball 3000, Thank you for everything Nico! Much love and support from your Argentinean biggest fan!
I totally believe that spending an afternoon with Nico, would be highly entertaining as well as HIGHLY INFORMATIVE at the same time. I wish I knew you Nico personally.
Nico, you hit the nail on the head; Those kids. Kids are why we do what we do as fathers, when everything is stripped back. Keep doing your thing. All the glamour and pazzaz aside, whether its a ferrari or a focus, watches or selling newspapers. Family is what its about. You're a good man with a good heart. Hope the Ferrari comes good in the end. Looking forward to your next adventure in Gumball
Been doing watch repair / restoration videos for 7 years and still waiting to blow up…(never happen). Lots of respect for you mate given you started out by repairing watches. Enjoy your success - I will keep dreaming.
Hey Nico, I watched the video of you talking about how you grew up and everything. In the video you broke down and cried. I just wanna say I appreciate you understand where you’re coming from and keep up the good work hopefully one day I will be able to meet you love ya
Sorry Nick abt the experience I literally saw the pain in your eyes when your car gave you problems and it broke my heart because I love to see you at your happiest. apart from that I hope the rest was a wonderful experience and you will continue taking part in the Gumball Rally, I do wish one day it could come to Africa, more hopefully in South Africa, Love your content
Your content was entertaining and a bit full of anxiety and stress because of that damn Ferrari. We all felt your pain when you had that meltdown in the van with your boys and max. We all see that proof that it's an electrical manufacturer defect. And it's sad to see how Ferrari won't acknowledge the problem. It's nice to see you ,jww, and dde all together. I hope you had an amazing time and looking forward to more car content.
Nico, you’re an absolute madman/ legend. You were beyond stressed out with the 812 and you kept your sanity and made it to the finish line. Glad you have some family time with that amazing family of yours. You are blessed big guy!
You're killing it with the content Nico keep it up and don't let Ferrari give you any crap over that car it's not your fault or anything you did to that car
I watch people I think I’d hang out with. This guy and I would have a blast!!! I’ll always make sure you’re getting my view bud!!! Your god tier for sure
Hey mate, I heard you mention Longines - I picked up the conquest maybe 6 years ago and put it trough the absolute ringer the likes of which doesn’t belong on RUclips unless you ever want to reach out and have a fun chat haha but anyways hope you’re recovering well from gumbsll - much love from NYC ❤
You’re an inspiration for my hopefully one day amazing family, wife, daughter and business Nico! Thanks for sharing this side of yourself and definitely looking forward to these kind of videos too!
NICO MY BROTHER, YOU SIR ARE AWESOME. I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU. YOU'RE THE MOST HUMBLE, DOWN TO EARTH, RUclipsR I'VE EVER SEEN. DON'T EVER CHANGE MY GUY!! SENDING POSITIVE VIBES AND LOVE FROM CANADA 👍💯🇨🇦♥️🙏
Great to see you with your family and enjoying. Your watch knowledge is amazing. Love your channel. Need more fun with the guys in future episodes. Thank you 🙏 😎😎😎👍👍👍
Nico I watched every single episode you posted and to see you actually get through Asia like that in your ferrari inspired me so much I think your channel is great and I look forward to watching more a special build for hypedrop would be amazing for the next gumball start shopping for another car now!
Glad to see, that more people has gathered up, to get Ferrari down from the high horse. Best of luck, and a pleasure to see you and the famely spending some real quality time, after the Gumball 3000. Also nice to hear you talking about more watch related stuff. Keep 'em comming Nico.
