heteronormativity is hilarious to me. they're SO SCARED of being called gay because they can't just be individuals. they feel like if they become gay theyll become ONE OF THEM "bro bro hear me out im not GAY or anything that's weird i just kissed him for these TWO HOT CHICKS ya know i didnt actually want to kiss the guy trust me I REALLY DIDNT OK I REALLY DIDNT WANNA KISS HIM YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME GUYS D;"
I loved that both groypers felt inclined to start off both chats defending playdates with catboys. Like, this is the most important issue. The Catboy Question.
Because Fuentes is literally their lord and savior. Any slight into his character is a personal attack on them. The guy has literally built a cult of personality around himself.
@@kevinjohnanand Exactly, because lying about a person being a sex worker doesn't matter, spreading lies about Fuentes flying him over to America, and various other details doesn't amount to a cult of personality in itself. Vaush is a pathological liar at best, you're the one who is indoctrinated.
"lol, I probably am a bit of a Nazi I guess" 3min later: "maybe I shouldn't have my opinions be influence by random stuff I read online" Wtf am I watching here?
I'm well after the video uploaded, so I'll post this here. There is a difference between paleoconservatism and Neo-Nazism; Almost all Nazis are paleocons, but not all paleocons are Nazis. Paleocons believe in moral traditionalism, tough immigration laws, protectionism, and isolationism. Nazis believe in these things, but add the attribution of Jewish influence to the societal issues they have a problem with. I guess you could say it's a square and rectangle thing.
"Nick and myself are not for an ethnostate." "I want America to have a group of people that is dominant. Which are are the native Americans--- the European settlers--- it's not about color, it's more complicated than--" What a Ron Weasly little liar, dude.
@@dvnmaycry Yes. His training, is interesting to watch. The conversation I want to have is why, in this space and time, appearing to have no emotions is considered the ultimate achievement, the perfection of the debating craft? I have a theory but I really wonder why that is.
Dude literally just today said that Washington DC is a great melting pot of evil because it has "BLM, homosexuals, politicians, rich liberal females" in it and that walking to it feels like walking into occupied territory if you are "a white male." But yea.. sure he's not a homophobic nazi or anything.
Only at the 30 minute mark, but that guy reminded me of that Innuendo Studios video where at each level of descending into fascism you do think the people at the next level are just meming. Seems like he's not full on JQ yet, but that he has started to accept the JQ isn't just memes.
@@AlternateKek I don't think you're a JQer but you are a Cookie Questioner. You said so yourself. Let me be clear that the _only_ reason I don't think you're a JQer is, you don't even know what the JQ _is._ You haven't evolved the capacity to understand the JQ. Therefore, you can't actually subscribe to it.
The way the first guy in response to being asked if he's a nazi just goes ''Maybe a liiiiiittle haha!'' is both hilarious and terrifying, HOW IS IT THIS FLIPPANT.
I genuinely think this is just the most criticism his beliefs had ever been challenged and he was kind of just giving them to Vaush for him to destroy. Kinda Socratic you know?
"By your definition, I'M probably a homophobe" "Is gay people adopting OK?" "I mean it does make me kinda uncomfortable" Gee dude I wonder why the definition would include you, of all people.
@@leogorgone4414 No I agree with the Austrian school because time after time again the Keynesian idea of artificially stimulating the economy when it's not doing so great doesn't work! Lowering interest rates is just going to create a bubble like how it has always done. In a functioning economy you need people to save their money and lowering interest rates is going to stop people from doing that. Encouraging people to just spend spend spend isn't how you achieve long term prosperity.
Leo Gorgone The philosophy works at creating the best possible society. Perfect? No. But far better than standing for nothing but nihilism and decadence. See how what you believe in, is not attainable? That at some point, most people want to stand for something? The easiest thing in life, is to say we should all have unlimited personal freedoms.
Why don't they think for like a second they can't because they are uncomfortable that everything they have learned is wrong it makes them go into denial I used to be in that position.
@@adonizi Oh yeah the kill stream where there are 3 hosts to dogpile him don't make me cringe, Nick can't have a 1 on 1 cause he is a coward who can step outta his comfort zone.
@@adonizi One person being neutral doesn't mean anything to me when 2 others are not, besides why can't Nick 1 on 1 him if Nick is so confident he should have no problems doing it.
@@adonizi But the Kill stream isn't neutral though you said one person was neutral outta 3 people that's not a neutral setting man, never heard of the other one though so I can't comment.
@@dantealighieri8403 even better, you can bring up weakest debates from other people that "share" (although it is not that important truly or not) the opinion on the topic of the debate.
whenever people discuss music black folks have developed, I'm sad that funk is never really brought up. I know it's an extension of rock music, but it truly is a black medium. Everytime someone is like "rock music is a white person thing" please just point them to Rick James, George Clinton, earth wind and fire, etc. also, it was one of the first times black people could express their sexuality, which is super cool. so it would be cool if that was brought up in a debate or something
@@edwuncleriii1922 It might have been on her part. I'm just saying it had that sort of energy. All he could get out, it seemed, was an annoyed "Debating!"
