Don’t caveman your Magpul AMags (or Legion mags!) on a P320, lest you bend the ejector!
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2024
- Spotted one of the new A-Mags on the shelf at my local gun store while my friend was there buying a 1301. I have a P320, I've been curious about these A Mags, and I had some cash to spare and figured it was worth experimenting with, so here's some of my personal observations. Part 4 of 4
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So your saying stick with Glock…. Gotcha
That’s certainly one workable solution!
@@ConcealedLiberal don’t get me wrong I like sig, just not their pistols. It’s all about being personally comfortable and confident with whatever tool you have. Great video tho man, I hadn’t even heard of this
It’s definitely a niche issue that not everyone has - I don’t slam my reloads home from orbit, and I’m using components and mags Sig designed to work together, so it’s largely a non-issue for me. On the other hand, I know someone who crashed and burned at a match because they unga their ejector so hard during their reloads that it effectively locked up their slide.
@@ConcealedLiberal I’m a stickler for factory parts on my pistols…. It just feels more solid in my mind…. But I’ve never had any issue so we know the proof is in the pudding
@@dieselt7808are you dumb? That’s like saying I like air just not breathing it 😂
Wish I saw this before now 😅 I've been slapping the hell out of it
You can field strip the pistol to check the ejector. If you’ve mostly been slamming the mag home on a closed slide it should be okay, as the top bullet compressing against the bottom of the slide cushions things as well. Just be careful with a locked back slide!
thanks man you just made my love hate relationship with the 320 even worse😂
More I see sigs the more I want one less I ain’t never had any of these issues on Glock canik or even taurus
Almost any modern pistol with the same mismatch of magazine baseplate and grip will experience the same issue. The difference is that 1) Sig makes it easy to mismatch the P320's grip-length and magazine baseplate, and 2) on most other pistols (including Sig's classic DA/SA line like the P226), the ejector is a discrete, replaceable part, and easily swapped if bent. Not so with the P320 specifically.
@@ConcealedLiberal bottom line my pistol shouldn't destroy itself every time I reload. Also I imagine if the slide is forward, the first round in the mag should keep the magazine from hitting the ejector, no?
Agreed, and yes, I share your assessment that loading a mag on a closed slide is likely a-okay due to the top round compressing against the bottom of the slide.
Worse yet, the ejector is a piece of the FCU's body, which means you'll be bending or welding an ejector in place if the old one gets bent/broken.
Precisely! No idea why they made it integral to the FCU, as opposed to keeping the standard 2-pin replaceable ejector used by virtually everything else (including their own classic pistols!).
I'm surprised magpul didn't figure this out. I hope they take note and correct this
Thank you for warning me of potential damage to my injector! SIG really should have built a rejector/deflector instead of the dejector/extractor seen here on this P320.
They know about this, they're just going to release a Gen2 so they can cash in twice.
That's a super poor design
The sig 15 round and 10 round mag is the same as the magpul. So what are you talking about?
Don’t tell me what to do, you’re not my dad.
Let’s not be too hasty, is your mom single and looking? 👀
Do they not know how people use things? I mean I could understand if they say don't slam the mag.. but who hasn't given a tap now and again?
Yeah, Magpul is clearly not accustomed to working outside the Glock footprint, because they don’t fully understand the reasons behind Sig’s weird mag baseplate design.
It’s not Sigs fault, it’s a design flaw by Magpul.
I agree; while I think Sig made a weird / bad choice in ejector design, they do also include measures to mitigate the possibility of damage… which Magpul has not yet emulated.
I mean the extractor is part of the serialized part which is pretty stupid
What a good time to be a glock guy
I own a few sex, but much like many other manufacturers sig firearms with hammers are good their strikers not so much.
Thank you very much for pointing out that they're injector is part of their magazine stop.
That is probably one of the worst designs, and just another reason why I will never accept the 3:20 even if it's free
Yeah, the integrated ejector design is a significant weakness of the P320. Even Sig knows this, they significantly beefed up the ejector on the P365 FCU.
@@ConcealedLiberal beefing it up, they need to ditch that whole design.
The P365 ejector I’m not very concerned with, as it seems to be a solid milled piece entirely supported on two whole sides as opposed to a bent stamping hanging in the middle of the mag well. Nonetheless, I do agree, ejectors are a minor but important wear part that should be user-replacable with basic hand tools.
Seems like a big design oversight on sigs part, however it’s probably only meant to take oem magazines so it’s more of an oversight on magpul.
I'm not totally convinced this is an issue. The steel stopping the magazine is probably incredibly strong compared to spring loaded bullets hitting it.
You got a dirty breech bro. 😂
Ain’t none of my guns inspection ready!