Hi Nico, I've waited to leave a comment. But now everything is behind about the gumball 3000 tour. Except all the worries that left behind and need to deal afterwards. I watched all videos and can say that it's so great to see you from working your ass off and be able to live your dream. And make those wonderful goals. It was a Rollercoaster ride to see the footage of gumball. And you growing on the youtube side as well. Looking forward to see more. Take care and keep up the great work ✌️ 👊🏼🍀
Nico, Great to see you after Gumball and being with the family. Enjoy your TIME with them and such a beautiful room. I use to wear watch all the time and then the phone came out. Well you are encouraging me to start to look for one and get back to wearing one. Wishing you well and the family and safe travels and hope to see the Ferrari back home soon fixed and running problem free. Take Care!
Nico Leonard Uncut Great Video I'm glad you had a great time with your Family at the Atlantis Hotel's Grand Atlantis Suite and I'm sorry to hear that your 812 GTS missed the ship because it wouldn't start and I think you should definitely show more of the BTS of your life
Hi Nico, Just want to say that I really enjoyed all your video about doing the GUNBALL 3000, honestly I felt your pain and just loved when thing were going right for. As an Irish man myself I am really proud of everything that you have done and yes your family are the most important thing in life and to see your gorgeous family with you in DUBAI is just fantastic. all the very best for your future my friend.
You have a beautiful family to be proud of. Respect your working hard to provide for them. Love watching your content as you are such a genuine loveable guy. That appreciates his viewers.
Love u Nico!! U are pure energy and add so much great content!! With you and all of your family , dde,Mr jww, Matt armstrong, and all the rest u being a good partner on there videos makes everything so much better!! Just love seeing you in your own videos and love any time you collaborate with any other of the great u tubers!! I love the gumball watch!! And loved all of your journey through your gumball journey!! I hope u had an amazing time!! Even though car was not the best it could've been!! Thanks for everything you share with all of us!! Love watching everything you do!!! Thanks again Nico!! Dor sharing your life with us!!!
Sorry for all the issues you had but Im glad you hung in there and saw the rally to the end. Im sure even with all the car problems, it was an experience of a lifetime.
Nico I loved the dde video of you showing the prototype watch box with the"dust" and the bag of just some powdered sugar that dave smacked off the glass table LMAO you are one of the bros for sure one day we will hang out man
I will guess the reason you decided to take your family away for this short holiday in such a wonderful surroundings is you caring for sharing special times with your family who supported your ability to be a boy within the boys club of the gumball rally environment. This shows billy how much you return your appreciation to your family and make the thoughtful effort to bring everyone together in appreciation for their support
Gumball baptism by fire. Everything possible went wrong. Hopefully now you got it all out of the way, now next time everything will go better. On the plus side you can flex on others "Oh yeh well, let me tell you about the Anniversary Gumball."
Never knew that 'A. Lange & Söhne' was a recognizable and international brand, i knew they were known in Germany and especially in my region, since i live not too far away from their HQ. Nice insight and makes me a bit more proud :D
Hey Nico no matter right now enjoy your time with your family and find time to relax, and now not stress out. You just went through 3 weeks of stress feeled of everyday driving. You made the finish line in one piece. So take your time to get your mind back to good. You did a fantastic job on the GB watches. I wish I could afford your watches because I don’t feel right with a watch on. Keep up the great good work Nico.
Nico is a GOD TIER LEGEND nothing but love and respect for this man. Inspirational and motivational man 🎉🎉😂🎉🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️❤️150k for a trip of a lifetime meeting the people and connecting with all the people in gumball3000 and that watch it the charity money raised alll priceless
A down-to-earth video Nico, I just had to auction my Tag watch because of bills that needed paying but not in your league. Mine's a Rolex when I win the lottery haha. Shame about the Ferrari it's a lovely car!
You’re more than just watches, you are a great personality and should continue doing more vids outside of watches! (I can’t afford any of your watch’s so it’s hard getting into that)
Whats your thoughts on Tag Heuer? I love the collaboration with F1 from years ago and stuck with me until adulthood, sometimes memories and heritage goes more than a "fashionable" following, love your content and always follow your journey 😀👍
From an older chubby guy to you, my friend. Lose the weight NOW. I wouldn’t wish the health problems I have been dealing with in anyone. Do yourself and your family a favour and get with a trainer or someone to help you get healthy. We want to see you maing content for DECADES to come. Love your style and attitude, and I don’t want you to suffer like I have. Best of luck in the new year!!!