"I don't hate homosexuals, I'm fine with them. I live in illinois, I can't walk five feet without talking to a gay person." "Ok, are you ok with two gay men adopting a child?" "..." I actually spit out my drink. Thanks for that .
Hope the first guy can get out his ideology! I’m ex-right wing too, would love to see him here. I’m sure all of Vaush’s supporters would love him as a comrade.
@@christie8493 he's not joking. He later made a comment that he believes Nick isn't gay because he said he wasn't, and in the replies is arguing about women.
Vaush definitely could've benefited from being a bit calmer. Letting the opponent ramble and then calmly rebutting their arguments is the best way of debating from an optics perspective. He's come a long way from his sperg-out days, but I feel he still needs to excercise some restraint.
@@AlternateKek Are you the second guy? Cause it's ironic to say Vaush 'sperged' out when every other sentence from you began with "No no no! Oh my goooooooood pffff!"
I think he has a point though. Whoever is able to sort of set the frame for a conversation is always going to be the one having a better time. If he can get in a lot of more foundational premises that the other guy don't really agree with, and maybe some ad-homs too, then the other guy is playing catch-up while he is in command. Not saying that's wrong though, it is after all his platform. But if he was REALLY curious and had some good faith he would let his guest be the one to take issue with whatever he felt more pressing and then linger on that point until it was sorted out. That may be boring to listen to, but it's a more genuine conversation I think.
@@Kempshaw that'd be valid if the guy calling in actually raised a point, which he never did. If you compare it to Vaush's other discussions, at least the majority of them, he allows his guests to speak and elaborate. But both of the guests were too incoherent to make a point, which is the fault of their own retarded ideology, not vaush.
Whether or not Irish people are white depends on who you ask. Just like with Jewish people. There are nazis who are Irish, and there are nazis who think Irish are below white people.
Gotta go so ethnonationalist, you believe America should only have one ethnicity: American. Then abolish borders and make Earth an ethnostate for the human ethnicity.
No. As much as I love jazz, blues, and rap, they are, from a technical standpoint, far inferior than what you would consider “white” music. That being said, taste is opinion so “best,” is subjective, but on an objective standard, what you would consider “black people music,” is less musical than the alternative.
Pravda Vítězí Ya I don’t disagree agree with that, but when your trynna shoot someone down for saying American music is by white people, my statement was better.
@@coltonthedrummer Technical complexity has fuckall to do with how good or "musical" it is; technical complexity is not an objective measure of the quality of anything. This is also overlooks the incredibly complex work of various jazz artists like Mingus, Coltrane, Miles Davis, and a host of others. This is cultural chauvinism, whether you realize it or not.
The first guy who said he's not a big fan of the Jews, but says his mother's side is Jewish, if she was from a Jewish mother, then by Halakhah, he would be one.
I feel bad for the first guy, I feel like he got roped into all this Nazi shit without knowing any better. I hope he comes around, but considering how deep that rabbit hole goes I’m doubtful.
I love how offended the paleocon was about being called a NAZI only for him to start talking about conspiracies surrounding the Jew's killing Jesus like an hour into the convo
Yeah because saying Jews killing Jesus is unique to Nazis. I bet that you’d think a person who works at the gym and advocates for a healthy lifestyle and oppose fast food is Nazi. That’s how stupid you sound You’re the same people who whine about boomers calling everyone and everything socialism or liberals. How do you idiots not see the irony?
I am Australian and I can tell you the biggest irony of that guy is that he 100% sounds non-Anglo Australian, probably from Sydney. He sounds either Lebanese or Italian/Greek/Maltese background with his accent. So him defending white supremacy is another level.
nazi: *makes dumb statement* Vaush: *points out that the statement is incoherrent* nazi: *sighs and says oh my gaaawd over and over and cries about being misrepresented* Saved you 3 hours
@Default Name worm brain taking a 43 seconds clip out of context, hes saying both are form of child exploitation it would be hypocritical for him to refute one and accept the other
He keeps saying that it's boring but it makes for the most entertaining videos ever. It brings lots of views from both leftists and chuds while being extremely efficient at showing "apolitical centrists" in the audience how reactionary ideas crumble under the slightest amount of scrutiny.
@@whowereweagain I want to joke about how you're welcome to try and beat me with a stick and see how that goes for you going against the relevant martial arts experience I have, but honestly, you have legitimate issues. I say with without any drop of insult intended: seek professional help.
As a Gamer myself, I must say I am appalled at this language and thought we had progressed to a society in which me and my people did not have to worry about such hate and anger. I see the company you keep Vaush, the rise up will be a swift and cruel day for you and your ilk.