So no tap and rack? Probably not a good mag to use aside for training at best.
Tapping while the slide is forward and the mag is loaded is probably fine? The top round compresses a bit against a closed slide, so it should cushion things a little. I think it’s slamming the mag home on a locked-back slide that’ll pose the most threat of damage to the ejector.
I sent my axg to sig twice for this. I still have less than 100 rounds on the gun... they told me it was normal. Mine catches the inside of the ejector everytime and the mag falls out if i attempt to fire a round while over inserted every time... do i need to switch to these mags? Personally i dont want the extension. Do they make a more flush baseplate?
Yikes, could Magpul have not found any other way to stop over-travel? Also, the baseplates look super out of place on the P320, look they were taken right of a glock pmag, if I'm correct? Should have just designed a normal looking baseplate and this wouldn't be an issue
Pretty much every pistol magazine uses their baseplate to prevent overtravel, Magpul just seems to have done what you're suggesting and reused their Glock baseplate (and misjudged the dimensions slightly) rather than considering why Sig designed that weird sloping interface into their baseplates to match the magwell flare.
Does anyone have any info on this actually happening.... as far as bending, breaking, etc... i hear it quite a bit but have yet to find any evidence of it happening...
Im generally curious because i have plates that have 1/8" gap... i just cant find anytime this has happened.
Factory mags the way to go. Even if the factory mags aren't budget friendly.
For the time being, yes. Hopefully Magpul improves their baseplate design because I certainly wish there was a viable alternative to $50 a pop.
So, it doesn’t even get close to touching. You’ll have to destroy the mag release for it to connect….
Sounds like a shortsighted design aspect that didn’t account for the lowest common denominator 😂
It's the result of pursuing modularity without thinking about what potential complications it can cause by allowing people to mess up the combo of grip and magazine baseplate. Clearly, they presumed folks would match the proper size baseplate to the proper size grip, but I think that's giving folks (and grip manufacturers) too much credit.
@@ConcealedLiberal always pays to consider the lowest common denominator 🤫😂
@ConcealedLiberal So they literally believed that absolutely NO ONE would carry a full size reload mag while they had a compact frame?
Even the factory mag you demonstrated will possibly damage the ejector when using a compact grip frame...Glock 17 mags don't seem to damage my 19.
It begs the question, what other short sighted assumptions the 320 design team make? I REALLY wanted to get on board with Team P320, but SIG keeps making that impossible.
The real sin was integrating the ejector into the FCU stamping as opposed to using a traditional separate ejector that could be replaced by punching out two pins.
@@robertlemaster7525Sig includes all those spacers with new mags for a reason. It's just that there's too many mags out there for each one to get a spacer unless you know about this problem.
Does this mean replacing baseplates on sig mags could have the same effect? I just got tti baseplates for competition. Wondering if that’s a bad idea now
I'm not personally familiar with the TTI baseplates, but if they do not positively interface with your grip module like the Sig ones do, then yes, those mags could also potentially bend the ejector if you use excessive force while loading on a locked-back slide. If the slide is forward it should be fine, since the top round compressing against the bottom of the slide will probably absorb much of the impact.
Sounds like a shitty design to make your mag stop something that can be bent and render your gun useless
It's absolutely a design flaw in the P320, and even Sig seems to know this - for the P365, the ejector is moderately redesigned - it's beefed up and solidly supported by the rest of the FCU as opposed to hanging out unsupported in mid-air like on the P320.
Looking at predecessor pistols, actually, the ejector being in the path of the magazine and being damaged if the magazine is overinserted is not an unusual "feature". The P226 and the Hi Power both share this trait, with the difference being that you can replace the ejector of both those pistols by punching a pin or two. All three pistols (and the P365) rely on the baseplate of the magazine to prevent overinsertion damage.
Where pistols of pretty much any make get into trouble is when there's a mismatch between the magazine baseplate and the bottom of the grip, allowing the magazine to be rammed up into the ejector.
Good thing i use a ppq
Solid choice. Strangely I don't think I've ever seen a Walther at the competitions I shoot, or if I have, it was a one-off that I can't remember. Mostly Glocks, Sigs, CZs, and 2011's, with the exact mix depending on which specific competition I'm at.
@@ConcealedLiberal that is interesting because I would feel comfortable shooting at competition with the stock trigger. you should give her a squeeze next time you see one on display. the break is in _just_ the right place and its like a ~5lbs break stock
Walther also has this problem, use the 15 round mags in the sub compact without a sleeve and you will actually start damaging the bottom of the slide.