Him smoking doesn't help either.
I died twice because of my weight problems, it’s a serious matter
The only wealth is health
@@unknown-eu5ed Smoking doesn't matter. I smoked for years and stopping did nothing. Diet was way more important. Carnivore now, lost over 40kg in 5 months, feeling better than ever, feeling 15 years younger. There's so, so much bad food out there. Barely worked out as well.
@@DeejayJeanPcarnivor now 😂 get your bloodwork done and report back on its health.
Bit sad to see the end of the gumball content , cracking viewing mate keep it up bro
Nico, your videos were great. I really enjoyed watching you finish the rally.
Thank you so so much!!
Glad to see you smiling….Hope your Ferrari get resolved ASAP….Hope this Gumball experience doesn’t put you off for next year Gumball….Enjoy time with your family…
Came to know about you through DDE, so only a recent viewer, but have loved all your Gumball videos, and I'm no gambler but I do actually appreciate how often in the videos you point out the dangers of gambling when you're talking about how you enjoy it. Underated morals right there
Am I a Car Guy? - No
Am I a Watch Guy - No
Did I watch ALL the GUMBALL Rally stuff - YES!!
Great content and goes to show present it well and give people good content you’ll get fans from everywhere
Congratulations Nico on your success so far. You family is beautiful, and its nice to see you getting to spend time with them in Dubai
You, Mr. JWW and DDE makes youtube great!
I prefer Nico and Mr JWW to DDE. I used to watch them all the time, but now it seems to be all clickbait and I’m over it. This video was great as Nico lead us through the watch shops and the different watch people in the hotel, along with updates on that POS Ferrari (breaks my heart to say that) and other stuff he’s got going on.
No mention of Shmee,Shmee ,oh yes the chicken that didn't wanna go coz he's beefing with Dde?👇👎👎🙈🙈💀😬💀💀💀🤡🤡🤡🤡🤝🇬🇧🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
@@ajdipota if you rate the video depending on its title you kind of weird but aight... yeah they do clickbait ( damon ), but the videos are still great if not better. Just grow up dude
I have every right to my opinion as you have to yours. I did not attack anyone like you just did. I simply said that I preferred Mr JWW and Nico, and was kinda over DDE. I don’t think you needed to tell me to grow up.
@@ajdipota yep same here when it came to the gumball I didn't watch a full dde video found Nico much more funny and no over hyped drama.
Nico, I love you and your channel !! You always have great commentary.. And you
are so passonate in every thing you set out to do. I believe you do these things for your
beautiful family and your subscribers. I wish all the love for you and your family.
I pray you can sort out your Ferrari .Be safe and have a wonderful life !!!
( South Florida Filipino )
I am already fired up to see you drive in the next Gumball 3000, Thank you for everything Nico! Much love and support from your Argentinean biggest fan!
Next time, bring a Porsche!!
You are such a humble person especially for a RUclipsr. Keep up the great work.
Humble? he just gambled, lost 3000 in less than one minute without any emotion????
Great to see you in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Nico. God Tier
Love it in KL, gonna go back asap!
I totally believe that spending an afternoon with Nico, would be highly entertaining as well as HIGHLY INFORMATIVE at the same time. I wish I knew you Nico personally.
Nico I found you do to the Gumball and saw your heart and soul in bringing your journeys to use all in full details. Subscriber for life !
Nice vid Nico! Wonderful hotel room tour there.. keep them comin!
Nico, you hit the nail on the head; Those kids. Kids are why we do what we do as fathers, when everything is stripped back. Keep doing your thing. All the glamour and pazzaz aside, whether its a ferrari or a focus, watches or selling newspapers. Family is what its about. You're a good man with a good heart. Hope the Ferrari comes good in the end. Looking forward to your next adventure in Gumball
Been doing watch repair / restoration videos for 7 years and still waiting to blow up…(never happen).