The fact that hanging out with a cat boy wearing cat ears for 10 hours and incurring people to post cat boy pictures on his discord isn’t gay to these subhumans is ineffably hypocritical and Amazin’
_"Yeahh sure, the Romans killed Jesus."_ Is that part of the JQ too or something? Or is it just this the 2nd dude's delusions? Also I'm sort of annoyed no-one called him out for his literal hand-wringing. _"oh-oh-oh my god duude D: i can't believe youd say that DDD:"_ He's practically strangling those pearls, dude. He's like that whiny bitch from the Simpsons. *"Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the paleoconservatives?!"*
@@JamesHPTS Ah, so he's from the distant past, I see... It doesn't surprise me at all though. People blame teh jeeeews for literally everything. There are probably some who are convinced that Jewish folk are the ones stealing their socks from the dryer before they open it up. ^^;
@@Nyanx4 well the ideology comes all the way up to pre-ww2 so it'snot that far back. He does call himself a "paleo"- conservative so he could go pretty far back
The first guy doing mental gymnastics so he can say that Fuentes going on a date with a cat boy wasn't gay is the best thing ever and all I need to be happy. "I saw horse cocks with lollysocks and I do kind of have a defense for that", yeah sure whatever kid, I don't care about that as much as I want to know what someone dose have to do to count as gay in his book.
I get so tired of this slightly schizophrenic way of thinking where they answer one point by jumping to the next slightly related talking point. And then because they've leapt from point to point never really comprehending a rebuttal they come away confused by the idea that they didn't defend anything. Vaush was right that the first guy backed down from every single claim he made, but because he did it by moving straight to the next one, he never confronted himself with that reality.
@@AlternateKek Take 37m in. You can go back a bit further for the context. It starts with this guy saying 6m Jews didn't die, and then he capitulates on that. Vaush outlines how these people actually hold the positions that are supposedly ironic, the guy capitulates on that. And then his response to this is "is that really a bad thing?". At no point does he actually attempt to address any of what's been said. It's just a shrug and on to the next thing.
The absolute mental gymnastics done on a regular (or lack thereof) to do this on a regular in some people in mind boggling. Like i jump from topic to topic cause thats how my brain works but goddamn do i circle around the main topic and milk it for all its worth (sometimes too much). On another note, Why is it normalized to say something, then another thing, and then act like the explanation that connected those two is already there without verbally explaining the actual connection between the two topics. Brain rotting. Even 3 years later and its exesperated in numbers. P.s. i scrolled to find the best comment and here it is. It really recognizes what i was tryna say but i couldnt find the words.
I’m moderately conservative and I really like this content. These people are sad. I really get sad when I see this type of anti-semitism and general white supremacy from the first guy. I think the second guy is just confused and got swindled by the Fuentes type of thinking
you should never say "you guys", they will always get triggered about it and it gives them a option to cry about you "lumping all right wingers together" and shit later in the debate
I can't go five feet without talking into a homosexual. I realize its a mal-mot and not something to criticize someone for, but it does conjure an interesting image.
"mal-mot", this is a funny thing to me as a French guy, as these are two French words put together in a way that doesn't make sense in French :) (I'm sure we also have that in French with English words)
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"I'm friends with real legitimate gay people"
Gay license acquired.
@@honest_bishop5905 degeneracy isnt real
DADAngelo I mean pedos and rapist exist, are they not degenerates.
Big Red I checked: They were actually counterfeit. Smh
But are they free range grass fed gays?
"I'm not gay but I kiss men so I can see women kiss" they're laughing at you chief.
@nerd Surfer because they desperately want to prove their manliness to others, that's why.
Tbh its pretty believable when he said he's not gay. Kissing a dude doesn't change that.
@nerd Surfer Because they get off to it
@@vallewabbel9690 really
@@vallewabbel9690 Is this unironic use of "it's not gay to blow your friend long as you say no homo"?
"If a whole bunch of white people started colonising Africa..."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Gotta use your imagination for that one
So very hard to imagine...
It would be better? Name one brown or black country that's doing as good or better than majority white countries?
Digital Bitch Slap imagine being this stupid
@mayrana2 yeah that's why I laughed at that comment
"I've hung out with real legitimate gay people." Clearly this makes you an expert on the subject.
Cuz that's how you talk about other people 👀
I'm an illegitimate gay person
@@ManiacalViolet I'm a legitimate gay person but I'm not real.
I am an illegitimate gay person! The state shall never recognize me, tremble before mee!
As opposed to fake and gay people
"I don't understand how dating a male escort might look gay."
Yes, sure you don't.
heteronormativity is hilarious to me. they're SO SCARED of being called gay because they can't just be individuals. they feel like if they become gay theyll become ONE OF THEM
"bro bro hear me out im not GAY or anything that's weird i just kissed him for these TWO HOT CHICKS ya know i didnt actually want to kiss the guy trust me I REALLY DIDNT OK I REALLY DIDNT WANNA KISS HIM YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME GUYS D;"
We're talking, like, 1000 IQ here. Too big brain for us
The sad thing is that dude is 100% at the very least bi-curious. You can hear it in his voice.
@@KronosKore You can't tell a person's sexuality by their vocal inflection that's an 87 IQ take
KronosKore Yeah, he sounded gay
I loved that both groypers felt inclined to start off both chats defending playdates with catboys. Like, this is the most important issue. The Catboy Question.
Because Fuentes is literally their lord and savior. Any slight into his character is a personal attack on them. The guy has literally built a cult of personality around himself.