So sig made their mag work with their gun and a secondary company messed it up so blame sig right guys 😂 sigs are great this a magpull problem
Thx
Sweet, a gun that fires via bluetooth and you also have to treat it like a pillow princess that cant handle a firm slap on the ass like every other pistol is supposed to.
For all the shit talking i hear from sig owners about glocks, if nothing else i can take a mag for my glock slam it in the magwell as hard as i want to or even grab the barrel and use it like a hammer to get the mag seated.
Not a sig hater but their 320 line just keeps getting worse in my eyes, ill still with their 226.
P226 has the same problem lol. It's just fixable by the user.
Yeah its simple to replace by the way ...lol not any harder at all ..really easier with 320 being made with a fcu..who would thought a guy called liberal in his name ,would say something silly about guns
When attempting to dunk on someone, it works better when you don’t score an own goal. I’ll wait for the embarrassment to hit 😂
why would you make the mag stop and the ejector the same component ?
It’s pretty standard practice across all handguns. Classic Sigs do it, Glock does it, the venerable Hi Power does it… the difference is that on most pistols, the ejector is a tiny piece of stamped sheet metal that can be replaced by punching out a pin or two. Not so on the P320.
@@ConcealedLiberal Glock’s ejector is not the over-insertion stop. Glock’s over-insertion stop is molded into the magwell of the gun and interfaces with a shelf on the magazine itself.
You’re totally right, MacaroniDemon, thank you for the correction!
Guess what doesn't have those problems 1911's and 2011's 3 WORLD WAR's Possibly 4 or 5 lol.
That's a horrible design by sig not going to lie.
Stick to factory mags...
As our bank accounts openly weep… But yes. I really hope Magpul improves the baseplate design (and fixes the ridiculous oversprung spring) because Sig is way too proud of their mag pricing.
The upstop is the floorplate not the ejector. This is a mag problem not a gun problem.
Exactly!
What is the solution though? I have the same issue on mine.. replace mags?
Oredshirt969 Make sure your mags (and specifically their baseplate) are properly matched to the grip module you are using. If they are properly matched, the baseplate and grip will absorb most of the force. If they are not matched, it all goes into the ejector instead.
@@ConcealedLiberal ive been looking at that. In particular the axg I have is the walnut(ain't it pretty?), im worried about grip stress. I have looked at possibly 3d printing or even making a mold for plates. Using flush steel in a eurethane sleeve that is more pronounced im thinking will give me the performance im looking for...
what idiot designs a gun without an over-insertion stop? oh yea, Sig Sauer USA does. Glocks have an insertion stop moulded into the frame and the magazine, so there is literally no way to over insert a mag no matter how long it is, or worry about what baseplate you have on. Everything about the P320 is mediocre
obvious design flaw
That is a very dumb design on Sigs part.
Lol what? Thats not the injector. The injector is located on the slide. Go on, make a video and show the underside of the slide. I own an M18 and while somewhat different, the injector is still the same.
Even *if* this video were accurate, Magpul needs to be informed and they need to redesign their floor plate. However, it's not an issue because thats not the injector. It's a guide that the pistol would still function correctly without. Though you may extremely rarely see a round not feed straight. If it bends slightly, just tap it back.
What is it with people insisting they authoritatively know how the P320 works and then just outright inventing parts out of whole cloth? Please, do show me how the P320 has an “injector”.
And yes, my /entire point/ is that Magpul messed up by not using a proper magazine floorplate design for the way most pistols are designed to prevent overinsertion. And that on the P320 in particular, this is a worse issue than on most other pistols because you can’t easily replace the /ejector/, only bend it back into place (thus further fatiguing this part of the serialized FCU).
@@ConcealedLiberal my bad, you called it the EJECTOR which is even worse. That's not even in the same universe as what it is. I thought you said injector which while not the proper term, I understood the function implied. You really want to argue about those semantics?
It's not an ejector either (extractor since apparently semantics rule here) not even remotely close to it's function. The magazine base and the magazine release act as the magazine stop. That piece is simply a guide which most of the time isn't necessary.
I get it, the poorly designed magazine could potentially bend it. You're wildly overstating the severity of the issue though by claiming it's a far more important part than it is.
@ericalbers4867 I’m really curious, how exactly do you think chambered cartridges and casings are kicked out of the pistol when they are pulled back by the extractor and slide?
Injector? Is this a gas powered gun? 😂
You're so completely wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
Sig even calls it the ejector on their parts sheet.
@@ericalbers4867You call parts the extremely wrong thing and then complain about "semantics".
You just plain don't know what you're talking about and that is all there is to this. Keep replying and giving engagement to this channel please. I'd love to see what else you get wrong 😂
so FN509C is better got it