Lots of respect for you mate given you started out by repairing watches.
Enjoy your success - I will keep dreaming.
You have 80k subs, for a watch repair/restoration I would say u doing great
@@matisssvehs5094 it’s not bad don’t get me wrong but the biggest channel is 850,000 and many others 200-300k . I was doing it all before them!
So glad you finished the rally was hoping you would especially with the other guys. Keep it up 👍
Hey Nico, I watched the video of you talking about how you grew up and everything. In the video you broke down and cried. I just wanna say I appreciate you understand where you’re coming from and keep up the good work hopefully one day I will be able to meet you love ya
Nico legend as always your Gumball videos was class highs n the lows ❤
Sorry Nick abt the experience I literally saw the pain in your eyes when your car gave you problems and it broke my heart because I love to see you at your happiest. apart from that I hope the rest was a wonderful experience and you will continue taking part in the Gumball Rally, I do wish one day it could come to Africa, more hopefully in South Africa, Love your content
We love you Nico! Keep the videos up, I look forward to them. I love the watch content, car content and just you content!
Your content was entertaining and a bit full of anxiety and stress because of that damn Ferrari. We all felt your pain when you had that meltdown in the van with your boys and max. We all see that proof that it's an electrical manufacturer defect. And it's sad to see how Ferrari won't acknowledge the problem. It's nice to see you ,jww, and dde all together. I hope you had an amazing time and looking forward to more car content.
Thanks Nico, keep grinding bud. Inspiring for us regular folk. 🎉
9:48 The boy takes after his dad. I'm sure Nico has entered many cars that same way as an adult! 🤣🤣🤣
Nico, you’re an absolute madman/ legend. You were beyond stressed out with the 812 and you kept your sanity and made it to the finish line. Glad you have some family time with that amazing family of yours. You are blessed big guy!
It is SO good to see the old Nico back. Gumball, I know was a major stress time for you and just glad to see you back to the same ol'HappyGuy! Cheers!
Nico, you make yourself look good for the way you are...down to earth, kind, thoughtful. We are here because of you.
0:46 never stop being you. You have to be one of the most earnest people on YT.
If you wanna get him to put down and give you the binky poke a hole in the bottom of it.
Im not a watch person...my apple smart watch is enough for me, but as a sports car guy I'm here to watch your videos.
You're killing it with the content Nico keep it up and don't let Ferrari give you any crap over that car it's not your fault or anything you did to that car
Glad to see you finish, and thanks for bringing us along! Sad to see the problems with the car.. Hopefully it will get sorted!
Doing great Nico
Happy the family got to take a vacation and spend some time with you! That suite was crazy!
Great to see you back, we missed your posts.
I watch people I think I’d hang out with. This guy and I would have a blast!!! I’ll always make sure you’re getting my view bud!!! Your god tier for sure
Keep doing what you’re doing, brother love the RUclips channel❤🎉
Hey mate, I heard you mention Longines - I picked up the conquest maybe 6 years ago and put it trough the absolute ringer the likes of which doesn’t belong on RUclips unless you ever want to reach out and have a fun chat haha but anyways hope you’re recovering well from gumbsll - much love from NYC ❤
You’re an inspiration for my hopefully one day amazing family, wife, daughter and business Nico! Thanks for sharing this side of yourself and definitely looking forward to these kind of videos too!
It's never boring to see a good man be a great father, your an inspiration Nico, much love Nico....
NICO MY BROTHER, YOU SIR ARE AWESOME. I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU. YOU'RE THE MOST HUMBLE, DOWN TO EARTH, RUclipsR I'VE EVER SEEN. DON'T EVER CHANGE MY GUY!! SENDING POSITIVE VIBES AND LOVE FROM CANADA 👍💯🇨🇦♥️🙏
Great to see you with your family and enjoying.