@@kevinjohnanand Exactly, because lying about a person being a sex worker doesn't matter, spreading lies about Fuentes flying him over to America, and various other details doesn't amount to a cult of personality in itself. Vaush is a pathological liar at best, you're the one who is indoctrinated.
@Corvo@AZ lol k
@@Wilantonjakov the problem is despite Fuentes’s hatred of gay people, why is he (probably) fucking and flirting with guys?
@@Wilantonjakov Imagine defending an open and honest White Nationalist.
Clown behaviour.
"The IRISH question is real thing" hahahaha this is gold. Unironic hibernian question. You got to love it
Justin Gutierrez I prefer the Hibernian Hypotheses
@@HONEYBADGER222 that is better
33:15
🍀🍀🍀IRA🍀🍀🍀
That 1,000 year string of bad luck the Irish have had is just a front.
"I don't like jews but my mom is a jew."
I have some bad news for you son.
Exactly what I thought, by Halacha, he'd be a Jew if his mother was.
I was looking for this comment
You need to lose some serious weight
@@lamwam5065 copium
@@liamcampbell260 No the guy is literally overweight. That can lead to serious health problems
"lol, I probably am a bit of a Nazi I guess" 3min later: "maybe I shouldn't have my opinions be influence by random stuff I read online"
Wtf am I watching here?
You're watching de-radicalisation.
@@gamj7509 The first two both sound very young and not well informed(although I suppose that's ubiquitous with racists).
@@Aconitum_napellus Uhh, no. The older generation is much more racist.
@@buckobucko3938 he means that they’re ubiquitously uninformed shits
When Fuentes kissed the catboy, he technically kissed horsecock
Ahh that's hot. That's hot.
I'm well after the video uploaded, so I'll post this here.
There is a difference between paleoconservatism and Neo-Nazism; Almost all Nazis are paleocons, but not all paleocons are Nazis. Paleocons believe in moral traditionalism, tough immigration laws, protectionism, and isolationism. Nazis believe in these things, but add the attribution of Jewish influence to the societal issues they have a problem with. I guess you could say it's a square and rectangle thing.
@Socialist Sylveon fuck its been so long since ive heard this masterpiece, thank u
Shapeless basically
@Socialist Sylveon I knew it would be that song 😂😂😂😂😂
"Nick and myself are not for an ethnostate." "I want America to have a group of people that is dominant. Which are are the native Americans--- the European settlers--- it's not about color, it's more complicated than--"
What a Ron Weasly little liar, dude.
Heyyy Ron Weasley's too good for this guy
My ADHD brain can't comprehend how Vaush is able to have a cohorent debate and play a challenging videogame at the same time
Hes training his temperament in debates. The games and Nazis are just weighted clothes.
@@dvnmaycry That's actually pretty based.
@@dvnmaycry Yes. His training, is interesting to watch. The conversation I want to have is why, in this space and time, appearing to have no emotions is considered the ultimate achievement, the perfection of the debating craft?
I have a theory but I really wonder why that is.
Zona probably to disprove the “unhinged left” meme
The hardest Dark Souls (to me) no less as well
10:11 remember when Nick called Hunter Avalone a homosexual cause he wore female makeup to mock transgender people back when he was edgy?
@Yaboi LilDepresso yes, very glad that every day we get further away from that period.
@@davidgn40
Now he's just cringe and a BEYYTA
@@dillonblair6491 Hunter or Fuentes?
@@davidgn40 Fuentes but I think the original guy was joking.
Dude literally just today said that Washington DC is a great melting pot of evil because it has "BLM, homosexuals, politicians, rich liberal females" in it and that walking to it feels like walking into occupied territory if you are "a white male." But yea.. sure he's not a homophobic nazi or anything.
*"I'm not a nazi" and other funny stories you can tell your children until they get to old.*
@Sodomite Annihilator Why the projection?
@Sodomite Annihilator Because it's soooo much fun. No need to be shy, Hun. I know you want some sugar too. Xoxoxo
Sodomite Annihilator Being a bigoted piece of shit with a persecution complex isn’t normal.
Only at the 30 minute mark, but that guy reminded me of that Innuendo Studios video where at each level of descending into fascism you do think the people at the next level are just meming. Seems like he's not full on JQ yet, but that he has started to accept the JQ isn't just memes.
Ikr, like a really textbook example.
Onions have layers
@@AlternateKek I don't think you're a JQer but you are a Cookie Questioner. You said so yourself. Let me be clear that the _only_ reason I don't think you're a JQer is, you don't even know what the JQ _is._ You haven't evolved the capacity to understand the JQ. Therefore, you can't actually subscribe to it.
@@noname-zp1yh
Innuendo studios is a strawman of right wingers
@Caltrop
Define “fascism” without mentioning a specific race.
I'd honestly be more satisfied if the first dude just said he didn't like minorities.
So admitting he doesn't like white people in South Africa?
@@AlternateKek are you ? I like your obliviousness alot
@@soulburned6026 sure
Pretended to kiss
First kisses can make your nervous, but we all know he got it sloppy
If the balls don't touch it's not sexual.
@@AlternateKek well youre still a bunch of spineless and obnoxious bootlickers to us but hey at least we agree on porn so its cool.
Why does a pretend kiss somehow sound gayer?
“pretended”
"I'm not a fan of them, but my mom's side is a J"
Holy shit!!! 😂 This content is top tier
Self hating Jew KEKW
If your moms side is Jewish doesn't that mean that he at least grew up Jewish assuming that he converted
By Jewish law he's Jewish, lol
@@marcbrown382 no it means HE IS JEWISH
HE FELL FOR THE HIBERNIAN QUESTION! SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY HOPELESS OH NO!
@Baron Aaron we can only hope that in the future some of them can reflect on how stupid they were.
Wow, that first guy genuinely believes anything he hears uncritically. Thinking is hard, I bet.
I don’t understand how you can shrug off admitting to having a severely warped perception of reality and move on like it doesnt matter lmao
@@mothman4672 just be a lazy idiot nazi. it's easy.
Thumbnail : "I'm not a nazi"
Caller: *named alternative kek*
Strap in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride
@@AlternateKek malding
@@AlternateKek Why do guys like you always lie about what you believe?
Are you liying to appeal to normies or are you liying to yourself?
@@at5203 probably both.
I prefer strap on
Damn, he was here but now he's not. I was curious if anything has changed in these past 4 years for him?
IS IT WEIRD TO DO GAY STUFF?
that's the rhetorical magic I come to you for, Vaush
The way the first guy in response to being asked if he's a nazi just goes ''Maybe a liiiiiittle haha!'' is both hilarious and terrifying, HOW IS IT THIS FLIPPANT.
I genuinely think this is just the most criticism his beliefs had ever been challenged and he was kind of just giving them to Vaush for him to destroy. Kinda Socratic you know?
they said i didnt do debates anymore so we've got these and like eight others to release
watch my video game streams theyre fun
fuck you
*Sees "Nick Fuentes" in title*
Dislike bombing and ad hominems in the comments in 3, 2, 1...
A Ghost Without a Past usually takes a few hour
@depraved_saint I am a gay man, though I don't recall anything about eating gay.
You might have mistaken me for someone else.
Yes
"I'm a hundred percent okay with 6,000,000 dying!"
-That First Guy
I think he meant he agreed that it was a probable number, but at the same time...
@@angelbunny4922 i think we all know what he meant lol
"By your definition, I'M probably a homophobe"
"Is gay people adopting OK?"
"I mean it does make me kinda uncomfortable"
Gee dude
I wonder why the definition would include you, of all people.
Woew, first guy is redpilled on the irish question. Never thought I would witness a live one.
I think you mean green pilled
Paleoconservatism is in simplification:
Traditionalism.
I agree that the Chicago school is bad, Austrian all the way!
When your entire philosophy is: Thing old therefore good
@@leogorgone4414 No I agree with the Austrian school because time after time again the Keynesian idea of artificially stimulating the economy when it's not doing so great doesn't work!
Lowering interest rates is just going to create a bubble like how it has always done. In a functioning economy you need people to save their money and lowering interest rates is going to stop people from doing that. Encouraging people to just spend spend spend isn't how you achieve long term prosperity.
Leo Gorgone The philosophy works at creating the best possible society.
Perfect? No. But far better than standing for nothing but nihilism and decadence.
See how what you believe in, is not attainable?
That at some point, most people want to stand for something?
The easiest thing in life, is to say we should all have unlimited personal freedoms.
@@leogorgone4414 "new thing bad"
- tradcon
First guy seems to hate his family identity.
“proud liberal” lmao
Why don't they think for like a second they can't because they are uncomfortable that everything they have learned is wrong it makes them go into denial I used to be in that position.
Dude, please use punctuation. I had to read your comment 5 times to understand what you said.
@@adonizi Oh yeah the kill stream where there are 3 hosts to dogpile him don't make me cringe, Nick can't have a 1 on 1 cause he is a coward who can step outta his comfort zone.
@@adonizi One person being neutral doesn't mean anything to me when 2 others are not, besides why can't Nick 1 on 1 him if Nick is so confident he should have no problems doing it.
@@adonizi Why should they platform the debate on a neo-nazi stream?
@@adonizi But the Kill stream isn't neutral though you said one person was neutral outta 3 people that's not a neutral setting man, never heard of the other one though so I can't comment.
The first nazi: Hot Take
BigDaddyVaush: No
The first nazi: Yeah... You're probably right
@Sodomite Annihilator damn gotem
That first guy sounds more like a self hating gay as he kept going on.
That first guy. Boy does the mask slip quickly.
I learned that if you're losing a debate, simply chuckle while saying "Oh my god", and everything will be fine. Thanks second caller!
He probably learned it from Sargon
The Sargonian school of rhetoric is fine and well, it seems.
Destiny does that but he chuckles and then says "what were we even talking about" rather than "oh my god"
Don't forget the tried-and-tested method of bringing up your opponent's weakest debate!
@@dantealighieri8403 even better, you can bring up weakest debates from other people that "share" (although it is not that important truly or not) the opinion on the topic of the debate.