Your watch knowledge is amazing.
Love your channel.
Need more fun with the guys in future episodes.
Thank you 🙏
😎😎😎👍👍👍
Nico I watched every single episode you posted and to see you actually get through Asia like that in your ferrari inspired me so much I think your channel is great and I look forward to watching more a special build for hypedrop would be amazing for the next gumball start shopping for another car now!
Hang in there, Nico. Sorry you had and have to go through all the headaches.
❤️
Nico you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs at the moment, keep it up.
Much love from Portugal
Glad to see, that more people has gathered up, to get Ferrari down from the high horse.
Best of luck, and a pleasure to see you and the famely spending some real quality time, after the Gumball 3000.
Also nice to hear you talking about more watch related stuff.
Keep 'em comming Nico.
Really enjoyed the gumball content. Keep up the great work!!
jij bent wel het perfecte voorbeeld als je wil kan alles .. blijf zo door gaan goos !
You’re great nico. I loved watching your experience in gumball. Also, I loved your guest appearance with josh at Disneyland…holy crap that was funny ❤
Loving the content! Keep it going, keep smashing life, and really hope you get the Ferrari sorted
Hi Nico, I've waited to leave a comment. But now everything is behind about the gumball 3000 tour. Except all the worries that left behind and need to deal afterwards. I watched all videos and can say that it's so great to see you from working your ass off and be able to live your dream. And make those wonderful goals. It was a Rollercoaster ride to see the footage of gumball. And you growing on the youtube side as well. Looking forward to see more. Take care and keep up the great work ✌️ 👊🏼🍀
100K viewers in 12 hr gratz Nico love the video keep it up!
Nico you are crazily funny glad to see you enjoying family again
Glad to see happy hyper Nico back. Let's GO!!!
Nico, Great to see you after Gumball and being with the family. Enjoy your TIME with them and such a beautiful room. I use to wear watch all the time and then the phone came out. Well you are encouraging me to start to look for one and get back to wearing one. Wishing you well and the family and safe travels and hope to see the Ferrari back home soon fixed and running problem free. Take Care!
Thanks for sharing your experiences! Through your lens it’s a fun watch!
Nico Leonard Uncut Great Video I'm glad you had a great time with your Family at the Atlantis Hotel's Grand Atlantis Suite and I'm sorry to hear that your 812 GTS missed the ship because it wouldn't start and I think you should definitely show more of the BTS of your life
Hi Nico,
Just want to say that I really enjoyed all your video about doing the GUNBALL 3000, honestly I felt your pain and just loved when thing were going right for. As an Irish man myself I am really proud of everything that you have done and yes your family are the most important thing in life and to see your gorgeous family with you in DUBAI is just fantastic. all the very best for your future my friend.
You have a beautiful family to be proud of. Respect your working hard to provide for them. Love watching your content as you are such a genuine loveable guy. That appreciates his viewers.
Big dog, keep being a hero. Love the content. Some day I’m defo goin into the shop for a look.
30 minute video where time just flew by. Loved watching your videos.
youre the man brother, i hope it all works out! you deserve the best
Awesome! Thanks very much for sharing Nico. The
best to you and your dear family. Lord be praised!
Gumball videos were brilliant and excellent entertainment
Love u Nico!! U are pure energy and add so much great content!! With you and all of your family , dde,Mr jww, Matt armstrong, and all the rest u being a good partner on there videos makes everything so much better!! Just love seeing you in your own videos and love any time you collaborate with any other of the great u tubers!! I love the gumball watch!! And loved all of your journey through your gumball journey!! I hope u had an amazing time!! Even though car was not the best it could've been!! Thanks for everything you share with all of us!! Love watching everything you do!!! Thanks again Nico!! Dor sharing your life with us!!!
I normally give you a hard time specially about the cars, however this was a great video very much enjoyed it. Keep it going mate....