I'm not a Nazi but
whenever people discuss music black folks have developed, I'm sad that funk is never really brought up. I know it's an extension of rock music, but it truly is a black medium. Everytime someone is like "rock music is a white person thing" please just point them to Rick James, George Clinton, earth wind and fire, etc. also, it was one of the first times black people could express their sexuality, which is super cool. so it would be cool if that was brought up in a debate or something
Landon Kerouac jimmy hendrix too
All classic rock stems from black music too
Parliament Funkadelic some of my favorite music groups ever out of any genre and I listen to just about everything.
Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting
1:18:10 "mom, I'm debating! Get out!"
That shit was hilarious!
"honey dinner is ready" - "mom im destroying vaush"
I’m trying to promote racism mom!
@@edwuncleriii1922 It might have been on her part. I'm just saying it had that sort of energy. All he could get out, it seemed, was an annoyed "Debating!"
"I don't hate homosexuals, I'm fine with them. I live in illinois, I can't walk five feet without talking to a gay person."
"Ok, are you ok with two gay men adopting a child?"
"..."
I actually spit out my drink. Thanks for that .
They'll just have sex with the adoption papers!!
He does sound Illinoisian, as I grew up there but he must be describing Chicago.
Don't forget how he kept saying "homosexuals"
Man, that first guy. I've never heard someone endorse such extreme positions while pretending to be an open-minded, fence sitter.
I am okay with these dudes being uncomfortable... as much as possible.
Hope the first guy can get out his ideology! I’m ex-right wing too, would love to see him here. I’m sure all of Vaush’s supporters would love him as a comrade.
Ava Fox Women don’t have ideologies. You’re no communist and you were never a right winger.
Vastly Educated I can’t tell if this is satire or not lol
@@christie8493 he's not joking. He later made a comment that he believes Nick isn't gay because he said he wasn't, and in the replies is arguing about women.
Vastly Educated 🤖
@@wallstreetwoes431 criiiiingeeeee
viewer: argument
vaush: rebuttal
viewer: .......
viewer: argument
vaush: rebuttal
viewer: ...... you should've just let me finish
I really like Vaush he says the words that I like.
I mean it
Vaush definitely could've benefited from being a bit calmer. Letting the opponent ramble and then calmly rebutting their arguments is the best way of debating from an optics perspective. He's come a long way from his sperg-out days, but I feel he still needs to excercise some restraint.
@@AlternateKek Are you the second guy? Cause it's ironic to say Vaush 'sperged' out when every other sentence from you began with "No no no! Oh my goooooooood pffff!"
I feel like "debate" is a very charitable term. It's more like a schooling.
First kid is 14 at most. And suddenly nick’s audience seem a lot less intimidating
God nazis are so slippery. They can’t defend their points so it’s constantly a game of pivoting and misdirection. It’s SO FRUSTRATING.
@@AlternateKek hahaha
Fucking cowards. That's what they all are.
Vaush:
Second guy: woah WoAh WOAH *scoffs*
I think he has a point though. Whoever is able to sort of set the frame for a conversation is always going to be the one having a better time. If he can get in a lot of more foundational premises that the other guy don't really agree with, and maybe some ad-homs too, then the other guy is playing catch-up while he is in command. Not saying that's wrong though, it is after all his platform. But if he was REALLY curious and had some good faith he would let his guest be the one to take issue with whatever he felt more pressing and then linger on that point until it was sorted out. That may be boring to listen to, but it's a more genuine conversation I think.
@@Kempshaw that'd be valid if the guy calling in actually raised a point, which he never did. If you compare it to Vaush's other discussions, at least the majority of them, he allows his guests to speak and elaborate. But both of the guests were too incoherent to make a point, which is the fault of their own retarded ideology, not vaush.
Chris in what way is he correct he was wrong on every single point he made
@Chris What do you call people who believe the Jewish question and want a white ethnostate?
I really miss the honesty of the old neonazis. At least they were less exhausting to talk with than those liars here.
Its amazing how these people say so much and so little for so long without realizing
It's sad
The brain worms are so damn strong with these particular individuals, it’s like you can hear them wriggling around in there.
Brain worms only infect those with a brain. Those these people are brain worms free.
this dude is aware irish people are white right?
Whether or not Irish people are white depends on who you ask. Just like with Jewish people. There are nazis who are Irish, and there are nazis who think Irish are below white people.
Anyone white-passing is white. White is a made up concept that has changed continuously for centuries.
@@piedpiper6425 saying anyone white passing is white is a bit iffy there are plenty of poc that are "white passing" lol
@@matthew55793 i know historically that was believed because im irish myself but i didnt realise current nazis had a problem with irish people
Vaush as a progressive I may not agree with some of your positions but you are very good at dealing with these people. If I can even call them people
They are people, and forgetting they are makes it harder to recognize when fascist thought begins to creep in.
@@alejandrorivas4585 Well yeah but not the British one.
@@claires1063 It was an Australian.
@@TSmith-yy3cc yeah he kept saying naur
@@alejandrorivas4585It's nice seeing others give this reminder.
“I’m not an ethnonationalist I just think nations should only have one ethnicity”
Gotta go so ethnonationalist, you believe America should only have one ethnicity: American. Then abolish borders and make Earth an ethnostate for the human ethnicity.
*Vaush:* Why should I care about immigration
*Alt-right:* Where is my fainting couch!?
Incredible how simple-minded these people are
I'm not racist until you compare my beliefs and behaviors to other racists and that's not fair.
First caller sounds like he’s gonna realize he’s gay and call the catboy hotline about 5 minutes after the call.
Black people literally invented all of our best music
No. As much as I love jazz, blues, and rap, they are, from a technical standpoint, far inferior than what you would consider “white” music.
That being said, taste is opinion so “best,” is subjective, but on an objective standard, what you would consider “black people music,” is less musical than the alternative.
coltonthedrummer
White people have classical music that’s pretty much it.
I disagree, American music is a synthesis of Western European and African American music. Diversity is our strength.
Pravda Vítězí
Ya I don’t disagree agree with that, but when your trynna shoot someone down for saying American music is by white people, my statement was better.
@@coltonthedrummer Technical complexity has fuckall to do with how good or "musical" it is; technical complexity is not an objective measure of the quality of anything. This is also overlooks the incredibly complex work of various jazz artists like Mingus, Coltrane, Miles Davis, and a host of others. This is cultural chauvinism, whether you realize it or not.
At this rate Vaush will exclusively be doing gaming streams by the end of this year and contrary to my expectations I'm 100% okay with that.
I haven’t finished with the first guy, but unless he is being super crypto it feels like he is one step away from not being a nazi.
@Stephen Weir This.
This guy seems like a dumbass.
The first guy who said he's not a big fan of the Jews, but says his mother's side is Jewish, if she was from a Jewish mother, then by Halakhah, he would be one.
I feel bad for the first guy, I feel like he got roped into all this Nazi shit without knowing any better. I hope he comes around, but considering how deep that rabbit hole goes I’m doubtful.
Or maybe he isn’t a Nazi....
@@dutchmeyer2956 He said he's a little nazi lmao
“I’m not a big fan of them, but my moms side is a J”
Wait, but if your mom’s side is Jewish, doesn’t that make you Jewish?
I love how offended the paleocon was about being called a NAZI only for him to start talking about conspiracies surrounding the Jew's killing Jesus like an hour into the convo
Yeah because saying Jews killing Jesus is unique to Nazis. I bet that you’d think a person who works at the gym and advocates for a healthy lifestyle and oppose fast food is Nazi. That’s how stupid you sound
You’re the same people who whine about boomers calling everyone and everything socialism or liberals. How do you idiots not see the irony?
“You’re framing [holocaust denial] in a very negative way”
He managed to have me until asked about adoption and let it slip that he thinks gay people are more likely to be diddlers.
I feel like both of these guys could be converted away from the madness, but it’ll take years of stochastic rhetoric. I feel bad for them.
I really really dislike Dark Souls 2 and I can't imagine argueing with nazis simultaneously. Holy moly.
Dark Souls 2 has perfect combat and the SHITTIEST maps to fight in.
I am Australian and I can tell you the biggest irony of that guy is that he 100% sounds non-Anglo Australian, probably from Sydney. He sounds either Lebanese or Italian/Greek/Maltese background with his accent. So him defending white supremacy is another level.
The second guy?
nazi: *makes dumb statement*
Vaush: *points out that the statement is incoherrent*
nazi: *sighs and says oh my gaaawd over and over and cries about being misrepresented*
Saved you 3 hours
they've been doing this since JonTron on that Destiny debate haven't they
Netheir of them are nazis
fuentes blocked me when i @ted him with a quote tweet about catboys *pensive emoji*
@Default Name worm brain taking a 43 seconds clip out of context, hes saying both are form of child exploitation it would be hypocritical for him to refute one and accept the other
Vaush debating Nazis again, I'm ROCK HARD
SOAKING WET BABY
He keeps saying that it's boring but it makes for the most entertaining videos ever. It brings lots of views from both leftists and chuds while being extremely efficient at showing "apolitical centrists" in the audience how reactionary ideas crumble under the slightest amount of scrutiny.
I should really watch your gaming streams.
@@whowereweagain the fuck my guy
@@whowereweagain Gamers get the wall first tbh
@@whowereweagain I want to joke about how you're welcome to try and beat me with a stick and see how that goes for you going against the relevant martial arts experience I have, but honestly, you have legitimate issues.
I say with without any drop of insult intended: seek professional help.
@@whowereweagain Oh yeah you can beat me baby.
As a Gamer myself, I must say I am appalled at this language and thought we had progressed to a society in which me and my people did not have to worry about such hate and anger. I see the company you keep Vaush, the rise up will be a swift and cruel day for you and your ilk.
This dude sounds like he sniffs glue in his spare time.
Which dude, there were 3 of them in this video, you fucking eeediot
So he's more punk rock than you, at least.
The fact that hanging out with a cat boy wearing cat ears for 10 hours and incurring people to post cat boy pictures on his discord isn’t gay to these subhumans is ineffably hypocritical and Amazin’
And they're still performing the mental gymnastics. The endurance is real.