Stay humble bro. Love the energy.
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Nico, Your are so blessed. Looks like your son is almost as tall as you are. BTW, total fan here. and ONLY WISH YOU THE BEST!
Sorry for all the issues you had but Im glad you hung in there and saw the rally to the end. Im sure even with all the car problems, it was an experience of a lifetime.
Nico I loved the dde video of you showing the prototype watch box with the"dust" and the bag of just some powdered sugar that dave smacked off the glass table LMAO you are one of the bros for sure one day we will hang out man
I will guess the reason you decided to take your family away for this short holiday in such a wonderful surroundings is you caring for sharing special times with your family who supported your ability to be a boy within the boys club of the gumball rally environment.
This shows billy how much you return your appreciation to your family and make the thoughtful effort to bring everyone together in appreciation for their support
Nico, good to see you back with your family and enjoying your downtime
Gumball baptism by fire. Everything possible went wrong. Hopefully now you got it all out of the way, now next time everything will go better. On the plus side you can flex on others "Oh yeh well, let me tell you about the Anniversary Gumball."
Your content is really good, very authentic!
Nico great videos look forward to next year Gumball take care
Never knew that 'A. Lange & Söhne' was a recognizable and international brand, i knew they were known in Germany and especially in my region, since i live not too far away from their HQ. Nice insight and makes me a bit more proud :D
Yes, they are world-renowned and quite popular in the USA!
Hey Nico no matter right now enjoy your time with your family and find time to relax, and now not stress out. You just went through 3 weeks of stress feeled of everyday driving. You made the finish line in one piece. So take your time to get your mind back to good. You did a fantastic job on the GB watches. I wish I could afford your watches because I don’t feel right with a watch on. Keep up the great good work Nico.
Nico is a GOD TIER LEGEND nothing but love and respect for this man. Inspirational and motivational man 🎉🎉😂🎉🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️❤️150k for a trip of a lifetime meeting the people and connecting with all the people in gumball3000 and that watch it the charity money raised alll priceless
Hi Nico! My brother is coming to Belfast to race cars this coming week. We would love to see you there if you’re available! Love the vids 💪
Your a solid guy and I really enjoy watching your blogs. Your a legend!
Love this channel Nico. You are a legend mate! 🙌
Your energy is awesome loving your content keep it up !!!
Dude you are so humble, much love to you, p.s getting me into watches now HAHAHA
Nico you are a Legend mate cheers from AUSTRALIA 🙏❤️👍👍😀😀
Cannot wait to see your beautiful country!
Your journey is beyond inspiring.
Never change Nico! Great guy!
Thank you for being you Nico!!!
Much love
A down-to-earth video Nico, I just had to auction my Tag watch because of bills that needed paying but not in your league. Mine's a Rolex when I win the lottery haha. Shame about the Ferrari it's a lovely car!
Nicco you are truly a legend legendary journey and videos keep it up
I'm so glad I found you from DDE and I love your content and very exciting too
Nico did you supply the Gumball watches? Great insight by the way thank you!
Casio come on give Nico his own watch😭 I’ve heard this man call Casio god tier for years. W kids brother nice vacation for the family.
your a genuine dude bro people support that 💯
We like that you tell it how it is.
love your content nico great guy you are just great yourself greetings from the netherlands
You’re more than just watches, you are a great personality and should continue doing more vids outside of watches! (I can’t afford any of your watch’s so it’s hard getting into that)
Whats your thoughts on Tag Heuer? I love the collaboration with F1 from years ago and stuck with me until adulthood, sometimes memories and heritage goes more than a "fashionable" following, love your content and always follow your journey 😀👍
Nico was everywhere, and the people were all super nice . Super 🤦♂️👍
Following you since I saw tag along with JWW in the USA ... having a watch channel was a bonus
Ferrari spends more on cease and desist letters and denying service than quality control.
No wonder a tractor builder hated them!!