_"Yeahh sure, the Romans killed Jesus."_
Is that part of the JQ too or something? Or is it just this the 2nd dude's delusions?
Also I'm sort of annoyed no-one called him out for his literal hand-wringing.
_"oh-oh-oh my god duude D: i can't believe youd say that DDD:"_
He's practically strangling those pearls, dude. He's like that whiny bitch from the Simpsons. *"Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the paleoconservatives?!"*
@@JamesHPTS Ah, so he's from the distant past, I see...
It doesn't surprise me at all though. People blame teh jeeeews for literally everything.
There are probably some who are convinced that Jewish folk are the ones stealing their socks from the dryer before they open it up. ^^;
@@Nyanx4 well the ideology comes all the way up to pre-ww2 so it'snot that far back. He does call himself a "paleo"- conservative so he could go pretty far back
@@JamesHPTS I'm trying to think of a Cambrian-explosion-themed Jewish replacement theory joke, but unfortunately my brain doesn't work that way.
@@Nyanx4 something about jews and shellfish maybe?
The first guy doing mental gymnastics so he can say that Fuentes going on a date with a cat boy wasn't gay is the best thing ever and all I need to be happy. "I saw horse cocks with lollysocks and I do kind of have a defense for that", yeah sure whatever kid, I don't care about that as much as I want to know what someone dose have to do to count as gay in his book.
I think the first guy genuinely believes he's coherent. It's so sad.
Nazis always be like " why do you think the sky is blue ... necessarily ?".....
It's like... duh wtf do u want me to say?
I've been craving Vaush's debate juice for a while, my thirst has finally been quenched
The second guy was definitely an Australian from a non-white ethnic background. The accent is very destinctive.
I get so tired of this slightly schizophrenic way of thinking where they answer one point by jumping to the next slightly related talking point. And then because they've leapt from point to point never really comprehending a rebuttal they come away confused by the idea that they didn't defend anything. Vaush was right that the first guy backed down from every single claim he made, but because he did it by moving straight to the next one, he never confronted himself with that reality.
@@AlternateKek Not really though.
@@AlternateKek Take 37m in. You can go back a bit further for the context. It starts with this guy saying 6m Jews didn't die, and then he capitulates on that. Vaush outlines how these people actually hold the positions that are supposedly ironic, the guy capitulates on that. And then his response to this is "is that really a bad thing?". At no point does he actually attempt to address any of what's been said. It's just a shrug and on to the next thing.
The absolute mental gymnastics done on a regular (or lack thereof) to do this on a regular in some people in mind boggling. Like i jump from topic to topic cause thats how my brain works but goddamn do i circle around the main topic and milk it for all its worth (sometimes too much). On another note, Why is it normalized to say something, then another thing, and then act like the explanation that connected those two is already there without verbally explaining the actual connection between the two topics. Brain rotting. Even 3 years later and its exesperated in numbers.
P.s. i scrolled to find the best comment and here it is. It really recognizes what i was tryna say but i couldnt find the words.
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59:50 I’m not a race realist but
Nobody:
British Nazis when you point out a flaw in their argument: "OUH MUY GAWDDDD"
>Paleoconservatism: Christian fascism
>Naziism: secular fascism
What a distinction!
I’m moderately conservative and I really like this content. These people are sad. I really get sad when I see this type of anti-semitism and general white supremacy from the first guy. I think the second guy is just confused and got swindled by the Fuentes type of thinking
you should never say "you guys", they will always get triggered about it and it gives them a option to cry about you "lumping all right wingers together" and shit later in the debate
@@AlternateKek Love the desperate damage control. Keep it up!
3:21 isn’t this a scene from American Pie lmaoooo
Yeah lmao he probably just watched that scene and thought "god I wish that were me"
Kylee M yes lol
The second guy was so whiny , what a painful conversation to listen to jesus.
I just started so maybe they cover this... he has no problem with vaush constantly calling nick a nazi.
But GAY!!?!?!?!!
14:00. Guest starts making country-style twisted pretzels of himself.
second guy really based all of his arguments on nick's videos and nothing else, pleeeaseee
"Let's talk about your perspective, not Nick's"
*5 seconds later*
"Do you think Nick Fuentes is a white supremacist?"
1:00:00.
I actually think these conversations are VERY important. Knowing these factional splits within the right helps us keep them... well... split.
The difference between Christian fascism and secular fascism is basically meaningless.
Except they will always fall in line. Divide and conquer doesn't work if the factions consistently unite.
The amount of goal post moving by caller 1 is just insane
Those barrel dudes were super adorable.
STOP KILLING THEM THEY INNOCENT!
i dont understand how he is playing one of the hardest games out there while debating. My ADHD brain could never
I cant get over the lip smacking. Is he eating a lemon? Or is the reality of his opinions too bitter?
God yeah, that was almost as unpleasant in my ears as his racism
I can't go five feet without talking into a homosexual.
I realize its a mal-mot and not something to criticize someone for, but it does conjure an interesting image.
"mal-mot", this is a funny thing to me as a French guy, as these are two French words put together in a way that doesn't make sense in French :) (I'm sure we also have that in French with English words)